BMPCC is the clear winner here. You can make a 50 million dollar budget movie with a BMPCC6K and you automatically spend a few million bucks less cause most Red Cameras are being rented at such crazy prizes, when you buy the gear for the BMPCC6K you can spend the rest of the money on more shooting days or as a security cussion for something else. Of course dynamic range does a lot. And there is a huge difference but this is why most high budget production use Arri instead of even the Red cause it s not even on par with the Arri. I do not like the red dragon it is bulky, it is user unfriendly and actually you cannot shoot with it at 50K cause only the body. With BMPCC you spend a max of 4K for the body and a few lenses and you are good to go as a camera operator. for low and even some higher budget productions. Fuck the Red Camera.
The fact that the image coming from the BMPCC 6K is so close to the RED that you could barely tell the difference, apart from the dynamic range, is super impressive! It awesome to see how fast technology is progressing and benefiting the consumer
@PRIVATE This is beyond spot on. The review like many is great, but that you can use the BMPCC4K/6K for making movies, corporate videos, weddings, etc.. and many are, is a testament to the way the industry is moving. While it is always awesome seeing Red/Arri/Sony/Canon and so on release their $10K to $100K or more cameras, the fact is, the mass majority of people are able to afford BMPCC cameras and for the vast majority of projects it will be on par with high end cinema cameras for a fraction of the price. Many movies even purchase several BM cameras as B roll for things like mounting to cars, etc now since on large budgets they can be considered disposable. For me, I would shoot on BM all day over paying the ridiculous prices RED and others cost. Like you said, that is the old way of charging 100x more than the camera needs to cost for a few minor advantages that in the end, when viewed by us consumers on youtube or netflix.. is almost no discernible difference. Hell, most people today are watching content on their tiny ass phones.
@@MisterWealth Simple, Who noticed when Captain Marvel switched from their 8k Red's and 6k Alexa's to the footage from the tiny 1080p Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera? Answer: next to nobody. The same was true of Age of Ultron and dozens of other movies that incorporated the original 2k pocket cinema camera. The pocket4k and pocket 6k will be even less noticeable.
4:36 - Technically the BMPCC6K should win on the monitor because the Red doesn't have a built-in LCD, you had to buy it separately. You could also buy a monitor separately for the BMPCC6K that is much better than the Red's.
The new Blackmagic Video Assist is the best monitor. They also forgot the pocket 6k comes with the best video editing software Davinci Resolve Studio FREE.
It's his camera, ain't no WAY he would let the bmpcc win. BMPCC definitely wins. The price, it comes with the editing program when you buy the camera, and it competes with Hollywood cameras. I understand that the RED is your camera but, it lost. People ain't walking around with $80,000. You said $50,000 in video, but I know all the attachments that comes with it and it isn't no $50,000 in total. That is just for the BODY! No screen, no, nothing!
Just a little personal notation (for the record i love watching parker). RED doesnt have a monitor so RED wins the monitor point. BMPCC can survive being dropped but RED cant so RED gets the durability point. BRAW cant be used in premiere out of the box (but it can). Post and Grading were equal but personal habits made RED workflow easier so RED gets a point. BRAW file sizes are smaller but call it a draw. Can buy 20 bpmcc 6ks for the price of 1 red. Gentlemen, based on this video it looks like blackmagic destroys red in value.
Agree. It was stupid how they add score. How this camera can win over all if u have to pay so much money? Are we talking about budget? So person with BMPC6K can buy full set of sound, lights and probably ronin for it. Common ; =)
I see three people deluding themselves here... finding justification for why they spent $47,500 for a negligible image quality increase which is totally lost in CZcams compression. They could've bought a brand new RAM Power Wagon with the difference. But what do I know, I'm just a businessman.
I actually felt confident in buying a bmpcc 6k thanks to this vid. I have a long way to go to get better at using it and color grading (1st time ever using a real camera) but it has been great for my needs.
Hold up hold up. You compared the black Magic’s built in screen with a screen that you need to purchase separate with the red? The clear winner is the bmpcc in that category. And you do know black magic design have their own external monitors for these cameras?
The same can be said with the Reds battery. That is an addon and correct me if I am wrong but the side control mount for the red has a small battery that only last about 20-30 minutes if that. You most always have to use a v-mount battery (brick) or REd XL
Basil Lewis yeah I didn’t think the red came out of the box with a battery. But you can’t expect too much out of a review that’s done by youtubers, they usually butcher the reviews when they pick up cameras designed for film. And colour grading in premier was cringeworthy They need to stick too mirrorless and DSLR reviews.
Can you swivel the BM screen? If not, that would seem to be a hindrance in certain shots as well as a nightmare with glare in some situations. I'd rather versatile positioning with my monitors. Also, if you add an additional monitor to BM then your battery will last probably 6 minutes.
All I see is bias towards the $50k camera. For its price the BMPCC 6K punches WAY ABOVE ITS WEIGHT. All the BMPCC 6K's 'loses' are easily remedied bar the dynamic range and frame rates. Battery - everyone in their right mind is going to hook it up to a vmount or external source, the LP-E6 is a bonus imo Crop factor - LucAdapter turning it near full frame soon. (optional i know) Post workflow - Davinci resolve is a recognised color grading software used by professionals comes free with Black Magic. BRAW now supported in Adobe Premiere Pro natively, runs smooth af. looks more like a 8-8 draw to me at least. I just think it doesn't sit well with people's egos that a camera so small and affordable is so close to the RED, hence why the unfair bias. Dynamic range and frame rates isn't enough to call it a 'clear winner' or the $47k plus price difference. But hey, maybe i'm wrong, just my two cents
Q For weddings there is a need for a fast and reliable autofocus which blackmagic unfortunately does not have. I was using for the most part Sony a6300 but now it's a bit outdated so you should maybe consider Sony a6400 (or Sony a7iii). It has one of the best autofocus and if you go with a7iii you have also one of the best low light capabilities. I would also say that Canon could be good but in this price point I can't really recommend any of their cameras. But if you were using manual focus for weddings before and it worked blackmagic should be amazing due to image quality but honestly I would go with something with worse IQ but great af cuz IQ and sharpness doesn't matter if the subject is out of focus. Hope it helped a little bit ;) have a nice day
I agree with a lot the points you made! Genuinely super impressed with the BM.. absolutely nothing against it. Just a fun comparison, you can't take it too seriously! Thanks for your input, man!
You guys are pushing it. Blackmagic wins by a mile for the price. Only way people would use the RED is for proper budget film crews where I would personally go with an Alexa instead of the overpriced RED 😁
alexa is more expensive than RED and there isn't a better camera they just have different color science. BMPCC6k def wins for price but do not ignorantly say the red is overpriced and the alexa is more quality because that just isn't true. its all about perspective and what your filming.
I agree completely. Why do you think the best movies of our modern day use Alexa ARRI, like the movie, "1917." Still, the Blackmagic is more within MY price range, lol. I can only dream of the Alexa ARRI, and could only wish I had a RED.
@@raksh9 I own both a Mini Ursa 4.6 and a Pro and they are amazing. However the design is terrible. Ugly as hell. Amazing but if we could get a camera without looking at the price it wouldn't be the Mini Ursa Pro.
@@mindmeldlearning8497 Red cameras aren't as good as many people believe. The BMPCC6K perform much better, even the depth of field is much nicer than the red one. THe only things that makes Red a better camera for outdoor daylight shoots is due to it's dynamic range and yet the BMPCC is amazing at that too. Now that said I totally knew the B shots were Blackmagic cause I knew was looking at the dynamic range more than the quality of the shots. And it's on the hand of a dynamic range that you can recegnize some cameras and also their color science. But this I have no clue and don't care as we colorgrade anyways.
Blackmagic releases one insanely-spect camera after another. This Image Quality for the price point of 2,5k was just never seen since now. Really love this company! Also thanks for the awesome vid!
That feeling when you compare a $2.5k 'Pocket' camera to a $50k RED and it holds up just fine. Black Magic is doing amazing things for the videography world.
$50k is what they charge, its not worth $50k. The cost of making the camera are probably significantly lower like $5k and they are making crazy margins just cause they can.
@@sadworldwide yea but manufacturing isn't the only cost. It's a niche product that isn't going to move millions of units but you still have to pay support staff, marketing teams, and R&D teams. Also their quality control is top notch . Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the margins are high but I'm not sure if they are as ludicrous as you'd imagine.
I think it’s more fair to say “Adobe requires you to buy/download.... in order to edit the the BlackMagic” you could always edit in BlackMagic’s own software Davinci Resolve.
Also, the plug-in is free, and takes a whole 60 seconds to download and install. It's a non-issue. I sold my RED Epic MX for Blackmagic and I would never buy RED again. RED just charges you for their name.
- First drop the red and then we'll talk, that point goes to blackmagic - Monitor comes built-in, another point - Comes with Free DaVinci resolve, +1 Moreover, blackmagic released support for Premiere - Shoots right out of the box, red doesn't, +1 Blackmagic wins, Red is dead.
I don't see why you gave the LCD screen point to the RED. It's an external monitor worth thousands ! You could also plug a similar screen on the BlackMagic for the price. The BlackMagic should have the point for having an included monitor VS no monitor at all. Which brings the final result : RED 8 Vs BlackMagic 7. (Also I would give the image quality to both, so more 8 to 8 xD) Anyway, I don't have the money for the BM so... XD
I am making adverts, music videos, wedding films for couple of years and I can clearly say: "you don't need expensive gear to make some good stuff." Even my very first cam EOSM, now giving outstanding image quality on MLRAW. You just need good lighting, good concept, a good eye and vision, knowing filmmaking techniques and... professional editing & color grading. Congrats! you are budget filmmaker.
Blackmagic 6k is by far the better camera. Because of the price. The viewer of your content will not notice any difference anyways. When you say, that you need to spend 1-2 thousand dollar for additional equipment, you are showing a CFast card. You could just use an external hard drive for way less money. (The only thing that will not record, is the lowest Blackmagic RAW compression. As far as I know.)
That would be a mistake if you are delivering professionally or do real shoots with sync boxes...smart slates... Wireless setups. Etc. Though the Ursa Mini G2 may be okay.
@@mikehoffman1820 The P4k and P6k cameras write file timecode via the minijack input... so sync generators and smart slates work just fine with these devices :-)
@@mikehoffman1820 you can deliver professionally with pretty much any camera.. you don't need a $50,000 to shoot a professional video. On that same point, you can have a $50,000 camera and shoot horrible videos. It's about how you shoot, not what you're using.
On the software issues: my understanding is that the black magic comes with a free license of their own editing software. Shouldn't that be looked at and if good software the point go to Black? And what about all the other softwares?
I know I'm late, but how does Red win in the screen department when it doesn't even have a screen? 🤷🏽♂️ I am confusion. 😅 And like you said the external RED screen cost more than the whole black magic camera. That counts as a win? 🤔
@@whipkeymedia I totally understand that the Red screen is much better than the built in one. I'm asking how that is considered a win when comparing a camera that doesn't have a screen to one that does. I'm not really thinking about affordability, I just believe it would be fair to at least give the point to the camera with the screen but mention that the other one has the option for much better screen from the manufacturer.
Fantastic video, thank you!! I have to say, before I knew which was which, I preferred the Pocket 6K footage more often than the RED. Very much appreciated!
Auto focus? That would mean they would need to develop it... which will increase the cost which will mean more development better hardware more software more interface more more more... then after three versions of refining it people will be happy about the auto focus but not the cost of the camera... ha
But why wouldn’t you shoot in B-Raw? I simply do not understand why 1 would not take advantage of the speed and versatility of BRaw. Prores is great, I have used it for years but BRaw smokes it in file size and imagery.
What was this video? The footage from these cameras was so close to each other that I originally thought B camera was the Red. Your scoring was bogus finding ways to give it to the red that it simply didn't deserve, probably because Parker didn't want to feel like he wasted $50K on a camera that can be beaten by a $2500 one. I mean, why even have a scoring system and try to declare a winner? What's the point to that in a comparison video like this if your aim is genuinely to so what the BBMP6K can do? This was a truly weird video
I get that this is supposed to be a fun thing, but I really think you glossed over the ease of use. With the P6K you can double tap to enter 2x zoom, use your finger to move around the frame then pop out all in a matter of seconds. Even with assigning hot keys, doing something like that on a Red is hella clunky, and the delay can be super frustrating. There's tons of little things like that that certainly make it a more enjoyable experience. Also just curious why you choose to use Red Volts? The vast majority of Red owners I know only use em if they plan on hotswapping Vmounts. Just so pricey for the battery life.
The Black Magic is not - ass it is carbon fibre. I dropped mine off a tripod on the first day I got it and there was not a scratch on it or any damage . Try that with the Red and see how you go.
Apart from the external screen point, the Blackmagic's carbon-fibre reinforced material is not only strong, it absorbs impact better. So it keeps your internals better protected. The RED transfers those impacts. CF reinforced materials are incredibly strong. I 3D printed some parts and had it tested... it's incredible. BM is the winner for me.
Thanks for this review! Although, i wouldn’t recommend the Atomos Ninja V as the perfect monitor choice to pair with it. The Atomos Shinobi is way better suited to the Pocket camera since it doesn’t need the recording capability that the Ninja V provides. It is way lighter (with better weight distribution), way cheaper, and very silent (compared to the Ninja V that has noisy fans)
Even if you spend an extra $10k to compensate what the BMPCC6K lacks to the RED, you still save a lot in costs, plus going with Blackmagic gives you the dexterity and flexibility. It sounds like not only does Blackmagic win here, but it's becoming a game changer in the industry. I can't think of any other way yhat RED and ARRI can answer to this, while keeping their current price tags.
@@jakejames1591 So is this the only feature you need to make quality films? So let me give you the pocket and I take the 1D and that means you will come back the winner? Is that what you are saying? Think you missing a lot about what this thing is about. Dynamic range is just what Bokeh was a few years ago. Something novice talk too damn much about.
AHS Society calm down, bro. I’m just making a statement. He clearly says “it’s the same as 1DX II” in the video and I’m just disagreeing. Geez. Lol. For me, the p4k/p6k is the superior camera for video for tons of reasons.
I ended up buying 2 BMPCC 6K for studio work. If you're debating buying this camera, just go and do it. It's worth the $2500. I've used them so much already and holy cow they are incredible workhorses for the price. The color reproduction is top notch and makes coloring in post easy. Plus it's got 4 flavors of ProRes if BRAW isn't your thing. Like Parker said though, it costed another $1000 for a cage and all the cage riggings for each camera. I end up using AC power or v-mount batteries for power since the LP-E6 are such small batteries.
I want to know if you have the following problems and if you do, how you've fixed them. I am seriously considering getting the BMPCC6k so I downloaded some footage from the BlackMagic site to get a feel.of the workflow on DAVINCI resolve. Each time I tried to render the files after grading (or even Render color cache) Davinci resolve crashes. Always. My laptop is the HP Omen 15, 8GB Ram, 1tb HDD +128gb SSD, 4GB Nvidia 1050ti graphics card, and core i5 8th Gen processor. Note that this laptop handled the BMPCC4K raw files smoothly.
@@SamuelObafemi I can't help you out since I'm a Premiere Pro user :/ sorry man! I have no crashes in Premiere with the 6K footage if that helps at all.
Blackmagic provides an update recently that allows you to edit BRAW footage natively in premiere and avid studio with no plugins needed. Specially nothing 3rd party anymore
Great Review guys but I feel like you kind of robbed the BMPCC6k on the Monitor portion of the comparison. Black magic comes with its monitor built in while the Red is a separate package purchase. The Red brain alone does not come with a monitor so the winner by default should have been the Pocket 6K. 2ndly on the workflow The Pocket comes with its own post production work horse of a now industry standard software Resolve for free. Simply because Premier uses Black Magic’s “FREE” BRAW plug in (Which I love by the way😁) should not be a determining factor especially when you take into account that the Pocket 6k shoots prores. Thanks for posting guys. Great Comparison!
@@b3owu1f and will use the pro Hollywood level software that is included for free which can edit, color grade, and handle audio and final rendering production
BMPCC definitely wins. The price, it comes with the editing program when you buy the camera, and it competes with Hollywood cameras. I understand that the RED is your camera but, it lost. People ain't walking around with $80,000. You said $50,000 in video, but I know all the attachments that comes with it and it isn't no $50,000 in total. That is just for the BODY! No screen, no, nothing! #BMPCCWins #RedFanboysWillBeMad
His Red set up is years old at this point and they don't even make a DSMC2 6k Dragon anymore. The equivalent brain (DSMC2 Dragon-X 5k) is $14,500, or you could go with a Helium 8k for $24,500, and there's about $10k of accessories on there if you were to buy today. So your total to buy that Red today is half of what he's claiming. Still not cheap, but nowhere near $50k or $80k
lol, i know right? Honestly, if this video was a fully decked out BMPCC 6k vs that decked out RED camera they have... it should have gone a different way. Also the addition of Resolve is a pretty big deal. The camera files haven't been optimized fully yet, I mean, it just came out! So yeah...
@@definitionxmk plus... nobody actually quite realizes that the BMPCC is just a fucking prototype. They are only startign with and seeing what people say about it and can do with it. If they listen to their clients and keep improving things as they usually do, Black Magic might overrun the market very soon. It is actually amazing what they have done. Only thing I am not sure it will perform great and no one is talking about is how well it performs in differetn weather and harsh temperature conditions. I say this cause even the Camcorders aren't really a thing anymore, they are built to last longer on shoots and on high as well as low temperatures which no one talks about. Whereas mirorrless cameras don't perform very well, they overheat fast and stop. and at very low temperatures they stop reacting. Which obviously what high end pro cameras are for in the end. Hence the price and the production. BMPCC and mirrorles and dslrs are more meant for the most normal environments.
The BMPCC is a professional camera and not prosumer, Grant petty said this over and over again. Monitoring, the bmpcc monitor is ver color accurate even better that Small HD and Atomos. Wasn’t a balanced comparison. But nice try.
I own a Red Gemini and Blackmagic 6k, I use the Red as gimbal camera nearly every time I shoot. Just need the right gimbal - I use a Ronin MX or a Movi Pro, and it is possible to even get it on the Ronin-S (although I don't know why anyone would want to do that).
i dont think i ever seen someone match cameras so well. the footage was virtually identical. job well done. ill save my self $15000 an go with the bmpcc6k
Guys this was so helpful! My uni have been appalling during lockdown and have given us ZERO lessons or guidance on home revision so content like yours is IDEAL for film students who want to expand their knowledge. Thank you for such insightful, useful content
If we set the same price for both, here it is the real winner RED : 9 and for the card, monitor and battery capacity should minus 3, total : 6 BMPC6K : 6, + 20 for the price, + 19 for Crash Cam, + 1 memory type, + 1 for battery/price/capacity, + 20 for 20 Live Multicam Camera ? :) ), + 20 for Matrix Visual Effect, etc...lot of more.... so the total is : 20+19+1+1+20+20 = 81...... the conclusion is BMPC6K got 81....and the RED only 6....
Shot with a videographer at a music festival this weekend who used the BMPCC4K on a Mova Air 2 gimbal. He wore his backpack when getting sizzle B Roll and mounted a large battery to his backpack strap with bongo ties and used that to power his camera all night with no problem. Mounting it to his body meant no added weight to the gimbal setup. Genius.
We'll soon have insane cinema cameras for less then 5k, tech is just getting better! What is most important thing is lighting, that's what makes it cinematic!
So you gave red a point for battery life when comparing the XL battery?? What about the regular battery? And the XL battery costs $350 but the LP-E6 costs about $60? Hmmm
Truly an a great time to be living in! Now truly professional quality filming is the reach of the masses, which mean we'll see the emergence of more interesting Indy filming, and bring in more interesting non mainstream stuff to watch!
PRIVATE i definitely agree with what ure saying, but I guess I am also directing it at those who are talented but somehow can’t afford to buy something better to improve on the final production quality (not tht it is as important as the narative, but it would be nice to see better quality visuals too supported by great story telling) 😊
I feel like giving red the point for being more of a professional camera opposed to the prosumer camera isn't quite fair especially considering that historically reds have been pretty unreliable, at Least up until recently when the standardized the brain and made the sensor the only difference. Just a thought
Lot of people (and filmakers) in the comment section are unable to recognise Red from BMPC in the comparison. For the price difference i'd say you can stop the test here. Means your client, and average viewer won't tell neither, and as a producer you will save loooots of money you could invest in lightning, computer, sliders, sound. That will change all the shape of your work. If you are on a big set you'll still rent a RED but if you are a small company/an independent filmaker BMPC just allowed you to do professional work on your own.
I was shocked at how similar these two look, if it wasn't for fire shot at 1:24 where you can clearly see the smoother highlight roll off from the RED, I was stumped for the majority of this A & B test. Hats off to Black Magic, I am still grabbing for the RED though 😜
The Blackmagic being lighter, you can guess which one is which with the camera shakes, but that's really mindblowing how they look the same, just buy the BM you'll have way more bangs for the bucks.
I own the BMPCC 6K. Tilta Cage with Power Handle and 2 Terabyte SSD drive. 3 1/2 hours at 5:1 compression. ($290 each) (Sony big batteries, last about 3 hours.) I have dropped camera! Cage took scratches. Works great. I have Canon Pro lenses which makes it easy to swap lens as I carry a Canon 5Dsr at the same time. Shot in Israel, Egypt, walking miles and hours of carrying. Run and Gun filming. BMPCC 6K + BRAW + DaVinci Resolve a perfect storm! (Adobe Premier, really?) Awesome. Autofoucs is slow, but crisp.
None of those cameras have the dynamic range they claim. The Alexa has 14 stops of useable dynamic range and beats the RED by a mile. Typical marketing BS from both companies.
RED 16 stops of DR 😂 Oh these kids if they only knew what 13.5 stops means.. the pocket btw holds on more into the highlights than your RED if you knew how to use it. What I found funny was that they concluded the camera wasn’t something they’re going to use because they prefer the DSLR looking footage, ease of use etc etc but that same logic didn’t apply to their RED. What a useless video. The features hat matter significantly are: 1. RED DR 13.5 vs P6K DR 13.2 at ISO 800 with half of a stop more above the middle gray than RED. So a fn tie on this one. 2. Colour depth, both 12 bit. A fn tie again. 3. Resolution, both 6K. You guessed it. Another fn tie. 4. Frame rates, RED does more. RED wins one. 5. Battery life, both need v mounts or smart power solutions. Tie. 6. Portability. P6K wins 7. Gimbal work. P6K wins 8. Pro sound. P6K has xlr in with phantom power out. P6K wins 9. Screen and monitoring. It’s a tie. They’re both good and if you need to spend as much as you spend for a RED monitor, you’d get a better monitor for the P6K. 10. Reliability. P6K wins. No issues with any of them so far and plenty of issues with RED. Don’t even get me started on that one. 11. Price. Well, P6K wins that one by a long mile. 12. Ethics and prestige. BMD wins that one supporting Indy filmmakers by offering some of the most affordable tools for both production and post production. RED on the other hand is lately proven to be deceitful, lying through their teeth, intimidating all to satisfy what seems to be a spectacular greed. So, count the points and see who the winner is.
I normally not comment on this kind of video but here I am just for clear one thing, you people are extremely crazy not just compare but also giving points for each category. 2500 Dollars VS Red Weapon 6K Daily rent approximately 2000 Dollars more or less. You can compare but no logic to give points to each camera who is the winner. Honestly, I was laughing throw all the time you just gave points. I do love your videos but this time you people have done an extremely funny video to watch. Let just make it simple 2500 dollars with included DaVinci Resolve License. ready to shoot RAW at just 170 dollars of External SSD is not just amazing? and forget about the dynamic range or Stops. for Low budget shooters, this is way higher then they will ever wish or dream. Now the value exists only the creative ideas and creative minds how to shot the content. this tool is far superior to the one Hollywood Shoot the First Digital Film on Sony HDW F900 making of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones and the digital revolution that infiltrated Hollywood.
1:45 BEWARE! you might have to spend a whopping $1000-2000 extra to rig up the 6k which brings you too a grand total of under $5000, so consider that when deciding between $5000 or $50,000 shitty Red overrated camera bahahaha. You guys actually have no idea...
I am with you... if your so possessed to own a RED I would like to know the reasoning when you can rent it? I have a Sony FS7 and 90% of the time I am using a FS5 because it does it just a good and when on the move it works twice as good cause I don't need to break it down or worry about someone mishandling it.
It is great to demonstrate that the Blackmagic camera can compete with the Red camera for a fraction of the price but many people think the Blackmagic is the end and be all camera. I like that you stated why your camera of choice is the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
By the time the video was at 1:29 I could see there is no justification for the crazy higher price, image quality wise. Good video. Thank for the comparison.
What’s so awesome about this video is it was very educational. As someone trying to learn videography this video taught me a lot about terms and what everything means. Great video guys and thank you!
The fact that both these cameras are being compared head on concidering their price difference is already a very big compliment for Blackmagic!
Yup. The price alone should get blackmagic 5 points.
I was about to write this. The fact that you can get within probably 90% at that price, is ridiculous.
BMPCC is the clear winner here. You can make a 50 million dollar budget movie with a BMPCC6K and you automatically spend a few million bucks less cause most Red Cameras are being rented at such crazy prizes, when you buy the gear for the BMPCC6K you can spend the rest of the money on more shooting days or as a security cussion for something else. Of course dynamic range does a lot. And there is a huge difference but this is why most high budget production use Arri instead of even the Red cause it s not even on par with the Arri. I do not like the red dragon it is bulky, it is user unfriendly and actually you cannot shoot with it at 50K cause only the body. With BMPCC you spend a max of 4K for the body and a few lenses and you are good to go as a camera operator. for low and even some higher budget productions. Fuck the Red Camera.
If you are an amatuer or film student then the cheaper Camera would be a great options but for a full scale film production it is a different matter.
If you buy the Black Magic you get Davinci Resolve with it for free to edit and have even better colorgrading
premiere pro not color managed *coff* *coff*
@@sandros94 but black magic just released a free plugin for premiere so you can now put it directly into premiere vs Davinci
@@sandros94 Agree, Color Managed is the the SHIT!
Also a pretty decent editing software
Is that the studio version of davinci?
The fact that the image coming from the BMPCC 6K is so close to the RED that you could barely tell the difference, apart from the dynamic range, is super impressive! It awesome to see how fast technology is progressing and benefiting the consumer
@PRIVATE This is beyond spot on. The review like many is great, but that you can use the BMPCC4K/6K for making movies, corporate videos, weddings, etc.. and many are, is a testament to the way the industry is moving. While it is always awesome seeing Red/Arri/Sony/Canon and so on release their $10K to $100K or more cameras, the fact is, the mass majority of people are able to afford BMPCC cameras and for the vast majority of projects it will be on par with high end cinema cameras for a fraction of the price. Many movies even purchase several BM cameras as B roll for things like mounting to cars, etc now since on large budgets they can be considered disposable. For me, I would shoot on BM all day over paying the ridiculous prices RED and others cost. Like you said, that is the old way of charging 100x more than the camera needs to cost for a few minor advantages that in the end, when viewed by us consumers on youtube or netflix.. is almost no discernible difference. Hell, most people today are watching content on their tiny ass phones.
@@b3owu1f True, if we no longer notice differences like in a pc, imagine in a cellphone.
How does it look on a Cinema screen in comparison though
Until u rmb the dragon 6k sensor was introduced in 2012 or smtg like that
@@MisterWealth Simple, Who noticed when Captain Marvel switched from their 8k Red's and 6k Alexa's to the footage from the tiny 1080p Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera? Answer: next to nobody. The same was true of Age of Ultron and dozens of other movies that incorporated the original 2k pocket cinema camera. The pocket4k and pocket 6k will be even less noticeable.
4:36 - Technically the BMPCC6K should win on the monitor because the Red doesn't have a built-in LCD, you had to buy it separately. You could also buy a monitor separately for the BMPCC6K that is much better than the Red's.
Very true.
The new Blackmagic Video Assist is the best monitor. They also forgot the pocket 6k comes with the best video editing software Davinci Resolve Studio FREE.
technically yah
It's his camera, ain't no WAY he would let the bmpcc win.
BMPCC definitely wins.
The price, it comes with the editing program when you buy the camera, and it competes with Hollywood cameras. I understand that the RED is your camera but, it lost.
People ain't walking around with $80,000. You said $50,000 in video, but I know all the attachments that comes with it and it isn't no $50,000 in total. That is just for the BODY! No screen, no, nothing!
Bias
Just a little personal notation (for the record i love watching parker). RED doesnt have a monitor so RED wins the monitor point. BMPCC can survive being dropped but RED cant so RED gets the durability point. BRAW cant be used in premiere out of the box (but it can). Post and Grading were equal but personal habits made RED workflow easier so RED gets a point. BRAW file sizes are smaller but call it a draw. Can buy 20 bpmcc 6ks for the price of 1 red. Gentlemen, based on this video it looks like blackmagic destroys red in value.
GamerPoets yes!
Agree. It was stupid how they add score. How this camera can win over all if u have to pay so much money? Are we talking about budget? So person with BMPC6K can buy full set of sound, lights and probably ronin for it. Common ; =)
These people are not pros; but they'd like to think they are.
I see three people deluding themselves here... finding justification for why they spent $47,500 for a negligible image quality increase which is totally lost in CZcams compression. They could've bought a brand new RAM Power Wagon with the difference. But what do I know, I'm just a businessman.
I actually felt confident in buying a bmpcc 6k thanks to this vid. I have a long way to go to get better at using it and color grading (1st time ever using a real camera) but it has been great for my needs.
Hold up hold up. You compared the black Magic’s built in screen with a screen that you need to purchase separate with the red?
The clear winner is the bmpcc in that category. And you do know black magic design have their own external monitors for these cameras?
The same can be said with the Reds battery. That is an addon and correct me if I am wrong but the side control mount for the red has a small battery that only last about 20-30 minutes if that. You most always have to use a v-mount battery (brick) or REd XL
You're so right. That was a stupid comparison, or at least stupid to give the point to the Red in that category.
Basil Lewis yeah I didn’t think the red came out of the box with a battery. But you can’t expect too much out of a review that’s done by youtubers, they usually butcher the reviews when they pick up cameras designed for film.
And colour grading in premier was cringeworthy
They need to stick too mirrorless and DSLR reviews.
@@backlightmedia1628 Truth!
Can you swivel the BM screen? If not, that would seem to be a hindrance in certain shots as well as a nightmare with glare in some situations. I'd rather versatile positioning with my monitors. Also, if you add an additional monitor to BM then your battery will last probably 6 minutes.
All I see is bias towards the $50k camera. For its price the BMPCC 6K punches WAY ABOVE ITS WEIGHT. All the BMPCC 6K's 'loses' are easily remedied bar the dynamic range and frame rates.
Battery - everyone in their right mind is going to hook it up to a vmount or external source, the LP-E6 is a bonus imo
Crop factor - LucAdapter turning it near full frame soon. (optional i know)
Post workflow - Davinci resolve is a recognised color grading software used by professionals comes free with Black Magic. BRAW now supported in Adobe Premiere Pro natively, runs smooth af.
looks more like a 8-8 draw to me at least. I just think it doesn't sit well with people's egos that a camera so small and affordable is so close to the RED, hence why the unfair bias. Dynamic range and frame rates isn't enough to call it a 'clear winner' or the $47k plus price difference.
But hey, maybe i'm wrong, just my two cents
Jude Okun Do you think the Blackmagic will be fair for Wedding Videography?
Q For weddings there is a need for a fast and reliable autofocus which blackmagic unfortunately does not have. I was using for the most part Sony a6300 but now it's a bit outdated so you should maybe consider Sony a6400 (or Sony a7iii). It has one of the best autofocus and if you go with a7iii you have also one of the best low light capabilities.
I would also say that Canon could be good but in this price point I can't really recommend any of their cameras.
But if you were using manual focus for weddings before and it worked blackmagic should be amazing due to image quality but honestly I would go with something with worse IQ but great af cuz IQ and sharpness doesn't matter if the subject is out of focus.
Hope it helped a little bit ;) have a nice day
I agree with a lot the points you made! Genuinely super impressed with the BM.. absolutely nothing against it. Just a fun comparison, you can't take it too seriously! Thanks for your input, man!
Totally agree, this video is totally bias for the Red camera... I don´t know why....
Jude Okun totally agree!
You guys are pushing it. Blackmagic wins by a mile for the price. Only way people would use the RED is for proper budget film crews where I would personally go with an Alexa instead of the overpriced RED 😁
Hollywood would seem to agree with you on that.
alexa is more expensive than RED and there isn't a better camera they just have different color science. BMPCC6k def wins for price but do not ignorantly say the red is overpriced and the alexa is more quality because that just isn't true. its all about perspective and what your filming.
Meh... both paid Netflix enough to be approved??? What a crock...
I agree completely. Why do you think the best movies of our modern day use Alexa ARRI, like the movie, "1917." Still, the Blackmagic is more within MY price range, lol. I can only dream of the Alexa ARRI, and could only wish I had a RED.
Alexa is more costly than red
my god... imagine if blackmagic put their mind to making a 50k camera... red should be worried
I think they would charge the same camera but... for 10k and making a profit...
Blackmagic already makes the Ursa Mini Pro, a full sized production camera. Check it out.
@@raksh9 I own both a Mini Ursa 4.6 and a Pro and they are amazing. However the design is terrible. Ugly as hell. Amazing but if we could get a camera without looking at the price it wouldn't be the Mini Ursa Pro.
@@raksh9 That's not a fully fledged cinema camera to rival Arri's cameras. I would love to see Blackmagic do that though.
It needs to be medium format and uncompressed raw to rival Arri. I expect a medium format camera from them but uncompressed raw is unlikely.
Personally, I enjoyed the footage from B and was surprised to find out that it was from the Blackmagic.
me as well, guess a red is really only to impress ppl now lol
@@mindmeldlearning8497 Red cameras aren't as good as many people believe. The BMPCC6K perform much better, even the depth of field is much nicer than the red one. THe only things that makes Red a better camera for outdoor daylight shoots is due to it's dynamic range and yet the BMPCC is amazing at that too. Now that said I totally knew the B shots were Blackmagic cause I knew was looking at the dynamic range more than the quality of the shots. And it's on the hand of a dynamic range that you can recegnize some cameras and also their color science. But this I have no clue and don't care as we colorgrade anyways.
Marco Barron me too
I thought the red was B
Black magic for the win
me too
Me Too! I thought for sure B was from the RED
Blackmagic releases one insanely-spect camera after another. This Image Quality for the price point of 2,5k was just never seen since now. Really love this company!
Also thanks for the awesome vid!
You are so correct! It's amazing how BlackMagic comes up with these cameras!
@PRIVATE that is so true!!!!
Everyone keeps forgetting that Panasonic started it with the gh5 and gh5s thanks to them we can get these good cameras at these prices
@@kbasemuzik gh4 started that, ithink
Thirteen minutes and twenty two seconds of trying to feel better about dropping $47.5K unnecessarily.
So truth
Precisely!
Nailed it.
😂😂😂
Hhahaha you nailed it bro
Buying a thousand dollar adapter is a plus for red - buying 30 dollars for editing is a drawback !
Yea, these guys are complete tools.
@@ephektz I was and still shocked by that guy's opinion ;)
ephektz 😂
clueless people
That feeling when you compare a $2.5k 'Pocket' camera to a $50k RED and it holds up just fine. Black Magic is doing amazing things for the videography world.
$50k is what they charge, its not worth $50k. The cost of making the camera are probably significantly lower like $5k and they are making crazy margins just cause they can.
@@sadworldwide yea but manufacturing isn't the only cost. It's a niche product that isn't going to move millions of units but you still have to pay support staff, marketing teams, and R&D teams. Also their quality control is top notch . Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the margins are high but I'm not sure if they are as ludicrous as you'd imagine.
@OLDSKOOL978 thanks for correcting me. I've never personally used one I just know people that gush about them constantly
I feel a strong bias idea about the red. Technically in multiple categories the black magic wins literally
Yup! :D
I think it’s more fair to say “Adobe requires you to buy/download.... in order to edit the the BlackMagic” you could always edit in BlackMagic’s own software Davinci Resolve.
Also, the plug-in is free, and takes a whole 60 seconds to download and install. It's a non-issue. I sold my RED Epic MX for Blackmagic and I would never buy RED again. RED just charges you for their name.
- First drop the red and then we'll talk, that point goes to blackmagic
- Monitor comes built-in, another point
- Comes with Free DaVinci resolve, +1 Moreover, blackmagic released support for Premiere
- Shoots right out of the box, red doesn't, +1
Blackmagic wins, Red is dead.
Conclusion: You don't need a $50k camera to make a good film!
But you also dont need a 2.5k camera to make a great movie :)
Big facts!
All you need is a brain and the tools to make a good film. Cheap or not.
You can do it with any camera!
you can do great videos with your phone ;)
I don't see why you gave the LCD screen point to the RED. It's an external monitor worth thousands ! You could also plug a similar screen on the BlackMagic for the price. The BlackMagic should have the point for having an included monitor VS no monitor at all. Which brings the final result : RED 8 Vs BlackMagic 7. (Also I would give the image quality to both, so more 8 to 8 xD) Anyway, I don't have the money for the BM so... XD
I am making adverts, music videos, wedding films for couple of years and I can clearly say: "you don't need expensive gear to make some good stuff." Even my very first cam EOSM, now giving outstanding image quality on MLRAW. You just need good lighting, good concept, a good eye and vision, knowing filmmaking techniques and... professional editing & color grading. Congrats! you are budget filmmaker.
After checking out the cost of your courses, I think I will just teach myself.🙂
Blackmagic 6k is by far the better camera. Because of the price.
The viewer of your content will not notice any difference anyways.
When you say, that you need to spend 1-2 thousand dollar for additional equipment, you are showing a CFast card. You could just use an external hard drive for way less money. (The only thing that will not record, is the lowest Blackmagic RAW compression. As far as I know.)
Better doesnt mean cheaper. Better is how advanced, better sensor, image overall.
I would rather buy 20 blackmagics than one red...
6K Matrix bullet-time effect
Then im you must be a CZcamsr 😊
That would be a mistake if you are delivering professionally or do real shoots with sync boxes...smart slates... Wireless setups. Etc. Though the Ursa Mini G2 may be okay.
@@mikehoffman1820 The P4k and P6k cameras write file timecode via the minijack input... so sync generators and smart slates work just fine with these devices :-)
@@mikehoffman1820 you can deliver professionally with pretty much any camera.. you don't need a $50,000 to shoot a professional video.
On that same point, you can have a $50,000 camera and shoot horrible videos. It's about how you shoot, not what you're using.
On the software issues: my understanding is that the black magic comes with a free license of their own editing software. Shouldn't that be looked at and if good software the point go to Black? And what about all the other softwares?
Blackmagic really lived up to the hype with this camera
BRaw can be edited in Premiere Pro now for free with the new Blackmagic Raw 1.5 update that Blackmagic Design released earlier this month.
Thanks for the info.
😲😲😲😲😲My reaction upon your reveal!
Plus Adobe just added support for BlackMagic RAW. You owe BlackMagic some points😉😉😉☺
Davinci Resolve Davinci Resolve not even mentioned. Red is nice but super expensive. BM for price point.
The Blackmagic was my favorite on the comparison
I liked A, but the differences were...well, not too big. Actually surprised how little difference there was
While watching the footage of the duo, I chose the one beneath.
Was quite surprised to see that it was the blackmagic!
Amazing!
These scores simply do not make any sense at all.
it's absurd, I kept watching to see how worse it could go.
I know I'm late, but how does Red win in the screen department when it doesn't even have a screen? 🤷🏽♂️ I am confusion. 😅 And like you said the external RED screen cost more than the whole black magic camera. That counts as a win? 🤔
@@whipkeymedia definitely. But how is it a win for the screen when it doesn't have a screen. The win is for the potential of the screen you can buy?
@@whipkeymedia I totally understand that the Red screen is much better than the built in one. I'm asking how that is considered a win when comparing a camera that doesn't have a screen to one that does. I'm not really thinking about affordability, I just believe it would be fair to at least give the point to the camera with the screen but mention that the other one has the option for much better screen from the manufacturer.
Fantastic video, thank you!! I have to say, before I knew which was which, I preferred the Pocket 6K footage more often than the RED. Very much appreciated!
Post-Production is a win for Blackmagic Magic!
Seriously, the BM has better image quality than the Red, I'm truly shocked.
Am I the only one who thinks if BMPCC has decent continuous autofocus as Canon’s, BMPCC will be the beast that no camera can even be compared?
Leiki Ueda I totally agree. They would rule
I wish they’d add continuous auto focus. I wouldn’t use it much but it’s definitely needed sometimes.
Auto focus? That would mean they would need to develop it... which will increase the cost which will mean more development better hardware more software more interface more more more... then after three versions of refining it people will be happy about the auto focus but not the cost of the camera... ha
Coming soon ;) Not from Blackmagic Design though. www.newsshooter.com/2020/08/18/bmpcc-continuous-autofocus-with-cda-tek-afx-module/
@@adraskovic That looks very promising tbh!
Stop limiting yourself by editing BRAW in Premiere!
a slight edit if i could.. "stop limiting yourself by editing.. in Premiere!" :)
you're funny
But why wouldn’t you shoot in B-Raw? I simply do not understand why 1 would not take advantage of the speed and versatility of BRaw. Prores is great, I have used it for years but BRaw smokes it in file size and imagery.
What was this video? The footage from these cameras was so close to each other that I originally thought B camera was the Red. Your scoring was bogus finding ways to give it to the red that it simply didn't deserve, probably because Parker didn't want to feel like he wasted $50K on a camera that can be beaten by a $2500 one.
I mean, why even have a scoring system and try to declare a winner? What's the point to that in a comparison video like this if your aim is genuinely to so what the BBMP6K can do?
This was a truly weird video
I get that this is supposed to be a fun thing, but I really think you glossed over the ease of use. With the P6K you can double tap to enter 2x zoom, use your finger to move around the frame then pop out all in a matter of seconds. Even with assigning hot keys, doing something like that on a Red is hella clunky, and the delay can be super frustrating. There's tons of little things like that that certainly make it a more enjoyable experience. Also just curious why you choose to use Red Volts? The vast majority of Red owners I know only use em if they plan on hotswapping Vmounts. Just so pricey for the battery life.
The Black Magic is not - ass it is carbon fibre. I dropped mine off a tripod on the first day I got it and there was not a scratch on it or any damage . Try that with the Red and see how you go.
Apart from the external screen point, the Blackmagic's carbon-fibre reinforced material is not only strong, it absorbs impact better. So it keeps your internals better protected. The RED transfers those impacts. CF reinforced materials are incredibly strong. I 3D printed some parts and had it tested... it's incredible. BM is the winner for me.
Thanks for this review!
Although, i wouldn’t recommend the Atomos Ninja V as the perfect monitor choice to pair with it. The Atomos Shinobi is way better suited to the Pocket camera since it doesn’t need the recording capability that the Ninja V provides. It is way lighter (with better weight distribution), way cheaper, and very silent (compared to the Ninja V that has noisy fans)
Even if you spend an extra $10k to compensate what the BMPCC6K lacks to the RED, you still save a lot in costs, plus going with Blackmagic gives you the dexterity and flexibility. It sounds like not only does Blackmagic win here, but it's becoming a game changer in the industry. I can't think of any other way yhat RED and ARRI can answer to this, while keeping their current price tags.
You should put the 1dx mark ii up against the Pocket cinema 6k
1dx will fail so they wont make a comparison :D
fucking idiot
Yep. The 13.5 stops on a 1DX doesn’t hold up next to the p6k. Impossible.
@@jakejames1591 So is this the only feature you need to make quality films? So let me give you the pocket and I take the 1D and that means you will come back the winner? Is that what you are saying? Think you missing a lot about what this thing is about. Dynamic range is just what Bokeh was a few years ago. Something novice talk too damn much about.
AHS Society calm down, bro. I’m just making a statement. He clearly says “it’s the same as 1DX II” in the video and I’m just disagreeing. Geez. Lol. For me, the p4k/p6k is the superior camera for video for tons of reasons.
This channel should be at 2-5 millions subscribers. Let's share guys !
...and with a BM-cam you get the free Studio version of DaVinci Resolve.
no you get the commercial version of Resolve for free instead of $299 and Resolve is used by pros in Hollywood whereas Premiere is use in YT and FB
@@silbay I`ve got the 15 version incl Fusion. Til then, the free version was without Fusion. Within Fusion was called "Studio Version".
I ended up buying 2 BMPCC 6K for studio work. If you're debating buying this camera, just go and do it. It's worth the $2500. I've used them so much already and holy cow they are incredible workhorses for the price. The color reproduction is top notch and makes coloring in post easy. Plus it's got 4 flavors of ProRes if BRAW isn't your thing. Like Parker said though, it costed another $1000 for a cage and all the cage riggings for each camera. I end up using AC power or v-mount batteries for power since the LP-E6 are such small batteries.
I want to know if you have the following problems and if you do, how you've fixed them.
I am seriously considering getting the BMPCC6k so I downloaded some footage from the BlackMagic site to get a feel.of the workflow on DAVINCI resolve.
Each time I tried to render the files after grading (or even Render color cache) Davinci resolve crashes. Always.
My laptop is the HP Omen 15, 8GB Ram, 1tb HDD +128gb SSD, 4GB Nvidia 1050ti graphics card, and core i5 8th Gen processor.
Note that this laptop handled the BMPCC4K raw files smoothly.
Thank you in anticipation.
@@SamuelObafemi I can't help you out since I'm a Premiere Pro user :/ sorry man! I have no crashes in Premiere with the 6K footage if that helps at all.
@@CinemaSteve ohh wow!! Thank you regardless. I appreciate your speedy response. 😊😊😊
Blackmagic provides an update recently that allows you to edit BRAW footage natively in premiere and avid studio with no plugins needed. Specially nothing 3rd party anymore
Red wins the shootout, Blackmagic wins my heart
Great Review guys but I feel like you kind of robbed the BMPCC6k on the Monitor portion of the comparison. Black magic comes with its monitor built in while the Red is a separate package purchase. The Red brain alone does not come with a monitor so the winner by default should have been the Pocket 6K. 2ndly on the workflow The Pocket comes with its own post production work horse of a now industry standard software Resolve for free. Simply because Premier uses Black Magic’s “FREE” BRAW plug in (Which I love by the way😁) should not be a determining factor especially when you take into account that the Pocket 6k shoots prores. Thanks for posting guys. Great Comparison!
At the end of the day, once everything is graded, it won't even matter.
Though.. the BM camera operator wont have an achy back, and will have a massive amount more money in the bank.
@@b3owu1f and will use the pro Hollywood level software that is included for free which can edit, color grade, and handle audio and final rendering production
BMPCC definitely wins.
The price, it comes with the editing program when you buy the camera, and it competes with Hollywood cameras. I understand that the RED is your camera but, it lost.
People ain't walking around with $80,000. You said $50,000 in video, but I know all the attachments that comes with it and it isn't no $50,000 in total. That is just for the BODY! No screen, no, nothing!
#BMPCCWins
#RedFanboysWillBeMad
I'm brand agnostic when it comes to cine cameras, but ask yourself why rental houses will generally carry Arri and Red packages not Blackmagic.
@@adamhawkes84 Okay... that's what you feel.
@@stealthstar4 Nothing against the camera, it has some great features.
His Red set up is years old at this point and they don't even make a DSMC2 6k Dragon anymore. The equivalent brain (DSMC2 Dragon-X 5k) is $14,500, or you could go with a Helium 8k for $24,500, and there's about $10k of accessories on there if you were to buy today. So your total to buy that Red today is half of what he's claiming. Still not cheap, but nowhere near $50k or $80k
People never read things properly. They just post to sound important.
#CockSniffers
Braw is now supported for free by black magic design by downloading their free plugin directly.
"All of the components that RED makes are professional grade..." These guys haven't been paying much attention lately, have they?
Dalton Randall i was thinking the same thing one word ... jinnimag
lol, i know right? Honestly, if this video was a fully decked out BMPCC 6k vs that decked out RED camera they have... it should have gone a different way. Also the addition of Resolve is a pretty big deal. The camera files haven't been optimized fully yet, I mean, it just came out! So yeah...
@@definitionxmk plus... nobody actually quite realizes that the BMPCC is just a fucking prototype. They are only startign with and seeing what people say about it and can do with it. If they listen to their clients and keep improving things as they usually do, Black Magic might overrun the market very soon. It is actually amazing what they have done. Only thing I am not sure it will perform great and no one is talking about is how well it performs in differetn weather and harsh temperature conditions. I say this cause even the Camcorders aren't really a thing anymore, they are built to last longer on shoots and on high as well as low temperatures which no one talks about. Whereas mirorrless cameras don't perform very well, they overheat fast and stop. and at very low temperatures they stop reacting. Which obviously what high end pro cameras are for in the end. Hence the price and the production. BMPCC and mirrorles and dslrs are more meant for the most normal environments.
Haha we just gave RED the benefit of the doubt... but yes, we're aware of the hate that REDs been getting
@@landonbtw The well deserved hate*
Truthfully, I've never heard of black magic prior to a week ago and, I'm thoroughly impressed.
Wow! I love how cheap really great cameras are getting! Thanks for the review guys!
The BMPCC is a professional camera and not prosumer, Grant petty said this over and over again. Monitoring, the bmpcc monitor is ver color accurate even better that Small HD and Atomos. Wasn’t a balanced comparison. But nice try.
You can use the Blackmagic on a Gimbal, the Red not. One point more for the Blackmagic.
Not true brother lol my g2x tilta can work with red or even ursa lol do your research
I own a Red Gemini and Blackmagic 6k, I use the Red as gimbal camera nearly every time I shoot. Just need the right gimbal - I use a Ronin MX or a Movi Pro, and it is possible to even get it on the Ronin-S (although I don't know why anyone would want to do that).
i dont think i ever seen someone match cameras so well. the footage was virtually identical. job well done. ill save my self $15000 an go with the bmpcc6k
I picked the BMP6K footage for which I liked better.
Guys this was so helpful! My uni have been appalling during lockdown and have given us ZERO lessons or guidance on home revision so content like yours is IDEAL for film students who want to expand their knowledge. Thank you for such insightful, useful content
If we set the same price for both, here it is the real winner
RED : 9 and for the card, monitor and battery capacity should minus 3, total : 6
BMPC6K : 6, + 20 for the price, + 19 for Crash Cam, + 1 memory type, + 1 for battery/price/capacity, + 20 for 20 Live Multicam Camera ? :) ), + 20 for Matrix Visual Effect, etc...lot of more.... so the total is : 20+19+1+1+20+20 = 81...... the conclusion is BMPC6K got 81....and the RED only 6....
Shot with a videographer at a music festival this weekend who used the BMPCC4K on a Mova Air 2 gimbal. He wore his backpack when getting sizzle B Roll and mounted a large battery to his backpack strap with bongo ties and used that to power his camera all night with no problem. Mounting it to his body meant no added weight to the gimbal setup. Genius.
RED is build to last! thats funny
I thought the Black footage was the Red the whole time! Thank you for this vid I'm 100% getting the Black Magic now.
Every draw should be a point for the bmpcc6k imo, considering the price
We'll soon have insane cinema cameras for less then 5k, tech is just getting better! What is most important thing is lighting, that's what makes it cinematic!
So you gave red a point for battery life when comparing the XL battery?? What about the regular battery? And the XL battery costs $350 but the LP-E6 costs about $60? Hmmm
Truly an a great time to be living in! Now truly professional quality filming is the reach of the masses, which mean we'll see the emergence of more interesting Indy filming, and bring in more interesting non mainstream stuff to watch!
PRIVATE i definitely agree with what ure saying, but I guess I am also directing it at those who are talented but somehow can’t afford to buy something better to improve on the final production quality (not tht it is as important as the narative, but it would be nice to see better quality visuals too supported by great story telling) 😊
I feel like giving red the point for being more of a professional camera opposed to the prosumer camera isn't quite fair especially considering that historically reds have been pretty unreliable, at Least up until recently when the standardized the brain and made the sensor the only difference. Just a thought
Lot of people (and filmakers) in the comment section are unable to recognise Red from BMPC in the comparison. For the price difference i'd say you can stop the test here. Means your client, and average viewer won't tell neither, and as a producer you will save loooots of money you could invest in lightning, computer, sliders, sound. That will change all the shape of your work. If you are on a big set you'll still rent a RED but if you are a small company/an independent filmaker BMPC just allowed you to do professional work on your own.
next up: "RED 8K monstrous vs canon rebel sl2"
To be honest when you asked which footage I like best I picked B. The blackmagic camera is awesome.
Well done. But, my BMPCC4K wins hands down for the pro features compared to cameras 40 times its price.
I was shocked at how similar these two look, if it wasn't for fire shot at 1:24 where you can clearly see the smoother highlight roll off from the RED, I was stumped for the majority of this A & B test. Hats off to Black Magic, I am still grabbing for the RED though 😜
I dont even know why im watching this with 10$ in my pocket😐
Because you want to make billion dollar grossing film buddy. 😊👍
The Blackmagic being lighter, you can guess which one is which with the camera shakes, but that's really mindblowing how they look the same, just buy the BM you'll have way more bangs for the bucks.
43 second ❤❤❤ waiting for your videos like series hahah thanks bro
I own the BMPCC 6K. Tilta Cage with Power Handle and 2 Terabyte SSD drive. 3 1/2 hours at 5:1 compression. ($290 each) (Sony big batteries, last about 3 hours.) I have dropped camera! Cage took scratches. Works great. I have Canon Pro lenses which makes it easy to swap lens as I carry a Canon 5Dsr at the same time. Shot in Israel, Egypt, walking miles and hours of carrying. Run and Gun filming. BMPCC 6K + BRAW + DaVinci Resolve a perfect storm! (Adobe Premier, really?) Awesome. Autofoucs is slow, but crisp.
They released an update my g! Now you can open them
I actualyy liked the blackmagic footage in the beginning more than the RED I thought that would be the RED for sure!
None of those cameras have the dynamic range they claim. The Alexa has 14 stops of useable dynamic range and beats the RED by a mile. Typical marketing BS from both companies.
The price kills the comparison, You can buy a (20 BlkMgc Cameras) and shot your footages with 20 angles around surround at the same time 😉
It is killing me seeing those sensors exposed...
Wow. Why didn’t I watch this before buying my XT3. Black magic is so sick.
Black magic cinema camera 6k master Prime lens use please video
I was in absolute awe when it was revealed Red was A when B looked so much better. Red should be shaking in their boots rn.
Half of the screen for words in video comparising? Cmn😂
it's even less
@@fulltimefilmmaker nice)
Not gonna lie, I liked the bottom clip more and therefore thought it was the Red. I was then astonished to find out it was actually the Black Magic.
1:20 in and im calling it for Red (B).
1:47 I was wrong Black Magic was (B)
😭I feel so dirty
I love how Parker is basically a mime throughout the video :P
RED 16 stops of DR 😂
Oh these kids if they only knew what 13.5 stops means.. the pocket btw holds on more into the highlights than your RED if you knew how to use it.
What I found funny was that they concluded the camera wasn’t something they’re going to use because they prefer the DSLR looking footage, ease of use etc etc but that same logic didn’t apply to their RED. What a useless video.
The features hat matter significantly are:
1. RED DR 13.5 vs P6K DR 13.2 at ISO 800 with half of a stop more above the middle gray than RED. So a fn tie on this one.
2. Colour depth, both 12 bit. A fn tie again.
3. Resolution, both 6K. You guessed it. Another fn tie.
4. Frame rates, RED does more. RED wins one.
5. Battery life, both need v mounts or smart power solutions. Tie.
6. Portability. P6K wins
7. Gimbal work. P6K wins
8. Pro sound. P6K has xlr in with phantom power out. P6K wins
9. Screen and monitoring. It’s a tie. They’re both good and if you need to spend as much as you spend for a RED monitor, you’d get a better monitor for the P6K.
10. Reliability. P6K wins. No issues with any of them so far and plenty of issues with RED. Don’t even get me started on that one.
11. Price. Well, P6K wins that one by a long mile.
12. Ethics and prestige. BMD wins that one supporting Indy filmmakers by offering some of the most affordable tools for both production and post production. RED on the other hand is lately proven to be deceitful, lying through their teeth, intimidating all to satisfy what seems to be a spectacular greed.
So, count the points and see who the winner is.
nailed it!
BIG difference in dynamic range means it handles Sunlight much better! For that reason alone worth the money.
I normally not comment on this kind of video but here I am just for clear one thing, you people are extremely crazy not just compare but also giving points for each category. 2500 Dollars VS Red Weapon 6K Daily rent approximately 2000 Dollars more or less. You can compare but no logic to give points to each camera who is the winner. Honestly, I was laughing throw all the time you just gave points. I do love your videos but this time you people have done an extremely funny video to watch.
Let just make it simple 2500 dollars with included DaVinci Resolve License. ready to shoot RAW at just 170 dollars of External SSD is not just amazing? and forget about the dynamic range or Stops. for Low budget shooters, this is way higher then they will ever wish or dream. Now the value exists only the creative ideas and creative minds how to shot the content. this tool is far superior to the one Hollywood Shoot the First Digital Film on Sony HDW F900 making of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones and the digital revolution that infiltrated Hollywood.
I just bought the BMPCC6K because of this video. Thanks.
1:45 BEWARE! you might have to spend a whopping $1000-2000 extra to rig up the 6k which brings you too a grand total of under $5000, so consider that when deciding between $5000 or $50,000 shitty Red overrated camera bahahaha. You guys actually have no idea...
I am with you... if your so possessed to own a RED I would like to know the reasoning when you can rent it? I have a Sony FS7 and 90% of the time I am using a FS5 because it does it just a good and when on the move it works twice as good cause I don't need to break it down or worry about someone mishandling it.
I agree with you they don't know what they're talking
I have a 6k with a rig and that price is totally wrong lol
more like $500-1000 extra on the BMPCC6k (which is by now only 2 grand instead of 2.5)
It is great to demonstrate that the Blackmagic camera can compete with the Red camera for a fraction of the price but many people think the Blackmagic is the end and be all camera. I like that you stated why your camera of choice is the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
By the time the video was at 1:29 I could see there is no justification for the crazy higher price, image quality wise. Good video. Thank for the comparison.
What’s so awesome about this video is it was very educational. As someone trying to learn videography this video taught me a lot about terms and what everything means. Great video guys and thank you!