German vs Dutch vs Flemish | Can they understand the German Language?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 23. 05. 2024
- How similar are German vs Dutch vs Flemish? We run a mutual intelligibility experiment to find out.
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12:04 - 3. Word
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#German
As a native Arabic speaker I understood about 0% of their conversation
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It would be interesting to have a Maghrebi Arabic speaker from Morocco or Algeria and a speaker of vernacular Arabic from the East and see if the eastern Arabic speaker can understand Maghrebi vernacular.
I'd love to see a German dialects episode. Plattdeutsch vs bavarian vs. Kölsch vs. Swiss german
I would not call Plattdeutsch a dialect. Plattdeutsch/Niederdeutsch is a language on its own. At least, that is, what my local Germanists said. But I have to admit that there is no clear border between a language and a dialect.
Nevertheless it would be interesting.
But there are ThĂŒringisch, Bavarian, Alemannisch and FrĂ€nkisch as german dialects, which are divided in middle and upper. And there is also a lower FrĂ€nkisch, which contains the Region of Cologne, the Netherlands, Luxemburg and Belgium. The other lower german language is lower Saxon, which again is divided into several dialects, e.g. Westfalian and the language around Hamburg. Furthermore there is the Frisian language. And the language changes from village to village with only a few real borders like between Frisian and Niederdeutsch and at some places between Niederdeutsch and, Mittel- and Oberdeutsch. So the older theory of dividing languages doesn't fit. It is better to speak of a continuum, with a few exceptions like Frisian and the more artificial languages of NiederlĂ€ndisch and Hochdeutsch. The last two did not evolve naturally, which means, that, where they are spoken, there is still another dialect.
So, I guess, it will be complicated to work out, which dialects to compare with each other. And there are other points to consider: For example the dialect around Hamburg is very popular, but Westfalian has still a lot of words and grammar, which disapeared in other dialects, sometimes centuries ago. And should an endangered dialect be shown or one with many speakers?
Well, perhaps Westfriesisch, Nordfriesisch and Saterfriesisch would be a start. (And don't forget the Slavic and Romance languages situated within the german language continuum. Those are interesting, too.)
I hope, a solution will be found, since this videos are very interesting.
Mich hat immer fasziniert, dass die, die noch richtig Platt konnten, recht genau sagen konnten, woher ein Sprecher kam.
Swiss German isn't even a dialect it's just a different language xD. I can't even understand written Schweitzer dĂŒĂŒtsch.
@@johanneswestman935 Lmfao we shouldn't call it Swiss German. We should just call it Swiss language.
Ahhh, this was great! Please include Afrikaans next time! Flemish, Dutch, and Afrikaans would be fascinating.
Yes, I'd love to see that!
as a flemish person who travelled in South Africa, I noticed if we speak slowly and articulate well we can understand each other. The issue is with some words that are completly different.
An Wilamovian!
Yeah I was just gonna say where mah Afrikaans
Dialects from Limburg! There are a mix from alle three. That would be funny! There is a Belgian , Dutch and German Limburg... I live in Dutch Limburg, so I fully understand Flemish, German, and Dutch ( obviously). Sadly nothing learned, buy still very funny tot see this video...
I also speak English pretty good. This Idea never occurred to me but could I have a job as a translator?
As a german myself, I think our german friend sometimes explain a little complicated even for german native speakers.
But no shaming, was a cool vid neverthelessđ
Was surprised how good I understood the dutch.
Yes, his communication skills are abysmal. No idea how to formulate something clearly and no command over his own language. Shaming is very much in order. What a potato brain.
@@epajarjestys9981 very polite
Dose hÀtte ich nicht verstanden weil er meinte dass man Konserven darin lagert, aber man lagert doch keine Konserven in Dosen :D
Noo? I found him super easy to follow and Im Swedish! :D
@@vomm lol
The problem with this is that Dutch speakers often have been exposed to German a lot during their life, so it's not really a fair experiment. Actually they should do it the other way around
Especially people in Limbrug, their dialect sounds German itself.
ikr for me it sounds like dutch with a far east accent :PP
And of course we can watch German television (also English, Italian, Spanish, Flemisch, French etc...)
@@amosamwig8394 For us german speakers it sounds like a western dialect, while standard dutch sounds more foreign and is harder to understand for us :)
Being from the Netherlands myself I can tell that we're not nearly exposed to Germany or Germans as much as other countries mught think. The biggest connection between the Netherlands and Germany I would say is import export because obviously Germany doesn't really have a lot of coast so all big ships go through the Netherlands to enter Germany. Anyway I hope everyone learned something from this video :)
Okay but when is the Old English vs Dutch vs Frisian vs German video coming đ€
That would be a good video. I remember Simon Roperâs knowledge of Old English helped him understand Dutch pretty well; I wonder if itâs also the case in reverse where knowing Dutch helps with OE
I could contribute a North Frisian perspective
Calm down, enjoy and appreciate THIS first!
@@amjan I do
@@amjan you think i didn't before typing this comment?
Eric spricht ein schönes, ganz klassiches Deutsch, sehr angenehm zu hören. Ich spreche kein niederlÀndisch, aber ich konnte etwas besser Glenn als Rob verstehen, die flÀmische Ausprache ist mir irgendwie klarer. Ich kenne Deutsch nur als eine Fremdsprache.
Sehr interessantes Video, wie immer!
Ich konnte Glenn auch besser verstehen als Rob, glaube aber gar nicht, dass es unbedingt am Dialekt, sondern einfach an der Spracherfahrung liegt. Glenn scheint es gewohnt zu sein, Sprachen verstÀndlich zu machen, selbst wenn er im Dialekt spricht (durch seine Erfahrung in der Film- und Schauspielindustrie), wÀhrend Rob ganz normal/alltÀglich spricht (was ja auch gar nicht schlimm ist.) Ich wohne beispielsweise in Deutschland an der niederlÀndischen Grenze und bin dadurch mit NiederlÀndisch schon ganz gut vertraut (hatte NiederlÀndisch auch einige Jahre als Schulfach) und sollte deshalb mit dem FlÀmisch deutlich mehr Probleme beim Zuhören haben. Aber das ist ja immer so, es kommt nicht nur auf die Sprache an sich, sondern auch auf die Personen an, die diese Sprache dann sprechen.
Das ist Rob gegenĂŒber jetzt natĂŒrlich auch gar nicht böse gemeint, aber Glenn hat einfach eine ganz andere, klarere Art zu Sprechen entwickelt. Das soll jetzt natĂŒrlich aber auch nicht heiĂen, dass du nicht trotzdem besser FlĂ€misch als NiederlĂ€ndisch verstehen kannst, aber ich wollte meine Beobachtungen und Gedanken trotzdem teilen und fand, dass das unter deinem Kommentar ganz gut passte. xD
TwĂłj niemiecki lepszy niĆŒ mĂłj polski! :o
@@aht8548 Genau. Das genau wie ich es sehe (als NiederlĂ€nder, aufgewachsen in Umgebung Rotterdam). Es ist unabhĂ€ngig vom Dialekt. Glenn gibt sich einfach mehr MĂŒhe, seine Sprache (seinen flĂ€mischen Dialekt) deutlich und nicht zu schell auszusprechen. Ohne aber die Merkmale seines Dialektes zu verlieren.
Ik als Nederlander vind Glenn ook veel duidelijker Nederlands spreken, Glenn articuleert zeer goed en zijn taalgebruik is beter dan die van veel Nederlanders.
@@UltimateSeduction how do Flemish and (Holland) Dutch differ?
To be fair with our Dutch/Belgian friends, even for a German speaker some of the explanations were quite convoluted. Halfway through his descriptions for "Kartoffelbrei" und "Medizin", I still wasn't entirely sure which word exactly he was expecting from Glenn and Rob, so I can imagine their confusion.
I had trouble with the description of Kartoffelbrei too. In fact, for the first half I really thought he was talking about Linsen(suppe), then realized it was not the case and had to think harder.
I had no trouble understanding exactly what was described. So I had "aardappelpuree" specifically (didn't know the german word "Kartoffelbrei", did know "Kartoffel"), and I had "geneeskunde" for Medizin. In Dutch, we also sometimes say someone studied "medicijnen", which would be studied at a university, not a hogeschool. And then "haai" of course was very easy, I was expecting either "Hai" or "Haifisch", is there a difference between the two? And then I had either "put" or "putdeksel", but I thought that a manhole cover was a bit too specific, and that it probably had to be the manhole. And then finally "blik" was very easy again. I think they both needed to hear "Konserven" to properly understand.
@@CheatahX Then you did very well! But you obviously have some exposure to German, which helps. And in my experience that''s the case with many Dutch speakers. Even if they haven't studied German, they know a lot of German words. Which makes mutual intelligibility quite asymetrical: Dutch speakers usually know more about the other's language than vice versa.
"Haifisch" also exists and it can be used interchangeably with "Hai", but I'd say "Haisfisch" sounds a bit oldfashioned and less educated.
Be careful, "Hochschule" is a false friend. I think it's a typical example where rather than helping Glenn and Rob, it rather confused them.
As someone from Belgium, I first thought that the first word was Sauerkraut lmao, because I don't immediately think of potatoes as a vegetable, more as a tuber (which is also a plant of course, but just not my first association personally). But when he said it was easy to eat for someone without teeth or someone old, I knew he meant Kartoffelbrei. Those little clarifications after the first description really helped me guessing all of the words right in the end.
I totally agree, most of the initial descriptions given by the german guy where too general. The flemish and dutch guy had to keep questioning the german guy to get the necesairy details to actually come to the awnser.
There definatly have been better hosts on this show that were better at explaining things.
A slavic person listening to this. So different from my language but I am so in love with the germanic languages.
austrian here, loving slavic languages! greetings to you :)
Here is slav from Netherlands, interesting to see :)
As a germanic person im in love learning and listening to slavic languages and romance languages:-)
im german and i am in love with slavic languages :D
@FichDich InDemArsch There is no complex, when it comes to slavs from Balkans( at least serbs), we only respect german organization, working culture, and consistently etc. But in terms of socialization, intelligence, workarounds, bravery, physical appearance, physical strength, and know how to function in difficult circumstances we think about ourselves as way more superior.
I am not fully sure for other slavic nations though.
We also consider lack of internal national harmony as our main weakness.
I can't understand a single word they're saying and yet I'm still here on a Sunday afternoon watching this video. Is that ok? I feel like there's something wrong with me lol.
There's subtitles in English, in case you didn't know.
@@Johnismybestfriend my subtitle isn't coming up but it's a good thing I am studying German xD
@@shannimonet Press C on your keyboard.
@@Johnismybestfriend vielen dank â€ïž
@@shannimonet for some reason the subtitle switches to german at the end
Eric is right! The German "Kartoffel" did make it to Azerbaijani (via Russian but also possibly directly from German as there used to be quite a few German settlers in Azerbaijan since the early 19th century). We use in the form of "kartof", pronounced [kartof] or [kiartof]. If Eric knows this fact he must have some Azeri friends :-) And mashed potatoes are called "kartof pĂŒresi" so we use derivatives of both German "Kartoffel" and French "purĂ©e" in one phrase (that "-si" at the end is just a form of Turkic possessive).
It made it to Armenian as well. They say ŐŻŐĄÖŐżŐžÖŐ«ŐŹ "kartofil"
I thought you would say "patates" and "patates pĂŒresi" such as in Turkish but "kartof" sounds way funnier
@@Kaan._G Some people still use Kartof in Northeast Anatolia. In Kars and Ardahan regions :D
Mashed potatoes are even completely "german" in your language, the german word is KartoffelpĂŒree. And in Austrian German it is called ErdĂ€pfelpĂŒree which is similar to the Dutch aardappelpuree (or however it is spelled exactly).
pĂŒresi. .... cute đđđ
As an Austrian I am very surprised that I even had an easier time with flemish than with dutch. I pretty much understood a whole lot of the things and sentences in dutch as well, but the funny thing is that I can really understand the flemish pronounciation easier and without any effort somtimes.
When I startet the Video I was so sure that it will be just the other way around having in mind all the similarities there are between german and dutch.
Belgien wurde als Habsburgisches Lehen zu verschiedenen Zeiten sowohl als Ăsterreichische Niederlande als auch als Spanische Niederlande bezeichnet worden.
Bestimmt liegt's daran. đ
The rhythm of the Flemish dialect is so similar to German. I speak a great amount of German, although my vocab is shit because I don't speak often enough. I remember the first time hearing Flaams. I thought they were speaking German at first, but then I realized some of the verbs were different and the pronunciation of some of the nouns was way off from German.
Een Duitser, een Belg en een Nederlander lopen een cafĂ© binnenâŠ
As a German speaker, I understood almost everything the dude from Flanders said. As for the Dutch guy, I only understood about half. Odd.
Probably a result of the Flemish being such close contact with German speakers in their own country as it is a third national language in Flaams.
This one was a real confidence booster - i felt like I understood almost everything, even though apparently I never had occasion to learn 'Hai'. :)
Me too... Because It has subtitles lol
Der Haifisch is a pretty good Rammstein song
Hai. Wakarimasu.
I've been speaking Dutch for about 5 years and did fairly well (just listening, not reading subtitles), considering I've never studied German at all:
1. Mayonnaise (similiar logic as Glenn, 'bij' een hoofdgerecht, then Rob joking that they eat a lot of it in Belgium).
2. Medicijn (not being fluent in Dutch actually helped me closer to the german word here, I didn't know 'geneeskunde' was the Dutch word for 'medicine' as a discipline, so I used 'medicijn' which refers to medication)
3. Haai ("a group of fish that people are afraid of" gave it to me)
4. Goot (Dutch for 'gutter.' Pretty close, arguably correct, didn't know 'riool' was also the word for 'sewer' - domestically it just means the drain).
5. Blik (something made of metal to do with food and water, 'lagen' was a bit of a giveaway because I know lager refers to beer that is stored and aged)
I'm German and I don't know why but even I sometimes couldn't tell what he was talking about đ€Łđ
I found the description of potatoes as "yellow-brown" confusing, but got there in the end. And I expected "BĂŒchse" for the last one, but that's just a different word for the same thing.
Er hat einfach mal richtig mies erklÀrt bzw auch viele AmbiguitÀten
I found his explanations pretty obvious. I guess, he was sometimes just concerned not to mention the term by accident they are looking for.
A German friend has told me that Germans often struggle to understand other Germans if the dialects are different enough.
@@elimalinsky7069 his dialect was standard Hochdeutsch, it's just that the way he spoke was a bit confusing.
As a fluent Dutch and German speaker, this is fascinating.
The confusion with profiteren that especially the Flemish speaker had, was really interesting.
The confusion between Dutch fysiek (= anything you can touch, i.e. not mental) and German Physik (physics) isn't something I'd thought about before, either.
At question 4, there's a nice confusion between Dutch bodem ((under)ground) and German boden (the floor).
I caught that bit as soon as he said fysiek, and the German said "Oh no, it's not Physics", I knew he was mistranslating it.
Profitieren can also have an economic component of making profit but in German it goes much beyond as benefiting.
Yes, I thought that was most interesting, too.
@@hannofranz7973 Interestingly maybe this depends regionally but in Dutch I'd say 'profiteren' is exactly as you described. It can definitely be benefitting in general. 'Profijt hebben' strikes me as the same thing worded slightly differently.
"Profiteren" in Dutch: You gain the benefit of something (While the other takes the shortest straw/bad end of a deal ) (For example in a trade situation. ). In English: 'Take advantage of/exploiting/to benefit.'
And when you take too much they call you a "Profiteur", which is a bad name. (Scrounger, leach, parasite in English?)
I understand about 90% of Eric's speech without reading the subtitles, and about 95% when I do read the subtitles. While I don't speak German, I notice that I don't need to translate the German to a second language to be able to understand it, because I speak Dutch. It also helps that I took German in high school, and when I lived in Eastern Europe as a pre-teen, I read a lot of German magazines as they were easily available there. I'm really enjoying these language videos; they are very interesting!
The word "klinkers" for vowels is *so adorable!* I just fell in love with it âĄ
For vowels, you mean đ and consonants are âmedeklinkersâ which is like âco-vowelsâ or âfellow vowelsâ
???
@@SilverSkySE mede-klinkers are con-sonants (the prefix "con" means "with", or "mede" in Dutch), so an English word recronstructed from Dutch could have been sonants instead of vowels.
Sonants & consonants - klinkers & medeklinkers
Also, the English verb "to sound" is "klinken" in Dutch.
@@AmedeeVanGasse Danish has a similar pair of home brewed words: selvlyde and medlyde. Selv = self, med = with, lyde = sounds. Thankfully, they have gone out of fashion in favour of âvokalerâ and âkonsonanterâ.
@@SilverSkySE Oh, "medeklinkers" is lovely as well đ
In German we have "Selbstlaute" (self-sounds) for vowels and "Mitlaute" (co-sounds) for consonants. But that kind of vocabulary is mostly used in elementary school, and then switched for more latin-based expressions.
I have good german knowledge and I am self-taught in german. Not fluent, but can I speak basic conversations, but I understand it a bit better when someone else speaks it. I understood the most of it, not everything though. Some of the flemish words actually reminds me of danish. Ich liebe die deutsche sprache und ich versuche mein bestes zu geben. Thanks for this video. Good job. :-)
Thanks so much as always! Your channel is such a unique contribution to the language community, and there is really nothing else like it on youtube! I'm intermediate in German and I did duolingo Dutch so it was fun to struggle along with them, I guessed a few of them haha
Thereâs a Persian (?) guy who does sorta the same thing but with much less charm.
@@peterfireflylund I've watched that channel before and I do appreciate it for what it is, but there is no sustained communication: it's mostly just a few words or short sentences. Norbert's channel is truly unique because of the sustained multilingual communication with minimal English interjected, and Norbert pairs genetically similar languages so it's a more interesting experiment than "oh, I see these two languages both borrowed the word coffee from Arabic."
It was really interesting to see how easily everyone got the concept of what the others were saying and sometimes even the full complete sentence, as if it was in their own language.. but then every once in a while there's small misunderstandings (like at 15:42 where Eric acknowledges what he thinks Rob said, but in reality saying the opposite).
Dutch and Flemish is actually the same language, only as used in different countries. Differences are for example found in the pronunciation (typical example is the Dutch "hard" G against the Flemish "soft" G°), legal and administrative terminology and some other words which mostly can be understood in the other country. Unless the Flemish speaker uses an extreme dialect (such as West-Flemish) then not even one province further anybody can understand him/her.
@@flitsertheo In Noord-Brabant and Limburg we have a soft g as well and we definitly don't speak Flemish! So it's not like the hard g is the only really Dutch g. The soft g is just as Dutch
The hard G is more typical for the part of the Netherlands above the Moerdijk.
@@flitsertheo Yes that's what I meant. For the rest of the country therefore it isn't
this channel is truely one of a kind and extremely informative and enjoyable to watch, I love the first impressions they came with by every next challenge.
In Dutch or Flemish we also say 'boordsteen' (bordstein in German) / stoeprand / trottoirband. Unbelievable that they have never heard of the word 'boordsteen'. đđ€ŠââI am really shocked!
His German is just perfect, clear and classic German...it's so plesent to hearđ„ș
I'm a native English speaker and grew up speaking German with my family, I'm rusty with it but have been studying hard. I think I understood alot of the Dutch.
This video was so interesting! As a native German the Flemish guy was a lot easier to understand than the Dutch guy. All three were respectful and seemed very nice.
Haha the flemish guy barely used full sentences, so if u understand most of the 3/4 words he says at a time you're already there
I am a person whoâs learning German (B2~C1 level I would estimate) and I understood basically everything what the German was saying :p, and I got the gist of Dutch and Flemish with subtitles. Without them Iâd probably be lost!
Im learning it as well, if you estimate your level to be around C1, Iâm curious how long did it take you to get to that level roughly? Just to get the gist of how long it would take to be there.
@@XxMUKALIENxX I started when I was like 11 or 12, but I think I started to do it seriously/every day when I was 13, and Iâm now almost 17. So seriously using/learning German for (almost) everyday for 4~5 years.
To give more info about my assessment: I understand most youtube videos - documentaries, vloggers, political satire shows - without any big problems, but some subtle things I might miss. I can read the newspaper with some few look-ups of terms, I can read books, though depending on the book, that still takes effort, not super smooth, a lot of new words potentially. I watched a film version of few plays like âDer Besuch der alten Dameâ and âDie Physikerâ, which were hard with a lot of new words but I could get the gist of the story first time through. And in terms of speaking/writing, because Iâve never been in Germany and I donât have a community of Germans near me, those might be my weakest skills, but I can still speak/write okay I would say, Iâve had conversations in text and in voice messages/calls in German before.
you might be able to do it faster than me though, 13-year-old me didnât know how to really study a language lmao
Same with me! Started at 14 but have stopped since I was ~20, so a couple years ago. Getting rusty though! Never stop practicing!!
Do not call it Flemish because you suggest it is a different language .... They are the same language Just another accent. Same writing system. Call it 'Belgian Dutch' instead! Saying Flemish is a kind of like calling the language of Austria Austrian instead of German......
I can't wait for the English captions to be finished ;u; I can hardly catch 1 or 2 words in German at all but Germanic languages sound amazing! :D
The English subtitles are fixed now. :)
@@Ecolinguist Thanks so much! \^0^/ I'll watch the rest of this this evening!
Finally the episode we Dutchies have been waiting forđđ
I'm looking for the G E K O L O N I S E E R D comments... ;-)
I've learned some Dutch for a year and would like to learn German once my Dutch reaches C1. Tried turning off closed captions and guessing along with these guys. I got 4/5 right (I didn't know what a rioolput was) and I think it's a year worth the effort!
There were some parts in the conversation where more precise words were required. The German description of the thing that is in the curb ("stoeprand" in Dutch, "Randstein" in German) or the "round thing in the pavement" as the alternative German description translated, is actually not the "rioolput" but merely the lid or cover ("putdeksel" in Dutch) (manhole cover when it is large). The "rioolput" is what is under that cover, but that was not what was described in German.
Zu Krank: Im Deutschen gibt es den altertĂŒmlichen Begriff Siech / Siechenhaus, man denkt dabei aber automatisch ans Mittelalter
Oder Siechtum - sagt man auch heute noch manchmal. Oder auf englisch "sick" oder "sickness"
es gibt noch das modernev Wort "Seuche"
"dahinsiechen" ist eigentlich heute auch noch gelÀufig.
Danke fĂŒr den Input! Daran hatte ich gar nicht gedacht!
Sehr spannend! Im Schweizerdeutschen wird der Begriff âSiechâ noch verwendet, jedoch in anderen ZusammenhĂ€ngen. Ein paar Beispiele:
âDu bisch en geile Siech!â = Du bist ein cooler Typ!
âDe het en Siech!â = Der ist betrunken.
âDas isch en Siebesiech!â = Der kann etwas besonders gut.
âHuere Siechâ = ein Fluchwort, Schimpfwort
Vielleicht ist die Herkunft in diesem Fall eine andere, das weiss ich nicht.
Liebe GrĂŒsse đšđ
That was so much fun. Thanks so much!
German is my mother tongue and even I found it quite challenging to guess the first word đđ cool video though, nice to see some German included:)
Here is my tip to explain words better and smoother in this game.
1. Select your word.
2. Go to Wikipedia.
3. Search your word.
4. Select the language: Simple English
5. Use that article for your description.
Warning: your description might be too easy.
Thatâs a great piece of advice! Thank you, Cedric. đ
That could be an option, if the guests find the original explanation too difficult.
@@ronnerizvi in my upcoming second video I was too lazy to create my own description so I did that. If it's good enough for Simple English Wikipedia, it's good enough for Norbert's channel đ„°
@@cedrickrummes3876 I found the descriptions quite difficult even as a native German speaker. It took me a while to get the answers. And Gully" has so many different synonyms in German (see Wikipedia). Also they are not all round. But the speakers did a great job!
This was great guys! I loved learning.
Wunderschön Video, Ich verstehe fast alles was Herr Eric sagte. Ich konnte alle Wörter erraten. Super Kanal!
Hey, Ecolinguist, I suppose a video with Church Slavonic explainer + 4-5 other languages from the family would be interesting. What do you think?
As both a student of Dutch and German this video was a real confidence booster, I understood almost everything on both sides of the discussion
It's been 15 years since I studied German at school, but I could follow 90% of what he was saying. Really cool video! :D
Another one of these. Fascinating
I enjoyed that, and was surprised at how much of the Dutch/Flemish I could actually understand withoug needing the subtitles. I studied German 50 years ago, so I am a bit rusty, but found most of the German quite clear as well -- probably spoken a little more slowly for the Dutch speakers.
I worked in engineering design for a whole after school, so the engineering terms were interesting. Placing of "gully pits" was critical if stormwater were to be appropriately removed!
However, we distinguish sewerage (the system in which sewage flows) from the stormwater system, and, of course, try to keep the two separate because heavy rainfall can cause the sewage to overflow from the sewerage system if it leaks in -- a great public health rosk.
Very interesting: thank you!.
23:23 I like that Rob mentioned that "blik" can refer to both the can itself AND its material, sheet metalâŠit's common in most English-speaking countries (besides the USA) to use the word "tin" interchangeably in the same way. A tin is made of tin. Fascinating!
In the US we also commonly call a tin a cylinder or receptacle
This is such a nice game to learn more about languages. Thanks
Man this episode was super chill, i enjoyed it alot đ
In Dutch you can also say that you study medicine (medicijnen) instead of geneeskunde, although the latter is the official name of the discipline.
I've really never heard that being used though? In which part of the Netherlands/Flanders do they use 'medicijnen'? To me it sounds like too directly (and wrongfully) translated from English.
@@girljustDIYit I've heard my mother use it, she's from the haarlem area
@@girljustDIYit maybe it's a bit old-fashioned
@@RusNad That's interesting, maybe it is an old-fashioned and/or regional thing then! I am from the Zwolle area but have lived in de Randstad for many years now and haven't heard it yet. Gotta love linguistics :D
The only time I heard it was by the mother of my aunt, she's from Breda, in Flanders I never heard it. Living near the Dutch border we have a bit of a Flemish-Dutch family.
The German guy can be understood well from a linguistic point of view for a Dutch/Flemish speaker, but his descriptions aren't always very clear. Seems like the Flemish and Dutch guys have some difficulties with that too.
He sometimes uses very specific words like Bordstein instead of BĂŒrgersteig/Gehsteig. I reckon this makes it difficult.
I speak German and Dutch and he had me confused. Not linguistically, it was that his descriptions were amazingly hard to understand.
@@mynamename5172 I also speak German and his descriptions were very clear to me.
@@hannofranz7973 The Flemish word for Bordstein is boordsteen đ
â@@hannofranz7973 I never saw a Gully in a BĂŒrgersteig or in a Bordstein anyway.
Nobert congrats for yar channel. We learn a lot here.đ„đ„đ„đ„đ„đ„
Awesome content! As a german beginner I understood aproximately 75% german, 55% dutch and flemish. I hope you do comparison of german with scandinavian languages and mainly swedish (they were missed in the old norse video), thank you Norbert!
Interesting that I could completely follow the video as an Afrikaans speaking person. There was a few words that I didn't understand but in context it was easy enough to follow.
âFlemishâ is not a language just as there is no language called âAustrianâ, âFlemishâ is an accent in Dutch (which the guest is speaking) and there are also of course dialects in Flanders, one type that is similar across Flanders (Standard Dutch with many distinct words and word endings and separate masculine and neuter genders) and another type which varies from town to town and between socio-educational groups.the guest is speaking Standard Dutch (Nederlands) with a Belgian/Flemish accent. The âDutchâ guy has an even stronger regional accent too btw from Dutch Limburg .
Well, Austro-Bavarian is what people generally mean by Austrian, it's a different language, a dialect that is distinct enough to be a language. Whereas Dutch and Flemish have almost no difference, just the accent and some different words.
As someone from Flanders, I thought you could hear Glenn's accent of Mechelen pretty clearly as well. I myself am from the Belgian Limburg, so we share similar sounds with the Dutch Limburgish accent, but without the Dutch sounds of course. But I definitely agree with the rest.
@@watermeloenislekker yeah at first I was afraid to hear those typical Dutch sounds that make it harder for me to understand the language, but overall, both guys sounded Flemish to me
@@DonnieKreyden I can definitely see why'd you hear Rob's accent as a Flemish one. I think it maybe has something to do with the 'soft g' sound in the Dutch Limburgish accent (and Dutch Brabant as well), which is shared with almost all the Flemish accents (apart from the accent of West-Flanders, but that's a whole different story). I've also heard that the harder g sound, common when you go higher up north, can be quite jarring to listen to for foreigners.
Well, we like to think we speak different languages.
And there are signs that Flemish and Dutch are seperating.
The 2 languages are getting less and less mutualy intelligible.
If you compare the news from the 60ies and today for both Flemish and Dutch, you'll notice the difference.
The Dutch are undergoing vowel shifts for example: e -> eu "zeven" -> "zeuven", the "n" at the end of the word is getting unpronounced etc.
While Flemish doesn't change much.
Give it another 200 years and we might see 2 different languages.
Ciekawa rozmowa, fajny wybĂłr sĆĂłw!
Dutch and Flemish are two varieties of the same language (Nederlanse taal) with pretty small differences!
So is afrikaans
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BOARISCH -- can SaupreiĂn and Fischköppe understand it?
Da freu ich mich schon drauf. Sacklzement!
jo freili kena mia des aa đ ! Eingli miassat des hoass'n: Kenan de Bayern aa Leid vo Hamburg oda vo Ostfriesland vasteh đ
Nicht wahr, die Bayern können auch französisch sprechen: Si dans de fils d' avec, si laquel si d' ami cher!
@@brittakriep2938
Das ist sicherlich noch ein Ăberbleibsel aus der napoleonischen Zeit. Da hab ich aber ein bisschen gebraucht, bis ich das "Französische" verstanden habe. đđđ
As an English speaker I understood about 20% of the conversation in German. I understood Dutch and Flemish better. About 40%.
I need more of this exact thing!!!
Would love to see a video where at least German and Danish occur - and make Danish the main language because we are usually taught German for at least a year.
Rigsdansk or sĂžnderjysk? I wonder which is easier to understand for the Germans. SĂžnderjysk has more German loanwords and it has articles. Not sure how much that would help.
@@peterfireflylund Now that does sound interesting.
I think danish and german are too different. I canât really see them understanding eachother at all without prior knowledge of eachothers languages
As a German native I don't really understand any Danish. It would be interesting to watch such a video nontheless and try to guess what some words mean
Once the writing is revealed, the Germans would likely understand it as well as Swedish - perhaps even slightly better. But before any writing, with just Danish pronunciation, I think they'd be pretty lost.
As a Dutchy who's taken 5 years of German lessons, I could understand this whole video. Sure there were some germand words I didn't know but I got everything by context. For example, I didn't know the verb ''vorbeugen'' but I guessed it means to prevent which is ''voorkomen'' in Dutch, which also has the ''vor/voor'' in it thus indicating it might be the correct translation.
Hahaha, Dutchy, I didnât know Dutch people called themselves that! In English we usually say Dutch person or Dutchman.
@@hirsch4155 Yeah it's eighter "I'm a Dutchy (or Dutchie)" or I'm Dutch. But Dutchy sounds more fun XD
I've been waiting for more videos with Dutch language đâ€ïžâ€ïž
Norbert became more active on the channel ... sounds nice!
Ich spreche deutsch und NiederlĂ€ndisch und finde es super interessant und auch ein bisschen lustig wie sie teilweise an einander vorbei reden. So wĂŒrden MissverstĂ€ndnisse echt oft passieren. Tolle Videos!!
It would be nice to see the main speaker have little drawings or pictures alongside the words when they do the reveal of what word they're talking about. I just remember Marc from the Sardinian video being very confused when the speaker was talking about the word for "tree" haha it could be helpful so things run a bit smoother in these videos.
Ich bin deutschsprachige Belgierin und habe alles gut verstanden, da ich auch NiederlÀndisch in der Schule gelernt habe. Selber FlÀmisch bzw NiederlÀndisch sprechen ist schon etwas schwieriger weil ich manchmal deutsche und niederlÀndische Wörter vermische
Dat makt nit :-)
This was one of the best so far, because the native speaker did not slow down or sugarcoat the descriptions. Bravo.
Toujours aussi intĂ©ressant ~â
I'd love to see one with Dutch, German and maybe one or two Scandinavian languages, to see how well they understand each other. Foreign people often think Dutch and Norwegian/Swedish sound similar, but the words are very different.
Yes, that would be very interesting too. Although the words are different, the word order in all of the languages is very similar.
@@CheatahX True, I've been doing some Swedish and Norwegian on Duolingo and some words and sentences are very easy to read, while others are complete gibberish to me xD
@Kurocoon FörÀldrar is weird to me, because "voorvaderen" in Dutch means ancestors, but förÀldrar is just 'parents' in Swedish.
@@Roozyj Its pretty funny because voorvaderen translates in swedish: "voor" = för and "vaderen" =fÀder, so it's förfÀder which is ancestors :)
same with jordgubbe, for a swedish person i think it's a wierd name :D But the same goes for aardappel. aard=jord :P
@@Roozyj I guess the second part of 'för-Àldrar' is similar to German 'Eltern' (allowing for language unique plural endings). What is 'förÀldrar' in Dutch?
A video where they have to guess Frisian would be so good. Could be English, German and Danish (or Swedish/Norwegian) facing off.
a pity i couldn't participate! i hope ill be able to join you guys in the future!
As a Dutch person this is a lot of fun to watch. Especially the fact that we have words that are like German words, but that have a different meaning. Like the word "Meer" in German sounds like the Dutch word "meer" (lake), but it means "zee" (sea).
And with the German word "See", it's exactly the other way round đ
@@NantokaNejako You're half right. Der See does mean the lake. But die See does mean the sea.
@@NobbiMD : Both an english lake and a german Lache are filled with water, but different in size :-)
Very interesting to hear people speak in their native languages and trying to understand each other. I'm from Sweden and noticed that I had an easier time understanding Florian from the other videos than Eric but I'm not sure if it's a dialect thing or perhaps that Eric is talking a bit faster? If I'm not mistaken Eric is from Hamburg and Florian from DĂŒsseldorf. Any thoughts? =)
Startet mit "Moin" und sacht gleich danach, dass er ganz normales "Alltach-Deutsch" spricht ;-)
Very North-German indeed. Plus him pronouncing as "TschĂŒpps" (and not "Tschipps) betrays him as a Northerner too.
That being said, unless the Swiss-Germans, Germans are less aware of their own accents and dialects.
For me as an Austrian, it sounded just like normal German. I heard "moin" even by Bavarians and Franconians, so I guess it became somewhat mainstream within Germany during the last decades. And the g, at the end being pronounced like a ch is even part of the federal german standard pronounciation, like in "König" > /Könich/ (At least the Duden says so). The Austrian German dictionary tells us that the word is pronounced with a /k/ sound.
@@Leo-uu8du g being pronounced as /ch/ at the end is standard after i, but certainly not after a. You'll never hear a News-Anchor or a "Rundfunksprecher" say "tach" or "gesacht". it's definitely considered regional and colloquial.
@@cedrickrummes3876 I'd say that South Germans are aware of their accent, it's the Northeners who don't. In that respect, Eric is the quintessential Northener ;-) That's why I found it so funny.
@@Leo-uu8du "moin" used to be Northern German in the sense of close-to-the-sea German. No longer.
I notice "moin" is certainly written in online interactions. My own theory is because you can write it with your right hand on the right side of the keyboard.
The hints were very helpful and as a being Dutch not very difficult to follow. The German word for blik, Dose, was a lange Zeit her wenn ik dass gelernt habe in der Schule! Thanks for posting this video!!!
Leuk concept dit
the Flemish and the Dutch guy just talk to each other - they don't speak different languages, they speak different dialects. But it really is amazing how Germans and Dutch/Flemish can communicate with each other in their languages just by concentrating and by trying to construct easy sentences. Also, nice work on the preparation side and the background information on each of the words. Especially Kartoffel is very interesting. There's the French group and their "apple that grows in the earth" (pomme du terre). Same for the Dutch and Flemish. Also the same for Bavarian, Austrian and most Swiss dialets (Erdapfel). Then there's the Spanish Potato group: Spanish, Portuguese, English, Italian (patata, batata) - I believe Austrians can also use "Pataten" sometimes and then there's the German/Russian Kartoffel group, who took the word from the Italians who themselves are in the potato group :). I also found the Gromper / Krompir group which is commonly used in some Eastern European langugages. But this one actually seems to belong to the French group. It's just not "pomme de terre" but "poire de terre", Pear from the Ground / Earth. Ground-Pear.
I found it interesting how German assimilated the different names of Fish from the Dutch language (Hering and especially Matjes are another important example) - when most other similar / identical words are used in Dutch from the German word.
It's also amazing how you found a Dutch guy for this videos who is not a fluent German speaker ;)
Yes you are right ridiculous the title says they are different languages. I will do a report on YT.
@@yt-nx1qm its clearly said â CAN THEY understand german languageâ no one was saying that they are single languages
Limburgish, Luxembourgish, Dutch and German. Would be a cool comparison video. Dutch, Afrikaans and Flemish too.
I volunteer as tribute!
It's doesnt make sence with Flemish and Dutch both because it's basically same language with dialect difference, Luxembourgish would fit more I guess
They did a video with Lexembourgish
@@shannimonet not with Dutch
@@chanpasadopolska oh yeah, true, they should do it
As a Luxie, my Dutch is limited to French-Dutch food labels. So if it's not tomato soup with meatballs, I don't know.
@@shannimonet The Luxembourg with Swiss, German and Austrian video was very good.
I studied Dutch in Belgium and learned most of the Flemish from Antwerp. Here in America I recently saw a Swiss movie or TV program on TV and the Swiss German sounded very much like Dutch.
Fascinating! I love how the Dutch/Flemish guys and German could easily communicate while not even switching over. Iâm a native Dutch speaker myself, but after all these years being exposed to German and even having to use it on the job, I still make a shocked pickachu face when the words are so similar. I feel like I donât even have to strain my brain when listening to German. Interesting that the Belgian guy got most of it too, since itâs usually us Dutch people that have an easier time with German than Belgians.
I love how German and Dutch use the same words but in a different way. Like in German weit means far, but in Dutch we would understand it as wide âwijdâ or the Geneeskunde example, it could be a German word if that combination just existed in Standard german like Erdapfel in dialect. The word Kopf in German means head, in Dutch kop also means head (for animals or rude way to say head) but we use the word hoofd in Dutch which would be Haupt in German which they wouldnât use.
Last one should be Haupt, shouldn't it? At least in Austro-Bavarian haupt/haapt/hoopt is commonly used to refer to the head.
It's âHauptâ and super archaic for the head. You can still find it in âenthauptenâ (behead) and some phrases like âerhobenen Hauptesâ (proud) or âgesenkten Hauptesâ (ashamed). The word Haupt changed its morphology to be only left productively as part of compounds (with the meaning âmainâ - e. g. Hauptsatz = main clause, Hauptbahnhof = main/central station aso.), not by itself any more.
"but we use the word hoofd in Dutch which would be hauft in German which they wouldnât use."
The corresponding German word is "Haupt". It can be used to mean head, but "Er erhob sein Haupt" = "he raised his head" would sound either antiquated or poetic or pretentious. Of course, the word still appears in composites, e.g. "Hauptstadt" = capital city, "Hauptmann" = captain (military rank in the army, however a marine or air force captain would be a "KapitÀn"), "Hauptargument" = "main argument", etc
btw, even though this isn't obvious at first glance, "capital" and "captain" both derive from the same proto indo-european root as Haupt/hoofd/head.
@@Leo-uu8du looool yeah youâre right đ itâs haupt. I got it mixed up by thinking in Dutch and writing in German đ Iâll correct it
@@jlljlj6991 yap! In Dutch (hoofd) haupt carries the same meaning as in âmain/principalâ like hoofdgerecht - main dish or onthoofden/to behead etc. I love the connection!
Please make a video on Uralic language. Invite finnish, Estonian and Hungarian speakers ( test them whether they understand there uralic language )
i can tell you the outcome.. no one understands hungarian. estonians and finns get along
injecting hungrian in a Baltic-finnic language round would be like having a romance language round and letting russian also participate because it's related in the bigger indo-european language picture.
That's an easy one! Estonians understand Finnish better than Finns understand Estonian. Hungarians hardly understand either Finnish or Estonian and Finns and viceversa. Other Finno-ugric languages that are closer to Finnish and Estonian would be Karelian, Saami, etc.
Just yesterday, a youtuber called Daiki Yoshikawa uploaded a video where he talks about Finnish and Estonian mutual intelligibility with a guest from Estonia. He himself seems to be Japanese and he speaks Finnish as a second language.
Hungarians could be put together with Manshi/Chanti/etc people from Russia. We do have common vocabulary with them. But precisely zero (and by zero I mean zero) mutual understanding between Finnish and Hungarian. Yes, the grammar and the sounds are similar, and that's it.
Edit: even with chanti people the common vocab are stuff like "add ide, vidd oda, a tĂłban van", but nothing more complex.
I like the facial expressions from the guy in the middle đđđđ»
You can see him thinking đđ
Thank you.
Leuk om als Nederlandse spreker mee te doen. Dit waren mijn antwoorden:
-Zuurkool/pindasaus
-Geneeskunde
-Haai
-Bord waarop de waterpijlstand te zien is (geen flauw idee)
-Blik
I think it would have been nice to have a speaker of Afrikaans included in this specific experiment.
I imagine the afrikaans speaker would be struggling with german alot more but then i wonder how close to the correct awnser they can get hearing the questions posed by the dutch and flemish speaker.
I am Afrikaans and could understand at least 85% of everything.. It felt like German is the more formal language, and Dutch 'n Flemish much easier for me to comprehend 98%..
Can you do this next time but also add Afrikaans?
afrikaans should have taken the place of flemish, that would be way more interesting to watch.
I think it would be hard for an Afrikaans speaker to understand German. With Dutch he shouldn't have much trouble.
Dutch: "We are not going to the Beach. "
Afrikaans: "Ours aren't going to the Beach not." (If you would read the Afrikaans sentence in Dutch)
I studied a bit of German in the past. I got really close on three, and a general idea on the other two. So that was nice. I thought I'd be a lot more rusty.
The stone/concrete casting besides the road (curb) is called "randsteen" in Afrikaans. Generally we use it to refer to the whole curb of the road, or maybe a specific single stone, although we can also say the plural "randstene" which would be used to indicate a lot of curbstones.
I think Danish on the one side, and Dutch or Afrikaans on the other side, would also be interesting ... especially because of the rather peculiar Danish pronunciation ...
Omg I have A1 in German but I guessed all the words correctly! So proud of myself. But I had to google these words in German because I understood the explanation and the meaning but didnât know the actual words in German (Iâm Russian). But Iâm happy af :)
Speaking both languages I constantly wanted to clear up any misunderstandings that came up during the video. It was fun realising what kind of details can really trip up someone speaking the other language. Like the "Beilagen *zum* Hauptgericht" in German oder "fysiek" in Dutch.
And why didn't they get "Beilage" = "bijlage"? The easy connection.
Flemish or German me as Dutchie spend 8 months in Germany serving the Dutch Army what i am trying to so love and respect to my neighbours love you all
Ich glaube Eric hat den Stassenablauf (Gully) mit dem Kanaldeckel verwechselt. Der Gully ist nicht rund.
That makes more sense.
In Dutch: "Geul" or "Goot"
Kanaldeckel "Putdeksel"
@@d0minarix â yep, I was wondering when Eric was describing it as he said both "where the water flows out" (in English it would be the drain or storm drain) or something like that as well as "it is round" (which would be more like the manhole cover) so I was not sure which one he means... Not that I would know either in Dutch :-D
@@gligeti Totally agree!
The german aquilvalent for Medizin/ geneeskund is Heilkunde
I do think the format works better when the listeners can't ask any follow-up questions, because this way they're figuring it out as a group, where it's sometimes more interesting to see where individuals end up. As a fellow flemish speaker, I was also thinking about mustard or mayonaise, because I also understood it's a dish next to the main dish (side dish), but nothing he said described any side dish I could recognise.
Wauw, dat ging verrassend stroef
"Kabeljauw" is also in Portuguese, with metathesis, as "bacalhau". It's not known for certain which is the original form.
I think it must be bacalhau, because that word has a meaning - saying that the fish is to be eaten at a time when it isn't yet mature for reproduction. The word is cognate with the English word "bachelor".
I always knew Kabeljau as a synonym for Dorsch in German.
@@erichamilton3373 It's the same fish, but in different "stages" of development/"adultness".
@@NantokaNejako as far as I know, in German it is the same species of fish, but 'Kabeljau' is caught in the North Sea or Atlantic while 'Dorsch' originates in the Baltic Sea.
I'm a Dutch speaker and could follow along totally fine without English subtitles.
I'm from Germany, can maybe understand like 35% of dutch
@@danikopter_lp The German speaker tried harder to speak more slowly and articulate then the Dutch speaker
This was one very difficult for me. Ich verstehe ein Bisschen Deutsch. I got most of the words, but this was actuallty more challenging than the French one. Keep making these videos, wieder entwegen.
I guess in some flavors of English you can talk of a tin (hypothetically made of tin, although that may not be recommended).
That would roughly mirror the blik/Dose made of blik/Blech, if I understood correctly.
Im danish and i'm shocked that i could understand nearly everything the flemish guy said, but almost nothing the dutch guy said hahah.
I speak both languages fluently (native).
1. Kartoffelbrei = aardappelpuree
2. Medizin = geneeskunde
3. Haifische = haaien
4. Gully = riool/put
5. Dose = blik(je)
6. Karton = doos
7. Bordsteinkante = stoeprand
He could have also said "KartoffelpĂŒree" instead of "-brei".
1st one I thought of apple sauce on the first one, but I knew it was incorrect as it's not much of a side dish/appetizer.
2nd I thought it was psychology as at some point he said it wasn't about curing physical pain.
3rd here I got confused because apparently Meer is the sea in German, where it is a lake in Dutch. So it could never be a shark since they don't typically live in lakes (even though they alluded to the movie Jaws).
4th one was pretty obviously 'put'.
5th this one was also obviously 'blik'.
Es ist sehr hilfreich fĂŒr mich, diese Sprachen nebeneinander zuhören, weil ich ein Amerikanischer bin, der hoffte eines zukĂŒnftiges Tages beide Sprachen zu sprechen. Hartelijk bedankt voor dit gesprek!
*Amerikaner :)