Dorian Yates: Super Heavy Lifting In Bodybuilding Is Too Risky With No Benefit | GI Vault
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Dorian Yates talks about the lessons he's learned from lifting super heavy weights during training.
During the filming of Ronnie Coleman: The King, we asked a lot of pro bodybuilders about the trend of lifting super heavy weights during training. Ronnie was notoriously known for his powerlifter style and hardcore heavy training. Ultimately, this was likely what contributed to his injuries and needed surgeries later in life. In our latest GI Exclusive Vault interview, Dorian Yates explains why lifting super heavy weights is a risk that bodybuilders should not take... and provides very little benefit.
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Age (and injuries) brings wisdom 💯
Only providing you are willing to learn from your mistakes.
I have met some dumb old people and pretty wise middle aged people.i can listen to dorian all day though hes turning into the Yoda of bodybuilding!
Wish I could like this comment several times. Couldn't agree more. I stopped trying to use massive weights (massive for me) in lieu of moderately heavy weight that I can use with good form. Honestly, I made better gains doing this as well.
Scars can tell you much.
That's an experienced statement right there ! I spent the last 2yrs. training injuries before I realized at 51 i just couldn't throw the heavy steel no more
More need the mind Dexter Jackson did decide never went heavy and people wonder why he’s been about as long and competed in 3 decades
Yeah Ronnie probably destroyed his spine with those monster squats. Dorian had career ending injuries too but at least he can walk. Both are legends.
Yeah Ronnie trained honestly more like a powerlifter on some of the heavy compound movements. But he still did 600 lb for 20 reps and that's the set that started his back injuries he says because he got out from the rack and felt a pop like somebody slapped him in the back of the neck and that's what started everything. But he kept going like an idiot otherwise he might be able to walk today. when he said his biggest regret is he didn't go five reps with 800 lb on a squat rather than two I just shook my head. All that money cannot buy your new body and cannot replace being able to hold your children. Ronnie is the greatest of all time in my mind but he would have been even better if he would have went about it rather more scientific approach. Like pre-exhaustion for example.
Dorian Yates trains the exact same way that I do the matter if I keep perfected the heavy duty type training. He just took it to the point where he would not slow down during contest prep and overdid it. That method of training is extremely effective but it's also the most dangerous. You can achieve the same type of muscle breakdown with a few more sets. Just a few more that way you don't have to go all out and way past failure to negative failure on the last set of an exercise where you're so likely to get injured. None of my injuries are from weight lifting. Mine have all been from other jobs or accidents but I have to do weight training to keep up the injured areas otherwise I would be in a lot of pain. But you know what I still respect the hell out of Dorian Yates.
@@BJETNT yeah, not only did he finish the set, he finished the leg workout 😳
@@bigwig2659 lol yeah good point. I know anatomy and physiology way better than most people so at least I would have known when to stop. You don't feel like somebody slapped you in the back of the head and nothing went wrong. I'm surprised he didn't get any tingling at that point but it just wasn't hitting a nerve. I admire his work ethic but I would rather be me than him. If he had a train that way I think he still would have been on top now. Genetics like his are literally one in a billion
@@BJETNT So in regards to the high intensity training that you do, are you saying that you just add a few more sets similar to the first or second rather than having that third beyond failure set (w/ negative reps) ? I've been experimenting with something similar and it seems very effective so just curious. Thanks.
@@MH-et5sn That's a good question I should have clarified a little better. I after a warm up obviously and I don't mean a set just a general warm up like some like cardio until I break a sweat. I normally do three sets total of an exercise. First two sets are done almost a failure I couldn't get another rep but I don't go completely to failure or past. The last set I go to failure and past. So I'm doing three sets total of an exercise and I usually wait three to four minutes between the 2nd and 3rd set so I have the maximum amount of intensity and energy that I can put into it.too many people turn weight training in a cardio and that's not what our goal is if we're trying to build muscle. First set is generally 10 to 12 reps second set I usually don't go any more than 6 just because I like getting one set with a heavy weight. 4 minutes later sometimes 3 if it's a small exercise I will go with a weight that I can usually handle 6 to 8 reps but I'll take it to 12 to 15 through intensity techniques. The important thing is consistency in your reps. One second up three to four seconds down on everything. And man unless you time it there's no way you would believe how long that takes. Eight reps is 40 seconds. anything below 40 seconds and you're going mostly for strength with a little bit of hypertrophy 40 to 70 seconds is the optimum range for muscle growth. It's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be and that has made a massive difference in the amount of muscle I'm able to gain I mean it doubled compared to the lower rep range. If you have any more questions my email is bjetnt@gmail.com. My name is Brian I'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions my friend.
The title to this video is incorrect, it should be: Don't Train Heavy During Bodybuilding PREP!!!!
Yep, trust GI
100%
CONTEST PREP 🤔
Or don’t hit 90%+ every single week
@Glutes Love it does “Bulgarian style” training work- yes, for a very short period. Will it cause you to maximize long term gains- studies indicate that it will be suboptimal. Does lifting heavier inherently increase risk- yes, 500lbs is more likely to seriously injure you than 250lbs.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. That’s all I’m saying, not trynna rag on anyone that enjoys training like that. I’ll probably just dislike you cause you’re using the rack everyday lmao
Ronnie's response to this was interesting:
YEAH BUDDYYYY!!!!
Undefeated COMMENT 😂
Ronnie's response to this was years of pain killers and surgery.....
Ronie's health now :
No buddy
LightWeight Baby!!
😅😅
I could listen to him all day. Longevity is key.
Indeed
I love Dorian. Just a good man and an honest dude and one hell of a bodybuilder!
You sound like you want to give him heads
That last line got me. You learn as you age. Damn we all do (or should).
He's very much right. Not everyone can or should lift ultra heavy all the time. Jay Cutler wasn't always lifting heavy, but smarter
It's good to lifting heavy weight but not all time you can lift heavy on compound moment's but try to maintain your form as a good as you can
@Ivey 96 yeah, he lifted heavy, but not as heavy as Coleman, nor everytime
so true. jay cutler doesnt lift crazy heavy beyond weight as often
There's a things called limits. Ronnie blew off the tank. Jay cutler maintained that tank
True. Jay was a volume trainer
Wish I realized this before ego lifting my shoulders to hell
@King White Knight I got into it with my buddies at a young age and it was basically a dick measuring contest at some times. Competition can be well and good for motivation but I somehow managed to lift heavier than I was supposed to with fucked up form too so still enjoying the benefits of that today. Nothing that won’t heal though luckily.
So true. I killed my spine and hips doing ridiculous deadlifts that looked great but God it hurts every day now.
was it from benching?
@@HL-zh7qi Winner winner chicken dinner. I learned how to bench heavy before learning how to do a setup and proper form.
I was the exact same and used TB500 and BPC157 and healed them completely. Lifting heavier without any pain anymore.
Dorian is the Yoda of bodybuilding
I agree. No need to needlessly risk injury. I train somewhat moderate when it comes to heavy lifting
I have listened to many Dorian Yates video interviews and he is very intelligent and salient in his delivery of his experience and opinion. Yes spot on, l am 50 years old turning 51 and l love bodybuilding but have learned my own limitations, l never train super heavy, but within reason l push at times the limit maintaining strict form. I still do the basics today and my training evolves around the compound exercises, Bench, Squat, Deadlift, shoulder press and Bentover roes, but l am like a roller coaster, push with some heavy lifting within reason and then back off with lighter sets to allow for adequate recovery. I train for the journey of life so l can remain strong and vibrant for as long as l can.
That's why Ronny only trained lightweight baby!
This comment is underrated
In his wheelchair .
The weight Ronnie used wasn’t what injured him, it was the FREQUENCY at which he lifted max loads... Plus just pushing thru injuries instead of listening to his body or lifting max loads at the wrong time (aka while getting showstage lean). People gotta stop blaming the weights themselves and start looking at the programs...
Exactly. Heavy weights don't 1:1 bring injuries, look at someone like Nick Best or Jerry Pritchett. They're in WSM in their mid 50s and late 40s, pulling heavier weights than Ronnie did, doing it in training and on the stage. Of course the low body fat issues aren't there, but the fact remains that it was a stackup of issues with Ronnie that brought him to where he is now, not any one single decision besides POSSIBLY the massive reps deep into Olympia prep. It was much more so the training through injuries and possibly Dorian's point about the free squats that did his spine in, not the simple weight.
Strength athletes outlift these bodybuilders and they're not snapped up. It's the drugs and the programming.
Exactly!! Not the weights but, the MINDSET
Well ronnie was shredded... you cant lift heavy shit like that all sucked down and dieting. Theres a reason powerlifters and strongman dont have a six pack or even can be bloated.
Should clarify- technically you can indeed lift heavy ass weight in the middle of a cut... but you'll fuck up your body
You can max only once per year and it still it is very dangerous. Lifting heavy is retarded is you are not a powerlifter.
Would love to see a good hour long talk with Dorian and Ronnie just talking to each other
I was in hard core gyms for 3 hours/day in my 20 and 30s.
The only injury I saw was when an old wrist wrap broke on a guy who was doing pull ups using a bent row bar the held onto the main bar.
The wrap snapped and he fell with the bar falling down on him. Nothing serious.
I think these massive guys doing massive wright don't have sufficient and correct spotting when using super heavy weights and or going to failure, when they lose control of the weight.
Dorian ripped his biceps tendon when he was doing bent over rows with 425lbs.
The supporting structures: tendon, ligament and cartilage don't grow as fast as the muscle and so accidents happen. This is when Performance Enhancing Drugs(P.E.D.s) are used.
I've seen far more injuries in football, soccer and hockey, than in weight lifting.
I'm glad I have the resources to hear things like this at the point in my life before I destroy my body. We take it for granted.
always very informative .Thank you Champ
Saw some dude go straight to 315 no warm up, on the deadlift today. Mannnnn shortcut to snap city.leave the ego at the door
Dorian is a humble/gentle beast/monster.
I always saw him as a judgmental hater. But he’s smart.
He is not humble at all. In his mind he is the biggest bad ass of all time
Thank you for this, I’ve been training heavy 3-5 reps & sometimes it’s feels funny thanks God I saw this vid & that I know about, heavy., light & deloads.
Wonderful 👌🏽
I used to train super hard when I was 18-25 always had injuries until I realized I was just training too hard. With no rest
Growing up I use to think it was impossible for body builders to get hurt or sick. Now learning about the sport I found out its quite the opposite when it comes to injury.
Ronnie never trained heavy... it was all LIGHTWEIGHT BABY
He's not saying not to lift heavy, he's saying not do it during the fasting phase before competitions because you are more vulnerable to injuries. Otherwise, training to failure with controlled repetitions in a good form is way safer than the traditional high frequency which causes joint problems.
You need to watch the video again. 😑
High frequency doesn’t cause joint problems.. tf lol maybe if you’re doing x2 a week n never changing your routine
Depends what your goals are as well.
@@kenkenshiro6779 stupid comment as usual
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you I totally agree with you no bodybuilder is natural there is no such thing it's nonsense because its humanly impossible to get big without steroids that's a FACT if you could get big without steroids then steroids would not exist and people would not take them hence its humanly impossible to get big without steroids
Agree with Mr Olympia. I've witnessed many injuries over the last 45 years from guys who lifted to impress, pec tear was the worst, followed by quad tear, bicep and tricep tear and lets not forget hernia's, very common with heavy deaflifts.
Work the muscle not the ego.
Wise words! Thank you Dorian 👍👍
It is a smart way to train heavy.. Because I had alot going to, other than lifting, it may have saved me from injury... I rarely ever went over 405 for reps on any free movements... But did so on machines... As I have been lifting well over 30 plus yrs.. My power lift friends can not... It is very sad to see most of them on a Cain or getting so many replacements of something body wise.. To get excited about getting the cortisone shot was sad to say the least
Awesome. Thank you Sir
Ronnie also mentioned the 1st surgery on his back doctor niched a nerve which gave him nerve damage but i agree with dorian
i just liked this already because I know that I am going to like it!!! I just don't have time to watch it right now and will comment later!!!
Don't worry you would have liked it after you watched it. Dorian's a little crazy on stuff that he does now but when it came to training the man was brilliant. He's the one that perfected the type of training that I use. Both of our mentors were the same guy. May Mike rest in peace. I can't even handle the same amount of volume on heavy duty that Dorian can. Or should I say did. But I'm glad he is helping people afterwards
Dorian: don't lift heavy you will get injuries.
Ronnie: where is my walking frame?
Yeah mad. 😁
Keep in mind Dorian is not saying to not lift heavy. He's talking about pre-contest prep. Big difference. Of course, there are better ways to build your legs than heavy squats, unless you're a powerlifter, but still, you'll need to go heavy in the offseason.
Jesus loves you. Acts 2:38. Upci church locator for a church.
@@dity. he doesn’t love you
Bruh... lol
Excellent advice! :)
Thumbs down for overly loud obnoxious intro music.
The form and fibre recruitment for most heavy lifts I have seen is not going to build muscle. In powerlifting it’s about the weight. In bodybuilding it’s about the form. For most of us the Bill is presented in your 50’s when heavy training comes home to roost. Nubret and even Arnold trained relatively light compare to some of the things you see today. For non drug assisted athletes this is particularly important as natural recovery times are longer.
Great advise from the champ! Legend.
I’ve been experimenting lately with a really slow rep cadence and I’m absolutely loving the results. Right now I’m doing eight seconds up and eight seconds down, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it! It’s fucking intense! It’s all about time under load and not using any jerking or momentum whatsoever, complete control of the weight! The burn and pump you get is insane, and it’s great because it enables you to train intensely, to failure, while using substantially lighter weights. I’m loving it and I highly recommend you give it a try
I agree, don't go quite as slow as that as far as tempo, but I feel if you cannot control the eccentric part of any lift, the weight is too fuckin heavy, leave your ego at the door, your target muscle doesn't know what weight you're lifting, only how long its placed under tension!
Slowing down the concentric makes no sense to me unless I have sever joint issues. I do enjoy doing a 3 second eccentric 1 sec pause and then a controlled 1 sec concentric. I also do 1 set to positive failure.
i have been doing this on my cable fly didn't count the seconds but all i know is im squezing at the top and holding it a few seconds then doing a slow negative and doing as many reps as i can this way. for upper lower and middle variation i have noticed my chest feeling much harder on non training days. I am not even using heavy weight just 3 stacks on each side.
The title is misleading. Dorian's position is that when in "contest prep" you don't want to do heavy weights because of depleted water and calories. Off season heavy weights are not only beneficial but a requirement. The biggest mistake lifters make (especially women) is not going heavy for a portion of their training. 2-3 reps is the necessary for development as PART of your routine.
Rich piana said something similar lower weights higher reps with no pauses are hard AF to do , promote growth and lower risks of injury
Dorian always straight forward and to the point
Yates looks like he could be Conor's father.
I thought the same think lately. Surprisingly, you are the only other guy that has mentioned it... specially when both of them are bearded they look like brothers
Jesus loves you. Acts 2:38. Upci church locator for a church.
Ha! Good eye!
I will now lift only 330ml bottles of beer in the prep period.
33cc/weeks sounds about right
What title is that? He says it’s not necessary train with high weights in contest prep. Dorian always trained with high weights in off season
Free weighted squats should work for most able people (ie; people with no severe back or hip problems) if done correctly and with the right level of mobility. If you can use a smith machine to squat then you can do free weighted squats as well. I don’t buy the “squats aren’t good for my structure” excuse.
This Video would have been disliked if anybody apart from Dorian would have spoke about Ronnie..
Dorian in baki?
Jk
Love hearing from the legend himself
Dorian is 100% right. Heavy training is the foundation of muscle grows but too heavy is very risky.
The likes of Ryan Humiston swears by light weights.
One word for this “Wisdom” 💪🏻
Spot on.
The one & only Dorian Yates when of the many people I look up to. He is just that cool of a guy.
Dorian knows the game inside out so who’s to question him 👍👍
If I can’t get at least 3 solid reps I won’t go heavier. Sick of injuries putting me in a handicapped state for a week here and there.
Super heavy weights, enormous amount of food and the abuse of steroids.... you get the bill before you know.
no
i see larry wheels heading down this path
@@kerpal321 why? Didnt he go off gear?
@@doncornetto no but he is constantly pushing himself hard and has already had a few injuries
@@kerpal321 I've checked him out and I dont think hes off gear anyway
The squat is only a good exercise if you’re built for it.
Same can be said about any exercise, but especially with the squat with how heavily it’s promoted. It’s shitty for certain people.
I used to go super heavy. Got me strong, bulky, and always inured. Didnt matter how good my form was. Then I started going no less than 10 reps and no more than 20. I feel better than ever. More cut and developed. I can eat more too and stay lean as my volume increased with the high reps.
Country Boy will survive. We can skin a buck, run a trout line.
The key is sprinkle some heavy days here and there every few weeks or so. But not beat the muscle to hell every workout and trying to Personal record lift every workout. Thats bad. I use to obsess about lifting heavy and I realized it was making me more stressed than happy. I was more concerned with increasing the number rather than my muscle and fitness. Truly a depressing kinda way to lift honestly and dangerous, obsessing over the weight of the bar rather than working the muscle.
Amen brother!
Looking great. Don't think compound lifts are necessary for bodybuilding. Both Dorian and Stan Efferding agree on this. I think feeling is the best on this. If you are not feeling squats effect that muscle I would try something else. I think banded leg press, goblet squats, or other variations can work as well. Whatever creates results use that. You is what is most important not the trend.
It's not unwise, it's stupid. The weights are supposed to be a means to an end for bodybuilders. If you can get maximum development benching 225, bench 225.
I don't like how Generation Iron likes to position legends against each other. Why did he lift that weight? Because he was young, strong, and alive! Same reason why Yates did it, same reason we all do it on those days were the weight is just flying up and you're feeling strong as hell.
A mild difference of opinion isn't putting "legends against each other".
When you love it, You love it 🤷🏾♂️.
I don’t think people know how it feels to dominate heavy weights..
Without those mistakes to train heavy during the cut we could see Dorian vs ronnie in 98 and 99 at least
It's harder to build muscles that to keep them. To build them you break them, to keep them you feed them protein and pump the blood by workout they used to do. Don't know why bodybuilders go so heavy two weeks out since they won't grow new muscles. Would be better to stay fresh and fully recover but they're pros not me so, just wonder what's wrong with my logic.
I need to get a major pump this weekend as I go into final prepartions to watch the Olympia highlights on You Tube over at Nick Strength. I just don't wanna over do it and peak too early. Any suggestions for a sixty year fellow bulker hulker but never a sûlker?
But lifting heavy does work the other muscle fiber of explosion which allows you to have a full workout if balanced with light/body weight exercises correctly. Type a/b muscles.
massive amounts of gear changes the equation.
to get the most benefit from the contest stack they are taking and to keep the body in equal state of preparation (hardness of the muscle, fullness of the muscle) and so on. I really doubt that any of them think they're gonna add muscle during those 12 or so weeks of prep
Your logic is spot on, no need to go heavy any where close to competition time! You're not going to put on any muscle in a calorie deficit during a cutting phase pre -competition!
I respect you said learn from my mistakes. Dorian Yates has some crazy out there views on the rest of life but as far as training the man is spot on and I completely respect him. He perfected the style of training I use and he actually has helped me not make the same mistakes he did.. him and Ronnie had absolutely unbelievable genetics. Dorian didn't use near as many drugs as most of these idiots use when they say they're just coasting. And Ronnie Coleman actually made it to the Olympian natural but did not place until he started doing the same drugs as everybody else. I honestly would not have believed that except he made a 60 to 80 lb jump in 2 years when he started using steroids and other PEDs all of the sudden after training already for 10 years. That kind of gain doesn't happen just cuz you add more protein to your diet.
Ronnie did what he did because 1.. he could 2.. its what he wanted to do .. from what I gather he trained/trains because he loves to do it, he threw heavy ass weight around because he loved to throw heavy ass weight around lol he didnt really care about prep as such it was just another day in the gym to him .. The Legend Ronnie Coleman is the meathead of all meatheads.. you cant tell me you wouldnt throw that weight around if you could lol ofcourse you would
At the end of the day it's still the same results; he screwed himself up unnecessarily..
Ronnie trained too heavy.
12plus operations and barley able to walk....crazy and not worth the risk.
I would be smarter about throwing all that weight around. If you’re gonna squat an incredible amount of weight for reps you should make sure your form is immaculate and that you can actually carry the weight without struggling (ego lifting) if not, you’re putting yourself in danger. Even most powerlifters don’t go crazy with heavy training like he did.
Irrespective of what any of you say.. Ronnie did what he did because he COULD and he wanted to, its quite simple really. Winning 8x Mr Olympia titles was just a byproduct of his hobby. Its plain and simple
@@geoffatutahi8520 I agree. We can debate all we want about how Ronnie should have approached his training regime, but the man did what he wanted and in spite of all the pain he is in, he seemingly is content with himself. God bless him.
Am sure the bodybuilding community would appreciate this comment. A guy came into the gym after driving up to the gym in his corvette which was on ground level. He proceeded to load the barbell to its maximum or near maximum weight. And did about 3 reps on the squatting bar in total. This was the end of his workout. Having studied the physiology of weight training, this had no benefit whatsoever.
This guy is so smart and analytical.
Wow they really just clickbaited us with that title
how so?
@@SAXONWARLORD1000AD Dorian specifically said not to train heavy during prep because your body is more prone to injury but the title makes it seem like heavy lifting is not isn't worth it
Not that I'm anybody, but I've never gone in trying to be the strongest in the gym. I had more show muscles than anything else.
I'm a little more focus on strength now tho, cause it's fun.
Easy for the old men to say don’t go heavy but it was lifting heavy that contributed to them achieving there size I’d say the massive amounts of steroids Dorian took for several years was more of a risk to his health than lifting heavy.
I think everyone assumes heavy weight and heavy duty/high intent are interchangeable. They are not.
If you're doing strength work with a bodybuilder mindset- yeah. If you're doing strength work with a base of knowledge then it's better than just pure bodybuilding work
what is the point of lifting that heavy? genuine question. is it for strength or size? can you not build the size with more reps on a lower weight?
Bent over rows with 4 plates is pretty darn heavy...but yes, after 35 you have to lighten the weight and train more fr feel.
This is the same advise given by Olympian Jason Genova too. So it must be right, right?
Jason Genova got robbed at the 2020 Olympia. He didn't receive an exemption like Big Ramy. Heck, they didn't even send him a spectator's ticket. What's up with that?!?!
Jason got robbed this year. They give a special invite to Big Ramy but completely dis Jason and Big Lenny. Now I know the whole thing is rigged and has turned political.
THE TRUTH
There are powerlifters who are or were every bit as strong as Ronnie was who can walk normally and did not require 12 operations. Like Clint said: A man's got to know his limitations.
Ronnies problem i think was that he was doing the powerlifting AND the bodybuilding as one and constantly pushing himself, Even Dorian who put a lot of emphasis on recovery still ended up injuring himself, and there's ronnie basically doing everything he could to injure himself
Wise words.
Spot on Dorian 👍🏻
imagine doing 1 ton in the legpress for reps using stano. ronnie did it. crazy..
Key thing Dorian said "I advise people to learn from my mistakes" great view and advice
Wise words
He doesn't mean all the time he means during contest prep
No amount of legendary status is worth not being able to walk and been in constant pain for decades. Ronnie says he wouldnt change a thing of the past. I reckon he says that just to keep his apparent legendary status alive. In truth, the constant pain he has, he would trade in everything to not be in so much pain.
Yup age and wisdom
Dorian is a class act
Walking lunges forward and backwards with about 100 pounds on your back for very high reps, and then maybe changing to holds at the bottom is all the leg workout you need to do for the average guy
What builds the hamstrings? My hammies are stuck in neutral and refuse to grow. I'm 60 and have trouble squating. Lunges hurt my knees and leg presses seem to have little effect on building the legs. I get my best gains it seems when I stay out of the gym and more time in the fridge. You just don't wanna look thmall when you get older cause when you walk down the street you become an easy target for thugs who want to mug you and take your milk money.
@@incomemobile8566 find a leg curl platform at your gym if it has one. Where you rest your quads on the pads, you are facing down, your feet are secured under another pad, and you use your hamstrings to curl your body up. Perhaps using a stair master and skip a step to make it a big upward thrust of your leg might help too.
Wisdom with success come imagination true
intense into aye
Everyone's different. For me i made the most progress sticking to 8-12 reps and failing in that range.
When i did heavy weights for any less than 5 reps i had a lot of joint pain and just couldn't recover.
Dorian is Champ!
I wonder if Ronnie could’ve achieved his same physique using a volume training and integrating heavy weight in that vs going as heavy as he did. Genetics play a big part and I wonder how he would’ve looked if he added more volume and decreased weight lifted a little.
yes he could have. Ronnie over did the heavy lifting and it ruptured his spine.
@@MrInzombia you said two completely conversations. While yes the heavy lifting along with the bad initial spinal surgery messed up his spine that doesn’t answer if volume training could’ve given Him the same physique. Basically you’re looking at his surgery and saying he went too heavy. Which is true. But you have no evidence to show whether he could’ve achieved his physique with volume. Volume would’ve prevented the injury but he might’ve had a less impressive physique.
Ronnie’s Joint ：
Dorian was damn Right , Body .
You can lift heavy safely
All of my injuries were because of a lapse in form completely my fault
I can mame the injury and what caused it
But i lifted very heavy for many years with no injury
Be safe kids!
I think this video twists his words slightly. He’s not saying heavy in and of itself is bad. Just the exercise and when you do heavy lifting.
Agreed Dorian! I’m the sort of idiot who learns from his mistakes. I never foresee them! My advice to youngsters : listen to physiotherapistsover bodybuilders! No need to be a big muscle bound freak. Just be happy and healthy. Trust me.
All time hero !
Yoga just shouldnt be over stretch....mucsle in body I think can pull out tenon....I stretch still after I feel pains tightness ... nerves and veins stretching ...tightness in lower back
Ronnie's response: "Everybody wanna be a body builder! Don't nobody wanna lift this heavy ass weights!"
Training wisely is the key to avoid serious injuries, like Jay Cutler did,he's still fit.
When you hear Dorian, it's like listening to a monk
Unless your a professional athlete or competing in some sort of bodybuilding contest I don’t see any point in lifting super heavy if your just a regular person working out it’s risky really pointless
As a bodybuilder, the amount of weight you lift doesn't really matter.
@@graysonwing2946 well there you go exactly lifting heavy should reserved to the athletes who compete in strongman
@@graysonwing2946 progressive overload is a thing to build massive muscles
@@iMangeshSN yeah but I mean in the context of the competition, it doesn't matter what you lift. So no reason to lift "super heavy" and risk injury.
@@graysonwing2946 sorry for my ignorance, I'm just beginner. What do you mean by super heavy? Does that mean 1 RM, 2RM shouldn't be in our program?