Talking About How I Made My Shower While Making My Shower
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- Basically, I have absolute faith in how I'm building this shower and don't have any doubts about how waterproof it is. Sure, there are other, more expensive methods that may work better, but I don't think the extra cost is in any way justified.
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Basically, I have absolute faith in how I'm building this shower and don't have any doubts about how waterproof it is. Sure, there are other, more expensive methods that may work better, but I don't think the extra cost is in any way justified.
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I Love Mike Holmes' shows but ya that shit can be expensive. You were saying mortar did you mean thinset (not being a smart ass I'm just pretty sure there is a difference, maybe not?)
That's another thing one of the "experts" corrected me on - my use of the word "mortar" instead of "thinset". Mortar is the correct name for it, actually - it's written right on the bag.
I Build It Home Waterproof membrane is mandatory in Finnish building code, not sure about Europe in general. Membrane usually is a wipe-on-type and relatively inexpensive. Last year when I did a renovation in our bathroom and sauna waterproofi ng cost me about 250€. In total the renovation cost me whopping 10 000€!!!
cabanaz cab - please point out in the video where I mention you specifically (you aren't the only person that commented, you know) and also point out where I used the word "smartass".
As I've said many times, I have no problem at all with people politely pointing out alternate methods and / or questioning what I'm doing. It's when people ignore what I've plainly stated and rudely suggest that I don't know what I'm doing that I take exception to.
My bathroom is 60 years old, and had original tiles till 20 years ago. no fancy mortar, just tiles placed into the wet plaster. Bugger to get off, basically had to chip each one off with the plaster. That builder did it properly, but the tiles got chipped and dated, plus needed to replace bath, so went with a big bath size shower instead.
New tiles just stuck on with tile fix, but added bonding liquid to it as well for that extra grip, plus painted the wall before with a priming coat of the bonding liquid as well after the new plaster coat. None have fallen off so far, and no water ingress either. There are a few hollow spots, but that was probably due to the original plaster debonding with the brickwork inside the wall.
As to builders, yes the final look has very little to do with the work inside, you can make it look good for a while while taking short cuts that will cause issues later, and for set builders it is mostly do it fast and look good for a month, not make it last, plus it often does not have to have fine detail looking good either.
This is a valuable addition to my woodwork collection czcams.com/users/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO I still will rate this woodwork plan as the best in my reference library. It always seem to stand out from the rest whenever you go through the library. This is a masterpiece.
So interesting that many CZcamsrs spend time addressing the "experts" that feel the need to provide unsolicited advise. I do appreciate the CZcamsrs who publish requests for advice and share some of their answers. Love the shower, beautiful work. Thanks for the suggestion on gluing the tile. I over bought some tile from Italy just in case I has some unexpected breaks. Your solution is far more cost effective.
One way to look at a repaired crack is to see it in the same way as a grout joint, except tighter.
That was me! A few years ago I mentioned Mike Holmes not approving of your back deck not having a railing.
Love you John! Keep fighting the fight!
I'm amazed how many people will tell you that your doing something wrong and critique you. I did my shower...and I'm a novice in every letter of the word. I did mine just like your doing. No membrane, concrete backer board, mortar, tile, grout, grout sealer, and chalking. Thank you for letting me know that how I did it was good enough. Thanks for sharing.
I don't know how you can talk so much and give so much info while working. That's really admirable to me. I can't monologue like that, even with someone to talk to.
For almost 2 years that i follow this channel (not only this, but all channels i mean), i always learn something new, and this content, always get me interesed and find good tips and how to improve your own home, and make good shop.
Many people, that this content for granted, and they are not important, important part is, that John is share his way of life and some people find themselfs taking this tips for future, that will help them fixing and building up their home.
John thank you again for this, i don't have from whom to learn this stuff, so you and people like you gives me quite a bit of knowlage. Thanks ! And keep the good work.
I like these home reno videos, I am a contractor/carpenter and I always find your methods useful as well as entertaining. Keep doing you, fuck the keyboard warriors. Nice video as always.
I've ripped out 15-20 year old tile tub surrounds installed over regular white drywall that had zero signs of leakage or water spots. The ones that did, either had a major leak issue behind the wall, or were absolutley flooded and neglected.
Looks great. I've done many tile baths I put a layer of roofing felt on the studs the cement board and follow through with same method as you and have had no issues in the past 20 years. I've used a product called red coat which is a roll on membrane I've only used it on entryway that I've tiled or laid stone onto. I use it because here in the northeast US to protect the subfloors from all the wet shoes and boots. I've really enjoyed your work
After 33 years of construction your way has some differences to how I would perform every job that you have demonstrated. That being said I have found it hard to find to many carpenters who perform the same job in the same way. In all those different cases I never saw anyone of them do a bad job. We all have our ways that are comfortable for us and produce excellent work.
I would like to throw in my 2 cents John. Thank you for continuing the blog about your house renovation. I have looked for ward to each new video with every one you release. I hope to some day be able to see the results of all of your hard work.
Great video as always John. I really appreciate your honesty, not only when you call out the so-called experts, but when you leave in your frustrations. I love what I do, even if I spend most of the time cussing out a tool or product and you show that I am not the only one. :-)
Even though it is pretty standard here in the Netherlands to put the membrane in the corners i did noy do it on my bathroom. I agree with you on this. If the water gets so deep the job was crap in the first place!. Love this channel. Keep up the good work!
I've never used epoxy grout, but I have used epoxy resin with fiberglas, and it is tenacious stuff. You make a good point about epoxy grout and the tile together creating an impermeable barrier to water. I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to replace my bathtub with a tiled walk-in shower. Good work. I really like the look of your shower, both the color coordination with the stone and tile, as well as the contrast in texture with them.
I was following your shower install back in 2014 and decided to try it myself, it went great. I did the bladder under the concrete pour and then also did the red membrane on top of that. I think it was overkill but I didnt want it to leak. Good stuff, keep up these videos
This is my favorite channel of yours, i hope that you will just keep posting, who cares if they are repeatative. It is almost about being part of the remodel because i dont have a house to do myself! Keep it up!!
Really nice choice of tiles. Great logic in your advice too.
John, Please keep doing the home improvement videos!!! I seriously do learn something from each and every one of them even though I have done most of them, once. Plus your videos are entertaining. For example I laugh along with you when you laugh about Mike Holmes and your comments about the "know it all''s". The Alf and gold pipes thing I remember also.
One of the porcelain tiles would have fallen on my head when I bent over to get something.
Hats off to you. I did my shower with a few $35 4x8 sheets (made by Dow) from lowes. Used silicone at each seem when assembling. Best $$ investment to go one step further. All those other products are way more expensive and don't add any additional piece of mind in my opinion. Thanks for not beating around the bush! Agree on all levels. Keep it up!
John, I watch every video. I believe your years of experience in construction serve you well. Please stop looking at the comments. They are making you crazy.
Really like those tiles and color scheme. Looks great!
Broken tiles. Broken Tile repair video.
Lemons. Lemonade.
Excellent John!
It is good to see you happy and motivated John. The tile will last; it is a neutral colour so there will be no need for the next guy to change it. I totally agree with you about the membrane. I too priced it a few years ago and the price was ridiculous.
You are doing a great job as always keep it up
I love how the shower turned out. Great Job! plus the trick for broken titles was amazing! I hope to never have to use it, but now I what I can do.
Dude, you are a trip. Love it!
Keep going John, we are all learning so much👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Some from your mistakes and you fantastic ways you over come them 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I had a couple of pieces of stacked ledger stone break while building a fireplace surround - the smaller pieces that make up the 6x18 "tiles". Used the same adhesive and you can't find the break. The whole "tile" is now glued to a backing board, so it's never going to come apart.
Really looks great!
I'm envious of your knowledge and ability. Your house will be fanominal when you're finished. Great video.
I could sit here all day and listen to you bash the internet and HGTV trolls
Love the Alf reference! Great looking shower!
Couldn't agree more! With what you said.
Love your choice of tile, I am about to start doing my bathroom that is 12 feet by 12 feet. I think I will put it off until I can find some cheaper tile, I am lucky in that around here (UK) we have a shop that sells nothing but file damaged goods, and when they get the size of wall tile that you are using they retail at about £0:30 each so I get 3 for a pound and although they have smoke on them it is easy to wash off so I win both ways. I am putting in a shower and I will be doing it exactly the same as you, I have watched your videos for a long time now and have never seen one that I disagree with or have not enjoyed.
Great video with many wise words about keeping things in perspective. Have enjoyed watching as you've progressed with the refurbishment, especially as you don't preach that "My way is the best and only way"! ;-)
As far as I know, that's a standard way of cutting openings like that in the UK, especially where you've got some obstacle which is not removable. I've got bathroom tiles of a similar size to yours and I had to adopt the ' break and join' method on one of them. Can't see the break unless you know where it is and get within 6 inches of it. Nice job as always John.
Looks great....
One of the things I used to think was funny when I used to due residential concrete. A few of the homeowners over the years would watch us do a footing or wall or even floor anx and always tell us what they know to do. I had one once say "Bob Vila said to pour it at a 4 slump".
did you pour it at a 4 slump?
icawn no, a 4 slump is so dry I wouldn't even really call it a pour. My crew would name it after our town and call it a Seabrook 6, it was really a 7.
Anyone is a expert in everything. Great looking shower.
John, I feel your pain with regard to the keyboard critics. The people who know what they're doing and should be critisizing, are too busy building stuff to spend time on CZcams making comments.
It's one thing to watch it being done on TV, and a whole different thing to do it yourself.
Love your vidjas.
John, watching those tiles crack in half at the beginning had me busting up laughing! I just finished re-tiling my bathroom and kitchen, and cracking tiles in half while attempting intricate cuts just absolutely infuriated me! Looking back on it now it's funny though
John you must be a patience person because I would have told some people off . I enjoy the videos keep them coming please
I find these `Home build` videos, really interesting, and your chat is funny & entertaining, though I was expecting one of the tiles to fall off when you went looking for spacers :) Thank you sir.
John just unmasked the greatest conspiracy of the home building and home renovation market
Nice tile choice. Sharp..
Tell me I can't do something and I'll do it all day long. Great work John.
LOVE IT ! Glue a tile back together, who wuda thunk ?
Well at least you can laugh about the whole spillage ordeal, I found myself chuckling right along with you. I couldn't agree more on the product pushers. It's all about selling their goods. Thanks for the video.
I find a nail apron is handy for small things like tile spacers.
"Thinset mortar won't stop water" that comment from your critics makes me laugh. The corner membrane I researched for my bath is adhered with unmodified thinset mortar and was essentially a mesh to add shear strength to the mortar much like you do in fiberglass work. The thinset is the water blocker for the corners in that system.
John, you mentioned the floor mortar, what did you use for the mud bed? I hear the word "mortar" used but I also hear "mix" used. Did you use the Quikrete Mortar Mix or did you mix Portland Cement with sand to make your own?
I used bagged sand mix, which is a mix of coarse sand and portland cement for the base. Tile guys call it "dry pack" or "dry mix" because they just add the minimum amount of water to it to set, and that makes it easy to screed off to the right slope.
Wow love the look! Are you tiling the ceiling?
very nice tiles
Looks very good :-)
John, I'm with you on Mike Holmes.
ABE Epidermix is perfect for fixing tiles and other cast concrete stuff. Just takes 24 hours to cure, but afterwards is stronger than the parent. Fixed a lot of concrete fence panels that way, and when they are hit again ( reversing car) in that spot it breaks somewhere else.
I took the same approach to tiling my shower in the last property I owned. No leaks over the next 10 years I was in the house.
I live in Europe and really we built our houses in a totally different way. I don't know why.
Nice series even though I will not make anything like that in my life
Gday mate, your work is fine, and the quality is better than some actual businesses, people these days in the keyboard era are quick to criticize and be negative, positive is the only road to take, nice work, stay cool.
Right on. I doubt any contractor would be so forthcoming to show their exact workings, no offence to those that are meticulous but id say 9/10 if it looks ok and they get paid then no worries.
That shower is gonna last as long as is required, its your shower, its your requirement!
I think you do great work and Enjoy watching episodes the epoxy ground is key personally I've been using right guard ladder creek for years this stuff only cost about 40 bucks a gallon and will waterproof anything you put it on drywall plywood concrete it is a fabulous product for very little investment what are your thoughts on this I think your shows are awesome hope to see many more
I like it. I like the combination with the pebbly stuff. I used those same porcelain tiles on my tub about a year ago. They were rough to cut! I ended up using a glass blade for the wetsaw (it had a pretty thin kerf). It's been very easy to keep clean so far, and I still didn't caulk anything. I also used normal grout.
Pocket! Where have you been?
Nice !!!!
loved what you have said about pushing products, you always see commercials during christmas time that push products and they put as your not a loving person if you dont spend a thousand dollars on your loved ones (what a crock of ****)
Having demo'd a very moldy shower that was built in the late 50's before waterproofing, I'm a believer in waterproof membrane (redgard, kerdi or otherwise).
You do you.
Built in the 50's but well maintained since? Nothing lasts forever, guy, especially if it hasn't been cared for.
I agree with "nothing lasts forever"- certainly the pink tub's days were numbered, regardless of the integrity of the tiles & grout. :)
For me personally, I'd rather accept the fact that the sanded grout used (no experience with epoxy grout) will not be impervious to water ingress, and address it appropriately at the substrate. I've no idea how long the redgard is supposed to last anyway.
It would be interesting to see thinking like that applied to roofing products. Ever see a cedar shingle roof on a house?
My childhood home is cedar shingled, but I confess I didnt apply the shingles or take part in any repair or maintenance. I'm not sure I follow- is your argument that no special waterproofing steps are taken in the case of cedar shingling?
That's an interesting train of thought- essentially, cedar roofs are effective because they rely on "most" of the water not reaching the roof sheathing, and instead shedding quickly off the roof, but, critically, they acknowledge the inevitability of water penetration at the design level? From a quick google it seems to me that cedar roofs are designed to accommodate drying through evaporation or other means in the inevitable event of water penetrating past the shakes.
To me, that fact almost supports waterproofing membrane in a shower space. You'll laugh because I'm going to quote Mike "Holmes on Homes" Holmes who, in at least one episode recommended against grout sealing. The gist of his argument was that sealing grout actually promoted shower mold as it makes grout less porous (but, not impervious to water penetration) and thus hindered natural drying of any water that makes it behind the tile & grout.
As you mentioned, bathroom renovations are not cheap, and personally, for the comparatively low marginal cost of cement board and a roll-on application of regard, I feel like I've leveraged modern technology and (possibly) bought myself more longevity in the shower, and (possibly) have protected my family from any minor health risks that might arise from the growth of mold.
Thanks for your videos, I enjoy your honesty and your engagement in this discussion!
I think it is important to point out that a contractor should use waterproofing membranes, not because regular tile and properly sealed grout is not enough, but because 1 year from now when the homeowner hasn't maintained the grout the membrane will give that contractor an extra level of protection from litigious ass holes. I think this is a decent 10-15 year tile job. By then either he or the next homeowner will want to remodel anyway.
never heard about a membrane. Hardware stores here try to push a "deep sealer" which is some sort of very thin acrylic paint. It doesn't do anything useful in my mind. What is from my experience very important ist that you use a organic grout (i.e. polymere based) whenever you put tiles down. It never fails like the mineral bound ones. Ah, also stick to what it says on the package even if it feels wrong in the first moment.
Do you use any primer in the walls to make the mortar stick better in to the wall?
"yes i can because i just did it" . lol . hahahaha I fully agree
100% agree with your comments. A business is a business and is out to make money, so there product is always the best and if you don't use there's, then your project is doomed to failure. Their is also a phrase. 'Fit for Purpose'. Your system works so to hell with all the Nay Sayers. Keep them coming John.
I recently remodeled my 25 year old bathroom. The shower was ceramic tile over drywall, and there was no indication of any water getting behind the tile. It appeared to me that cement board and membranes aren't needed if you install the tiles correctly.
Hundreds of thousands of houses with showers built exactly the same way. When showers do start to leak, it usually doesn't take long to see that and fix whatever the problem is.
Overall setting materials have changed, mastic and tile adhesive of today is completely different than what you will find available now. Tile and grout aren't waterproof, but you are free to build your shower or tub surround however you like. When I build one for a customer the whole thing is waterproofed and can be used before a tile ever gets installed. Tile is a wear surface, its there to look pretty. It isn't there to be waterproofing
What if you drill small holes into four corners of tile before using grinder? I think it could relieve some stress.
Tiles have a single ambition, to crack. Look funny at them and they crack, and just pick them up by a corner and they chip.
This tile it too hard to drill easily and I doubt it would make any difference anyway.
personal eperience: yes it would, but...
-you have to use a diamond cutter (they tend to be expensive)
-the hole has to have a certain diameter (tried with 6mm holes, still cracked, with 22mm worked fine)
-each hole requires a couple of minutes (porcelain tiles are reaaaaaaaly hard) and lots of water
i had the cutters and the time so i did it, but if i was short on either, John's solution would have been perfectly fine
I used diamond hole saws. they work well, I assume John didn't have any of them or he might have done so too?. Oh, and from amazon they're cheap, so don't use the excuse that it's not possible. Not having them when you need them I understand.
I haven't done anything like this. Idea. Could you drill the four corners first then cut?
John you're the PL Master :D
All the tiled showers that I have been involved with in the past 10years have been waterproof membraned, but recently we remodelled a bathroom (around 15years old) and the shower had no membrane yet there was no sign of moisture or leaking
It's funny, I have intellectually come your way on the American way of building houses. I used to think they are shit and don't last, compared to European houses. But now I think that everyone who buy a house can't stand to live somewhere that had a past and do a huge renovation when moving in to make it theirs anyways, so just make it cheaper and easier to destroy/rebuild from the get go, stone and concrete are a pain in the butt to open a door in.
I agree with keeping it simple. I do use Red Guard for my own piece of mind but given the amount of time a shower lasts you really have no way of telling that it really has a impact.
Couldnt you have used the awl on one end of the jig and the drill bit on the other as locator pins . Drill down one long side then the other..no measurements needed?
Goddammit I love a good A.L.F. reference.
Just wondering if it could work to cut the hole with a multi tool
What I hate the most about tile jobs is cleaning the dried grout off the top of the tiles. Do you have any suggestions for that? That part really sucks!
Driver lol! Dried grout?
Is it going to be your house or you will sell it when you finish renovating it?
I've always been told that in corners the silicone should replace the grout.
It'll work just fine with out a membrane but here there's no option it is required for insurance or if you ever want to sell the house
Will they break a tile off to check? xD lol
if water damage did happen and the insurance was looking for an excuse not to pay, probably ;)
i think that using the membrane is overkill , its a shower box , not a swiming pool .
i glou one of the tile using titabon 3 and it work
Well said! It's definitely not worth the money. I built my shower exactly the way you did and a year later have absolutely NO problems, and don't expect to. Worth noting, however, I did do one extra step by smothering Red Guard waterproofing membrane all over the cement board which will function the same way that the $1000 membrane you talk of. Cost for this was $50, a far cry from the specialized stuff.
Polyurethane construction adhesive is to John Heisz as EVOO is to Rachel Ray. From now on we all should take a drink when John says PCA. :-)
@Driver clean it off before it dries and then the rest will just buff of with a dry rag when its all dry
I think people are getting more divorced from reality as time goes on. Glazed tiles are waterproof. Tile grout is waterproof. How many layers of waterproof are necessary if the job is done properly? It's a shower cubicle, not a pressure vessel.
It used to be that when you wanted to learn how to do something, you would get advice from someone with a proven track record. Now, there is this attitude of getting as many opinions as possible from the most diverse range of people possible. All that achieves is unnecessary expense and a drawn out job because the cautious diyer wears both belt and braces.
*epoxy grout is waterproof which is used in this case but regular cement based grout is not. The combo used here is fine otherwise a membrane would be advisable with cement based grouts
Regular grout is also waterproof, if it's not cracked.
David Lowe I agree to a point. I've been doing tile work for a while now and we'll often get calls 6 months or so down the line, after the showers are finished, about leaks. We use a waterproofing membrane- not what this guy in the video is using of course. Sometimes its as simple as a slice from a knife blade in the plastic shit while i was cleaning out the grout joints. There's more than one way to do a shower, but saying tile and grout is water proof is just not true. They're water resistant, not water proof. It doesn't hurt to be a little more cautious, especially for something as expensive and important as a shower.
Joe Savage - regular grout is waterproof enough. The hair splitters out there latch onto any uncertainty and immediately think the wall will leak like a sieve.
They also recommend using grout sealer. I've done it, not sure of how well it performs, but I assume it can't hurt and it's just part of the grouting process to seal it. Epoxy grout I'll have to look into more closely.
I used that orange roll of membrane for the corners. I think called Kerdi. Rather inexpensive and that's where I felt there was the most opportunity for leaks.
I think one of the things to consider how far to take a job is the location too. My bath is over the dining room and I don't want to have a hint of a problem affecting my ceiling there. So I did take it a step farther. I do feel much more confident in the results. Could a lessor job worked sure, but it's a cheap form of insurance especially given that location.
LMAO xD on the one hand it kills me that you feel the need to explain yourself to these heckling bastards, but on the other hand it is SO entertaining to watch you rant at them
As for me, I've built two tile showers, one with the space-age kit material membrane etc etc, and one the old school way without. I'm confident in both, but the old-school one i am even more confident in, simply because it is the second one i built and i was much better at building tile showers by then
*Seams* like a shower I would like to spend hours in ;)
Thanks for the video man. Ever since I found your channels I've had nothing but respect for you. It's obvious you know what the F you're doing. Part of me wishes you could abandon the YT circle jerk and make your living with less headaches ( if that's even a thing). Take care of yourself.
Hi again, What brand of epoxy do you use
Kerapoxy from Mapei
As a contractor that has done many many many renovations. Dismantled numerous tile bathrooms and shower/bathtube areas. The only membrane is on the SHOWER FLOOR and there are many. The walls get 1/2 hardi backer or Durarock. Thinset joints and tile it up. WTF are you people talking about water proof in the joints. THINSET-TILE-GROUT...Unless you got a crack in the tile or a joint...NOT WATER is gonna get it. If it is Marble SEAL it UP!
Thanks for saying something about the Mike Holmes marketing machine plus the title "experts/master craftsmen" often used in reality TV. It's something I have been explaining to customers and people for a long time and it gets tiresome. Thanks for putting up with all the shit comments you get on here John. I appreciate the amount of work you put into your videos. I have yet to find one I don't like or haven't laughed my head off at. We share similar thinking about many things. It wasn't until you posted the video of you plumbing final connections, where you were cursing and swearing, that I considered you a true Canadian tradesman. LOL!!
short jorts!!! nice
Who cares about the (non) know it alls? I watch your channel because you are entertaining and knowledgeable. And because you do good, quality work. Please Keep the videos coming John, if the a-holes wanna teach someone something, let em go make their own da*# videos. That is all. Carry on.
I agree brother. F@#k the wall membrane. I like the waffle floor shit the sell, were it can separate from the floor. Unmodified and modified thin set. Waste of money on the wall. Great tile job.
1:05 to 1:13...the video is worth watching if only for that segment ! :)