Learn Starcraft - Macro Battlecruiser Build Order Guide! (Terran vs Zerg)
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"I dont demand his respect I just demand his ladder-points" XD words to live by
a g I’m gonna quote him on that
lmfao
All you have to do now winter is face serrall and take his ladder points XD
Whats the best defense zerg units against high value air units of terrans and toss?
@@StaglyMusic lots of Queens, and eventually Corruptors and Vipers for abduct. Throw in some Infestors to restrict movement and tactical jump.
Ezpz win
5:02 What a gentleman! Moves them lings back to let you close that wall :)
Actually he screwed up by clicking on the scv building the depot, which in some fortuitous turn of events, is closer to the outside edge of the depot.
@@yp8495 woosh
Great vid! Thanks for the build guide without the raw numbers, I actually appreciate the more general build order than an exact science. It's an art!
My BC build is similar except I just build BC, hellion, marine. Mainly to maximize gas to BC and upgrades as I go. I call it my Terran Navy build. I focus on killing expansion workers and gas production.
BC on hotkey 3, marine/hellion on 1 and raven or whatever odd units (like thor) for niche situations on 2.
GG! I just started practicing Terran yesterday 😄 love this battlecruiser build!!
3:00, zerg has three bases... meanwhile I'm at 6:00 "got my first marine out!"
I actually LOL'd at this...
Wings of Liberty build making a comeback! xD
2 base reactor hellion into cattlebruiser; trolling the masters league meta since 2010.
Time to try
Hey winter this build has been so helpful!!!!
insurgent enjoy dude! All what I wishing to Terran players who’s trolling ppl with this shit is that all player type in GG to Terran players like this and leave the game. Keep pissing them off until they will get that this tactic is OP and bullshit and you shouldn’t use at all. Let all the Terran player to play only against AI or against Terran. Than it’s will be fixed ! Let’s elder how Terran can deal with his own shit! I’m very curious
Its 2020 still works very well. Thanks!
What scare me most is the way these zergs can assemble impressive army in a blink of an eye, even under extreme pressure
that's why they have the name "zerg"
SaintApoc
What does that have to do with it
@Pietro Tavares you need to inject hatcheries too.. thats not really easy when youre trying to spread creep and getting harassed so nahh..
I'm new to sc2, this channel and watching pro matches are what I'm learning from. Very helpful.
Edit: How do you view the replays like that? The default replay viewer in game doesn't show the opponent's resources/units.
Winston Smith
Default replay should show opponent resources in the top right. Hit D to show production in the top left or U to show units
Thanks, I've only watched one replay, so I could be wrong. Thanks.
It is in top left, it's a pull down menu that starts off saying "none" if you click that the pull down lists all things you can see plus their hotkeys..like D for production as zaxton said, and lots of others too
excellent content
Would like a link to this monster cat playlist really like it! Great video!
seeing this after the viking drop, think a good strap on for this build is scvs in a medivac to keep the BC going
Abdulaziz Luqman or u can just call down mules to repair
this is easy to counter, if the terrain player almost doesn't have any units ... then it should be obvious that hes doing some kind of cheese in their case its a bc cheese, where they are russian rushing b idni nihui cyka blyt, you can put down a hydra den a spire go up to lair tech get the grooved spines and muscular auguments upgrades for the hydras,
if they loose the bc when it jumps its over for them. also you can just attack them while theyre trying to build up to late game tech like, put down a hatchery outside their base they literally have no units in the build theyre doing till at least 6 minutes.
just sacrifice some drones for spores, and spines for the helions and use buildings to block the paths in.
1 you loose if you dont figure out that they have too few units (you dont necessarily have to scout the fusion core)
2 you win if you dont let the bc escape
if they are building turrets and tanks in their base this means that they are not building additional bcs
if they are using warp drive offensivly it means they dont have it for defense. killing the fusion core may prevent more bcs but you can stop the first one from popping by killing the starport in time... it takes almost 3 mins to build a bc
Winter you, sir, make me wanna play starcraft
Go play it then, it's free.
Ya know the only problem with videos like this is since its gone up i have run into almost nothing other than this build. There arent that many people thatvplay anymore and i think most of the people below master level just build whatever winter does
Hi Winter are you using new skin for your units?
want more builds like this for protoss aimed for plat =) been grinding with chargelot, immortal archon into carrier , chargelot archon comp pretty well but need moar builds :D
Every build works in plat my dude. Take the freedom while you still can :D
you can get to plat without a single drop of gas. don't over complicate your life with complex build orders before you get down the most basic of macro mechanics.
80 probes and make literally anything you want to win.
@@BurgMusic yeaa but that tends to teach bad habbits which are hard to weed out later on. so might as well start learning correct stuff instead of wrong ones
@@sepfirem Try this build;
13 pylon, 15 forge, 16 pylon, 16 cannon, 16 pylon, 16 pylon, 16 gate, 16 cannon, 16 cancel gate and pylon, 16 pylon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon, 16 cannon
How do I deal with this from the zerg perspective?
And no, "scounting it" is not consistent because viking first is a thing and even if I do I want to know the appropiate reaction, "Not expand and stay on two bases" just puts you on a timer to be forced to all in if the terran is not a potato and gets a third. Zergs need to be ahead in bases, they are designed with that premise in mind. Corruptors and infestors come out later than the first BC hits and then leave you vulnerable to ground attacks. I don't want to be forced to all in because my opponent made a BC.
How many queens should I build up and queue up if I scout a fusion core in production? And what should I cut from my build to afford those queens while droning adequately to stay ahead in workers? What support units do I need for the queens (banelings, roaches)? How many spores and how to distribute them along my bases? What do I do if my overlords get hunted down by the viking and I cannot scout it, how can I play in a way that does not make me lose if a BC suddenly warps in my base but does neither leave me behind economically?
I think that it comes down to not over reacting to the threat. Some Zerg players at the pro scene hold a lot of early aggression with queens. Like 8-10 with transfuse micro can be pretty hard to beat. If you cut anything cut the ling production. They are the worst thing you could make because they don’t counter hellion or Bc’s. However investor fungle and banes is what vibe says counters the hellions and cyclones. I’m not a Zerg player, but from the Terran perspective this would render the bc’s and hellion push less effective, and having the right units latter on as before mentioned can help. Of course the other units like hydra roach and corruptor as well can help. Apologies if this information is all wrong, just my two cents.
Banelings bust seems good.
It's pretty simple; just all in the terran on 2 bases.
Traditionally at 5~6 minutes terran's pretty weak, (that's why they send out the marine drop/hellion/banshee to keep the opponent at home), and with another 150/150 in fusion core and probably 150/100 in armory, plus in Winter's case however many factories that's in the process of building, there's not going to be much of an army except maybe a few hellions/marines.
And it takes forever for a BC to kill 15 roaches, so at the VERY least you bought a lot of time. Better yet, without micro on both sides queens+spores vs BC and roaches vs scv+some marines/hellions are both zerg favored.
I'd love to not be forced to all in because the opponent makes a fusion core. Thats why I asked for ways to answer it without all-inning or heavily crippling my own economy. If the only good answer to a build is "all in the opponent" well, then we might have a problem here. I don't think BC rush is a problem, thus there has to be a way to macro out of the situation via the correct response.
I definitely know that if I get into a stage where I get out infestors, corruptors and the likes I can deal with them with ease, and once I'm at the stage that I can have neural parasite infestors then each BC just serves to empower my own army, or a critical mass of corruptors that can transition into broodlord-corruptor-infestor-viper late game composition completely invalidates BCs at that point, but the problem is not there. The problem is getting there without taking extreme damage in the process or severly crippling my own economy. Basically, answering the second paragraph in my original question should completely solve all my poblems.
There has to be a way to macro out of a BC opener while maintaining a typical ZvT worker lead that the races are designed around. If not, the BC rush is just broken and I don't believe it to be the case. Every push/pressure/all in can be held with a safe economy lead via defender's advantage, so my second paragraph basically asks how to do that. I know I can hold it if I make 6 extra queens and 3 spores per base, but that already is 9 drones "dead", 900 minerals in spores and 900 more minerals in queens. At that point the BC would not even need to warp in to have paid for itself. Even if you assume i'd put a spore in each mineral line either way so the first 3 spores don't count, well, thats still 600 minerals in spores, 300 in dead drones and 900 in queens, already plenty more than the commitment of the terran and all of that still without counting that minerals are a limiting resource in that even if still mining gas, mining 3*minerals of a terran player at that point of the game is almost impossible.
The terran spends 550/450 in resources dedicated to the battlecruiser, highballing the gas to be 2x minerals, we have that I get to spend about 1450 minerals to hold without them being a limiting resource. Lets say 1500. I did not count the armory here in the same fashion that I'm not counting the 3 additional spores before. How do I distribute these minerals to hold the BC without taking any damage? (If I spend the exact same cost then I expect to come out on top because of the defender's advantage, which in this case should mean no damage). Count each spore as a 150 cost instead of 100 because I need to replace the drone spent for it by the way.
@@VICHEL1 Another way is to pop out a lot of corruptors (around 6~10) soonish if you throw down the spire the moment you see a fusion core, and pee down a CC, fusion core, or just some productions, whatever isn't covered by turrets, after you deal with the BC. Hellions can't shoot up and the handful of marines take too long to kill them to save the CC if you cross your pee streams hard enough.
Ah yes the classic Walking bathtub filled with napalm trick
TB would be proud
Hi Winter, may I ask where you get your background music? ;)
he creates his own mixes. you can find them at www.mixcloud.com/wintersc
...between a Rock and a hard place!
I am not quite sure, why he exchanges the bonus damage against light units of the Hellions against area damage of the Hellbats (no blueflame upgrade) during his push with the first BC (@ 5:55). With a little bit of micromanagement he could have done more damage here with hellions - Or?
Whats your opinion on using a muel to repair your bc's instead of wasting warp jumps to continue harassing and prevent repairs/defences?
I'm a new player, and I don't profess to be good at the game. I'm just curious if the lost minerals typically pay off in value with harassment.
not good for general, but good before something decicive happenes. for example, "i need these 2 bcs there, repaired, in 30 seconds, then i can win the game", then do it.
otherwise, the mules mineral loss is too high. just flying back a little, coming to a meeting point with 5 scv is another viable option. (both go ~15 seconds will be enough at most maps)
@@arankoka 90% of the time, reparing the bc with a muel during combat, or just outside of their base, prevents them from being able to build tech. They are forced to respond to it and you're almost guarunteed to get worker kills. If a muel is worth 270 minerals, and you do more than 270 minerals worth of damage, theoretically its worth it isn't it?
Neural Parasite is the counter. Is hard to kill infestors back of all the zerg army
Ricardo Rios and Than you Just defending and struggling in the whole match time to deal with queens with bc which have 3 armor and 550 hp.. bc it’s OP and killing this “”””””balanced””””” shit game...
@@Delaro83 Zerg players had killed my BCS with my own Yamatos. Defendig their infestors with hydras
Ricardo Rios dude if u get this bc rush in early 3rd mins u don’t have that spell and hydra are slow or small range.. both are cancer for Zerg so no matter an inferstor with no energy and no spell... it’s doesn’t help
can we get some look/winter gaming videos, y'all are my favs
lowko*****
What about bio+crusiers?
Is this build working in 2020 after the battle cruiser changes?
Is this innovation's build ?
Very helpful. You could turn down the music a bit. I’m liking and subscribing.
How can i put that white color in my units? Plz some one can help?
Can you do a video on how to defend as a zerg against BC's? I've been having a hard time with TvZ and its usually BC's.
try with early aggression, they can not counter it easily
cheese and harassment, bc be expensive zerlings are cheap
2 spores each base and a few extra queens defend battlecruisers
Or early attack roaches/zerglings is excellent at punishing bc openings
late game infestors nural/fungal is great for locking down and killing bc
@@mattr791 Thanks. I'll try that.
zaceron bullshit dude. Zerglings are not able to break the Terran wall at all. And also zerglings are not useful against bc until they can’t “catapult” each other’s to attack bc with 150 dps... you have only one chance! Be prepared from the first second for bc rush and keep your fingers cross it’s will be happen and your built is good. Otherwise your entire gaming time will be just struggle and trying to still alive.. and that’s not fun. Why is queens can’t be teleporting too? Teleporting to anywhere on the map with 550 hp and 3 armor? This tactic is bullshit and ppl who using are trash..
can someone tell me what's the best way to switch factory and barrack? e.g. at 2:50
Winter TvP build please!
Wait. You can swap other buildings expansions?!
Zombie Lord & Savior .....yes...? Lol
Ay, I better win with this Kappa :0
i just quit playing zerg after the bc buff lol, not gonna bother with them bcs
I was opening 1 gas -> barracks -> CC -> eng bay --> planetary fortress, , with which you can get a quick third... I am too new from old school where if you expand into your natural you will be rushed. ...are the maps a lot bigger or something...
Now i finally understand why terrans at my league sove BCs so much. They all doing it wrong and easily countered, i got 500 mmr because of you, thx winter
How do I beat this as zerg
New player here. Can you repair your cruisers and if so, how?
SCV can repair the cruisers. Use multiple to repair quicker.
So what are the thors supposed to do? Probably g2a, but couldn't cyclones take care of that?
Lobster
Cyclones can only lock onto a unit 5 range away. After that their "leash" extends to 12 range or whatever. If the corruptors are microed well, very few lock ins will hit.
As opposed to thors which have their long range at all times, they're much more threatening to corruptors.
@@zaxtonhong3958 and a few roaches won't force 3 thor away as easily as 6 cyclones.
Floating 1000-2000 minerals the entire game but still wins.. this build is OD
For mech gas is way more important than minerals
@@dragossuteu3095 Truh
Please... how do i can change my color of my units...😢
Alt F
Did somebody protocol what hes doin?
Not sure if i got everything right😅
no doubt this is strong but i think itts mostly cuz zerg doesnt know how to counter it... yet. enjoy while it lasts!
If i suck at microing the clones what should i build?
siege tanks and thors?
practice microing imo there is no replacement for good control at higher levels
@@theSato I mean you don't have to have good micro to get to high levels(you can't be too bad either) Winter did a guide where he got to masters with less than 100 apm. I'm at diamond 1 with an average of around 80 apm.
Moar hellbats and some tanks/thors, but mostly hellbats. It worked for me, and I'm a f2 amove kind of guy.
How to counter mass battlecruisers as a toss?
Indy7272
Guardian shield+stalkers into void rays into tempests
cannon rush
@@zaxtonhong3958 same way you deal with any air.
Don't let him get the tech.
if you scout an early gas, or an early base.
Punish him for it.
Then again, this build will punish zergs for being so greedy.
Althought im not looking forward to the timings and all-ins that that counter this.
@@takunveritas Mass tempests.
Monobattle tempest hard counters monobattle battlecruisers.
And since tempests are fast and outranges everything, unless terran also massed vikings you'll be MUCH more protected by your ground support than BC.
in early game just stalkers or void rays, anyways tempests are the best against bc, when i have shield batteries in the base usually i do not lose any single units and killing that first bc with no problem
UPgrade to blue flames yo.
How do you counter this build as Zerg?
early atack, as he said he had not much units in early game whike he gone into high tech, only few helions, and thats probably the best solution
and it late game infestors are amazing for it
I invented this stratergy myself before battlecruisers were improved and it still had a very high win rate.
how counter it?
scout and stop trying to expand and get up some kind of counter before they're too far ahead
@WinterStarcraft "WESG Ukraine - Losers Round 2 Match 2: DIMAGA (Z) vs ZipperTheFly (T)" could be interesting for you on this build
Huzzah! No longer shall banelings shit on my face
still applies in 2020?
Its not a good game if i dont win :p
Nah not too much info, I watch on x2 and it's fine.
this build completely relies on the zerg player being too greedy and overextending and not attacking while also not not going for the late game units. so that means it works not because you are good at sc2 but because they are bad
so I got a "cancer" at the end of the game from a plat zerg instead of a gg even better than nothing XD those salty plat zergs
Yves Rubin it’s cuz ur in plat. Plat players are trash lol
zergs are overpowered
so what your telling me to do is place down a starport before a factory? dude, you alright?
been losing to this strat everygame it seems to be all people do now...yet people tell me this game is balanced. Im confused.
Terran have too many cost effective, one unit does all options. Yeah BCs are expensive but it takes 5 hydras to beat a BC and that’s if they don’t Yamato. 5 hydras cost more and can’t just teleport away and be repaired.
We are not even talking about siege tanks yet. Terran is an OP joke if you ask me.
Zerg is easy to beat vs Terran. Protoss is the real issue here
wow i dont enjoy the music
Super gay music in the background of such a great game. Sad.
Thank Bro! Zerg is too insolent today... its very difficult play macro by terran against all imba sh*t like muta carraptrs & broodlords. Zerg very fast changes the composition of the troops and I think about one question - why terrans doesnt have air counter unit against carraptors & voidrays, kiting vikings non effective.
Sh*tzzard -bring back valkyria!
It turns out that an ordinary player cannot play Terran well, because you need to invent too much. Terran race for elite only wTF? Every patch terrans sucks
Ketroc's method is better
man, isn't it great that Battlecruisers aren't a meme anymore?
now if only Brood War air units (sans Mutalisk) could stop being a meme..
Very informative tyvm. Only thing I disliked was having to listen to singing/music in background it’s distracting 🤦🏻♂️
hey could you turn down the music so we can actually hear you talk
I feel ya, i dont demand your gg
Ill be sitting on the cases igl ladder page looking for your report
Warcraft2 still played
Server.war2.ru
Freedownload and multiplayer server
Please put StarCraft *2* in your title or thumbnail to help people looking for StarCraft 1 content
no pause replay , please
Winter, you watch Entrepreneurs in Cars? Smash the like button!
this is so gay tacktik
Turn off your fuckinh music can't hear myself lose
It’s so sad.. so far I thought chess and Starcraft are the games which are balanced. But no. I was wrong. It’s only chess is the fair game. Starcraft are 💩. BC can teleport to any blind spot. 550 HP 3 armor (basic) mean this game is not fair anymore. Just try out that keep building bc and you win. My opinion is this tactic is absolutely unfair and Terran players must be play only against terran. Than it’s will be fair again. Telling you 5 queens are not enough to stop this. Cuz bc can just fly away to your main or to your expand when the same time you just running with 5 queens which have 3 dps against bc. Ppl saying than keep rush! So you mean guys as a Zerg you shouldn’t use anymore anything else unless is zergling and/or roach for early attack... bullshit! This game is not balanced anymore. Even the world championship Serral was losing against this tactic.. I think it’s explain a lot. Starcraft 2 = 💩💩
Nah you're just a salty bronze lmao.