Mickey Mouse Now In The Public Domain, What It Does And Doesn't Mean

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  • čas přidán 31. 12. 2023
  • John and the crew discuss the earliest Mickey Mouse, the original 1928 Steamboat Willie, losing its US copyright protection and entering the public domain.
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  • @JRiley187
    @JRiley187 Před 4 měsíci +79

    whats ironic is Disney made a whole empire off public domain. From Tarzan to Cinderella and basically all their films.

    • @christianarseneault
      @christianarseneault Před 4 měsíci +7

      And.......Well........Star Wars. lol

    • @1stgenkpopfan646
      @1stgenkpopfan646 Před 4 měsíci +9

      Tarzan is trademarked by the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate, so they actually had to work with them in order to get the film made.

    • @Buran01
      @Buran01 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@1stgenkpopfan646 For now, but the time when enters in PD will arrive, as happened with the works of Conan Doyle, Jules Verne, etc.

    • @knaughta.masso-kist5944
      @knaughta.masso-kist5944 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The Lion King as well, it's pretty much Hamlet.

    • @soyjeffe__
      @soyjeffe__ Před 4 měsíci +4

      Yea but here’s the catch. They are good at it doing it while others aren’t.

  • @Welcome2Die
    @Welcome2Die Před 4 měsíci +18

    Cuphead DLC boss fight would be Awesome!

  • @NawiTheCore
    @NawiTheCore Před 4 měsíci +8

    It won't be long before "Mickey's Surprise Party" becomes public domain (Jan 1, 2035) and that's pretty much the last major change Mickey went through. His appearance is more or less the same as its current appearance.

  • @Sulufy
    @Sulufy Před 4 měsíci +16

    This is great news and long overdue. Disney is literally built on the back of public domain stories so it's about time they started giving back so future generations can do the same. The trademark aspect and how Disney is no doubt going to try to use it to shut certain things down is going to be very interesting.

    • @majorlazor5058
      @majorlazor5058 Před 4 měsíci +4

      If this was a small company and decent employer, I’d feel sad, but it’s not. It happened to Disney so it’s really just karma finally coming back on them.

    • @d.c.stranded7134
      @d.c.stranded7134 Před 4 měsíci +4

      ​@@majorlazor5058pretty crazy to suggest that someone should have eternal copyright over something long after they passed away as long as their business is "small", I don't think you understand how exploitable that is

    • @dibbidydoo4318
      @dibbidydoo4318 Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@majorlazor5058 sad? dude it's 95 years, doesn't matter how small you are, you don't get an eternal monopoly over an expression even if you invented it because you're already dead by then.

    • @majorlazor5058
      @majorlazor5058 Před 4 měsíci

      @@d.c.stranded7134 what a shitty little strawman you made there. Nicely done. You conveniently left out the part where I wrote a “descent employer”.
      Fact is I wouldn’t give a crap if Disney was a small company because they notoriously treat their employees poorly.
      So kindly move on.

    • @d.c.stranded7134
      @d.c.stranded7134 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@majorlazor5058 in my defense, I messed up, I swear I didn't notice "and decent employer" before I made my comment so I'll hold the L on that.
      I do stand by what I said about a company (whether they're decent employer or not) having a possibly eternal copyright hold on a property as long as it's "small" is ridiculously exploitable considering the existence of things like shell companies, which you still didn't clarify your feelings on that btw, can you please clarify?

  • @khun_le
    @khun_le Před 4 měsíci +2

    Thank you for making this video John. I was about to ask you to make an editorial video on this topic.

  • @TuikeTN
    @TuikeTN Před 4 měsíci +9

    I would love to see Steamboat Willie as a Boss fight in Cuphead. That would be awesome!

    • @slipspacesurvivalist9416
      @slipspacesurvivalist9416 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The literal worst entity in the game. He hides in an ultra-fancy convertible that scrolls through the city and throws coins at you, tries to smash you with stacks of legal documents, and has forcefully conscripted a small army of rubberhose farm animals in shackles and overpriced business suits to fight you before you can even get close to him. When you finally get to him and destroy his car, he is extremely fat and can't escape because the explosion has forced you into a pit for this fight, so he enters his second phase where he flings all manner of detritus (stained books, scrapped storyboard papers, movie reels, and "@#$!" symbols) as he frantically scrambles to reclaim the money he's thrown at you, potentially running you over in the process. When you finally beat him, the enslaved animals rip off their suits and irons and are the ones who build you a way forward at the end of the fight before turning to go free into their own futures.

  • @rwby29
    @rwby29 Před 4 měsíci +5

    As it turns out, Tigger actually just entered the public domain alongside Steamboat Willie!

  • @larkefedifero
    @larkefedifero Před 4 měsíci +4

    If you want to use Mickey Mouse with the eye whites and the white gloves, look no further than the title page of "Steamboat Willie." Minnie has her eye whites there too. Artistic licensees, AHOY! 😉👍

    • @npscg1980
      @npscg1980 Před 3 měsíci

      You think Disney's gonna rember that

  • @heroldofvortos178
    @heroldofvortos178 Před 4 měsíci +5

    So, just to make things easy for anybody who's confused or yet to understand about the conditions on now that both Mickey and Pooh are public domain.
    we can use Winnie the Pooh, naked or even wear different coloured clothing,
    but Disney still owns him when he's wearing his bright red t-shirt on
    we can use mickey mouse in his black & White/original design,
    but disney still owns him when he's coloured, wearing gloves and any later design tweaks added to him after his first 3 shorts including steamboat willie.

    • @CarolCityCane305
      @CarolCityCane305 Před 4 měsíci

      Why would Disney allow this?

    • @KlingonCaptain
      @KlingonCaptain Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@CarolCityCane305 Because they have no choice. They got copyright laws extended in the past, but that was during a time that was much more bipartisan. Disney could never talk congress into another extension in today's climate.

    • @supermanalexk
      @supermanalexk Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@CarolCityCane305 It's the law. Their copyrights are up for those specific characters.

    • @jvanek8512
      @jvanek8512 Před 4 měsíci

      @@CarolCityCane305 you seem to forget this copyright monopoly nonsense is a product of government. In a true free market copyright doesn't exist.

  • @RobertRains-tv4ni
    @RobertRains-tv4ni Před 4 měsíci +10

    Superman and Batman will be in public domain sometime soon also

    • @cl4-tpgaming
      @cl4-tpgaming Před 4 měsíci +1

      Ugh, no actually😂. Batman is owned by DC comics, not WB, not any other organization in the world. Tell us you don’t understand copyright law without telling us

    • @pjpatron
      @pjpatron Před 4 měsíci +5

      Actually the first versions of Superman (1938) and Batman (1939) will enter into the public domain in about ten years.

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I don’t currently have any plans of doing anything with Steamboat Willie, but just out of curiosity, are you allowed to call the main character of that story “Mickey Mouse”? I mean that’s the characters name but seeing as the short had very little dialogue, and the title of Mickey Mouse is still trademarked, would you have to come up with a different name for your main character (like Willie or Michael) or or are you allowed to call the character? “Mickey” and get a wait with it as long as you don’t have his last name be “Mouse”

    • @cooperwolfe5478
      @cooperwolfe5478 Před 4 měsíci

      I think you can. Some small budget film is doing a horror movie called Mickey’s Mouse Trap so I think you can. But I could be wrong

    • @comicfan1324
      @comicfan1324 Před 4 měsíci

      @@cooperwolfe5478
      Cool. Like I said, I have no plan on doing anything with Mickey Mouse for profit (Most of my filmmaking is just either audio stories or filming with model trains) but it’s always cool knowing what you can and can’t do with the royalty free property

    • @harrisd1983
      @harrisd1983 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@comicfan1324you can only use Steamboat Willie as he appears in the short. With "Mickey's Trap" they may use the parody loophole, but the public domain just applies to the short and Mickey and Minnie as they appear in the short.

  • @d.c.stranded7134
    @d.c.stranded7134 Před 4 měsíci +6

    I hope this doesn't make Disney want to use the character less, if anything they should want to use him more, show that the character is worthwhile and not just a cheap joke like he will be with all those crappy soon to be made horror projects. Then again it's also ridiculous the idea of Disney being the only one capable of making something that isn't just a crappy horror project, but hey that's up to society to prove different.

    • @Buran01
      @Buran01 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Coppola adpation of Abraham Stoker's Dracula was possible only due the concept of stories and characters becoming public domain after a while allows it. Disney also only exist due they make adaptations of old stories from public domain...

  • @Cookie-xc1gf
    @Cookie-xc1gf Před 4 měsíci +4

    I read in a article that you can you used the squeeky voice of mickey as its considered generic and you cant copyright it according to a law expert. just no gloves, color or resemblence of the current version.
    from Washington Post: Take Mickey’s early dance style, which is jaunty and “a little more awkward,” vs. his later fluid moves, Jenkins says. “These are the kinds of generic character traits that are not subject to copyright protection. These are isolated, uncopyrightable features of later iterations.”
    Also not eligible for copyright, she says, is simply having your anthropomorphic mouse character talking in a high, squeaky voice: “What do you think it is going to sound like - Barry White?”
    Jenkins notes that two iterations of Mickey are entering the public domain because of how different the “Steamboat Willie” Mickey looks from the “Plane Crazy” Mickey: The latter “has, these big eyes covering half of his face.”

  • @TheVarietyVendor
    @TheVarietyVendor Před 4 měsíci +4

    I look forward to the horror adaptation "Mickey Mouse: Cheese and Money"

  • @caledonian8355
    @caledonian8355 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I heard Robin Williams had a clause in his Will stopping people from using his likeness for ten years after his death which runs out in August 11th this year

  • @slipspacesurvivalist9416
    @slipspacesurvivalist9416 Před 4 měsíci +3

    In my webcomic, I'm seriously contemplating the inclusion of a far-reaching loan shark business who forces purchases of competition, overtakes local businesses, takes advantage of foreigners seeking asylum, and uses gang violence to enforce payment of their exorbitant rates for everyone who defaults on their services... I would be using Steamboat Willie as their mascot.

  • @will88TFs4Life
    @will88TFs4Life Před 4 měsíci +4

    LOTR did enter the public domain this year as well, just not in the US. But anyone can now publish their own version of the LOTR trilogy in places like Congo, Cambodia or Egypt, for instance

    • @c17sam90
      @c17sam90 Před 4 měsíci

      Is it lord of the rings or the hobbit?

  • @LuckyBird551
    @LuckyBird551 Před 4 měsíci +5

    You know who goes Public Domain next year? The original appearence of Popeye in the comic strips. That was published in 1929, one year after Steamboat Willie came out. So in 2025 that version of Popeye, it becomes public domain. That version DID NOT eat Spinach, so you won't be able to have Spinach eating Popeye do anything in 2025, but still, another big deal character going public domain next year.
    That means that next year we can have the sailor version of Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse team up with original comic strip Popeye going on a sailing adventure to hunt Moby Dick (which is a book also in the public domain btw.)

  • @majorlazor5058
    @majorlazor5058 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Less than 20 years away from being able to legally publish my Frodo-Samwise fanfic.
    Oh, folk… you are in for a treat!

    • @nebuloushammer8773
      @nebuloushammer8773 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I always wondered how often they cuddled. I know Mordor would make me insane, otherwise.

  • @CRT-PHOENIX
    @CRT-PHOENIX Před 4 měsíci +2

    I saw this trailer for a game called "Mouse", which basically looks like a first person shooter with the visual style of Steamboat Willie. I wouldn't mind shooting Mickey Mouse.

  • @TigerClaw305
    @TigerClaw305 Před 4 měsíci +3

    a new horror game was just announced called Infestation 88, And it features a twisted version of the Steamboat Willy version of Mickey Mouse.

  • @DLO0622
    @DLO0622 Před 4 měsíci +4

    So can you add things to Steamboat Mickey, and he becomes your Mickey? Like Machine Gun Arms, and if someone makes a Mickey with Machine Gun arms after you, you can sue them?

    • @grim_2000
      @grim_2000 Před 4 měsíci

      if you copyright MachinegunArmMickey, then yes.
      Think Disney animated features, based on fairy tales: Snow White, Aladdin, etc. Anyone can make a new production about them, but specifically Disney versions are copyrighted, so you can't use Robin Williams' Genie & so on.

  • @hectormontes7056
    @hectormontes7056 Před 4 měsíci +3

    He had gloves in a 1928 poster, as well as his iconic red pants, but his gloves were yellow and his shoes were brown. Thats the closest you can get to modern Mickey ig.

    • @npscg1980
      @npscg1980 Před 3 měsíci

      Not taking any chance s with my own shorts (Michael mouse)

  • @jayhoav2120
    @jayhoav2120 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Very informative video for me. Ty for that insight but 2 questions 1. Why is Willie now in public domain? Is it just a matter of time elapsed???
    2. Are the original creators able to prevent public domain access? Like renewal of a trademark?

    • @gojiking5456
      @gojiking5456 Před 4 měsíci +3

      1:Steamboat Willie is now in public domain, because the ammount of time elapsed for something to leave private trademark is just shy of 100 years.
      2: Disney fought & unofficially bribed congress to extend it to that length of time for many, many years, where before i think it was closer to 70 or so odd years.
      Eventually, though, time runs out and now this iteration of Micky is fair game, and if no new laws are passed in the coming years/ decades, more works like Mickey & other iterations of his friends will also slowly become public domain.over time.

    • @jayhoav2120
      @jayhoav2120 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@gojiking5456 man , thank you for that information! 🙏 much appreciated!!!

  • @mrcoach69
    @mrcoach69 Před 4 měsíci

    will everything from that first steamboat willie movie be available? or just the mickey mouse?

  • @stephenholloway6893
    @stephenholloway6893 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Actually that was the 3rd Wizard of Oz film overall but the first color and sound feature film version. There was an 1910 and 1925 silent versions that predated the more famous MGM version.

    • @LuckyBird551
      @LuckyBird551 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes. Those two are in Public Domain. The color one is not.

  • @thebestofthebest5724
    @thebestofthebest5724 Před 4 měsíci +2

    It's not just Steamboat Willie, it's also the Mickey from that same year with gloves and all

    • @christopherbrown5023
      @christopherbrown5023 Před 4 měsíci +3

      No, it's only specifically the 'Steamboat Willie' version of Mickey Mouse (from 1928 with no gloves). The character didn't have [white] gloves, until 1929's 'The Opry House' which isn't public domain yet.

    • @thepermman
      @thepermman Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@christopherbrown5023 it depends on some interpretation. Plane Crazy didn't come out until 1929, however it was made earlier. Copyright begins when something has been affixed to a media. So even if it was on the shelf it's copyright should expire. And if it hasn't next year.
      But he also has gloves in posters and the title card of Steamboat Willie. Striped pants too.

    • @stephenholloway6893
      @stephenholloway6893 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The only other released 1928 Mickey short in the public domain is The Gallopin Gaucho. Plus the silent version of Plane Crazy. Next year the sound version of that short. Plus on the Disney side of things the remaining Oswald shorts that Disney made before Mintz took over though that includes the first batch of those shorts that are in the public domain.

    • @thebestofthebest5724
      @thebestofthebest5724 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@christopherbrown5023 Mickey still has the gloves and the classic overalls in a poster from 1928; on top of that the, Mickey, in the beginning title of Steamboat Willie, has gloves on. And to add further to all this, a recent game has added Mickey and even given him the gloves and all. It's all public domain; the only thing that isn't is the white gloves and voice

  • @josephdefilippis07
    @josephdefilippis07 Před 4 měsíci +1

    when is the end of year and most anticipated videos coming?

  • @anthony7697
    @anthony7697 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm more interested to see what happens with Superman - when 'Man of Steel' was announced, I was actually hoping we'd get something closer to the old Fleischer cartoons/early Superman where while the Fleischer brothers added Flight (cause him jumping everywhere was too time consuming/costly to animate back in the day) and some other abilities his powers were way more limited and beating him didn't really take a special green rock. Sure the basic street level goon had no real chance but some mad scientist with a high tech weapon, the military or someone that had access to that grade of firepower, things like that were actually a threat to him of some level. Even if not enough to be fatal imagine in the modern day with all the advances and all a Superman who actually has to watch out to not get hit by something firing armour piercing rounds, an anti-material rifle being an actual threat, RPG's being an issue, etc. A nice change of pace from the demi-god who just sits there and takes it till their out of ammo and requires really specific things to beat him.
    Though, the bigger question is - how exactly do certain elements of Superman entering Public Domain work, or more specifically - his Action Comics first appearance considering that all the Fleischer Cartoons from the 1940's are actually all already in the public domain? They were the first ones to give Superman flight as I recall, and the comics took it on, as well as some other powers - so, as the originator of certain powers and already in public domain, does that mean when AC#1 enters public domain can you actually give Superman the ability to fly?

  • @magggoguma9048
    @magggoguma9048 Před 4 měsíci +5

    This is nothing but good news!!!

  • @ShadeBlackinsane1
    @ShadeBlackinsane1 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Could you do a video explaining Oswald the
    lucky rabbit's case. He is in the public domain, but... we don't know all the trademarks that is restricting the rabbit.

  • @JS-jg7iv
    @JS-jg7iv Před 4 měsíci +7

    Does everything eventually enter the public domain? Like will Star Wars or marvel one day belong to the public?

    • @BillGunslinger
      @BillGunslinger Před 4 měsíci +2

      Yes, but it will take more than half a century for Marvel and even more for Star Wars.

    • @JPQFilms
      @JPQFilms Před 4 měsíci +2

      Yep every story told today will go public domain in the next several decades.

  • @xxhalloweenx
    @xxhalloweenx Před 4 měsíci +3

    Will this really change anything for a lot of the properties you mentioned? Like you said anyone that uses Mickey has to avoid making it look like a Disney creation because of trademark.
    Let’s say for sake of argument that the current Superman was to be public domain and not the original leaping tall buildings. We would still have to avoid making it look like a dc creation for the same reason as Mickey right? Hasn’t that been already happening with the character? There’s homelander, omni man, bright burn, and less known like the Spanish movie Super Lopez (currently on Netflix in the US).
    Then there’s how marvel and dc have stolen characters from each other putting their own spin to it. Is putting these characters into public domain really all that different from what’s already been happening?

    • @d.c.stranded7134
      @d.c.stranded7134 Před 4 měsíci +1

      You're basically getting the point, I think the problem is that we're framing this as corporate business bullshit and not creator protection, let's say I create a character who takes off and becomes super popular for people, thanks to copyright law a major company can't just use their vast resources to take my exact idea and make money off of it without my permission, but others can make parodies and satires of my idea like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are to Daredevil for instance.

    • @gondoravalon7540
      @gondoravalon7540 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@d.c.stranded7134 IMO the framing of it as corporate business bullshit probably comes from the continual lobbying by Disney and others to extend the duration of copyright - and the ripple effect it has on things entering the public domain. There definitely is more to it than that of course, definitely not disagreeing there.

  • @tytheeprophet5021
    @tytheeprophet5021 Před 4 měsíci

    Mannn I forgot about all that Oz The Great and Powerful prequel and I was hyped for it prior to release, hell I was watching John Campea way back when he was still in AMC Movie Talk ,

  • @Green_Matrix
    @Green_Matrix Před 4 měsíci +3

    The game lies of P is a perfect example of public domain and how you can use it to your advantage!

  • @superman1875
    @superman1875 Před 4 měsíci +2

    So if mine has laser eyes can no one else have laser eyes? Feel like we’d get a lot of overlap.

  • @slippinsteve8706
    @slippinsteve8706 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Where is the old crew ?? Did I miss something

  • @TalesFromTheBooth
    @TalesFromTheBooth Před 4 měsíci +1

    A minstrel Steamboat Willie story a’la Roger Rabbit noir would be interesting 🤔

  • @Jacksabbath44
    @Jacksabbath44 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's not going to be as easy as restricting it to the Steamboat Willie version, we gotta keep in mind that Mickey Mouse is a brand, and it's very much trademarked so the name for example it's out for most uses, and the sillouette it's also copyrighted as a logo, so there's quite a lot to consider and Disney it's not going to make it easy for anyone, Merch and probably Comicbooks are out of the question too

  • @ryanhau1073
    @ryanhau1073 Před 4 měsíci +4

    here comes the Steamboat Willy Slasher

  • @evan9902
    @evan9902 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I’m ready for another Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey situation. Mickey Mouse: Murder House

    • @johnydomestudios
      @johnydomestudios Před 4 měsíci +2

      they can now add tiger

    • @iraford5788
      @iraford5788 Před 4 měsíci

      There's already a horror video game starring this version of Mickey mouse coming out lmao 🤣.

    • @Bugplanet8840
      @Bugplanet8840 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Winnie vs Mickey. when?

    • @evan9902
      @evan9902 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Bugplanet8840 that one I might actually watch

  • @kcthesledgestoryteller

    Besides Steamboat Willie Mickey, there’s also the very different design shown in Plane Crazy and Galloping Gaucho that were produced that same year.

  • @Darrinwilliamsmedia
    @Darrinwilliamsmedia Před 4 měsíci +2

    Southpark already used Mickey in Disney Wars 🤣

  • @xerxesau1308
    @xerxesau1308 Před 4 měsíci

    Everyone is gonna to release their Steamboat Willie novelizations now

  • @marcoantoniomarquezperez2652
    @marcoantoniomarquezperez2652 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Can't wait to see a Micky Mouse slasher flick. There is already a trailer for it on youtube. I think it is clled Micky Mouse 's Trap'. That Winnie The Pooh one was wacked but I loved it. They also made one about the Grinch.

  • @btbcc12859
    @btbcc12859 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Isnt most of Disney's classic animations based on Public Domain work, like Pinnochio?

    • @lordofninjas1
      @lordofninjas1 Před 4 měsíci

      At least the older stuff, things like Moana and Raya and Encanto and stuff like that are wholly original and not based on Public Domain things as far as I know.

  • @dacripe
    @dacripe Před 4 měsíci +2

    Tigger and Peter Pan also entered the public domain for 2024. I'm sure we shall see Blood and Honey 2 announcement coming soon showing Tigger. Mickey's Mouse Trap already announced with trailer.

    • @harrisd1983
      @harrisd1983 Před 4 měsíci

      They already announced that Tigger will be in 2 at the end of last year

  • @miguelalvarado1171
    @miguelalvarado1171 Před 4 měsíci

    John talk about Amazon and giving commercials now o their shows beginning Jan 29

  • @joshhickeysmoviereviews
    @joshhickeysmoviereviews Před 4 měsíci +2

    Horror movie called Screamboat Willie

  • @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
    @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- Před 4 měsíci +4

    Copyright should only last for as long as the creator is alive. This is insanity.

    • @Mr_Kernel
      @Mr_Kernel Před 4 měsíci +1

      In that case, if you have a tasty IP, corporations can unalive you and get it.

    • @DLO0622
      @DLO0622 Před 4 měsíci

      yes, vanilla ice shouldn't have got sued for ice ice baby since fresdie mercury was dead

    • @ApricusInaros
      @ApricusInaros Před 4 měsíci +3

      Why? So everyone can be lazy and copy already existing material? Creating new fresh material should be the aim. Rebooting everything has already got us into this stale and hollow state of entertainment these past years.

    • @timsmythfilmsandanimations
      @timsmythfilmsandanimations Před 4 měsíci

      This time however, a lot of the creatives, who did not make money originally could make money for this last 20 year extension, like the Marvel artists.

    • @timsmythfilmsandanimations
      @timsmythfilmsandanimations Před 4 měsíci

      @@ApricusInaros And how did Disney become so big? That original company, ad this new one has used public domain stories and characters for close to 60 films, and have made billions off of them.

  • @graefx
    @graefx Před 4 měsíci +1

    Mentioning Night of the Living Dead is interesting because that was a snafu that lead to it being immediately public domain and Romero not getting any profit of it but probably lead to not just the movie and title's renoun but also just the proliferation of zombies and their depiction in popculture. It really highlights why a work needs to move into public domain eventually. Sure a lot of chaff and bad faith stuff will be made but the cream rises to the top and shapes the overall quality and awareness of it. When batman goes public domain there will be plenty of garbage porn or nonsese cash grabs but it could also open the doors to some of the best stories ever told by non traditional sources

  • @jonathanlopez6953
    @jonathanlopez6953 Před 4 měsíci +2

    ten years from now or so DC Trinity will be public domain…🎉🎉🎉

  • @Christopher_TG
    @Christopher_TG Před 4 měsíci

    Put simply, Disney still retains the copyright to the later derivative works that are based on Steamboat Willie. Thus, any distinctive features of the character that is from those derivative works still belong to Disney. It's similar to how Winnie the Pooh as a character recently went into the public domain, but Disney still owns the copyright to their specific iteration of the character.

    • @dibbidydoo4318
      @dibbidydoo4318 Před 4 měsíci

      true but the red pants and white gloves and all of the recognizable elements was made in 1928. Although it was in a 1928 poster rather than a film.

  • @elijahbannis6474
    @elijahbannis6474 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Any one saw the infection trailer afterwards.

  • @Aceinfinity-le8zc
    @Aceinfinity-le8zc Před 4 měsíci +2

    Disney did Return to Oz as well.

    • @c17sam90
      @c17sam90 Před 4 měsíci

      That was a specific adaption of a book if memory serves there were a lot of Oz books written by Baum

  • @tomlerch9190
    @tomlerch9190 Před 3 měsíci +1

    mickey is wearing gloves in the title frames of steamboat willy.

  • @matthewceplina9134
    @matthewceplina9134 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Looking forward to what people do with Steamboat Willie Mickie Mouse.

    • @harrisd1983
      @harrisd1983 Před 4 měsíci

      They are going to get sued. This is going to be a legal minefield

  • @JonnySuite13
    @JonnySuite13 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Beware of Mousetrap, they're advertising the poster all over Twitter. I don't know how legit this is, but I'm not gonna rule it out, horror fans are pretty sick these days.

  • @amusingpony
    @amusingpony Před 4 měsíci

    What year was the gloves added to Mickey Mouse?

    • @JoeCoughlin3
      @JoeCoughlin3 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Mickey’s gloves literally appear in the title card for Steamboat Willie. So it’s part of the PD, too.

    • @luigiisgreen
      @luigiisgreen Před 4 měsíci

      There is theatre art from 1928 of red pants and yellow gloved Mickey. Thats possibly in pd aswell, not sure if thats included.

    • @TinyToonStar
      @TinyToonStar Před 4 měsíci

      1929

    • @justsomeguywithnomustache6245
      @justsomeguywithnomustache6245 Před 4 měsíci

      ​​@@JoeCoughlin3 are all characters from steamboat willie public domain? The characters made at the time and before? Like Pete the cat, Oswald the rabbit

  • @21HolidayGuy
    @21HolidayGuy Před 4 měsíci +1

    I really have a feeling there's going to be a Mickey Mouse horror movie since he's now Public Domain and there's already a Winnie The Pooh horror movie.

    • @Rockscissorspaper
      @Rockscissorspaper Před 4 měsíci +2

      A trailer for a Mickey Mouse horror movie was released today lol. Looks terrible, btw lol

    • @superman1875
      @superman1875 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ⁠@@Rockscissorspaperthere’s also a game trailer that looks bad that came out today

  • @ScholarVisual
    @ScholarVisual Před 4 měsíci +5

    Mickey Mouse "Blood and Cheese".

    • @dacripe
      @dacripe Před 4 měsíci

      Mickey's Mouse Trap already announced and trailer was posted yesterday.

  • @alteregobro4826
    @alteregobro4826 Před 4 měsíci +2

    and now they made a low budget horror movie called mickey's mouse trap

  • @Nyc_Don_Dr_King
    @Nyc_Don_Dr_King Před 4 měsíci +2

    All it is is the Steamboat Willie, original version of Mickey that’s public domain…not the one currently

  • @mrcoach69
    @mrcoach69 Před 4 měsíci

    john could you please make a video explaining public domain? Like when does something become public domain, and is everything eligible for public domain? Like is Toy story going to end up in public domain? If so, what Year will that be?

    • @chrisdoesthis2
      @chrisdoesthis2 Před 4 měsíci

      everything enters the public domain within 95 years . Yes Toy Story will eventually be public domain but not until around 2090. we will all probably be gone by then.

    • @lyndal1517
      @lyndal1517 Před 4 měsíci

      Government peeps. LOWER. THE. COPYRIGHT THING 😂😢🎉😮❤😅😡😡

  • @johnydomestudios
    @johnydomestudios Před 4 měsíci +2

    tiger is now in the public domain so the second movie can use him lol

  • @bmbxiii2045
    @bmbxiii2045 Před 4 měsíci +2

    John… Disney made Oz movies because they own the entire Oz book line rights other than the first book rights held by mgm

  • @tankdogization
    @tankdogization Před 4 měsíci +5

    Our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will see a bunch of our cherish childhood movies, books and TV shows show up in the public domain. I wish I could live long enough to see all of it in its glory.

  • @josermaiz
    @josermaiz Před 4 měsíci +1

    That good that is steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse not modern Mickey Mouse

  • @Madbro204
    @Madbro204 Před 4 měsíci +2

    But. Does this mean I can sample the music from it into an original sound? Thats the real question 👀

    • @GPsarakis
      @GPsarakis Před 4 měsíci +1

      The music is part of it so you should be able to use it.

    • @harrisd1983
      @harrisd1983 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@GPsarakisnot always. That is the problem with It's A Wonderful Life. The MOVIE is in the public domain, but not the music.

  • @jasonholman1011
    @jasonholman1011 Před 4 měsíci +4

    There is already a horror game that is using him.

    • @DLO0622
      @DLO0622 Před 4 měsíci

      The game developer should wait for someone to make a mickey horror movie and sue them.

  • @emanuellawton7942
    @emanuellawton7942 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Can you use the name Steamboat Willie?

    • @lordofninjas1
      @lordofninjas1 Před 4 měsíci

      From what I understand you can call him Steamboat Willie in the movie or show or whatever, but you can't use the name Steamboat Willie as the title of the thing or to advertise it or anything, because that falls under trademark.

  • @alteregobro4826
    @alteregobro4826 Před 4 měsíci

    they so far made a horror game based on steamboat willie

  • @Mrdotoomuchfr
    @Mrdotoomuchfr Před 4 měsíci

    Welp guess that means Mello Bucks can finally get her song bak😂😂

  • @JGmoneyEnterprises
    @JGmoneyEnterprises Před 4 měsíci

    It’s not yet.

  • @manikenpachi2760
    @manikenpachi2760 Před 4 měsíci

    Can you sell and make merchandise using steam boat Willie??

    • @npscg1980
      @npscg1980 Před 3 měsíci

      Trademarks don't expire unwillingly pal so unless you dance around it with names and design,if you don't do any of that then no

    • @npscg1980
      @npscg1980 Před 3 měsíci

      Also don't make it look like or claim it was made by disney

  • @outermarker5801
    @outermarker5801 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Can't wait for Gen V Mickey the mouse boy

  • @cwilliams7630
    @cwilliams7630 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Meatcanyon rubbing his palms

  • @Cliffordlonghead
    @Cliffordlonghead Před 4 měsíci

    Ok

  • @byronkennedy7203
    @byronkennedy7203 Před 4 měsíci +8

    South Park has been using the modern Mickey Mouse for years. I think there is an exception for parodys but it's clearly Mickey.

  • @profezzorx9131
    @profezzorx9131 Před 4 měsíci

    What if someone made a really raunchy, "Fritz The Cat", version of SteamBoat Willie into an R-rated film or comic... Would Disney be able to issue a cease and desist to that creator, as it would indirectly tarnish the wholesome Disney image.

    • @Hulavuta
      @Hulavuta Před 4 měsíci +2

      I think if they could make an argument and prove that it does somehow affect people's perception of Disney itself and that has caused monetary damages, then they could.

  • @thirdeyebased818
    @thirdeyebased818 Před 3 měsíci

    What about Mickey with the black eyes and little sideways triangles in them?

  • @Chill59190
    @Chill59190 Před 4 měsíci

    So i have a question. Can you use the name Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse?
    Even if anyone would want to use Steamboat Willie Mickey... Just saying the name Mickey Mouse you can't just imagine a different version of that character outside of the Disney Brand. This is going to be interesting to see what happens. Disney is quick with infringement lawsuits.

    • @thudles5004
      @thudles5004 Před 4 měsíci

      you can call the character mickey mouse but not name the material mickey mouse due to trademark

  • @ThompsonBrosStudios
    @ThompsonBrosStudios Před 4 měsíci

    I don't know the specifics, but Isn't there some sort of difference with Lord of the Rings BECAUSE it is still family owned? could have sworn that was a thing.

  • @laurent7517
    @laurent7517 Před 4 měsíci +2

    can we use the name "Mickey Mouse"?

  • @jvanek8512
    @jvanek8512 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Just a reminder of why I loathe government and lawyers.

  • @Alton7771
    @Alton7771 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ben Shripo is going to make an anit w@ke Mikey Mouse movie.

  • @SonsOfSparta562
    @SonsOfSparta562 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Mickey reached puberty

  • @MorbidGod391
    @MorbidGod391 Před 4 měsíci +2

    9:55 does Mickey have to be black and white in film?

    • @LuckyBird551
      @LuckyBird551 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He cannot wear red pants or yellow shoes if that is what you are wondering.
      To stay safe, yes, he has to be black and white.

    • @Swenglish
      @Swenglish Před 4 měsíci +3

      You can give him your own color scheme as long as it's original. Good luck coming up with an outfit he hasn't worn before, though. Given the long history of the character in cartoons and comics, he's worn a lot of things. That being said, some forms of parody are fair use, so there's some wiggle room if you know how to navigate that. It's a mine field, though.

    • @KJM1984
      @KJM1984 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@LuckyBird551Didn't he wear red pants etc in the original movie posters thought?

    • @soritahin1283
      @soritahin1283 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@KJM1984 no, original poster was black and white. The color one was for an 50th anniversary celebration.

    • @TinyToonStar
      @TinyToonStar Před 4 měsíci

      You can give him your own colour scheme

  • @MentalSmarties
    @MentalSmarties Před 4 měsíci +1

    It’s only Steamboat Mickey that can be utilized. Not really ground breaking in my opinion.

    • @crinsombone5380
      @crinsombone5380 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Disney made a lot of popular films using the public domain. Someone just needs to reinvent Mickey

    • @MentalSmarties
      @MentalSmarties Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@crinsombone5380 But they can only use Steamboat Mickey. They cannot utilize the modern Mickey we’re used to from what Duke professor and attorney stated. So that limits a bit what you can do with Mickey if they wanted to reinvent the wheel.

    • @harrisd1983
      @harrisd1983 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@crinsombone5380there is going to be a ton of lawsuits. The courts will have to draw lines like they did with Friday the 13th.

  • @rahne23
    @rahne23 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Here, I have a huge question regarding superhero stuff that will about to go public domain in few years time. In the case of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman if they go public domain, will Marvel be allowed to make stories about DC's public domain characters?

    • @lonelyboy1977
      @lonelyboy1977 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Everybody has the right to make stories about characters in the Public Domain; that's the whole point. As an author, if I want to write a Sherlock Holmes novel I am free to do so.

    • @SpectacularWebHead
      @SpectacularWebHead Před 4 měsíci

      Yes! Marvel will be able to use Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman when they eventually go public domain.

    • @rahne23
      @rahne23 Před 4 měsíci

      @@SpectacularWebHead Oh I see, will they be able to call them their respective names like Superman, etc.? Or those names still under DC trademark?

    • @SpectacularWebHead
      @SpectacularWebHead Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@rahne23 Sadly, DC will still have the trademark :(

    • @rahne23
      @rahne23 Před 4 měsíci

      @@SpectacularWebHead Oh cool. Let say for example, for Superman, can they call him The Man of Steel? or Marvel should come up with different name?
      Instead of Superman, they can him Krep-ton, or Super Marvel?

  • @MrRussellRemixes
    @MrRussellRemixes Před 4 měsíci

    3:28

  • @FanBoyUniverse2674
    @FanBoyUniverse2674 Před 4 měsíci +1

    They just made a Mickey Mouse horror movie. lol There's a real trailer for it.

  • @freddied8479
    @freddied8479 Před 4 měsíci

    I think it's mostly going to be used for selling T shirts

  • @navajanegra526
    @navajanegra526 Před 4 měsíci +2

    South Park, South Park, South Park..........

  • @rboey
    @rboey Před 4 měsíci +4

    was this an oversight??? I couldn't imagine Disney ever letting any of their properties go public domain

    • @Swenglish
      @Swenglish Před 4 měsíci +10

      It's not an oversight. It's the law. The copyright expired with no option to extend. It would have expired sooner if they hadn't lobbied for the law to be changed in 1998, but it was always going to expire at some point, because perpetual copyright doesn't exist and they can't just keep lobbying and lobbying and lobbying for copyright law to change every time it inconveniences them over a mouse they haven't even bothered to make a whole movie about (Goofy got two). Steamboat Willie turned 95 years old and then it was just ticking down to new year and now it belongs to the public (associated trademarks excluded, because those are dependent on continuous use by the company, not a time limit). Next year, we get works from 1929. The year after that, we get 1930. And so on.
      Because it's rounding up to new year, you just add 96 to the year of release and that tells you when things (that haven't already expired due to missing their chance to extend copyright) enter the public domain.
      Superman's first year goes public in 2034, for example. Batman, the following year. That's what DC is trying to prepare for. They know it's only a matter of time before they'll have a lot of competition when it comes to their golden age pillar characters, so they have to use them to make their newer copyrights more valuable before that happens. Something Disney has already done with Mickey Mouse for a long time, by using him as a springboard for other characters (Mickey Mouse -> Donald Duck -> Ducktales -> Darkwing Duck; Mickey Mouse -> Goofy -> Goof Troop, etc). Disney will be fine without exclusive rights to Mickey, because they've prepared for this. They'll probably still keep using the trademarks and everything, but the world around Mickey is so much more valuable than Mickey himself, so any off-brand version of Mickey isn't going to be able to become the definitive interpretation, because it's going to lack all the important stuff. DC, meanwhile, only has 11 years to make people really care about Nightwing and Batgirl and Damian Wayne and so on, to such a degree that any off-brand reimagining of golden age Batman simply can't compete. That's the game. Tick tock.
      So, in summary, no. This was inevitable, and it's going to keep happening, as well it should.

    • @TinyToonStar
      @TinyToonStar Před 4 měsíci

      Not an oversight. I believe they just finally stopped trying. There's an article somewhere where a Disney spokesperson says they're saying goodbye to Steamboat Willie.

  • @davidjames579
    @davidjames579 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Now anybody can Take The Mickey

  • @lordofninjas1
    @lordofninjas1 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is cool, I'll be interested to see what people do with it now that it's Public Domain.

  • @kubica4u2
    @kubica4u2 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Add him to super smash bros

  • @nicholaslindsey7087
    @nicholaslindsey7087 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Great, we’ll now get an overly violent/mean spirited splatter film with Mickey as the villain.

    • @kingkusnacht
      @kingkusnacht Před 4 měsíci +2

      The fact that that is even a possibility needs to be celebrated. Not that every novel use of the material will be good, nor were all of Disney's past uses good, but the potentials are endless

  • @benm5970
    @benm5970 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Coming Late 2024- Mickey Mouse: Chainsaws And Cheese