New Attitude - Klein Gravel Conversion Part 3/3
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2020
- Welcome to the third and final episode of the Klein gravel conversion. In this episode we fit all remaining parts, unbox and fit some new parts that we hope will solve the existing chainset issue, and test ride the bike on some great local tracks here in Dorset.
There could be one rather large change in the bikes setup that will finally see the build completed to a great specification.
Join me on this bikes final journey to completion - its going to be great!
If you like what you see then please like the video and subscribe to the channel.
Thanks for watching! - Sport
I really enjoyed this series. Last summer I built up an old-school Rocky Mountain Hammer Race as a gravel bike. I couldn't use 650B wheels because the frame only had V-brake mounts but already had a nice set of 26 inch wheels hanging in the garage doing nothing. Spyre disk brake on the front with cheap V-brake compatible levers. 11-speed bar end shifters and XT cranks. I got luckier than you and had to buy fewer parts and encountered fewer issues, but there's really no better way of learning about bikes than working on these transformations. And the bike is great with wide tyres.
Thanks ever so much for your comment - its great to now others have enjoyed the series! Is also great to hear about other people's projects as well. I am glad to hear that you managed to put a great bike together for a good price, and also by reusing where possible! I have always tinkered, repaired and serviced my own bikes but this one was a learning curve as you have seen. Just for your information I may well have a very exciting update to this story coming in the near future - make sure to subscribe to hear more about it when it happens! Take care, and happy cycling!
well done,
I change my Klein Pulse in a City bike with disc brakes and 1x12 gears and 27,5 wheels.
Awesome I bet that looked great, 12sp must be nice. Thanks for the comment. Take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
Very cool. I have been a Klein enthusiast and collector for over 25 years. I really enjoyed this build. I Worked in a bike shop in the early 90s that sold Klein’s. I also owned a 98 Attitude BITD. Well done.
Thanks for the great comments! Really glad you enjoyed the build. Keep any eye out for the next ptojects.!
I would probably paint the areas that are raw aluminum. Otherwise nicely done. Reusing old bikes is fantastic.
Thanks for the comment! Take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
What a brilliant series of videos. Absolutely loved watching you build this bike. I am about to embark of a similar build with a Klein Attitude Race frame. Not necessarily a gravel bike, but a resto mod mountain bike. Old-school looks with modern components. 😉👌
@Jac Davis I am so glad you enjoyed the series. I really hope it will prove of use when putting yours together. I would love to see some pics of your efforts, and maybe some background to your story with the bike. If you feel you could send pics and info in that you don't mind sharing with everybody then that would be great. If so then join us on our brand new Facebook page (search time for bikes on Facebook) and post something up, or send to timeforbikes@aol.com . Thanks for getting in touch and the best of luck with your new project 👍
Awesome job!, looks great, glad to see you not giving up when problems arrived. I own 2 Attitudes 91 pre 01 post Trek, thanks for the history lesson & for sharing the build.
Thanks for commenting. Nice to hear about your bikes. I would love to own a early attitude as I have never even had the chance to ride one and they really are a bit of cycling history for me. This bike still climbs very well and I really have fallen in love with it. It's my go-to bike for almost everything. Hope you have subscribed as there could well be some more builds and rides that may interest you in the future. Take care and happy cycling!
Thanks for the video. I came across this by chance which was fate because I am just embarking on converting my Klein Fervour into a gravel bike! Thank you for saving me a few headaches along the way :)
So glad I this build could help you Joe. and the best of luck with your build. Would be great to see the pics when your finished.
great job. love the result.
Thanks, it really is an awesome bike that's a real pleasure to own. Thanks for commenting and happy cycling :-)
that's so nice! such an interesting insight into how you built it too. Im going to try and do something similar with either a Klein or Cannondale frame. Thanks for the Inspo
Thanks Jake! Always great to get such nice comments. For me a Klein was like a mythical beast when I was racing MTB at the age of 15 or 16 - I always loved and wanted one. The inspiration was there for such a long time that getting this bike sorted such fun. I still aspire to owning an early Klein but the price is so high I question if I will ever have the chance. Please update us on your progress, I can highly recommend a Klein frame , they handle and climb like no other. Take care and happy cycling!
Great video!
Thanks for the kind comment, glad you enjoyed it. Take care and happy cycling
The bike looks amazing, you've done a great job 👌
Thanks for you comment Andrew, it really is a nice bike now. Lots of messing around but a great way to turn retro into bang up to date modern. Take care and happy cycling 😊
@@timeforbikes glad it rides well too. I want to do something similar, just looking for the right frame to bring back to life!
There are some great retro frames just begging to be rebuilt again..keep search and I am sure you will find just what you want.
Great stuff really enjoyed all 3 parts 👌👌👌👌👌👌
Glad you liked the outcome, thanks for watching. Just about to finish up a nice restoration project on here - nice twist to the final program that will be posted in the the next week or two. Cheers
@@timeforbikes Sounds great👌.
Quite a lot of $$ spent on an old bike but this bike build deserved it. Great job!
Thanks for you comment J P. It really has turned out to be a great bike. The spend was fairly high but I fully agree that it was well worth it. Another epic build will be posted in the next few days - so looking forward to introducing that to the world. Keep your eyes open for it! Take care and happy cycling!
Nice build. I did a gravel conversion of an old steel Reynolds 853 tubing Rocky Mountain Blizzard and it's amazing especially with 650b 2.35 inch tires
Looks like a great bike to convert. These older MTB frames are great as a starting block to build up the perfect gravel bike. I still get some butterflies when I take a quick glance at my Klein when clean. Still enjoying this bike over a year on. Would be great to see a pic of your conversion if you have time - find us on Facebook if you can. You can always send a message with a pic on it - no worries if you can't though. Take care and happy cycling! 🙂👍
Hermosa Klein🤘
Y muy buen lugar 🚴💥
Gracias! Es una bicicleta preciosa. Gracias por comentar. Cuídate y feliz ciclismo :)
Really enjoyable to see this conversion series! I came across it as I recently dusted off my 1998 Klein Mantra Comp (in Blastberry Chameleon) with the intention to finally sell it after 23 years of ownership. But when I cleaned it and looked it again in detail it struck me that I still love this unique bike, and that it's actually worthy of a good refreshment. So I've decided to give it some fresh tyres and some other bits and bobs and use it as a "vintage" do-it-all bike around town and some light gravelling. These Kleins are truly unique bikes that need to be cherished. Your videos are a great source of inspiration to get it back to old glory again and ride.....
Wow, thanks very much for such kind words. I would love to see a picture of your Klein - do you think you could go to the brand new Time For Bikes Facebook page and paste it up there? just search for 'timeforbikes' in Facebook and you should find it OK - also follow/like the page as I will be posting new a new Klein based project there soon!!! If you cant for any reason then no worries at all. These bikes are great old things and I really love the fact that so many people have taken inspiration to dust off their old bikes and put them to use. Enjoy the old/new bike, take care and happy cycling!
@@timeforbikes Well...I'm probably the only guy in the world that's not on Facebook. But I'll be happy to share some pictures with you directly via mail or Instagram if that works? Probably ready to share in 2 weeks or so.
@@adrivdw7093 just reply to this when ypur ready with pics and we will sort something out. I will post them up on your behalf. Thanks again!
@@timeforbikes Hi, I am awaiting two more finishing parts but can send you some teasers already. What would be the best way to do that? Best, Adri
@@adrivdw7093 Cool, please send to timeforbikes@aol.com
This was definitely worth all the effort - BRAVO!! (I think we both spend a lot of time in the Bike Cave with our KLEIN :-)
Thank @Velofil! It was a great build and is such a nice bike to ride. What Klein do you have, would be great to know more.
@@timeforbikes please check my latest video, it's a Klein Quantum.
Great videos, amazing build. We were in touch on email but I lost it somewhere, sorry about that. My build in my logo now. Inspired by your conversion. Let me know if you have questions
Would be great to hear from you and see some more pictures that I maybe haven't seen. Get in touch at timeforbikes@aol.com .
Damn good job man I thought that was a lil mouse sleeping under your tire lol
Thanks for the great comments, and I am fairly sure there are no mice anywhere to be seen. Take care and happy cycling :)
Hi Darren, I am totally inspired by your Klein Gravel Conversion videos. Thank you very much for your abundance mentality in sharing your heart work. I really wish I saw them much earlier and scrutinize them harder. Wasted hard-earned cash on some parts that didn't fit. I am currently building a 1999 Attitude into a gravel bike as well and bought a 48T chainring for a mt610 crank with similar q-factor and chainline to the XT crank you are using. Can you advise me on the largest chainring size to use without adding more extra spacers than required? I am using a BB-MT800 (deore XT). Following, I will work on the rear calipers. Bought the a2z adaptor for the rear caliper. No use.
Thanks for the brilliant comment! They really ride lovely as a gravel bike and I am sure you will not be disappointed when it's finished. So I can not really advise on the chainring size, I only ever used a 40 tooth - sorry. I would say that with the 40t it is tight. There is about 2.5mm clearance. I have no spacers on the BB on the drive side though, just one spacer on the pedal arm side. I suppose you could add a spacer on the drive side if needed but the chain line may be a little stretched one way. On the case of the caliper I was told that the a2z adapter may well work if you use a bigger rotor as it gives the caliper more clearance - I think you would need to find the right kind of caliper for this to work aswell. This is untested by me though so don't splash out on the kit unless you may have the ability to test it out before buying. Personally I am way happier doing what I did as if you have the time and a tiny amount of skill then the way I described in the video worked very well. Anyway, best of luck! Post me a picture of your bike on my Facebook site if you have chance - search up timeforbikes and you should find me there. Take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
Garbaruk is actually Ukraine based. Very cool video series, though. Thanks for putting this up.
Thanks for the kind words and also for updating the info on Garbaruk! Their products are great. :) There will be another Klein special coming in the near future so keep your eyes peeled.
@@timeforbikes Cool, looking forward to it.
@@timeforbikes By the way, I responded to your entry in the Klein Owners FB group. The Adroit Pro depicted there is mine.
Hi Darren
In an auction I bought a 2007 Klein Attitude to convert in a fitness bike. Then on CZcams I stumbled over your project. Switching into a 650B Graveller is much much more spectacular, I'll also try. What I have to find is the right rigid fork (can also be new. If you have hints...). What hopefully makes it more easy is: There are already Shimano Disc Breaks on it :-) I guess many things on it are more Trek than Klein.
And: I love the Hunt Wheels too. Could you tell me the exact model?
Thanks for sharing the whole way up to this really nice custom bike!
Very interesting, You're a magician.
Greets Chris
Thanks for all the great comments :) So the forks is a bit of an oddity. If you read up about it then some say the proper axle to crown length is as high as 470mm as you have to consider that the geometry of these bikes accounted for a 70mm suspension fork. The ones I have are about 415mm to 420mm and I feel that is adequate for this bike, but I am sure other may have something to say about that. Fork choice could be an expensive one for the build if your not careful. I have some Cannondale forks that would fit your build with a disc brake only fitting and that will take upto a 700c wheel with plenty of clarence. They are not the lightest but if I don't need them for my next project then I will let you know and you may be able to buy these. They were hard to find but keep your eye on eBay. The ones I used were made by Mosso, but these seem to have all but disappeared now. The hunt wheels are lovely. The model is 650b Adventure Sport, they come tubeless ready. I hope that help? Best of luck with the build, stay safe and happy cycling 😁👍
@@timeforbikes Dear Darren, I tore everything off and changed the plan :-) I own some 28" HED Ardennes I'd like to bring in the game. Now I even look for a 29" rigid fork with disc and quick release - not the simplest search but there are some around. I'll le you know how it proceeds :-) or not then... Greets and happy bike too! Chris
@@4stroke4string wow, sounds interesting. Keep me posted on your progress for sure! Would love to see some pictures as well! Best of luck!
@@timeforbikes Dear Darren, I had to see it by myself and it didin't work as you explained at my 73mm crank case :-)
- GRX 2x11: the crank arms touched the chain the chain, Spacers looked good first but the crank arm on the other side fell off :-)
Well, I guess I also try with a XT M8000 1x11, Hollowtech crank (no boost standard?) and an news hollowtech bottom bracket XTR BB93 (BSA)...
Could you be so really nice and tell me, what chainring (Garbaruk) you mounted? I didn't understand
Some more problems occurred :-)
I want to bring in some HED wheels with shimano 2x11 Hub
An I really have no idea what brake and shift leves will do the job :-)
But that's another stiry :-)))
Thx and greets from Switzerland
Chris
@@4stroke4string I am certain that the M8000 was standard, and also the chainring is easy to order from Garbaruk, just search for a ring that is made for the M8000 crank. Not sure I can help with the wheels, if your using disc brakes then I have heard people say that normal brakes/shifters may not pull on the discs all that well. I have not found this to be the case with the combo on this bike. I hope this helps a little more? Take care, Darren
Have u try to mount 30mm spindle crank on Klein Attitude
Sorry, no I haven't. Thanks for commenting, take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
Since finishing it whats something you've changed Over time that you would've done differently? I im building the same frame still working on getting all my parts ordered (haven't decided on what drivetrain to use
A really good question. The biggest problem has been the frame size. An XL is too big for me as a gravel bike. As an MTB it could work but it's still quite big. I have an Adroit frame of a very similar era that is a large and is excellent as an MTB, but once again as a gravel bike it could still be a little too big. As for components, I would say hydraulic disc brakes would be an excellent addition. Everything else has been great! Best of luck with the build, I bet you will love it. Take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
@@timeforbikes my frame is m/l and I was thinking the same thing, I thought about shorter stem and adjusting the seat forward, how many gears did you end up going with the 1x11?
@@eduardoluis9915 yeah, 1 x 11. Worked well. I did put a shorter stem on following the filming once I had time to really try it out over a longer distance.
Nice build! I would like to ask you if any shimano (or Sram) MTB crankset will work as well as XT tour used. The problem with GRX is the chain line?
Thanks for the comment. The main problem is the q factor with this frame. A mtb frame like this is wide at the point on the chain stays where the crank arms pass closely. This is due to the need of the frame to accommodate a wider tyre. MTB chainsets allow for this but gravel chainsets may not, and I suspect in most if not all cases would not leading to the pedal arm and crank arms to pass too close to.the MTB frame and snag upon it. If you have not watched all.the episodes of this build the have a look again as I explain it all.there. hope this helps. Take care and happy cycling 🙂👍
Thanks for your answer! So you think that any MTB cranc like SLX or maybe sram would work fine as well?
@@timeforbikes I watched many times your videos and purchase a SLX M7000 crankset that has the same q-factor and chainline (50mm) of the XY you install. I was sure to be able to install it as you did, but in my bike it's impossible to install a 40t crank as it touch the frame. The BB is a standard BSA. Did you install a spacer on the drive side? Are your BB cups wider than the average? I really don't know why It's impossible to install it!
How long is the reach?
As it is an XL frame its long and maybe a little more agressive than some would like/feel comfortable with on a gravel bike. Head Tube Reach = 460mm, Handlebar Reach = 520mm. Personally for this kind of build a large would have been better for me but you work with what you have. As I am used to aero positions on the TT and aero road bike this is not a massive issue. I feel that my handling would be better with a smaller frame with a frame though.
Doesn't the GRX have the same spindle length as Ultegra? If it does the pedal ARM will eventually fall off.
Hi, the GRX has the same spindle length as the ultegra, and in fact all other hollotech 2 systems have the same length spindle to the best of my knowledge. The problem comes when you are trying to allow for the wider chainstays and then trying to add spacers to the bottom bracket to achieve this. The GRX has wider q factor than the ultegra and hence it is better suited to gravel bikes that have wider chainstays to to allow for wider tyres. My first thought was that the widened q factor would allow me more clearence and stop the pedal and crank arms hitting the frame as easily ' meaning that I could reduce spacing across the bottom bracket and in turn give me more of the axle to play with. This sadly was not the case. However the XT chainset totally changes things. The q factor is so wide that it allows the pedal arm and crank arm much mores space. I used a mountain bike bottom bracket (much thinner cups than road ones) and means that everything worked perfectly. Hope that makes sense?
@@timeforbikes which mountain bike bottm bracket did you use? I have the same issues with a road bike that for whatever reason has a 73mm bb length. I want to upgrade the group set but this hasn't allowed me. I'm fact the pedal fell off while using bike before I knew it was 73mm not 68mm.
@@realist915able I used a deore bottom bracket. It will give you loads more clearence, but may cause problems with the chainrings being too close to the chainstays. Just have to give it a go and see. Let me know how it goes.
let me know when you go to sell!
If that ever happens I will. However you could have this bike now if you wanted to undertake the same project.... Maybe worth a thought. These frames come up all the time. Just do your best to get one that has no serious dents, as good a paintwork as possible, and absolutely no signs of cracks or other famagr. Best of luck
I thought this was Tim Cook
Hey, I am not that old - wouldn't mind some of his cash though, with more subscriber you never know......😆😆😆😆👍