Compared: Z CAM E2-S6 + BMPCC 6K - Super 35 cinema cameras
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- The Z CAM E2-S6 and Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K have very similar features, which makes them ideal for a comparison. They have 6K, Super 35, dual ISO sensors, high dynamic range, and both produce very lovely images.
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Sure you’ve worked this out but for anybody confused: At the moment Atomos do not support Blackmagic log profiles, which is why your monitor was giving you strange waveform readings. Your best bet is applying a Lut in camera on your Sdi output channel from your bmpcc into your Atomos monitor. If you want to apply luts on your Atomos monitor for reference you’ll then need to be luts for Rec709 footage. This way your Atomos monitor will be able to interpret the gamma curve as Rec709. Alternatively buy a SmallHD or Blackmagic Monitor.
If you select a Braw clip and make all of your iso / WB adjustments you can then CTRL click all the other clips you want this to apply to then hit "use settings" within the Raw window. Then it essentially will copy and paste your raw settings across the clips.
Thank you!
You act like BRaw is like every other raw format out there. You hear the word raw and think big file sizes. BRaw is just as big if not smaller than pro res. It’s the power of raw with the file size of a normal codec
so your tellin me 6k braw ain’t that big
@@RainBowBaLLerHD 6k would be bigger than 4k but still smaller and faster than other raw formats in this caliber
Its not even a real raw codec lol
Okay, now we're talking. I've been looking at the S6 more and more, especially since they announced the interchangeable mount for it.
If the BMPCC 6K Pro had the cube form factor of the Z Cam series, it would be perfect for me. As it is though, the chunky DSLR style is tricky to rig up.
4:41 use Alt + 1 (or any number from 1-9) to store the settings and then Ctrl + 1 (the same number) to apply the settings to the selected clip and there are 4-5 other methods to do the same without using the middle click.
My word... my heads just jumping around "that one, no that one, no the other one, no no that one... yes that onnn.... no that one"
The more I see the new Zcams the more I am impressed with them. It's just so tough to beat the Blackmagic RAW codec not to mention the free licence of Davinci Resolve you get with the camera. Regardless we are living in an amazing time that we can get this level of video camera for a price that was unheard of just a few years ago.
Gerald Bertram Photography that’s true!!!
Have a great weekend🤙
True, but i already have Davinci so I'm focused more on the camera
thanks for sharing. was thinking to go z-cam but now I'm sold on BMPCC. the quality to me is unmatched.
I agree with some points on RAW/Prores ve h.265 but Honestly working in Prores LT for me does the trick for me 3-4hours live event captures and still edits smoother even though i can play back h.265 no problem
Additional note, the Blackmagic does work on the Zhiyun Crane 3 with no counterweights.
good to know. I'm in the market for either of these cameras and have the Crane 3
Thank you for such a thorough video. I love my ZCam E2M4, incidentally.
“It’s not really about image quality for me, I can get great images out of both.” Finally doesn’t everyone realize in flippin 2019 all these cameras are great, honestly. So much stress over a system, pick one and let your work speak for itself.
Unless you pick the wrong system. While all the cameras are great at the things they were designed for, the more your needs fit outside the cameras primary design audience the more you will fight the camera and have a miserable life.
i dont think so. i am filming for +15 years, with my gh5 for three years now and a lot of times, i am doing interviews and use my older canon 5d mark iii as a second camera. guess what? the 5d always beats the newer gh5, and everyone i have shown my images, agreed!
the same camera operator will create two peaces of quality when using two cameras. therefore a great camera operator has to test a lot and try to get as many brands as possible to find the right solution.
@@xl9119 Agreed.
4:40 you can just select the different clips and click "use changes" in the camera RAW menu
It's surprising majority of 'commenters' here don't realize the E2-S6 will come with ZRaw.
@@FlannelNinjaTech my point is that many people here are drawing the conclusion that E2-S6 is 'lack of RAW', by which it isn't.
I was thinking "that carousel sure looks familiar" than I saw the running people statues. Nice to see some film professionals in Spokane
Would love to see you do some more footage in open gate Anamorphic 2x.
Clearly your ungraded BRAW footage was not shot in the FILM setting which would make it closer to the Z Cam ungraded footage.
Edit: After a few min in to your video there is a lot of misinformation regarding BRAW and color correction/grading. These issues will be fixed when you take your camera out of "Extended Range-VIDEO" or "Extended VIDEO" setting and put it into FILM. Your ISO and exposure discrepancies will be fixed.
Cheers.
For the reasons you describe, the video should be taken down (of course), and the fact that it hasn't been, speaks to a lack of integrity of the channel.
@@hpmoon do you really think he reads like all his comments? wtf
@@ichheissemarvin5613 Yes, definitely.
@@hpmoon well, I agree with you that this should be changed or at least adressed in a pinned comment.
It’s a simple flip of a switch in Resolve since it’s raw, but as far as complaining about monitoring / waveforms... well, obviously if you don’t have your outputs set properly they aren’t going to match.
Pocket is $2,500 with a screen and can take pics. Comes with studio version of Davinci and a decent online/offline support ... I'll spend the extra money on batteries that I could use with other accessories also. 👌🏽
And if that's what you need then good on ya. I'd get the S6, sure you have to buy a screen (you can actually use your phone/tablets to use as a monitor via the app) but that's fine. Much better form factor with better connections, better batteries, interchangeable mounts, more Resolution options, higher frame rates with no needed crop, can also take pics, more vertical resolution for Anamorphic, an AMAZING support team from the company that has their CEO and engineers part of the Facebook group so the customers help design what we want in updates or in future cams etc. I own a Zcam so hopefully I'll also get the discount
that's a horrible screen buddy... not convenient at all
@@emsvisuals5580 But isn't it being marketed as a cinema camera? If that's the case, ZCams are in that same vein of cameras that should be rigged up. Looking at it from that standpoint, the screen seems like it's there for convenience of being able to be used "out of the box".
Braw 12:1 is cleaner than h265 and almost as small... I don't see why you didn't talk about this
Not to be that guy, but Z log is a color profile. B Raw is a codec. The codec doesn’t affect how flat the image is. You’re comparing 2 different things. The Z cam has a Z raw codec. That would be a more fare comparison to BRaw. Or compare Z Log to Black Magics “Film” color profile in the dynamic range menu. Also, the z cam having better high lights and shadows could be more of a sensor/dynamic range thing.
the Z cam seems to be a decent choice for cinematographers. The pocket just has put myself off because of its DSLR form and inconvenient display. I returned it because it was just too fumbly to use. The Z cam seems superior in all aspects
No built in display means it certainly isn’t superior in all aspects. Not to mention blackmagic’s phenomenal menu
@@kieranarmstrongproductions4743most high end cinema cameras don’t have a built in display. Arri & RED both require external monitors.
I’m looking at the comparison on my iPhone I don’t see much, but when I see the images of the post processing on the computer your using then I can see it, I’m still watching from my iPhone!
Yeah, phone screens are small enough that you won't see much difference. I do most of my CZcams viewing on a 65" OLED, so I see everything 😀
Good job! I think Bmpcc 6k is much better than S6, cheaper price, nice touch screen, good image quality, braw. etc...
I kinda wish you learned how to use resolve and the P6K first.
I’m probably not the first to say this, but to copy settings from one clip to another you just select the clip you want to copy to and then right click on the graded clip and select “apply grade”.
Good review! I like the Z-cam design better but BM has better color science.
You can install VMware on Mac to run that win native program for decoding and processing the ZRaw etc.
this was a potential deterrent for me as I have Mac, but glad that you pointed this out. Makes the decision harder again
2:33 - This is definitely straight from Jason's (ZCAM) mouth!
You saying that as a bad thing??
So the reason why you're getting different result on your monitor's waveform is because it looks like you're monitoring the log format rather than using a LUT in camera to expose for rec. 709.
Please do a video on the difference between the Z cam and the Sigma FP
What an excellent, informative video
Thank you for your video. Do you live in or around Spokane?
Yep, born and raised in Spokane
Thanks for this vid. But maaaaan... even tho i COMPLETELY agree with you on "Raw has its own limits and h265 can be very handy and all"... the overall clarity and colour fidelity coming from the BM4k and the BM6k is just IMMEDIATELY apparent whenever i watch anything shot on these types of cams. I just feel, h264/5 and Prores tends to produce a rather... "washed out" image. And i dont mean LOG ofc, but even after grading.
The overall tonality (even in this 6k 10Bit material, basically as good as h265 can get) i can INSTANTLY see the difference. To my eye its very noticeable and im such a sucker for good colour. Man i WISH that wouldnt bother me and if i only shot stuff in Film-Look-Style it prob. wouldnt matter at all... but MAAAAAAAAAN... the IQ to my eye of BRAW is just soo much better.... argghhhh.... :)
@@FlannelNinjaTech how many people are watching in 4k? More and more every day and who the hell does anything creative for the viewers with the lowest quality? And by the way, I'm watching on a 65" 1080p Panasonic VT30 and I can tell the difference.
Enjoyed watching your video though.
Feel you on this.
Man.... look at the blue / cold shadows in the BMPCC... just more work to colour grade.
Maybe I know how to explain BMPCC 6k waveform problem.
You should not adjust the curve, maybe you can try to turn down the Gain values.
it seemed to me alone that in dark scenes skin tone is better with z-сam?
Like the shots in Spokane, Wa.
No, you're right. RAW isn't always the best option for everybody with a camera. But then again, cinema cameras aren't iPhones. They're not for everybody either. Mostly, if you're on a pro production, you wouldn't exactly use a RED camera to go out there and capture Apple ProRes. I think that would get you fired pretty darn quickly!
🙏🏼 thanks, I watch too many videos with only basic information. Everything about dynamic range and noise reduction was very helpful
10:46 The BM has in my opinion much better colors
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@@AllThingsKen It does not...the E2 has to be exposed differently, than the BM6K.....
There is absolutely no doubt that in this comparison (as well as in most other footage I have seen so far) the BMPCC 6k has way better colors and much more detail. And its not surprising, BRAW is a much better codec than ProRes or H265.
@@nordfresse LOL dude no just shut up. YOu sound like a fanboy.
Parallax Peak no, he doesn’t. He sounds like someone with an opinion he’s willing to take a bit of his time to express and it is helpful for someone like me who is looking closely at these two cams as well as the S1H trying to decide on a buying decision for an upcoming project. @nordfresse thank you for your thoughts.
If U want to copy BRAW settings from clip to clip, You have to select source settings clip and then select with shift other clips U want to have this RAW settings, then click on "Use Settings" button on raw settings tab and Raw setting will be copied to selected clips. I Also don't like that exposure i see in Davinci is not that i have seen on screen. Thanks for comparison clip :)
Blackmagic ergonomics, built in screen, braw, better colour (slightly) etc.
Are they using the same sensors? Have you noticed any weird magenta in the highlights on the Zcam? I have seen it in many E2 videos and wondering if it is still there on the S6. Thanks!!!
Is there a reason you wouldn't want to shoot anamorphic on the BMPCC? I didn't understand how open gate is better for anamorphic.
Consider that 16:9 format sensor has an aspect ratio of 1.78:1. If you record with an anamorphic lens having a 2.0x stretch factor you end up with an incredibly wide and awkward looking 3.55:1 aspect ratio. If you start with a 4:3 aspect ratio which some sensors offer in open gate, you get a more manageable 2.67:1 aspect ratio. CineD visualizes this at www.cined.com/anamorphic-on-169-sensor-workflow/
@@FlannelNinjaTech Oh interesting! Would you say the same goes for 1.33x squeeze? The article linked didn't really go over 1.33x.
What is the 3rd party plug in? I hate not being able to move around a zoomed in image in resolve. And don’t want some crappy 3 button mouse...thanks for any information of a working 3rd party app...Mojave here by the way.
@@FlannelNinjaTech I have the Magic Mouse 2 also. I cannot believe Resolve has not even thought about adding the ability to at least option click with a key stroke for Mac users. I Color my footage with a professional Color studio and the other day a guy showed me he can Option Click to move things around but it does not work on 16 and newer mac's I guess. He is still on 15 and an older trashcan style MacPro or maybe a tower.. Seems like a really easy thing for BM to change for us Mac users!!! I do not want to have to use some 10$ cheap mouse plugged in when I have a beautiful brand new iMac and MM2... Arrrrrggg
G WIZ, im cringing watching this video. Hopefully, my man learns how to use the P6 and Resolve.
BMPCC 6K is soooo august 2019
Is it possible that they're using the same sensor?
That's what I want to know
Small Chinese camera maker Z-Cam has got more models than Arri, Blackmagic, Canon, DJI, Kinefinity, Nikon, Panasonic, Panavision, and Sony. Isn't that a bit.... curious?
Im considering the F6, but I've been looking at some of the test shots, and it just doesn't look like 6K quality... I dont know. Its supposed to be coming out soon, but even the E2, I am finding very little footage of it, and yet, it doesnt look like very good 4K
So which one has a file easy to work with for grading and vfx?
Nice comparison. Can you also please make a comparison video about Canon c500 Mark II and The new FX9 Sony?
Cool comparison mate!
The bmpcc 6 is my next cam for sure 🙌
Enjoy life
good point... thnx
Good review!
Only drawback on the Bmpcc 6k to me is the rolling shutter. The z cam has a global shutter, which makes a big difference in recording moving objects or moving he camera itself. However, the Bmpcc seems to exceed in quality.
Z CAM has two global shutter cameras, the E2G and the E2-S6G. Both cost more than their rolling shutter brothers and usually have less dynamic range and lower frame rates. It's a trade off to get global shutter.
So when are we going to actually be able to to buy it??
Man, don't worry about some of the comments listed below. This was a great and very informative video. Good job!
Can you shoot Pro Res in 6K with ZCam? I ask because the BMPCC 6K cannot. BMPCC 6K will only allow you to shoot RAW in 6K. Which suck if you're an Adobe Pr editor.
Is rolling shutter bad on black magic
Great review. Really impressed with Z-cam, looking into the Z-cam 6k full frame!
Really..? Looking at this you are going for the Z-Cam rather than the BMPCC6k?
@@nordfresse Well the new upcoming one, Z CAM E2-F6. See for yourself. www.z-cam.com/e2-f6/. The camera is very impressive. The one displayed on this video is awesome already... but a full-frame version for an additional $2000.
thank you
When is the the E2-s6 gonna ship in the US?
3:18 -- You can recover these highlights but the BMPCC is overexposed. BRAW or not, it shouldn't be blown out or under-exposed. Then... you grade and add to it vs. being in recovery mode.
4:00 -- Also, why is your tint set to 33? Not zero? And, do you have a Display LUT applied? I only ask because in your camera preview, there's a massive amount of tint but in your raw settings in Resolve, there's "zero" tint so it looks like one clip had a LUT and the other in Resolve is how it really looks.
Thanks for the test. Yet i feel like you should have spent a tiny bit more time matching the colors between those 2 cause here i'm seeing much more contrast + saturation in BMPCC6K which makes me feel like it gives a way better image. But i'm pretty sure you can get the same kind of image with the correct color correction. Especially at 16:05
Too bad Ninja didn't understand BRAW workflow, not in the camera or in the edit. There is no comparision between these cameras in terms of image quality and color.
@@eliteextremophile8895 i was hesitating...I like the connectivity of the Z cam better, but the image (12bits) of the BMPCC + workflow on davinci is making me thinking i'll go for it.
The used of CFast cards is just deal breaker form me.
I have the Pocket 6K and 4K, my footage in BRAW in Film mode does not look this blue, especially in the shadows. I'm not sure what settings you have or if you white balanced properly, but this is a very misleading video.
What lens did you use?
The way you are processing that Braw something seems way off. Are you viewing it in resolve as something you shot in BMD film, in a blackmagic design color space? It looks like you've take braw and done like a r709 conversion or something. Its really strange looking. Also, to copy node data from one clip to the next on Mac all you have to hit is the + sign to pull from the clip directly left, and the minus sign, for the clip two spaces to the left. Also, you can do "grab still" and then apply that grade to whatever clip you want. That also passes the braw data, or at least it does in resolve 16. Thanks for the work you've put into this, as I know its a lot of work...but seems like theres a few issues with your processing chain and raw.
sidenote I never change the color space from BMD to r709 when working with braw footage. It does not look good that way imo
Flannel Ninja you should look in the color management area of your preferences. Seems like there may be some type of conversion happening or some setting causing that. When you import braw in bmd film profile into your media page it should look exactly like your camera does without the lut preview on, which looks very similar to what you are showing as zlog in the video.
I think this will likely explain why your histograms/waveforms are showing different values between cam and in resolve
Correctly processed braw shouldn’t really look any different than pro res in the film profile
@@FlannelNinjaTech No, this is not normal. BRAW in film log format does not look like the images you've shown. Neither cDNG does look that way. Something is very wrong with your Resolve setup. It can't be the camera, because no one else has reported such a bug, and also it looks normal in the histogram/camera-screen. The problem is your setup of Resolve. Go to the project properties and under color management make sure everything looks right, and you don't let the app to add a lut for you or anything like that.
What are the temperature values of Z cam? Is there a problem with the cooling?
The Z CAM cameras are excellent and never overheat. No fans either.
What about autofocus ??
I pre ordered the f6. I currently own the e2. In this video I like the BM image more. But for actual functionality I prefer the z cam.
Sam McGehee the F6 should be better looking than the s6 and probably the BMP6K
Remember, he was comparing an in stock Pocket 6K in BRAW to a production unit S6 with ProRes 422HQ so it's going to be different. Also i noticed major color shifts in the pocket while doing the underexposed shots
Thanks! I love the details on Davinci Resolve in grading the raw.
Thanks for this really well made and interesting to compare. Now that Atomos/ZCAM are adding raw support to the Ninja5 I'd be interested in seeing footage from both these cameras on the same 12bit raw output of the Ninja 5. If anyone knows of a video showing this please share!
Atomos posted it on their channel
Does the production model of the S6 still offer all those ProRes options?
Flannel Ninja thanks mate!
Flannel Ninja mate thanks again for this! Got added to the Facebook group and had a read through. Impressive cameras that for sure. Can’t wait to buy one
Autofocus, powerzoom? Fast moving subjects are my jam, need a camera that can hold focus from a distance and remotely, can I accessorize to accomplish these tasks?
Sounds like you need a video camera and NOT a cinema camera.
Thanks captain obvious..still need to know if this rig can accomplish the tasks in my workflow.
Eyyyyy a fellow spokaner!
Thank you for this. What about motion cadence and motion blur?
Flannel Ninja well... no mythical fact at all. It’s simply the way a camera renders motion. I was talking it over with my DP a few days ago and he doesn’t want to utilize RED in our movie because ARRI has a better motion cadence. In this case I’m asking you if you noticed a difference in motion blurs between the cameras utilizing the same 24p 180d setting
How can you judge latitude and detail when you are comparing h.265 against BRAW? That just doesn't make any sense.
both of them are good for people who want to upgrade from iphone but not for real movie work.
lol
you are joking right?
@@MikeHughesShooter nope look at movies do they look like the result of these cameras unless u shoot travel videos and documentaries. I am not talking about marvel or scifi but real beautiful movies. Kinefinity LF is top in my list but that too is having cmos rolling shutter issue , so all in all Amira or Alexa wins.
Red, is Dead.
RED is Black?
Red is definitely not dead
Wait for the Komodo
I think Red is in it's own class.
@@ItsJustTedd I agree but they are supposedly releasing an affordable 6k camera for around 5k$
Bmpcc is the Best
When are you going to get the F6?? :)
Flannel Ninja Does it come with a variable ND filter?
Does the 4K 120 or 6k 60fps crop into the sensor on the E2 F6?
I think other people have addressed this already, but your pocket6k raw footage looks like it was set to video rather than film. Resolve is something you need to learn. Braw files are nowhere near as big as raw of old, 12:1 compressed braw footage still looks pristine for most purposes. Once you start shooting narratives in raw, you will not go back, it's so versatile. If you've ever forgotten to set your white balance, it's a major pain to fix it, with a raw format it's a matter of changing a slider in your editor. Of course as you say, you can record concerts in a lower quality codec, but yeah that takes us into a whole new territory, where you'd probably be better off using one of the canon or panasonic cameras.
Can someone do 500 mk ii Vs Sony Fx9 ? 🕺🏽
Just finished... strong work. Very helpful. A lot of oddly critical comments here....
why you just got 2.17 subscribers ？you worth more than this number！ good job，bro！
Man, you definitely have some things figured out wrong.. The exposure problem is something you're doing wrong, and with 12:1 BRAW you get way better quality, size and flexibility than any flavour of prores (except proxy, that is a bit smaller, but nowhere near as good an image or grading experience). I shoot everything 12:1.
4:10 I don't think that's a rant. It looks genuinely annoying. Surely this is an oversight that should be addressed in 16.1
Oh dear!
pls rec video 30fps
H.265 ohh hell nah.
Tomi Stenqvist lol 😂
Brilliant comparison! Liked and subscribed. Would have been nice to see some rigging & use case comparisons. Maybe one is better for doc & the other better for narrative style filmmaking?
@@FlannelNinjaTech in that case awesome work! Following closely with interest!
Why is there such a HUGE difference between their colours?
Plus i find the footage from bmpcc more cinematic and the dynamic range looks better. While z cam looks a little more DSLR'ish
These are ungraded mate, if you find a footage to sharp or to cool or to contrasted you can simply tune that in color grading. This is a non issue
MacOS was never called 'Mac OS Ecks' - it was 'Mac OS Ten'. But on top of that they don't even call it *that* anymore - just 'Mac OS'
You seem to not understand how dynamic range works. Read the dynamic range charts for these cameras, specifically the bmpcc6k. You're misconceptions lead you to believe that in outdoor settings, you need to use the lowest ISO. This is not the case. Go back to your braw files for that outdoor scene with the statue figures and select ISO 1000. Use the highlight recovery tool and drop the exposure values. You'll instantly get back all that highlight information that was clipping at lower ISO values. Next time you film outside, expose properly for a higher ISO. You're welcome.
the highlight recover will effect the highlights only, while iso will effect the over all exposer. The parades should show the Raw Image, but on the camera, it doesn't. maybe because he did not switch to film - dr.
he didn't shoot in low iso at all, instead he just turned it low in post.
windows only that's a deal breaker and the price on the bmpcc is way cheaper
its the same price if u preorder and support to mac is soon come
it makes me sad watching you drop from 400 to 100 outsitde to "get better exposure". you should of pulled the highlights down and not switch the ISO. when switching the ISO you change the gama curve and how your DR is placed.
BMPCC6k is a better camera. And now with the bmpcc6k PRO it's not even close...