2021 Sym Symphony ST200 - Owner's Review after 8000 KM
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2022
- After over 6 months of ownership and over 8000 km it's finally time to give you my thoughts on the vehicle I chose as my personal scooter and bought with my own money. A 2021 SYM Symphony ST 200. This is the second generation of the ST and comes with a few very welcomed improvements compared to the previous generation. So join me for a full owners review of this scooter.
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How long do you think until the first problems start to appear?
20 km.
😂
Ι have it about 8 months and no problem yet!!!!
I have had the bike since May 3, 2022. The issues with the wobbling began to appear two weeks ago when I was at 1400kms. I ha e done two services to it. Here in Greece they recommend 500km 1000km 2000km 5000km and so on. It is not the bike because a friend of mine has a "DONNIE," although a different colour, but nevertheless he also has the bobbling issue. He has had his ST 200 since July 2021. I am not sure when he started encountering the issue. Initially I thought is might be either a bearing or a alignment issue, but the mechanic at sym told me if there were other issues the bike would do other things apart from wobbling. SYM here in my part of Greece told me some thing which seems to be proving as a given and that is that the tires they put on at the factory are not the best. Supposedly they are made of nylon. Anyway, I enjoy your videos especially the trip through Europe and the middle east. Take care and be safe.
@@alexandrosmp1 I also recomend changing the tyres. It fixed my wobble when I switched to Michelin city grip 2. There is a video on my channel about the Michelin tyre.
The best reviews ever ! Well done mate.
Thank you :D
Being redundant, but your real time riding reviews, opinions, thoughts & ideas make you a very good sales person. You’re always as positive as possible regarding a product, making your personal criticisms & likes known for others to consider. Great job, (even if my comments are 2 years past due). Take care, ride on. Rola (Oregon / USA)
Great review... Thanks Alex, helped me make my choice.
Thank you!
you're the only one who explained the difference between Symphony 200 and Symphony 200 ST. Well done! 😊👍
Thank you :D
This scooter is almost a twin to the Kymco Agility 200 16+
I have had one since April 2021 - 11000 Km on it.
Your video are always full of good information and worth watching !
Thank you.
Alex: Yes, I am a fan or yours, (with good reason). NOBODY does a product / scooter / bike review like you do, (NOBODY)! I am absolutely captivated by your love of the ST200, (which I know nothing about?), but believe in your thoughts & experience with it! I’ve actually begun to reassess my thoughts of smaller cc bikes / scooters? As always, wishing you the very best. Rola (Oregon / USA).
There's something special about traveling on a small cc bike.
Hi Alex, Great video covering all aspect of living with an ST200. I agree with your comments about tyres. My Euro 5 Fiddle 125 has a less than perfect rear tyre and after 3000 miles is needing changed - like you I’m going for Michelin Citygrip.
In terms of long distances I think think scooters are more than capable of covering long mileage trips. I once took a 125 BMW C1 from Dundee (Scotland) to Rome and back.
My only wish for the ST200 would be that it actually had close to 200cc - then it would be an even better machine.
I too would of liked a bit higher cruising speed but it's ok for now, waiting for the summer to start properly touring with it :D
Foarte fain!!
Hey Alex! Great review! Great video! I’m from Greece and I’m watching your channel often! I have the jet 14 200( same engine as your st 200) my only issue is if the scooter will be ok at the summer time( cause it”s a/c) I’m thinking if I could make a small trip to the beach (100km distance) without face any problem..I wound like your opinion! Keep up the good work. P.S sorry for my English.😀
Go for it, on my channel check out my first road trip with the ST, that day the temperature was above 30 degrees I think and I rode 300km without any kind of problem.
@@RideWithAlex Thank you mate! I’ll go for it…
Looking to buy a scoot for my daily commute.
Great review, I'll check out you're other vids.
Fully Sub'd and greetings from Brisbane Australia
Thank you, glad you liked the video :D
I just bought two michelins for my 2022 125cc jet x because the steering was wobbly, so the dealership suggested to me to put some michelins on.
Hi and ty. I have the same scooter with 2500 km with everyday use. I agree in everything you said . The only thing I want to say is that the capacity of fuel tank is up to 7 lt. I checked it a lot of times filling it when I am on the last red bar and it takes about 6.5 lt. Based on this with my tank full I make about 170 km.
The original tires I changed them immediately cause in the rain are very dangerous.
Maximum i ever filled up was 7.2 liters. I usually calculate that after the fuel light comes on to find a fuel station in a maximum of 25km
My 2022 125cc scooter has 7.5L fuel tank.And I was able to get 250 km in full tank.
Driving mixed roads,not highway though!
Wish it had 10 litre tank that would be great for 400 km.
how much will you say the fuel consumption is?
Thank you again, for all of these details on the scooter. It seems really decent and reliable so far. The only negative thing is the fuel consumption, that considering the current energy crisis and the high prices that followed it, hurts a little bit more than it used to.
Now something irrelevant, do you have any information on the new Sym Joyride 300's, dimensions?
No information on the joyride so far, dimensions for it you can find on the Sym global website
Thank you for this great review. I have the 2022 ST200i and only 1100 km on it still.
I was told i shld change engine oil every 1000 km. And yes, the stock tires are horrible. But i cannot find this windshield you have. But i will continue looking.
I did my first service at 500km and after that i change the oil every 2500km. The windshield is a Givi 7067A and the mount is Givi A7067A
@@RideWithAlex thank you so much. Most of my driving are nearby my house. Rarely highway. Lots of uphills though. I guess i will stick to 1500 km oil change. Then 2000 from there forward
Great work as always, I want to buy this summer the Sym Jet X and i want to know if the Romanian scooters market is affected by the Microcips sortage , or i just need to get to the store and buy it from there?
It's best to check the stock in advance, we try to keep on top of the shortages by ordering containers to keep in stock, currently we still have 2 or 3 units in stock but I don't know when the next shipment is due.
🇩🇿 merci beaucoup pour votre superbe présentation 😍 🙋🏻♂️🛵
Great work. Well done mate. What is the service interval on this one? Is there a difference in comparison with the 125cc one? Thanks a lot. Got my like.
Here service interval is 2500km for all 125cc's and also this 169cc.
Well-prepared video, thanks
Thank you! :)
@@RideWithAlexHi Alex how many km you do with one tank??
@@B.GAS. I usually refuel at 160-190km I think it would go a bit over 200 before it actually goes dry.
@@RideWithAlex You got this numpers from the beginning or after the 1000 km??
@@B.GAS. Can't remember. I did the first 1000 km in the first week of owning it almost 3 years ago. Now it has 43.000km on the clock.
Alex hi! Great review. Could you answer what about engine vibration? How does it feel?
It vibrates a bit more then a regular 125cc. It doesn't bother me.
Hi handsome. I'm enjoying your videos. More please, add a "buy me a coffee" link. Question. Do you recommend a 2022 Honda adv150cc as a second scooter? I had a tao tao 49cc that would not start. Thanks for your time.
It's a good option, and it would be much more reliable then a 49cc Tao Tao :)
Thanks so much for your detailed review. I’m in the market for either this scooter or the Kymco People S 150. I live in Sydney, Australia and my riding will be a combination of inner city riding but also some main roads and free ways (90km/h-100km/h speed limits). Time spent on such roads wouldn’t exceed 15-20 minutes at a time.
On paper, the Kymco says it has a 10kw engine 150cc, and the Sym is 9kw and 169cc…do you have a view on which one will handle the freeways better?
Unfortunately I haven't ridden the Kymco si I can't say.
Alex, what do you finf of the headlight strength. Worth to put a stronger bulb. At night, I find it a bit a strange light strenght...Thanks !
You can't change the bulb on this model. Low beam is a bit close but high beam is perfect for me.
Nice review, I have is the Jet 14 200. How is the change oil? Did you happen to have a warning for Oil check (currently in the Odo I have 3,800 km) in the dash, can I remove it by myself? How?
Yes, search my channel for oil check light rest, I have 2 short videos on the subject
Hey bro! Greetings from Greece!
I d like you to tell me if the seat of the previous Symphony 200 model is fitting on the new symphony st 200 model. Thanks
No, they are different.
Can u pls tell me if this mat color is a problem with the scratches?I have ordered the same. Thanks.
Not really, I haven't had a problem with it, I do have a couple of scratches on it from off-roading :)))) but otherwise it's ok
Aa you are great rider bro,how many km do you have on your klock now after all tours?
Donnie has 32.000 km now
Great review, Alex. I bought it a few days ago, and my concerns are regarding its vibrations while I am waiting in the traffic lights and with the bad rear suspensions when I have a passenger with me. It reads every road anomaly, and the big hits came when I passed over a dip in the road's surface. Have you ever replaced those rear suspensions?
Nope, I just set the preload to max and it helped a bit.
@@RideWithAlex Thanks1 Is it easy to change the preload?
@@sakissalonika you can do it with a screu driver but you've never done this before tell them at the next service.
how does it fare up to the Jet x? the spec sheet makes it seem like with the Jet x you just get a free effecey boost and cooling. where even tho it's less CC it got the same Torque and HP? I wonder assuming this is true, that makes Symphony200 absolute or we just need until the revamp the model to get better specs?
The 200 has a bit more low end torque and it helps through the city it has more get up and go especially if you have a pillion on the back.
Hi Alex! Where have you purchased the windshield? Thanks and best regards from Serbia
It's a kappa windscreen, we have them here at the local dealership. The entire system is about 150 euro. Check with your local SYM Dealership. If they work with the same Greek importer, Gorgolis, he has windscreens for the ST, both medium height and tall ones like mine. It may take a couple of weeks for the order to come through but it should work. If not, find the Givi/Kappa importer in Serbia and they can bring you one like mine. Even if they don't have it advertised. The Kappa product codes are: mount - 7067A / windscreen - A7067A
@@RideWithAlex Thanks! I have just bought the ST125 , after having Jet 14 125 for just 300km. I just like more classic design (call me old-fashioned if you like 😊)
@@gilesmederevonovisad enjoy it, and keep your eye on this channel for some big adventures with the ST, I'm leaving for a big trip in about a month with the ST
Hi there ✋🏼
Do you know (maybe from someone else) if vibrations are common also for the 125 ST model?
125 vibrates less
@@RideWithAlex
Thank you 👍🏼
I have the same colour and i have some scratches on paint. Do you know the colour code? I need to get some to cover them.
No i don't, i just ignore the scrstches on myne 😂
Hi Alex
I have an ST200 - 2018 model thire was some problem week light it was hallogen
Does led fix it
Second is gas float give wrong reading is it still same in new model
Accept my greetings
From Egypt
You can try led but I don't know what the results will be, about the fuel indicator I have no problem with myne.
Te salut! Un review foarte bun, felicitări! Am o întrebare legată de modelul asta, dar capacitatea de baza, 50 cc. Strict pentru drumuri de oraș, casa - munca și alte drumuri prin București, cum crezi ca s-ar descurca? Ar trebui sa ma uit la altceva, tot in aceasta capacitate? Service-ul la aceasta firma este bun? Mulțumesc și succes in continuare cu acest canal!
Primul scuter a fost un ST de 50 luat nou în 2019 (modelul anterior) cu care am făcut pe livrări în 18 luni 46.000km (da da 46 de mii 😂) se descurca bine pe București îți faci treaba cu el fără probleme.
@@RideWithAlex la kilometrii ăștia chiar merita sa pui gepeleu.
Am văzut la italieni kit uri gpl pentru scooter
@@dangregorian7751 la 3.5% consum chiar nu ma uit după GPL, prefer spațiul de depozitare :)) și app acum are 17.000km
@@RideWithAlex stai ca îmi da bujia în scurt. Avea 46 și acum are 17...
@@dangregorian7751 Ala de 50cc avea 46 cand l-am vandut anul trecut si l-am luat pe asta nou de 200.
salut care e diferenta intre racire pe lichid vs racire pe aer
E prea lung sa scriu în comentarii dar ma gândesc sa fac un video despre asta pentru ca subiectul e foarte larg și sunt multe preconcepții greșite.
Ciao Alex, come mai ha voluto scegliere il 200 e non il 125 ? Visto che molti reputano migliore il raffreddamento a liquido? Quale sarebbe la differenza sostanziale?
Vorrei differenziarmi dalla massa, prendendo un sym e non il solito SH o Piaggio, credo che andrebbe bene, lo uso per lavoro, soprattutto d'estate dove c'è più traffico del solito( vivo su un'isola)
L'unico dubbio che ho è sull'assistenza ( garanzia,ricambi,)
I chose the 200 for the extra torque and because I got a great deal on it because it was the 200. Normally the 125 liquid cooled is the one we sell the most and i think it's the better one. More fuel efficient and the same power. But now i have the 200 and I'm not going to sell it to buy a 125. I'll stick with this one :)
@@RideWithAlex thanks, think i will go for 125 then
@@DavideRK92 it's the one I recommend the most, it's just a much more modern engine.
@@RideWithAlex also the rear wheel of the 125, does not adhere well in the rain?
@@DavideRK92 I changed my tyres to Michelin city grip 2, I didn't like the stock tyres especially the rear one in the wet was very slippery
I just bought sym symphony ST 200i, ABS 2022.
How did you solve the steering wheel vibrations?
When I take off the suitcase there are no vibrations.
I changed to front tire to a Michelin city grip 2 and it worked
Goran, you mean vibrations on idle speed which disappear when you accelerate;
I bought a 2023 Sym symphony ST 200 and when I sit, vubrations on idle speed becomes stronger! When i get up, vibrations goes down!!
And i hear sounds from the bag like rattlesnake!!! 😲
Any ideas; Thanks,
@@petrosmpampalis6097
Yes, but they say it's normal on any single cylinder engine.
And the vibrations on the steering wheel stopped after changing the tires.
big greetings from Serbia, I want to ask you what motor oil you put in your scooter and how many km you change the oil, thank you
I use Sym branded oil and change it every 2500km
@@RideWithAlex Yes, but what viscosity, 10w40, 5w40..that's what I meant..thanks 😅
@@ivanpn79 10w40
@@RideWithAlex that's what I wanted to ask, thank you very much 👍
Alex, un scuter mai puternic dar cam in acelasi gabarit, adica nu un maxi, la ce model te-ai gandit?
Nu prea exista, pe sasiurile astea mici nu cele mai puternice motoare sunt 15-16 cai atât. Pe vremuri făcea Aprilia modelul Leonard 300 care e o chestie hilara și stupida în același timp, mare cât un scuter se 49 dar cu motor de 300 😂
Ah, și am uitat ar mai fi vespa de 300 dacă te tine portofelul sa dai 6-7k euro
@@RideWithAlex ma mai uitam la SH300i
@@raresvintea1 Honda sh300 este ca dimensiune cât hd300 de la Sym are dimensiuni de aproape maxiscuter.
Where you by windshield for this model ?
It's a GIVI windshield, just talk to stores selling GIVI accessories.
www.givi.it/my-motorcycle/bike/sym/symphony-st-50-125-200-21
Nice video.How can i take off the top box?thnx
With the key, you unlock it and then you push in the bottom part with the key hole
@@RideWithAlex thnx alex👍
Buna Alex. Cum se descurca cu doi pasageri? 87 kg + 65 kg?
Destul de ok, am mers doar odată vreo 15km cu greutatea aia și pt ture scurte e ok, pentru ture mai lungi as preîncărca suspensia pentru ca el din fabrica vine pe setarea medie.
@@RideWithAlex Multumesc pentru raspuns, as mai intreba doar cum e scuterul pentru cineva care are 185 cm inaltime?
@@alfasales3919 Trebuie sa il incerci in perosana, depinde tie cum iti place sa stai fiecare are preferinte, unii vor sa stea cu picioarele intinse altii nu ii deranjeaza sa stea in pozitia clasica de scuter (ca pe scaun). Trebuie sa il incerci sa vezi daca iti place.
At the same price will you chose ST 125 over ST 200? Performances seem the same
Considering I allready bought the ST200 and have over 40.000km with it, it's pretty clear which one I prefer 😁
Hello from Greece, I bought a used sym ,3000 km on odometer,and I feel vibrations when the engine runs and I'm stop,even more when I'm with 2 person,.Are the vibrations reduced when the engine make more km,or this is the way it works???????
It has some vibrations at idle but take it to a mechanic to check it.
@@RideWithAlex I go and he told that the scooter is still new with low km and the vibrations are going to be less when the km is more.
@@teodor922 It's ok then
Βγάλε τό βαλιτσακι κ δοκίμασε το..
Επίσης,ισως φταίνε τά λάστιχα.
Σπάνια φταίνε ρουλεμάν... Γεια σας, αδέρφια, 🇬🇷✝️🗡️🇬🇷 Edit: Sorry.. i forgot its a foreign site! Put out the bike's luggage and test without it. Also, sometimes tyres are the guilty! Very rarely, its the bearings! Practically there's no chance to be the bearings.
Thanks,
what do you think of buying st 2018 20k mileage
If it has a proper service history it's a good buy.
Hey alex.can i open the seat with the engine on?
Hey, unfortunately no, because the seat opener is from the key.
@@RideWithAlex i hoped there is something.one little bad thing to this scooter.thnx 👍
Does this 200cc engine, consume oil?
Depends how you use it, on the highway at top speed yes it does, through the city it doesn't
I have it 2 weeks now and only positive i have to say For this scooter.. Any tips For the first 1000 km?
Just take it easy on it. I did my brake in service at 500km when I changed the engine and transmission oils, after that fun and games. And my service intervals are every 2500km. It's going to be a bit challenging for me this summer because I am planning trips longer than 2500km so I will have to do oil changes on the road :)
@@RideWithAlex wow long trip..i hope its ok to drive long distances because is a/c but i read some of your comment that you drive in 40 deg without a problem so i buy it without second thought i do about 60 klm per Day and its perfect
@@tasoskavvadas6913 haven't had any kind of problems with engine heat, and in the summer at 40 degrees Celsius I did try to overheat it by riding like an idiot for about 5-6 hours while doing deliveries and I couldn't.
@@RideWithAlex thats good to know.. So thank u For the answear. Have a Safe and long rides 👍
Τασο αλλαξε τα λαστιχα αμεσα. Και προσεχε το μαρσπιε του συνοδηγου .εμενα την 2η μερα εσπασε
2 things i dont like about the new model:they removed the locked glovebox in the front and the rev counter from the dash.
I am happy to trade the locked glove box for twice the under seat storage, and the Rev counter I do miss it as something to look at in reality in a scooter you don't really use it since the transmission is automatic. There is a way to have a Rev counter though and obd scanner, I've tried it and it works perfectly
@@RideWithAlex Im thinking about buying a Sym scooter this year,im oscilating between the Symphony St and the Jet 14,i like the looks of the Jet better,but the ST has more luggage space,the 125 LC and the 200 AC engines,i presume are the same on both models
@@CristiBucerzan yes the engines are identical, both the 125 l/c and the 200a/c. And about chowing between them, the jet looks better and has more leg room, the ST is much more practical. So depends what you want from it, I chose the practicality.
@@RideWithAlex Do you know anything about the reliability of the LC vs AC ? In theory the AC beeing a simpler engine with 2 valves and air cooling,should me more reliable,then the more complex LC.
@@CristiBucerzan tbh, I bought the 200 for less complexity and better reliability, but then again I have seen jet 14 lc from 2019 with over 50.000km that haven't had any kind of problems with them. Maybe I chose it because 200 sounds better then 125 😂
Привет парни, у нас в России кризисов никаких нет. Тоже себе заказал сим 200
Good for you.
Seems to me it is like my SYM Fiddle 4 but with bigger wheels and a more sporty look.
It's a different frame from the fiddle 4
@@RideWithAlexcan’t be to different with the gas tank in the same place.
@@rickiejacobs5910 the wheels and the entire geometry of the frame make quite a difference.
How much in greece st200
Check with your local dealer
I think that the back tyer is 14inch
It's a 14 inch rim on the back with a fat tyre and has the same circumference as the front 16 does.
This scooter for people 190cm tall? This or kymco people 200i?
At that height you have to sit on them and see how you like them
I m on that height, no problems with st although i would prefer if the seat cutt for the passenger was a little cm father back.
Yeah, when it comes to tires sym has cut corners, are only good to go to the tire shop and only if it's dry out.. Be careful guys.
Is this the same as the kymco but relabelled?
It has nothing in comon with kymco.
Too many vibrations in neutral, waiting for the green! I suppose the little bag plays it's role..
Bad sense of flash lever!
Corn could be better!
Alex, can you suggest any measures to diminished the vibrations and when i sit, the vibration sound from the bag is awful and becomes more intense!!
How can i improve this? Any ideas;
No ideea mine also vibrates, I just listen to music in my helmet.
@@RideWithAlex Thanks! You think that if I remove bag, vibration will come down; A little bit maybe?
From the shop they said that bag needs some kind of tape which diminish the sound from vibrations..
Thanks,