Honestly I hate how they treat Disney Princesses as if they are a disgrace to their company despite the fact that they made the company what it is and what it has become
Tell me about it especially the classic ones they act like the ones from 1937, 1954, 1959 and 1989 respectively and you know the ones I’m talking about they act like those for specifically Argus crisis because they are not ““ strong females. Are you kidding me those four in my personal opinion Are the strongest princesses in the whole Disney collection.
100% agree. I relate with animated Mulan for many reasons, but one reason is because she wasn't just naturally good at stuff. She ended up being the worst ajd had to work extra hard due to being at a disadvantage physically as a woman . But she proves herself and excels, not due to raw talent, but due to her passion and her drive and of course her ability to think outside the box in versatile ways to make up for her disadvantages. But then remake makes her just naturally powerful, as if that is a better message to people. Maybe people like my brother who were just naturally good at everything, but not normies like me and the majority of people out there.
The crazy part: Rachel seems to be the first Disney princess actress for a live-action remake who hates the original; all her predecessors had nothing but love to give the OG princesses. And I think they way they treat princesses is based off of the reception Disney had around the 2000s; I cannot TELL YOU how often I'd hear the original 3 Disney princesses as well as Ariel and Pocahontas get put down when I was in school.
@@farahjichi4617 that's a terrible interpretation of those characters. Cinderella TRIED to go to the ball herself but her stepsisters ruined her dress at the last moment. Snow White was almost killed at the behest of the queen and she offered to work for the Dwarves to earn her keep. They were strong young women who got help from friends. Needing help doesn't make someone weak.
@@cerulee no that's a perfect summarization of the general theme and that doesn't change just because they had different conflicts and story arcs.. Cinderella tried to go to that ball because she naively thought she would be allowed, not because she was trying to do something about her abusive living conditions
You know who gets Disney Princesses? The writers of Sofia The First. They clearly respect those princesses and know what the lessons learned and strengths were.
One thing I will always love about Moana is how its conclusion encapsulates the “divine feminine” so well. Moana defeats Te Kaa not through physical aggression (which is tried by Maui - who portrayed masculine energy) but through understanding and compassion- embodying the classical feminine energy. Moana is probably Disney’s most “feminist” movie, as it depicts a female villain being defeated by a female heroine using the power of the feminine energy. No “girl-bossing” required.
The Princess and the Frog has the same theme but people always leave out Princess Tiana, the only Disney Princess with the word "Princess" in both her name and the title of the movie! Why is that?
I like her i just dont like how she gets insulted for being called a princess. I dont see anything wrong with wanting to be like Cinderella, snow white, or Belle or Jasmine. They all are princesses but have great qualities.
I'm sick of us being turned into men. All of these "girl bosses" are men in women's clothes. I appreciate this comment so much, thank you. For a woman to be strong is to embrace herself, not attempt to become the opposite sex.
The new Mulan was an absolute crime against the original. A live-action re-telling of a coming-of-age story starting a clumsy, adorkable misfit with a golden heart who put her own life on the line to save her father, and grew to be a clever, confident, and competent woman who saved all of China? Nope. A story of a young Jedi woman who didn't need to grow or improve, and just needed to be herself. Compelling.
Kennedy must have been involved with her Force is Female crap. Mulans reason for going to war was so beautiful, and they ruined it with that crap movie!!!!
Nah, and the way it implied that the only reason why Mulan could do what she did was because she had something magical while also implying that not only are men born with that but women who aren’t have to adhere to their roles?
One part of Moana I don't like is how they make fun of being a princess, treating it like an offense because Moana technically isn't a princess but a daughter of a chieftain. But then she's a part of the princess lineup. Also, the description of wearing a dress and having a pet sidekick seems to be an excuse as to why Mulan is a part of the princess brand even tho she's not a princess. What about Esmeralda? She was a member but was taken out. What about Meg? What about Kida? Elsa was and Anna is queen now. Disney is about money. If a female character is ''too adult'' to fit the Disney new brand like Esmeralda and Meg or if their movies were flops like Kida from Atlantis and ''what's her name'' from the Black Cauldron.
Actually, fun fact about that, Anna and Elsa really aren't official Disney Princesses. Like, they'll be included sometimes, but the Frozen movies are such money makers that Anna and Elsa are perfectly marketable on their own. Usually you hear about Disney Princesses getting snubbed because their movies made no money, but here we have a case of getting snubbed for being too successful
@@imonlyndon Thank you for remembering Princess Eilonwy. Great minds think alike. 😊 BTW, Disney really did the Chronicles of Prydain dirty. The movie the Black Cauldron actually introduced me to the books, which were actually better. The Black Cauldron is actually the second book in the series. Basically the movie is the first two books smushed together. Sorry if I went on a bit of a tangent. I just really love The Chronicles of Prydain.😅
@@mollietenpenny4093If the movie didn’t flop so hard, it could’ve been a series. Maybe Disney might remake it into something good one day but that’s probably not gonna happen
Maybe they don't count because the movies are neither about them nor named after them? Atlantis is named after the city and primarily follows Michael J. Fox, Hercules is about Hercules, The Hunchback of Notre Dame is about Quasimodo, The Black Cauldron mostly follows the irresponsible boy character. Not that Mulan has ANY connection to a princess by birth, marriage, or societal role. Edit: Forgot about Aladin. Guess the name and focus things aren't the reason since he was both compared to Jasmine.
Current Disney needs to learn the lesson that Tiana learned in her movie. She was already empowered to make her dreams come true, but she also needed to become a person who could embrace love and relax to enjoy her success.
i don’t think it’s fair to criticize Aurora either! just because she wasn’t the main character doesn’t mean she doesn’t have beautiful characterization. also the three fairies are the true protagonists, so people who complain it’s all about phillip are off the mark.
Yeah the 3 fairies is also a subversion to Disney's own movies where instead of the young princess as the protag, it's her 3 guardians. :D, 3 women who are the ones who carried Prince Phillip in his journey. I think that is a pretty nice representation for strong old women. Also while I think Aurora is the embodiment of what people criticize, she pretty much was someone who was hidden in the woods, probably no social connections of people other than her 3 fairy godmothers thus falling in love so easily. But after meeting Prince Phillip whom she didn't know was a prince, it was revealed that she was a princess and was forced really quickly a responsibility that she has to bear without any knowledge about what is going on. Though I think she should've had more screentime.
Exactly! That being said I'd love more prince Phillip. He's definitely like top 3 princes for me. Maybe my favorite. Bro killed it while only having like 12 lines 😂
I love that movie. It's amazing. Because Phillip is one of the better princes and the story was always more about the princess struggles And they made him much more virtuous then the original story
Having Ariel girlboss-warrior her way out of Ursula's grip at the end is not only a bad idea for all the valid reasons you mentioned, but also diminishes the fact that Eric saving her is /not/ an archaic "hero rescues damsel" trope. It's a beautiful closure to the fact that Ariel saved him first. Because the most beautiful, healthiest relationships are those where you're ready to save each other. Where you have each other's backs.
Not to mention it made no sense because Ariel wasn't established with experience in sailing nor did she have years of training or the lower body strength to stear the ship. Plus, Prince Eric, who was established to be an experienced sailor, was given little to nothing to do in the climax and worst of all he had little to no agency in the story in the remake.
I hate how much the company has grown to hate their female leads. Like you have a variety of women in a variety of different roles and things they stand for. You have the warriors like Mulan and Moana, you have those that survive adversity and maintain good hearts like Snow and Cinderella, you have characters like Ariel and Jasmine that represent the balance of independence and love and having strong will, and you have characters like Belle that show that it’s okay to be different. And you have princesses like Aurora that…well…exist. Like you have so many women that have been loved and cherished by so many people. To insult characters that people have loved for so many years is the dumbest practice you could do.
*picks up phone* Hello, electric company? We just found another solution to our power issues; just go to the grave of Walt Disney with a turbine in tow! Seriously, Disney, what the hey's WRONG with you?!
I think it's really telling when these "victimized" women can't understand that people in abusive situations can't just free themselves and accuse Cinderella and Snow White of being bad role models. Even if the victim isn't gaslit into thinking it's deserved or justifiable, they might not have a better alternative. Also, I did not need that revelation of why Ariel is my favorite Disney princess and how I connect with her struggles, but I can't lie and say it doesn't make sense.
All I can say is... THANKS YOU. Snow White is so criminally misunderstood. She IS a leader and is strong. She's just not a girl boss. She's motherly, but where would we be without responsible mothers?
@@farahjichi4617 She helped them live like a family. With her presence, the dwarfs softened up. She would scold them and fix their bad habits. And yes, she did lead them by cooking and cleaning as well. Snow white showed up at their house with nothing to give. So instead of expecting blind kindness she actually decided to take up chores as they clearly needed that. She couldn't do hard labor so she did what she was best at. She was optimistic, kind, and also had a strong character. After the forest scene, she was deadly terrified. But figuring out she had also scared the animals, she composed herself and apologized. That shows her caring and brave nature. She was 14 mind you. She had a forgiving nature and knew not to just expect something out of someone without giving anything in return. She did sing about love, but for most of the movie, she never mentions it again as a savior route. She hoped to be loved but didn't demand it. And clearly, the dwarves loved her as well. Snow white is a story about navigating through hard times with hope, courage, and optimism. The movie was released during the great depression. It was supposed to motivate the public to stay optimistic during hard times but also work towards their goal. If they did so they would be rewarded with their desires. It also is a beautiful Journey about her finding a family in a place least expected. She never judged them, never hated them, and never cried about her problems. I'd argue she's one of the strongest princesses considering her age and personality.
@@farahjichi4617if you think cooking and cleaning makes you passive and you can’t lead by that then I don’t know what to tell you. Those two things are two pillars that living together stands on, without cooking and cleaning, your apartment falls apart. The problem is when it’s expected of someone and they are not valued for it or when cooking and cleaning is viewed as inferior to other tasks. You seem to do that, by the way, just pointing that out. The dwarfs were grateful they were helped with that and that they had someone who lead them by example (e. g. washing hands). Following that example made their lives better as they enjoyed the domesticity. They were not able to create that by themselves.
I quit being a Disney fan 5 or 6 years ago. The last movie I truly enjoyed is Encanto. This company is DRY, it's been ages they have no new or good ideas.
You know with the writers strike going on my theory is that with these writers not having a liveable wage they wouldnt put effort into writing anything good. I certainly wouldnt write anything good if I was paid shit. I also think execs are more likely to greenlight movies that have been proven to be successful or part of a successful IP.
I grew up with Cinderella and i was shocked when i discovered that people actually were stupid enough to believe Cinderella was always looking for romantic love , the fact that i , a 4 years old child got the message about never giving up on your morals and values , and never letting the abusive people in your life change who you are , and if you did so you'd be rewarded , and 40 years old men didn't get it is just hilarious , the Prince's plot doesn't even start rolling until the last 30 minutes or so , the movie is overall not well directed obviously with the mice taking up way too much screentime , but Cinderella's emotional intelligence and survival of her abusive household will always be inspiring to me , I'm glad that my favourite princess was lucky enough to have a great remake , and i hope more people that didn't get the chance to see the strengths in the original and the remake discover it too Edit : would like to remove the example i mentioned because it's cheap sexism even if it was a joke , but i own it up , sorry if i bothered anyone with my dump comment
So well put. I'm a man, but Cinderella is my favorite Disney animated film. She overcomes her hardships not because she is lucky, but because she earns her happy ending. Her kindness to the mice, helping them, but not doing everything for them, is why they insist on helping her. Jacques and Gus risk their lives for her because she gave them her love first. Maybe the mice do get undue attention in the film, but Cinderella earns every advantage she receives, and yet remains humble and grateful. Of course, in like manner, Lady Tremaine earns every disadvantage she receives, because throughout she remains just as cruel, selfish, and proud as she is at the start. Cinderella earns her triumph while her stepmother earns her humiliating defeat, which if Cinderella 3 is any indication, she refused to learn from. EDIT: Fixed typos.
@@g.davidturnblom5751 thanks for sharing your POV , i really forgot about how much of a role model Cinderella is in her kindness to others under her wing , in total contrast to the way lady Tremaine treated her , yet again proving that the moral is to treat others the way you wanna be treated , emphasizing that growing up in an abusive household isn't an excuse to treat others the way you were treated , just amazing morals and values for kids and grown-ups I also wanted to apologize for relating the ignorance part to 40 years old men when that's just sexism and a bad example , both genders didn't understand the story as shown in feminists and female celebrities , my intention was pointing out that mature people didn't understand the story a child could , but it doesn't excuse my mistake
The fact that she just wanted to go to the ball to just have a good time, didn't even realize she danced with the prince but was just happy and content that she went and experienced it and people write it off her ENTIRE CHARACTER as if she was just waiting for a man to save her always pisses me off to no end.
Honestly, as a woman, I find the whole "girl boss" type to be... sexist, as much as I hate this word as it has lost all of its meaning. There is nothing wrong with tough female characters who are not looking for love and can pack a punch, but the modern "strong female character" is condescending, insecure to the point where she has to fuel her ego at the expense of men, and actively excludes women who are different (not weaker, no, just different) as if there is something wrong with them. I also used to think of Snow White as the weakest and most boring princess exactly because I thought I was tougher than her, and cooler. And... I'm still nothing like her. But I've said it in another comment under somebody else's video and I can only say it again, I think it takes more strength and courage to be able to pull yourself together and stay calm and kind after everything Snow White and Cinderella had gone through than to lose your temper and take your anger out on others.
Quite a shame really. Disney had a lovely catalog of diverse roles of Disney Princesses that were quite good in their own right, and even now they've proven that they can make decent ones. Now, they're trashing the classics, and for what? Modernization? What a joke. These stories were products of their times, and they've held up as classics for a very good reason. They helped make Disney what they are today, and the Disney princesses are probably Disney's second biggest team after Mickey and his crew. Quite frankly, modernization is a nice idea on paper, but it's proven nothing but a massive bane to these films, and even outside of them. I don't care what anyone else says, but I found the changes to Princess Peach in the Mario Movie utterly unnecessary, and a complete misunderstanding of her character. This isn't helped by the interviews for the film, which show that their mentality towards her was similar to the Snow White remake.
No, I think Peach was great in that movie. It really didn’t feel out of place, and it honestly is a vast improvement in this case. The only thing that was a bit weird was when she said she completed the obstacle course first try, that is stretching it. I don’t care that it was some meta commentary on how some players beat levels on the first try while others struggle to beat it, it’s still a bit weird in universe. But that was the only issue there.
@@dannysmi7162 Well, I'll respect your opinion. That said, I massively disagree with calling it a vast improvement. I personally found it to be more of a vast downgrade. She's been able to hold her own in the games for a while, but her personality and abilities were massively different. She's not some fearless warrior princess. Even in the 40-second clip of her new game, she behaves nothing like the movie. Movie Peach just felt to me like the most generic badass they could possibly have made her. Not a bad character mind you, and if it weren't supposed to be Peach, I wouldn't mind her(heck, I daresay I might have actually liked her). But as an adaptation of Princess Peach, I disliked her.
@@railroader2431 Fair enough, I guess. Even though she’s a bit different from the games, it just seemed to all fit. Her being a fearless leader just made sense in this world. I don’t usually like when they “modernize” Princesses, and I was skeptical at first when I first heard about it, but it really worked for me here. They really knew what they were doing in this movie. Almost everything just came together really well in this movie. The only thing I would change is having Peach explain that she trained a lot for the obstacle course and that’s why she’s so good at it. Also, Bowser knew about Peach, and vice versa, giving her the motivation to train to become stronger to prevent Bowser or any other enemies that might attack her kingdom. She really wants to protect the toads since they’re her family and did a lot for her so it makes sense she wants to protect them which means she needs to become strong and fearless to do that.
I wouldn't call movie peach a downgrade but rather the other extreme. Peach being a boring damsel like she normally is would make the movie fall way too in line with other movie adaptations. but on the other side she's straight up a boring girl boss that kind of deflates the steaks of mario's journey knowing that she probably could have handled the conflicts herself.
@@trickstercj4366 The thing is, so many games have her as more than just a "boring damsel." I point you to the SMRPG in particular, and stuff like the Paper Mario titles. They had the templates. They just decided to squander it all because I guess Peach's game personality wasn't good enough for some reason.
It’s important to note that Snow White was released during the midst of the Great Depression, so a character who is good and kind being rescued from her peril and her dreams made true would have resonated much more deeply for those in such deep economic crisis.
I think what really bothers me about these girlbossified remakes is they feel so deeply dishonest. Disney doesn't care about good female characters, otherwise they'd see the old princesses weren't as bad as they seem to think... Makes me sad
This is exactly why I don't like Raya and the Last Dragon. Not only because of its horrible message about trusting shady people and an incredibly annoying character who was voiced by an incredibly annoying actress, but Raya herself is also the problem. They tried to make her more like Mulan, but more like the one from the live-action version. However, she is more moody and vindictive.
Have you even watched The Bad Guys?! Awkwafina was actually really hilarious in that one and wasn’t too bad. And prior to that, she had a voice role in The Angry Birds Movie 2 and wasn’t bad either. So she CAN give good voice performances, but it’s mainly Disney that’s to blame for her annoying performances in Raya and the Little Mermaid remake. She does not the need the James Corden treatment from you. And as the old saying goes, “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”.
I also hate Raya, cuz it also baited me into thinking about South East Asian representation. 💀 and instead of fixing my trust issues, it just got worse.
I will always go up to bat for Cinderella and The Little Mermaid because the people that have the biggest critiques for it are rarely ever engaging with it fairly. I won't even say that the people are getting their opinions from their 9yr old selves, they're regurgitating bad faith arguments from the adults that were around them and terrible write-ups that gained way too much popularity in 00s. Not only that they refused to actually rewatch the films and have their own opinions. I was that child in the 90s, religiously rewatching all my Disney Princess films on repeat and when I would hear these "critiques" in the 00s from people, I was super confused because I thought "There is no way these people watched the same movies I did, they're clearly misrepresenting the characters and themes of the film." I couldn't even take them seriously.
Also once again... Jasmine having a song called "Speechless" when she was never EVER a speechless character is horrible but even worse....THE SONG SUCKSSS. Like damn, if you gonna give her a needless song, you couldn't do her justice by making it good?
Anybody who wants to write movies (not just for Disney, but especially Disney) needs to really become familiar with Joseph Campbell and his works. There are reasons and formulas as to why traditional fairy tales have stood the test of time for hundreds of years, and why the best retellings don't mess with the basic foundations, like Ever After or the Faerie Tale Theater series. The names and outfits might change, but Drew Barrymore is still a recognizable Cinderella.
And I also think a lot of these younger writers just hate the idea of royalty itself, so they think they're fixing some social wrong by ruining the original stories, which weren't necessarily reflecting real life nobility (although I am aware there are exceptions like the animal bridegroom and Bluebeard genres of fables).
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1Joseph Campbell's works and theories really need to be taught more in basic writing courses. I didn't learn about him until my 3rd year of college and wish I had much sooner. He's basically figured out the blueprint for successful storytelling that humans have been using throughout every culture.
@@wayIess Joseph Campbell didn't figure out the archetype. The story tellers who have been telling the stories for thousands of years throughout every culture did.
@@GeeBee212 Where did I mention archetypes???? I mentioned blueprints. The hero's journey is what I was referencing to clear things up. Campbell went through and combed through countless myths, legends and fables from an academic point of view and picked up on all the plot commonalities. It's really impressive considering storytelling as a form doesn't get much serious academic scrutiny. One can argue the different groups making stories over time used the hero's journey (and archetypes for that matter), but it's a very different thing to have the *awareness* of how & why the stories were successful. As an analogy think of it like how peoples have been making alcohol for millenia, but only relatively recently understood the science & chemistry of it.
Another point not often mentioned is that the virtues women tend to embody are usually more subtle and quieter than the virtues of their male counterparts, and that these traits are not the domain of either men or women. That these virtues can and should apply to everyone, but are noticed more strongly in either males or females. A Virtuous man - Protects the weak, often this includes Women and Children who are the most vulnerable of society. A woman should also have a protective spirit. While most cases, a man will not need a woman to protect him, children and the infirmed certainly do. A Virtuous woman - Is kind and gentle. A nurturing spirit that tends wounds and calms others. A man should be kind too. This is expressed often by little things - a nod, a bow, holding the door, being patient with their mother or an old woman. You can also see this expressed in Disney films. With the two above examples.... Mulan's Father is the man of the family, and while he doesn't want to go to war, he will for his family. But it is Mulan who picks up that torch and carries it. She knows she is outclassed in many ways by her male contemporaries, but she uses the gifts she does have to push forward. She is a protective spirit, of her father, of her companions/friends and even her country and emperor. It all springs from the protective quality she has, not just duty. Adam/Beast from Beauty and the beast initially lacks kindness and compassion. It's through Belle that he begins to restrain his childish impulses and really start to think about the consequences of his actions. This kindness culminates in him being willing to let Belle go, because he knows keeping her against her will would be cruel and unkind. His kindness also makes him start to think beyond himself. In addition to gifting Belle the library, he is also more even tempered and considerate of his staff after being under her influence. The words **Mutually Beneficial** is how I would describe the fairy tale princesses - the virtues they have and the lessons they teach.
@@robinthrush9672You've missed the point entirely. Ideally men and women should protect each other regardless of their gender but in the real world that's not how it always works because women tend to be more vulnerable because we live in a patriarchal society. Ofc, that doesn't change the fact that women will do whatever they can to protect their loved ones including men. But that should be a given. You shouldn't have to say women SHOULD because women already do it's just done differently from how men protect them. But even then, MEN should be protecting women in terms of reputation because it's women who are socially scorned by men due to misogyny. They're the ones that are shunned and shamed by society not men.
@@sunnysodapop I only agree that it should be a given. I disagree with everything else you said to my rather meager addendum to the OP from personal experience and from following the news.
@@robinthrush9672 Would you disagree that women's reputations are the ones constantly judged throughout society more harshly historically to modern day?
@@sunnysodapop Yes. One need only look at how quickly society will leap into action to demonize a man accused of harming a woman with no evidence provided. I acknowledge some historical exceptions that are based on religious texts, but need to point out that not all of the world follows Judeo-Christian mythologies, environmental factors were much different "historically" making the liberties we have today extreme privileges, that the historical record is much more sparse to make judgements from, and humanity has a tendency to villainize previous generations in regard to the treatment of women (you can see this in laws from the 1800s in the USA readily).
I do see where the criticism of Snow White is coming from, but I don't think it's particularly important since the film came out ... wow, almost 100 years ago. Snow White is very much a product of her time period and it would be anachronistic to criticise her portrayal for it. Her wholehearted enjoyment of her domestic role, and her ability to endure great suffering with endless patience and a smile, ring false today because we know that many women in the 1930s had no choice but to do so. We know that the 30s film is romanticising a role that was forced on many women. However. There is nothing inherently wrong or disempowered about Snow White's quiet nature and enjoyment of domestic activities. In fact, in our modern day, it would be empowering to see a live-action Snow White who is just as conciliatory and just as fond of cooking and cleaning as the original. It would affirm that women are indeed individual human beings with individual preferences.
In this day and age? Never... Would probably be a good change of pace though. However if it even did decently they would claim the audience is bigoted against women
I doubt that will happen, since the Disney princes are either boring or creepy, so the tone of those princess movies would change drastically. In the case of Prince Eric, “The Little Mermaid” would turn into a stereotypical teen boy fantasy movie in terms of *a teen boy finding a beautiful, naked girl who can’t speak and isn’t knowledgeable about human culture, and then the teen boy taking her back to his place.* Then again, Disney already made such a movie told from the POV of the mermaid’s male human lover. It was called “Splash”, which was released under Disney’s “Touchstone Pictures” label, thus predating “The Little Mermaid” by five years! Furthermore, boys don’t need Disney prince movies because they already have westerns, action movies, and comic book superheroes that all show how awesome it is to be a man.
It's a shame that many of Disney's remakes seem to look down on the originals, as all the princesses have good qualities to learn from. And yeah, I'd like Kida as a princess as well. Wasn't a fan of her movie though, and Disney not wanting to spend extra money to advertise it for her makes sense.
@@ErickSoares3 It'd definitely be risky; the concept of Atlantis is a familiar one, though they use different cultural references to make it instead of Ancient Greece. However, it being a science-fantasy film could make it easy to fall into the hundreds or other sci-fi/fantasy films that come out every year. Making it a musical would've helped ir stand out, but apparently the crew took it in stride that it wasn't a musical.
@@RT_ist Right?! Plus I think Disney hasn't mastered storytelling without musicals, with Raya (which I wish was a musical; James Newton Howard makes great scores, doesn't he?) and Strange World being recent examples. It does make me wonder, though: If Atlantis had been a musical--or if The Emperor's New Groove had been a musical like it was originally planned to be (I recommend checking out the deleted songs and scenes for it, then called "Kingdom of the Sun"), I do wonder how this would've affected Disney's dark era and if it would've came out of it's slump earlier.
A lot of this comes from this warped perception of "needing a man" and action heroes. Action hero guys go around and kick but and shoot up the badguys. Like john wick goes around without any help or any woman and beats up all the bad guys cause action guys are just so awesome, so they make action girl boss movie where she's 10 times better than john wick and don't need no one. Only thing is, John had a lot of help. The first two particularly are about his love for his wife. And the anger at the people who will just not leave him alone in his memories and sorrow builds into the third movie, collecting together and circling around again at the end. Every movie had people who were helping john along the way, even the bad guys decide to help john. There is a lot of connections between him and others. And he even has to be saved a few times by men and women alike. but not action girl boss. She does everything with minimal damage, completely solo, and beats up those chauvinistic pigs who dare tried to help her because she's just so much better. Similar with asshole characters like Rick Sanchez and Gregory House. Both of these characters are sarcastic, and cynical. Butt hey have layers. Like an onion. or an Ogre. Or something. AS you start to get down past their prickly outer layers, you find that they really do actually care for other people. Maybe not care for everyone, but certain people they will fight to protect. And then you have Velma, which is set to be similar as a sarcastic cynical character, but the love that Rick and Gregory had is not there. There is just hate.
Minor nitpick. Moana is a Disney princess. She is the daughter of the chief. She will become the next chief. She is royalty to her people. If Pocahontas, daughter of the chief, is a princess.....so is Moana. You're correct on Mulan though. But spot with everything else. The line referenced by Repunzle is so infuriating and clearly shows the writers lack of knowledge for their own IP, in addition to the political brainwashing they have, is astounding. Final point. The prince in Snow White fell in love with her while she was still in rags (due to the stepmother). They had that love connection and that allowed for him to "save her". But because she was saved doesn't make her weak. It's love that saved her. In the form of the prince and in the form of the seven dwarves. That was Snow White's strength, creating love. .....something that is timeless and is never dated. Maybe the actress should remember that.
The new Snowhite is an abomination, and i cannot forgive what they did to Mulan. OG Mulan dressed as her father to do the war at his place due to his health's conditions, and she was worried for him as a whole. She didn't relied on powers but her determination, strenght, courage. Recent Mulan removed Mushu because "realism", yet they added a witch who can turn into a bird.. the hell is that? 😂 Mushu was the guardian of her family for centuries, his presence was needed, at least, from what the leader of the ancestors believed. He grew with Mulan throught the story like she did.
@@QueSeraSeraaaaagreed. Live action Mulan was the movie Disney believed would cater to communist China. And it pleased no one. Mind you that Mulan had an actress criticizing Hong Kong while Disney thanked the same province that has Uigars locked up in prison camps. That's the soulless virtue signaling company that Disney has become.
There was no need for the snarky comment about the actress. She’s marketing the movie she was hired for; it’s her job. She isn’t who deserves the scrutiny, as she did not write this movie. I’ll never understand how people can acknowledge Disney’s mistreatment of their classics yet not realize the actors have no control over it.
Disney has always honoured the classic "Snow White and the 7 dwarfs" as 'The first and fairest of them all'. They seem to have forgotten that. I feel sorry for Walt and his nine old man. The reason why Walt succeeded in the first place was that he was determined to follow his own ideas no matter what others would think of it. Otherwise, Snow White would have never been made at all! Today's Disney CEO don't have their own ideas apparently. They just want to follow the current political fashion, and that's all they seemingly care about. But they are not the only ones.
It's not even the current political fashion. Shallow fake faux progressivism isn't what the Left is calling for. This is just greedy pandering to what these CEOs THINK Gen Z wants.
Finding out that Emma Watson REFUSED to wear a floor length dress so they had to use VFX to make it that length and I believe a say in how it looked made me so mad! If I was playing Belle I would just want the dress to suit my body, skin tone and one up the Cinderella dress
She did indeed have the best dress! I just wish the designers were able to go all out for the live action version instead of what we got, which I think didn't do the original dress any justice
Much would have been forgiven (not completely forgiven) if Belle's dress had been the right COLOR. Banana yellow is ugly when you consider the gorgeous yellow gold gown from the cartoon. In the way they made the prince's party at the beginning of the movie fit the time period with dresses, Belle's gown should have had a similar silhouette to her time period.
If they wanted to do a remake of Snow White as strong female, they should've done something like what happened in Ever After, which is my favorite version of the Cinderella story. Nice analysis ❤
I find it ironic how Disney supposedly wants to empower their female leads in the remakes but by doing so, they're directly saying that their female leads were not empowered. You see the contradictory? The animated princesses were not perfect but they had their own goals, finding a prince or not. They were already strong.
Regarding Atlantis: Kida literally is a strong, independent woman who kicks ass the FIRST scene we see her. She’s intelligent (multilingual), welcoming, and cares about the future of her kingdom. She falls for the NERDY guy who proves his character by turning away safety and a chance to get back to the surface world because he truly loves Atlantis and believes it’s wrong to leave them all to die. For all he knew, he would’ve died with the Atlanteans. Disney literally doesn’t have to do ANYTHING to the plot and it’s still got a modern feel to the gendered dynamics. Hell, look at their MECHANIC and the femme fatale character! Disney really lost the plot with their cash grabs.
Frankly, I think we need to stop giving any attention to the "disney princesses are terrible role models!!1!!" because you can tell 90% of them didn't watch the movies and therefore they have zero standing in the argument. Like Tangled came out in fucking 2010, it's not some archaic piece of media or something
I never thought the Disney Princesss were corny or very annoying I always found them so swe and cool like I'll say Ariel, Cinderella, Belle, Jasmine, Esmeradla, and Auorra
Well said. I am grateful for the many women in the past who have fought for the rights of women. But now these "rights" are being viewed as "requirements". It's great that women can go to college and get jobs, but it's easy for people to look at a woman in disappointment if they instead choose to be a stay at home mom. It's great that women can be independent and live on their own, but is it really that bad for a woman to desire marriage and have a man to help support her in her life? Over the years, it feels like the rights of women, both in the film industry and everyday life, have gone from being a privilege to being intoxicating. I'm really sick and tired of the expectations the world puts on women these days.
First of all: There’s nothing wrong with having a Prince save you. Second: As you’ve stated, the traditional Princess films tell complex & empowering stories that actually have very little to do with ‘chasing a man.’ They allow the female characters to feel REAL. 🌹 By trying so hard to portray the female characters as “Strong” they take away from the realism, and UNDERMINE other important traits in the character. A relatable character has the same desires, temptations, and conflicts as us. What makes them truly strong is, finding the most moral resolution despite conflicting motivations. A relatable character is not a one dimensional heroin who is stereotypically “strong.” I’d like to end my point with this one: Can we please stop demonizing romance? Desiring love/loyalty is both innately human and MAGICAL. 🔮 It’s possible to have a female heroine who is ‘strong’ whilst still desiring or being involved in romance. ❤
I'm asexual and I still respect someone who wants romance...I wanna be single and still get attracted by feelings, let's respect people's different wants... There's nothing wrong with being single and there's nothing wrong with wanting a partner
I think another massive issue is modern princesses are made with the Disney Princess line in mind. They have to be perfect, they have to represent X group in a positive way etc. They are not supposed to have any flaws or imperfections etc. They have to be the perfect marketable doll Disney can sell. The story, character and pot of the movies come after they consider the Marketing value of the princess.
I know the old princesses are not bad examples for children, but it's true that they're from another time and I think I like them only because I saw them when I was little. I am curious to hear the opinion of someone who didn't grow up with them. Also it annoys me that Disney can't do a new fairy tale adaptation without making a remake and pulling down the old version. Remember Brandy Cinderella from 1997 ? A Disney Cinderella movie but not a remake of the 1950 cartoon. It was different with new songs and a black main actress, but it didn't need to go "look how badly the first one got old!", it was just it's own separate thing.
I did not grow up with (most) Disney princesses (I watched very little TV as child).. Now, I *did* grow up with fairy tales, so when I watched the movies as teen or adult I knew the basic stories (though "The little Mermaid" was... different than expected. Lol.) I liked most of the movies when I finally watched them. Found Snow White a tad to episodic, like they did not quite know how to make the story flow, but, it is no surprise they were still learning and breaking out of the more "shorts" style animation. I really loved Sleeping Beauty, because I think the three fairies are both badass and funny, and because Malificent is a great villain. Let's just say that I have a love hate relationship with the movie "Malificent" due to that, as it at least does something different than many life action "remakes", but also screws up my favourite characters in the process. I never got the feeling the princesses where weak or anything like that and quite enjoy the movies today.
Fa Zhou dropping the sword and crest to the side and immediately hugging Mulan is the sort of subtle storytelling that Disney seems almost incapable of nowadays. It's sad. Also, in NO circumstances outside of fiction would any of these people be okay with you looking at someone who is a victim of abuse and saying, "Why don't you just get yourself out of this situation?" In fact, I wager those very people would find that notion offensive and downright evil. So why on God's green earth would you say that fictional characters should be made to do that? Why does Snow White have to "rescue herself" in order to be considered a "strong" female character? Why can't she need help? Real people often need help, and your stories need to appeal to REAL people if you want them to live on.
I hate the messaging in the new movies about strong females. Their teaching girls that they need to be cold hearted workaholics that don’t need love to be viewed as strong.. this is an excellent analysis of what Disney leadership is not seeing. I’m in my 30s and seeing these woman in their young 20s trying to be the girls boss annoys me and I feel sorry for them
That feeling when people say Incredibles 2 has the first movie with a female protag and villain when the first ever Disney animated movie has a female protag and villain.
There’s nothing wrong with the Disney princesses, especially the classic ones and you go to the ones I’m talking about the fact that they think that they need to twist and morph them into some thing that they’re not is really disgusting.
This is giving me the same energy as old classic literature books getting cancelled or even actually thrown out of libraries because they have a problematic word in them or something. Completely missing the core concept and themes of that book, the context and culture of the time and place it was written, why it is considered a classic, and the positive messages within. It's just another case of hating $hit just because you don't understand and (literally in the case of my comparsion) did not crack open a book to find out about the topic.
I feel reasons Kida isn't a princess other than the movie doing poor are also that she's too old (like 5000 years old, immortal), her most iconic outfit would be considered too inappropriate (it's basically just lingerie with a towel), and she becomes a queen later so....
it reminds me of the cheetah girl song that goes "i don't want to be like cinderella sitting in a dark dusty cellar, i don't want to be like snow white waiting for a prince to come and save me, i rather rescue myself" i think that illustrates my thoughts on it in a neat way, modern storytelling has people getting forced into adventures against their will, there is literally a part of the hero's journey where the hero refuses the call to adventure but then is forced to, and i think that lack of agency makes people notice that women already have a lack of agency in stories, you want to be cinderella and snow white when they are doing something cool, you want to be snow white peting a deer after having walked in the forrest for a whole night and cried your eyes out and continue anyway, you want to be snow white saying that every, elligible, maiden. can go to the party, so you are good enough to go. maybe dance with the prince, why not? you want to be moana when she's learning the lost wayfinding techniques of her people, however, you don't want to be moana when she's in a storm almost drowning, possibly unable to save her island, you don't want to be snow white when she survives assassination because the huntsman can't kill her, because yeah, it sucks when you're almost getting assassinated and you freeze in fear like a normal person and you survive due to something you don't have control of, that's what the story is about, belle didn't want to give up her freedom and ariel didn't want to give up her voice, but the conflict of the story means they are forced into situations they don't want to be in, that are terrible, i think for female characters we might need more stories where they have a choice to go into danger, similar to belle choosing to stay in the castle multiple times. basically in short, male heroes being forced to fight against their will is seen as heroic but female characters are more often put in a situation that isn't just against their will but people percieve as shameful, while in reality there's nothing shameful about being stuck in cinderella's situation, she's being a hero every day just taking care of herself. but the older disney princesses are stuck in a situation that they can't get out of themselves, so they need help, there's nothing the prince or snow white could do to defeat the queen, the dwarves chased her off a cliff and the prince needed to cure the poison. even if the prince saved her earlier, the queen still would've come after her. for a better example, aladdin needing the genie isn't seen as him being weak, but he wouldn't be allowed to if he was a girl, but also aladdin fighting isn't seen as him being in a truly nasty spot, but jasmine being forced to marry against her will is seen as shameful for her that she doesn't say more, it is written in an odd way yes but it's more so that it's unclear why the sultan couldn't or didn't care about how she felt or what the consequence for her never marrying is. aladdin also chooses to try to meet jasmine for his own gain, not because he selflessly wants to save her. partially selfless but he does still like her and lie to her instead of tell her he's there to help her. he also could've chosen to wish for wealth and just not save her, he choose himself to be at risk to help her in the way that he did, snow white never had a choice in what safehouse she'd hide in, let's be fair and say there's no way to see it coming that the beauty obsessed queen would turn into an old lady or pay one to poison her using an apple specifically. i'd have to take more time to see if it's a trend that male heroes have more agency or if people act like they do because a man fighting for his life is seen as having more agency than a woman godforbid cleans something while commanding squirrels. and defeating a large beast is seen as triumphant but no one ever says it's impressive that snow white cleaned that whole house without being forced to while commanding the animals to do something they've never done before. so yeah this comment is long enough now, thanks for reading this far if anyone does
Disney Princesses have honestly been my role models growing up, but I can’t even enjoy the franchise as a whole anymore because Disney seems hellbent on moving the themes of the Princesses away from femininity while also being greedy and money hungry.
Although I generally agree with you on Cinderella 2 the one speck of light was what they tried to do with Anastasia(it still was bad but could have been good maybe if it had been a full story that wasn't broken up with a cat and less forced humor) It is realistic how Anastasia may have seen how her mother wasn't really setting her up for happiness and would want to change. In "Ever After" the not-so-bad stepsister thing was done really well and Drew Barrymore made an excellent Cinderella
When Rosalina created a bridge for Mario in Super Mario Galaxy before the final battle, that was the most amazing and badass scene ever from a Mario game. The music, the ambiance, everything helped to make it an epic scene. Zelda is another badass too, my favorite is the ones from Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks.. Peach is too underused, i remember she could weaken Bowser and lifting him and throwing him out of her castle in Bowser's Inside Story. She even got a game Super Princess Peach, and playing as her in Super Paper Mario felt great.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa And when we get to the Fire Emblem Princesses, there’s really no contest between who’s the better between Nintendo and Disney in that department.
Honestly, as a Dutch woman who has Roma ancestry through my father's side, I am genuinely shaking with fear for how they will handle the announced live-action for the Hunchback of Notre Dame. They already did Esmeralda so dirty from removing her from the Disney princess line-up whilst other non-princesses have been kept. Considering her plot has to do with racial hatred and fetishization, I fear Disney is just going to shove politics into it rather then actually taking a critical look at how people (including Disney themselves) have treated the Roma community in the past. I mean, erasing Esmeralda fits into a pattern the Roma know far too well, just look at how people talk about WWII. When it comes to the minorities who died in WWII, the Roma come in 2nd after the Jews, but America is always talking about the Jews and the black people whereas the Europeans are always talking about the Jews and occasionally even the gays nowadays before they remember the Roma exist. Or how nobody ever talks about how the Roma's whole culture is built upon them having been slaves who got their freedom back but their old community viewed them as tainted forever and they were basically outcasted and created the entire performing culture as a means to survive, whenever people are talking about slavery? The Roma's historical suffering is largerly overlooked, and considering Disney has been the exact same up until this point as they didn't bother releasing new Esmeralda dolls upon becoming woke yet so far either, Disney is NOT the company to tackle the specific way the Roma culture has been historically treated.
The fact is Disney's marketing team doesn't know how to promote their new movies without trashing their old movies. It doesn't mater if they're wrongly interpreting the old movie or not.
Plus with Eric as a prince people consider him to be bland and generic but he was probably the most genuine Disney prince in 2d animation prob because although he fell in love with a woman who saved him but even when finding a lady who he believed wasn’t the girl he still helped Ariel and took her into the palace like-
Aldone has been, just not directly. Every failing mentioned in this video falls at Iger's feet in one way or another. Chapek's own failures were all either started or completed by Iger. He's the top of the chain of command, so if something fails under him, he's responsible. As with all companies, the buck stops at him, no one else. If he isn't delegating responsibility right, he is accountable, no one else.
Your video on The Little Mermaid remake is what got me checking out your channel. I went to see it in theaters and loved it visually, but it lacked the magic of the original. I must say, I truly enjoy how you break down movies from Disney’s Renaissance! They were so good and just have something about them that make them classics, contrary to today’s movies and remakes that try so hard to be “progressive” but end up watering down the stories as a result. You’re saying everything I agree with!
I actually LOVE Atlantis and she and Giselle are in the top for my favorite princesses. Followed by Aurora, Belle, Mulan/Ariel, Cinderella and Snow White. I dont care for the newer ones at all so they dont make the list. The reason Pocahontas isnt on the list isn simply cause younger me didnt care about her. I thought the movie was pretty and good but I just didnt care about her so she isnt here😅. Same with Esmeralda but I did think she was VERY pretty so she IS above Pocahontas in my book
There is this strange false notion that women need to be "badasses" to be empowered, where many dismiss that showing compassion, concern, resilience and strength of sipirit is empowerement. Cinderella is criticized so much while it's her resilience and inner strenght that leads her to free herself, Snow White gentle but firm nature is what endears her to the dwarves, Ariel curious nature is what leads her to live on land like she wanted...so true, many of the messages are missed and dismissed by narrow minded views.
It has always irked me that people who haven't watched these movies since they were kids throw around such negative takes as if it's a fact. Especially Cinderella, no she did not wish for a prince, she just wanted a better chance than her current abusive situation. I'm also glad Kida was brought up, she's my favorite because her entire motivation is her people, I have that speech she gives her father memorized because it's so passionate and shows how much she cares and how worried she is that her civilization is fading away. A lot of people want Atlantis to have a live action remake, but I'd worry they focus on the warrior part of her character more than the duty she feels as the princess and later queen
The Belle stuff annoys me because there's ACTUALLY an outdated message in the original story there, but people talk about Stockholm Syndrome and "I can fix them" partners instead. This story is essentially about an arranged marriage. And how genuine love can eventually bloom out of it. Which isn't WRONG, as I'm sure that love did eventually pop up. But arranged marriages aren't exactly a thing anymore. But the stuff about the Beast needing to change himself in order to be worthy of Belle's affection is still great writing, and no critical analysis will tell me otherwise.
How is it about arranged marriage? The curse didn't require marriage, only mutual love. Belle and the beast got married because they mutually loved each other. They didn't need to, but they did.
@@mehorton2657 It’s more about how to deal with anxieties of arranged marriages: your husband may be mean and abusive, but if you’re patient and kind enough to put up with him, he’ll eventually come around.
@@arithelion5946 The OP means in the allegorical sense. Of course, there’s not a literal arranged marriage. The fairy tale was written during a time when arranged marriages were the norm in 1750s France, so one can see Belle learning to love the Beast in spite of his ugliness and meanness as a parable for how to deal with male suitors you don’t like.
@@beethovensfidelio In the 1740 story, the Beast was neither mean nor abusive. He was very kind to Beauty, and she almost agreed to marry him several times, but she was turned off by his ugliness. The moral of that version isn't that if you're kind, cruel people will suddenly be good, it's that you shouldn't judge people [by initial appearances]. Also, the Disney version is nothing like the 1740 tale, so that argument doesn't hold up against it.
@@arithelion5946 The Disney version isn’t like the 1740 story by Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve because the Disney version adapted the abridged version from 1756 by Madame Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast_(1991_film)
You also have that princess from Black Cauldron, Elowyne I think? No one ever talks about her, the movie bombed and it has no songs. People barely consider it a Disney movie.
I would like a movie with a Romanian princess. There's not a lot animated movies about this country, it would be fun to make a new princess who is born there. I am half-romanian half-french, would be happy to see a character of this nationality. Maybe the story would be about a brother and a sister, defeating a villain together to save their parents? We rarely saw them being capture by a villain, it's always the mother who is dead and the father raise the kid alone.
You mean like a animated movie about Ileana Cosanzeana? I'm not a romanian but that would be really cool. (Tho that name got overshadowed by Genshin 😭) or also Ileana Simziana?
Every Disney princess is a trauma victim and yet we somehow came up with Disney princess syndrome. Moana was also a daughter of a chief, so the princess title still fits.
Honestly, the only princess that wasn't empowering was Aurora. Mainly because she was more of a plot device than a character and the little personality she had was just a discount Snow White.
That's because she wasn't the main focus. When you really think about it the main focus was on the 3 good fairies given they raised her and became attached to her. It's not perfect but it's not as bad as most of you are claiming it to be.
I actually feel like the "big strong man" line could have worked. Cause literally everyone that complains about the princesses act like that's what happened. They ignore everything the princesses went through and boil it down to "big man came to save them" when they are so much more than that.
I always understood the “big strong man” line to be poking fun at Disney Princess critics who complain about that so I’m surprised people criticize that line.
I know I've always hated how they categorize Mulan as a disney princess when she CLEARLY isn't! She doesn't even marry or end up with a prince in the end!
Right? She's just a badass villager who saved an entire country from an army that were the huns, even facing their leader for a final fight. Indeed she isn't royalty, nor married one. The three princesses from the sequel would fit in that category.
I don’t understand how no one says how the princes were waiting around for their princesses to show up. Prince Charming was waiting for waiting right one, prince philip was waiting for aurora to come back home, Eric was waiting around. Talk about no drive to get the job done and find someone to marry.
In Gandalf's own rather underrated words to Galadriel when she asked about why the underdog Bilbo Baggins is with the Dwarves and him: "Saruman believes that it is great power, that can keep evil in check, but that is not what I found, I found that is the simple deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay, why Bilbo Baggins?, it is because I'm afraid and he gives me courage."
A huge part of why I think this sort of thing is happening to Disney is probably the fact that... *drumroll please* Disney is in California, a place of wanton liberalism. Not that being liberal is necessarily bad, it's just bad when either side goes to the extreme, and places of power attract extremists. Disney has a lot of power and therefore it has gathered many of the outliers of society-ish. There are more normal moderate people in there, but people with extreme views and passions have a way of making their way to the spotlight. So the extreme (and in many case dumb and ignorant who try to be "woke"), bleed into our media. Art mimics reality after all. I could probably write much more, but this is such a stupidly complex subject on studying the modern society a whole. Farewell.
I did not expect the topics you covered to be put in, and I am so glad I watched this. I was the person to think the first few princess weren’t great when thinking about the saving aspect. But you broke down that there is more and it has helped me see them in a different light. Thank you.
One of my favorite Disney movies to this day is Beauty and the Beast, _because_ Belle displays her nobility and strength of character by sacrificing her freedom , to save her father! Rachel Zegler would _never_ - and that’s the problem. “oh no! The horror! A woman choosing to self sacrifice something she wants for someone else? Especially a MAN?! Horrifying!” The twisted ideas of man-hating 3rd-wave feminism have turned the ideals of self sacrifice and putting oneself AFTER others into bad things!
Disney has somehow managed to destroy their brand, they probably owned some of the most valuable IP in the world. What they should have done is continued building on their IP not pulling it down, theres a saying , it if ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Kida is also a favorite of mine, super overlooked and eligible for the strong woman archetype that Disney has been promoting for. As the daughter of the king, she actually is a Disney princess.
Word of Advice; Always Carefully and Closely Study and Dissect the Original Film, the Plot line, Source Material, and the Story; Especially Study [and Dissect] the Details, the FrameWork of the Story and the Original Film Itself Before Filming the Remake and Adding Intriguing Liberties without Ruining the Story.
Love this! My only critque is saying that the actresses made or brought down their movies. I think corporate disney and the producers should carry the success or blame for the way the story and main points go. The actresses follow direction and script. Of course, every actor and actress bring a lot to the screen but ultimately it isnt their decision to how the direction of the films go overall.
I think the true forgotten disney princess is Eilonwy. She was also strong , hard headed, kind, and feminine. She was always one of my favorite princesses. (on your comment about no one dressing up as Kida, believe me I would but I am white and dont want to be accused of white washing or cultural appropriation that many people scream about when a white person dresses up as a character that isnt white,)
I am TERRIFIED of how tangled/rapunzel will be represented in the live action (which will probably one day come, seeing how things are going now.) I've watched the movie countless times and watched the series a bunch and Its one of my favorite movies. If they'll ruin it I am defenitely going to be very sad.
Mulan joined to be a soldier in order to save her father's life. I think she felt guilty for not being a son. being able to go to war instead of her father. When he was obviously not in the physical state to be able to handle going to war. I think she saw him fall, Realized that if he left a war he most slightly wasn't going to come back. Probably thought about what it would do to Her family if they didn't have her father. She went over all of this while sitting on the great Stone dragon. I think the spirit of the dragon Gave her The strength of courage To go In her father's stead, in order to protect her family. That's why the Stone dragon couldn't be awakened and started the crumble. It gave it all to Mulan, So she could save her family save her Country. Just my personal Theory don't know if it's correct.
Also unlike some princesses, Kida isn’t against tradition or trying to break it, in fact, she bemoans that her cultures dying, and that she wants to know more about their past. That’s really refreshing.
Honestly I hate how they treat Disney Princesses as if they are a disgrace to their company despite the fact that they made the company what it is and what it has become
Especially princesses like Snow White and Cinderella and yet people disrespect them.
Tell me about it especially the classic ones they act like the ones from 1937, 1954, 1959 and 1989 respectively and you know the ones I’m talking about they act like those for specifically Argus crisis because they are not ““ strong females. Are you kidding me those four in my personal opinion Are the strongest princesses in the whole Disney collection.
@marshalmarrs3269I’m listening😮
100% agree. I relate with animated Mulan for many reasons, but one reason is because she wasn't just naturally good at stuff. She ended up being the worst ajd had to work extra hard due to being at a disadvantage physically as a woman . But she proves herself and excels, not due to raw talent, but due to her passion and her drive and of course her ability to think outside the box in versatile
ways to make up for her disadvantages. But then remake makes her just naturally powerful, as if that is a better message to people. Maybe people like my brother who were just naturally good at everything, but not normies like me and the majority of people out there.
The crazy part: Rachel seems to be the first Disney princess actress for a live-action remake who hates the original; all her predecessors had nothing but love to give the OG princesses.
And I think they way they treat princesses is based off of the reception Disney had around the 2000s; I cannot TELL YOU how often I'd hear the original 3 Disney princesses as well as Ariel and Pocahontas get put down when I was in school.
It burns me up how people want Snow White and Cinderella to just... girlboss their way out of abuse.
Yeah in hindsight all that discourse comes off as very...victim blamey.
@@metademetraIt comes off as heavy handed and patronizing. As if a girl becoming mean and toxic is better.
When to find a movie about a male that just sat around and waited for everyone less to safe him, than you can come argue.
@@farahjichi4617 that's a terrible interpretation of those characters. Cinderella TRIED to go to the ball herself but her stepsisters ruined her dress at the last moment. Snow White was almost killed at the behest of the queen and she offered to work for the Dwarves to earn her keep. They were strong young women who got help from friends.
Needing help doesn't make someone weak.
@@cerulee no that's a perfect summarization of the general theme and that doesn't change just because they had different conflicts and story arcs..
Cinderella tried to go to that ball because she naively thought she would be allowed, not because she was trying to do something about her abusive living conditions
You know who gets Disney Princesses? The writers of Sofia The First. They clearly respect those princesses and know what the lessons learned and strengths were.
and the sad/funy thing is, people wont know or dismiss this fact because " thats a little girls show meant for little girls only"
i swear to god....
The same writers that had Sofia rewarded with a golden trophy for scoring the highest on a test.
Yesss 100% agree
@@EyesWillRulelmao
Its very depressing how they want to make everything motivating and inspiring into blame and sour dictation.
One thing I will always love about Moana is how its conclusion encapsulates the “divine feminine” so well. Moana defeats Te Kaa not through physical aggression (which is tried by Maui - who portrayed masculine energy) but through understanding and compassion- embodying the classical feminine energy.
Moana is probably Disney’s most “feminist” movie, as it depicts a female villain being defeated by a female heroine using the power of the feminine energy.
No “girl-bossing” required.
Righttttttt man luv luv your comment it was spot on
The Princess and the Frog has the same theme but people always leave out Princess Tiana, the only Disney Princess with the word "Princess" in both her name and the title of the movie! Why is that?
I like her i just dont like how she gets insulted for being called a princess. I dont see anything wrong with wanting to be like Cinderella, snow white, or Belle or Jasmine. They all are princesses but have great qualities.
@@GeeBee212 - good point. Tiana is also an awesome Disney character. She shows that you don’t have to set aside love in order to achieve your dreams.
I'm sick of us being turned into men. All of these "girl bosses" are men in women's clothes. I appreciate this comment so much, thank you. For a woman to be strong is to embrace herself, not attempt to become the opposite sex.
The new Mulan was an absolute crime against the original. A live-action re-telling of a coming-of-age story starting a clumsy, adorkable misfit with a golden heart who put her own life on the line to save her father, and grew to be a clever, confident, and competent woman who saved all of China? Nope. A story of a young Jedi woman who didn't need to grow or improve, and just needed to be herself. Compelling.
Kennedy must have been involved with her Force is Female crap.
Mulans reason for going to war was so beautiful, and they ruined it with that crap movie!!!!
The worst movie I ever saw
Nah, and the way it implied that the only reason why Mulan could do what she did was because she had something magical while also implying that not only are men born with that but women who aren’t have to adhere to their roles?
And the worst part, they removed Mushu, crickey and Li shang
One part of Moana I don't like is how they make fun of being a princess, treating it like an offense because Moana technically isn't a princess but a daughter of a chieftain. But then she's a part of the princess lineup. Also, the description of wearing a dress and having a pet sidekick seems to be an excuse as to why Mulan is a part of the princess brand even tho she's not a princess. What about Esmeralda? She was a member but was taken out. What about Meg? What about Kida? Elsa was and Anna is queen now.
Disney is about money. If a female character is ''too adult'' to fit the Disney new brand like Esmeralda and Meg or if their movies were flops like Kida from Atlantis and ''what's her name'' from the Black Cauldron.
her name is eilonwy lol
Actually, fun fact about that, Anna and Elsa really aren't official Disney Princesses. Like, they'll be included sometimes, but the Frozen movies are such money makers that Anna and Elsa are perfectly marketable on their own. Usually you hear about Disney Princesses getting snubbed because their movies made no money, but here we have a case of getting snubbed for being too successful
@@imonlyndon Thank you for remembering Princess Eilonwy. Great minds think alike. 😊
BTW, Disney really did the Chronicles of Prydain dirty. The movie the Black Cauldron actually introduced me to the books, which were actually better. The Black Cauldron is actually the second book in the series. Basically the movie is the first two books smushed together. Sorry if I went on a bit of a tangent. I just really love The Chronicles of Prydain.😅
@@mollietenpenny4093If the movie didn’t flop so hard, it could’ve been a series. Maybe Disney might remake it into something good one day but that’s probably not gonna happen
Maybe they don't count because the movies are neither about them nor named after them? Atlantis is named after the city and primarily follows Michael J. Fox, Hercules is about Hercules, The Hunchback of Notre Dame is about Quasimodo, The Black Cauldron mostly follows the irresponsible boy character.
Not that Mulan has ANY connection to a princess by birth, marriage, or societal role.
Edit: Forgot about Aladin. Guess the name and focus things aren't the reason since he was both compared to Jasmine.
Current Disney needs to learn the lesson that Tiana learned in her movie. She was already empowered to make her dreams come true, but she also needed to become a person who could embrace love and relax to enjoy her success.
ive been saying this for years, Mulan is not a princess shes not even an empress of any sorts, she’s just a bad ass warrior
True!!
@@Superlad945 ahhh I see now, that's actually very interesting take!
@@mehorton2657 or Esmeralda. She´s a kind, badass street dancer, who defies the the oppressor of her people.
Shes a general also
She also has the highest body count of any Disney Princess, from when she took out the majority of Shan Yu's army with a single cannon shot.
The fact that Atlantis is GENUINELY one of the most diverse movies ever and they ignore it shows their real agenda
Agreed! But knowing how Disney is now, they would ruin Atlantis..
It may be good if they ignore it. They can’t ruin it anymore 😂
i don’t think it’s fair to criticize Aurora either! just because she wasn’t the main character doesn’t mean she doesn’t have beautiful characterization.
also the three fairies are the true protagonists, so people who complain it’s all about phillip are off the mark.
Yeah the 3 fairies is also a subversion to Disney's own movies where instead of the young princess as the protag, it's her 3 guardians. :D, 3 women who are the ones who carried Prince Phillip in his journey. I think that is a pretty nice representation for strong old women.
Also while I think Aurora is the embodiment of what people criticize, she pretty much was someone who was hidden in the woods, probably no social connections of people other than her 3 fairy godmothers thus falling in love so easily. But after meeting Prince Phillip whom she didn't know was a prince, it was revealed that she was a princess and was forced really quickly a responsibility that she has to bear without any knowledge about what is going on. Though I think she should've had more screentime.
Exactly! That being said I'd love more prince Phillip. He's definitely like top 3 princes for me. Maybe my favorite. Bro killed it while only having like 12 lines 😂
I love aurora
Yeah! She was never told she was cursed to die, how could she defend herself if she never knew!?
I love that movie. It's amazing. Because Phillip is one of the better princes and the story was always more about the princess struggles
And they made him much more virtuous then the original story
Having Ariel girlboss-warrior her way out of Ursula's grip at the end is not only a bad idea for all the valid reasons you mentioned, but also diminishes the fact that Eric saving her is /not/ an archaic "hero rescues damsel" trope. It's a beautiful closure to the fact that Ariel saved him first. Because the most beautiful, healthiest relationships are those where you're ready to save each other. Where you have each other's backs.
Beautifully put! What a wonderful analysis 👍
I second that! @@pinkcrazy5133
Not to mention it made no sense because Ariel wasn't established with experience in sailing nor did she have years of training or the lower body strength to stear the ship. Plus, Prince Eric, who was established to be an experienced sailor, was given little to nothing to do in the climax and worst of all he had little to no agency in the story in the remake.
I hate how much the company has grown to hate their female leads. Like you have a variety of women in a variety of different roles and things they stand for. You have the warriors like Mulan and Moana, you have those that survive adversity and maintain good hearts like Snow and Cinderella, you have characters like Ariel and Jasmine that represent the balance of independence and love and having strong will, and you have characters like Belle that show that it’s okay to be different. And you have princesses like Aurora that…well…exist.
Like you have so many women that have been loved and cherished by so many people. To insult characters that people have loved for so many years is the dumbest practice you could do.
*picks up phone* Hello, electric company? We just found another solution to our power issues; just go to the grave of Walt Disney with a turbine in tow!
Seriously, Disney, what the hey's WRONG with you?!
Walt Disney to Bob Iger: I didn't worked my butt up for this sh*t
@@AllenTheAnimator004 My point exactly!
Maybe need to do a Aurora film to give her more character
@@TheYoungGeninSasuke Maybe Aurora doesn't need more character because the story is about the faeries and the humans are just in for the ride.
I think it's really telling when these "victimized" women can't understand that people in abusive situations can't just free themselves and accuse Cinderella and Snow White of being bad role models. Even if the victim isn't gaslit into thinking it's deserved or justifiable, they might not have a better alternative.
Also, I did not need that revelation of why Ariel is my favorite Disney princess and how I connect with her struggles, but I can't lie and say it doesn't make sense.
All I can say is... THANKS YOU. Snow White is so criminally misunderstood. She IS a leader and is strong. She's just not a girl boss. She's motherly, but where would we be without responsible mothers?
Can you remind us of one scene that shows snow white leading anything? Do you mean cooking and cleaning were her leading skills?
@@farahjichi4617ummm she takes on leading the dwarves and being a good influence on their careless living habits.
@@karhart6663 What did she lead the dwarfs to?!? , she cooked their meals and cleaned their house. Lol
@@farahjichi4617 She helped them live like a family. With her presence, the dwarfs softened up. She would scold them and fix their bad habits. And yes, she did lead them by cooking and cleaning as well.
Snow white showed up at their house with nothing to give. So instead of expecting blind kindness she actually decided to take up chores as they clearly needed that. She couldn't do hard labor so she did what she was best at.
She was optimistic, kind, and also had a strong character. After the forest scene, she was deadly terrified. But figuring out she had also scared the animals, she composed herself and apologized. That shows her caring and brave nature.
She was 14 mind you. She had a forgiving nature and knew not to just expect something out of someone without giving anything in return.
She did sing about love, but for most of the movie, she never mentions it again as a savior route. She hoped to be loved but didn't demand it. And clearly, the dwarves loved her as well.
Snow white is a story about navigating through hard times with hope, courage, and optimism. The movie was released during the great depression.
It was supposed to motivate the public to stay optimistic during hard times but also work towards their goal. If they did so they would be rewarded with their desires.
It also is a beautiful Journey about her finding a family in a place least expected. She never judged them, never hated them, and never cried about her problems.
I'd argue she's one of the strongest princesses considering her age and personality.
@@farahjichi4617if you think cooking and cleaning makes you passive and you can’t lead by that then I don’t know what to tell you. Those two things are two pillars that living together stands on, without cooking and cleaning, your apartment falls apart.
The problem is when it’s expected of someone and they are not valued for it or when cooking and cleaning is viewed as inferior to other tasks. You seem to do that, by the way, just pointing that out.
The dwarfs were grateful they were helped with that and that they had someone who lead them by example (e. g. washing hands). Following that example made their lives better as they enjoyed the domesticity. They were not able to create that by themselves.
If Disney keeps making live action movies and shows, then that means they have no more genuine ideas.
They must've fired talented people some years ago.
they have no more genuine ideas.
I quit being a Disney fan 5 or 6 years ago. The last movie I truly enjoyed is Encanto. This company is DRY, it's been ages they have no new or good ideas.
This is what happens when you hire “activists” instead of real artists these days.
You know with the writers strike going on my theory is that with these writers not having a liveable wage they wouldnt put effort into writing anything good. I certainly wouldnt write anything good if I was paid shit. I also think execs are more likely to greenlight movies that have been proven to be successful or part of a successful IP.
I grew up with Cinderella and i was shocked when i discovered that people actually were stupid enough to believe Cinderella was always looking for romantic love , the fact that i , a 4 years old child got the message about never giving up on your morals and values , and never letting the abusive people in your life change who you are , and if you did so you'd be rewarded , and 40 years old men didn't get it is just hilarious , the Prince's plot doesn't even start rolling until the last 30 minutes or so , the movie is overall not well directed obviously with the mice taking up way too much screentime , but Cinderella's emotional intelligence and survival of her abusive household will always be inspiring to me , I'm glad that my favourite princess was lucky enough to have a great remake , and i hope more people that didn't get the chance to see the strengths in the original and the remake discover it too
Edit : would like to remove the example i mentioned because it's cheap sexism even if it was a joke , but i own it up , sorry if i bothered anyone with my dump comment
So well put. I'm a man, but Cinderella is my favorite Disney animated film. She overcomes her hardships not because she is lucky, but because she earns her happy ending. Her kindness to the mice, helping them, but not doing everything for them, is why they insist on helping her. Jacques and Gus risk their lives for her because she gave them her love first.
Maybe the mice do get undue attention in the film, but Cinderella earns every advantage she receives, and yet remains humble and grateful. Of course, in like manner, Lady Tremaine earns every disadvantage she receives, because throughout she remains just as cruel, selfish, and proud as she is at the start. Cinderella earns her triumph while her stepmother earns her humiliating defeat, which if Cinderella 3 is any indication, she refused to learn from.
EDIT: Fixed typos.
@@g.davidturnblom5751 thanks for sharing your POV , i really forgot about how much of a role model Cinderella is in her kindness to others under her wing , in total contrast to the way lady Tremaine treated her , yet again proving that the moral is to treat others the way you wanna be treated , emphasizing that growing up in an abusive household isn't an excuse to treat others the way you were treated , just amazing morals and values for kids and grown-ups
I also wanted to apologize for relating the ignorance part to 40 years old men when that's just sexism and a bad example , both genders didn't understand the story as shown in feminists and female celebrities , my intention was pointing out that mature people didn't understand the story a child could , but it doesn't excuse my mistake
The fact that she just wanted to go to the ball to just have a good time, didn't even realize she danced with the prince but was just happy and content that she went and experienced it and people write it off her ENTIRE CHARACTER as if she was just waiting for a man to save her always pisses me off to no end.
@@memorian8472 proof that they didn't even watch the movie and are just copying eachother's lame discussion , watch the movie first cowards lol
Cinderella just wanted a night off
Honestly, as a woman, I find the whole "girl boss" type to be... sexist, as much as I hate this word as it has lost all of its meaning. There is nothing wrong with tough female characters who are not looking for love and can pack a punch, but the modern "strong female character" is condescending, insecure to the point where she has to fuel her ego at the expense of men, and actively excludes women who are different (not weaker, no, just different) as if there is something wrong with them.
I also used to think of Snow White as the weakest and most boring princess exactly because I thought I was tougher than her, and cooler. And... I'm still nothing like her. But I've said it in another comment under somebody else's video and I can only say it again, I think it takes more strength and courage to be able to pull yourself together and stay calm and kind after everything Snow White and Cinderella had gone through than to lose your temper and take your anger out on others.
Quite a shame really. Disney had a lovely catalog of diverse roles of Disney Princesses that were quite good in their own right, and even now they've proven that they can make decent ones. Now, they're trashing the classics, and for what? Modernization? What a joke. These stories were products of their times, and they've held up as classics for a very good reason. They helped make Disney what they are today, and the Disney princesses are probably Disney's second biggest team after Mickey and his crew.
Quite frankly, modernization is a nice idea on paper, but it's proven nothing but a massive bane to these films, and even outside of them. I don't care what anyone else says, but I found the changes to Princess Peach in the Mario Movie utterly unnecessary, and a complete misunderstanding of her character. This isn't helped by the interviews for the film, which show that their mentality towards her was similar to the Snow White remake.
No, I think Peach was great in that movie. It really didn’t feel out of place, and it honestly is a vast improvement in this case. The only thing that was a bit weird was when she said she completed the obstacle course first try, that is stretching it. I don’t care that it was some meta commentary on how some players beat levels on the first try while others struggle to beat it, it’s still a bit weird in universe. But that was the only issue there.
@@dannysmi7162 Well, I'll respect your opinion. That said, I massively disagree with calling it a vast improvement. I personally found it to be more of a vast downgrade.
She's been able to hold her own in the games for a while, but her personality and abilities were massively different. She's not some fearless warrior princess. Even in the 40-second clip of her new game, she behaves nothing like the movie.
Movie Peach just felt to me like the most generic badass they could possibly have made her. Not a bad character mind you, and if it weren't supposed to be Peach, I wouldn't mind her(heck, I daresay I might have actually liked her). But as an adaptation of Princess Peach, I disliked her.
@@railroader2431 Fair enough, I guess. Even though she’s a bit different from the games, it just seemed to all fit. Her being a fearless leader just made sense in this world. I don’t usually like when they “modernize” Princesses, and I was skeptical at first when I first heard about it, but it really worked for me here. They really knew what they were doing in this movie. Almost everything just came together really well in this movie. The only thing I would change is having Peach explain that she trained a lot for the obstacle course and that’s why she’s so good at it. Also, Bowser knew about Peach, and vice versa, giving her the motivation to train to become stronger to prevent Bowser or any other enemies that might attack her kingdom. She really wants to protect the toads since they’re her family and did a lot for her so it makes sense she wants to protect them which means she needs to become strong and fearless to do that.
I wouldn't call movie peach a downgrade but rather the other extreme. Peach being a boring damsel like she normally is would make the movie fall way too in line with other movie adaptations. but on the other side she's straight up a boring girl boss that kind of deflates the steaks of mario's journey knowing that she probably could have handled the conflicts herself.
@@trickstercj4366 The thing is, so many games have her as more than just a "boring damsel." I point you to the SMRPG in particular, and stuff like the Paper Mario titles. They had the templates. They just decided to squander it all because I guess Peach's game personality wasn't good enough for some reason.
It’s important to note that Snow White was released during the midst of the Great Depression, so a character who is good and kind being rescued from her peril and her dreams made true would have resonated much more deeply for those in such deep economic crisis.
Finally! Cinderella III getting the recognition it deserves!
It's one of the Disney sequels that's done well
@@DragonGoddess18 Yes it is.
I think what really bothers me about these girlbossified remakes is they feel so deeply dishonest. Disney doesn't care about good female characters, otherwise they'd see the old princesses weren't as bad as they seem to think... Makes me sad
This is exactly why I don't like Raya and the Last Dragon. Not only because of its horrible message about trusting shady people and an incredibly annoying character who was voiced by an incredibly annoying actress, but Raya herself is also the problem. They tried to make her more like Mulan, but more like the one from the live-action version. However, she is more moody and vindictive.
Have you even watched The Bad Guys?! Awkwafina was actually really hilarious in that one and wasn’t too bad. And prior to that, she had a voice role in The Angry Birds Movie 2 and wasn’t bad either. So she CAN give good voice performances, but it’s mainly Disney that’s to blame for her annoying performances in Raya and the Little Mermaid remake. She does not the need the James Corden treatment from you. And as the old saying goes, “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”.
The dragon look like something you can see from a Magic Pony movie or whatever..
I also hate Raya, cuz it also baited me into thinking about South East Asian representation. 💀 and instead of fixing my trust issues, it just got worse.
@@QueSeraSeraaaaeven MLP has more creative designs than that
A better example of Trust was in Emperor's New Groove during the climbing scene
I will always go up to bat for Cinderella and The Little Mermaid because the people that have the biggest critiques for it are rarely ever engaging with it fairly. I won't even say that the people are getting their opinions from their 9yr old selves, they're regurgitating bad faith arguments from the adults that were around them and terrible write-ups that gained way too much popularity in 00s. Not only that they refused to actually rewatch the films and have their own opinions. I was that child in the 90s, religiously rewatching all my Disney Princess films on repeat and when I would hear these "critiques" in the 00s from people, I was super confused because I thought "There is no way these people watched the same movies I did, they're clearly misrepresenting the characters and themes of the film." I couldn't even take them seriously.
Also once again... Jasmine having a song called "Speechless" when she was never EVER a speechless character is horrible but even worse....THE SONG SUCKSSS. Like damn, if you gonna give her a needless song, you couldn't do her justice by making it good?
@@memorian8472how does the song Spechless suck?
@@Koopalingfan did you mean HOW ?
@@nicholassims9837 Oh yes sorry.
@@Superlad945 I see.
Anybody who wants to write movies (not just for Disney, but especially Disney) needs to really become familiar with Joseph Campbell and his works. There are reasons and formulas as to why traditional fairy tales have stood the test of time for hundreds of years, and why the best retellings don't mess with the basic foundations, like Ever After or the Faerie Tale Theater series. The names and outfits might change, but Drew Barrymore is still a recognizable Cinderella.
And I also think a lot of these younger writers just hate the idea of royalty itself, so they think they're fixing some social wrong by ruining the original stories, which weren't necessarily reflecting real life nobility (although I am aware there are exceptions like the animal bridegroom and Bluebeard genres of fables).
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1Joseph Campbell's works and theories really need to be taught more in basic writing courses. I didn't learn about him until my 3rd year of college and wish I had much sooner. He's basically figured out the blueprint for successful storytelling that humans have been using throughout every culture.
@@wayIess Joseph Campbell didn't figure out the archetype. The story tellers who have been telling the stories for thousands of years throughout every culture did.
@@GeeBee212 Where did I mention archetypes????
I mentioned blueprints. The hero's journey is what I was referencing to clear things up. Campbell went through and combed through countless myths, legends and fables from an academic point of view and picked up on all the plot commonalities. It's really impressive considering storytelling as a form doesn't get much serious academic scrutiny.
One can argue the different groups making stories over time used the hero's journey (and archetypes for that matter), but it's a very different thing to have the *awareness* of how & why the stories were successful. As an analogy think of it like how peoples have been making alcohol for millenia, but only relatively recently understood the science & chemistry of it.
@@wayIess I misread what you posted. I stand corrected.
Another point not often mentioned is that the virtues women tend to embody are usually more subtle and quieter than the virtues of their male counterparts, and that these traits are not the domain of either men or women. That these virtues can and should apply to everyone, but are noticed more strongly in either males or females.
A Virtuous man - Protects the weak, often this includes Women and Children who are the most vulnerable of society.
A woman should also have a protective spirit. While most cases, a man will not need a woman to protect him, children and the infirmed certainly do.
A Virtuous woman - Is kind and gentle. A nurturing spirit that tends wounds and calms others.
A man should be kind too. This is expressed often by little things - a nod, a bow, holding the door, being patient with their mother or an old woman.
You can also see this expressed in Disney films. With the two above examples....
Mulan's Father is the man of the family, and while he doesn't want to go to war, he will for his family. But it is Mulan who picks up that torch and carries it. She knows she is outclassed in many ways by her male contemporaries, but she uses the gifts she does have to push forward. She is a protective spirit, of her father, of her companions/friends and even her country and emperor. It all springs from the protective quality she has, not just duty.
Adam/Beast from Beauty and the beast initially lacks kindness and compassion. It's through Belle that he begins to restrain his childish impulses and really start to think about the consequences of his actions. This kindness culminates in him being willing to let Belle go, because he knows keeping her against her will would be cruel and unkind. His kindness also makes him start to think beyond himself. In addition to gifting Belle the library, he is also more even tempered and considerate of his staff after being under her influence.
The words **Mutually Beneficial** is how I would describe the fairy tale princesses - the virtues they have and the lessons they teach.
Women should also have the role to protect men in a societal/reputational sense.
@@robinthrush9672You've missed the point entirely. Ideally men and women should protect each other regardless of their gender but in the real world that's not how it always works because women tend to be more vulnerable because we live in a patriarchal society. Ofc, that doesn't change the fact that women will do whatever they can to protect their loved ones including men. But that should be a given. You shouldn't have to say women SHOULD because women already do it's just done differently from how men protect them. But even then, MEN should be protecting women in terms of reputation because it's women who are socially scorned by men due to misogyny. They're the ones that are shunned and shamed by society not men.
@@sunnysodapop I only agree that it should be a given. I disagree with everything else you said to my rather meager addendum to the OP from personal experience and from following the news.
@@robinthrush9672 Would you disagree that women's reputations are the ones constantly judged throughout society more harshly historically to modern day?
@@sunnysodapop Yes. One need only look at how quickly society will leap into action to demonize a man accused of harming a woman with no evidence provided. I acknowledge some historical exceptions that are based on religious texts, but need to point out that not all of the world follows Judeo-Christian mythologies, environmental factors were much different "historically" making the liberties we have today extreme privileges, that the historical record is much more sparse to make judgements from, and humanity has a tendency to villainize previous generations in regard to the treatment of women (you can see this in laws from the 1800s in the USA readily).
I do see where the criticism of Snow White is coming from, but I don't think it's particularly important since the film came out ... wow, almost 100 years ago. Snow White is very much a product of her time period and it would be anachronistic to criticise her portrayal for it. Her wholehearted enjoyment of her domestic role, and her ability to endure great suffering with endless patience and a smile, ring false today because we know that many women in the 1930s had no choice but to do so. We know that the 30s film is romanticising a role that was forced on many women. However. There is nothing inherently wrong or disempowered about Snow White's quiet nature and enjoyment of domestic activities. In fact, in our modern day, it would be empowering to see a live-action Snow White who is just as conciliatory and just as fond of cooking and cleaning as the original. It would affirm that women are indeed individual human beings with individual preferences.
Ralph Breaks the Internet never existed, can we agree?
what movie are you talking about? he never got a 2nd movie
Let's not forget that Snow White is 14 in the original story. Of course she is dreaming about romance and thinking about boys. It's normal.
I wonder if Disney would give their princes their own movie.
In this day and age? Never...
Would probably be a good change of pace though. However if it even did decently they would claim the audience is bigoted against women
I doubt that will happen, since the Disney princes are either boring or creepy, so the tone of those princess movies would change drastically.
In the case of Prince Eric, “The Little Mermaid” would turn into a stereotypical teen boy fantasy movie in terms of *a teen boy finding a beautiful, naked girl who can’t speak and isn’t knowledgeable about human culture, and then the teen boy taking her back to his place.*
Then again, Disney already made such a movie told from the POV of the mermaid’s male human lover.
It was called “Splash”, which was released under Disney’s “Touchstone Pictures” label, thus predating “The Little Mermaid” by five years!
Furthermore, boys don’t need Disney prince movies because they already have westerns, action movies, and comic book superheroes that all show how awesome it is to be a man.
They're gonna make Hercules (does he count?), train with Tiktok dances or challenges 😭
@@yuri-sama.questionmarku made my day lmao It would be so horrible
I’d luv to see Eric’s story tho just imagine if he’s portrayed by Jon Hamm tho he doesn’t look like Eric but just imagine for a moment 😍
It's a shame that many of Disney's remakes seem to look down on the originals, as all the princesses have good qualities to learn from.
And yeah, I'd like Kida as a princess as well. Wasn't a fan of her movie though, and Disney not wanting to spend extra money to advertise it for her makes sense.
I think that Atlantis could work nowdays if the script was reworked (maybe into a miniseries).
@@ErickSoares3 It'd definitely be risky; the concept of Atlantis is a familiar one, though they use different cultural references to make it instead of Ancient Greece. However, it being a science-fantasy film could make it easy to fall into the hundreds or other sci-fi/fantasy films that come out every year. Making it a musical would've helped ir stand out, but apparently the crew took it in stride that it wasn't a musical.
@@RT_ist Anything with Father Guido Sarduchi as a character is tops in my book.
@@RT_ist Yeah, it wasn't really my thing. Had it been a musical and included more fantasy elements, I probably would've fell in love with it.
@@RT_ist Right?! Plus I think Disney hasn't mastered storytelling without musicals, with Raya (which I wish was a musical; James Newton Howard makes great scores, doesn't he?) and Strange World being recent examples. It does make me wonder, though: If Atlantis had been a musical--or if The Emperor's New Groove had been a musical like it was originally planned to be (I recommend checking out the deleted songs and scenes for it, then called "Kingdom of the Sun"), I do wonder how this would've affected Disney's dark era and if it would've came out of it's slump earlier.
A lot of this comes from this warped perception of "needing a man" and action heroes. Action hero guys go around and kick but and shoot up the badguys. Like john wick goes around without any help or any woman and beats up all the bad guys cause action guys are just so awesome, so they make action girl boss movie where she's 10 times better than john wick and don't need no one.
Only thing is, John had a lot of help. The first two particularly are about his love for his wife. And the anger at the people who will just not leave him alone in his memories and sorrow builds into the third movie, collecting together and circling around again at the end. Every movie had people who were helping john along the way, even the bad guys decide to help john. There is a lot of connections between him and others. And he even has to be saved a few times by men and women alike.
but not action girl boss. She does everything with minimal damage, completely solo, and beats up those chauvinistic pigs who dare tried to help her because she's just so much better.
Similar with asshole characters like Rick Sanchez and Gregory House. Both of these characters are sarcastic, and cynical. Butt hey have layers. Like an onion. or an Ogre. Or something. AS you start to get down past their prickly outer layers, you find that they really do actually care for other people. Maybe not care for everyone, but certain people they will fight to protect.
And then you have Velma, which is set to be similar as a sarcastic cynical character, but the love that Rick and Gregory had is not there. There is just hate.
The only problem I see with Cindy and Snow is very simple. Little bonding time. Just add that time it’s practically perfect.
At least Disney’s Cinderella (2015) had Cinderella and her prince interact on horseback before the ball.
Minor nitpick. Moana is a Disney princess. She is the daughter of the chief. She will become the next chief. She is royalty to her people. If Pocahontas, daughter of the chief, is a princess.....so is Moana. You're correct on Mulan though.
But spot with everything else. The line referenced by Repunzle is so infuriating and clearly shows the writers lack of knowledge for their own IP, in addition to the political brainwashing they have, is astounding.
Final point. The prince in Snow White fell in love with her while she was still in rags (due to the stepmother). They had that love connection and that allowed for him to "save her". But because she was saved doesn't make her weak. It's love that saved her. In the form of the prince and in the form of the seven dwarves. That was Snow White's strength, creating love.
.....something that is timeless and is never dated. Maybe the actress should remember that.
The new Snowhite is an abomination, and i cannot forgive what they did to Mulan.
OG Mulan dressed as her father to do the war at his place due to his health's conditions, and she was worried for him as a whole.
She didn't relied on powers but her determination, strenght, courage.
Recent Mulan removed Mushu because "realism", yet they added a witch who can turn into a bird.. the hell is that? 😂
Mushu was the guardian of her family for centuries, his presence was needed, at least, from what the leader of the ancestors believed.
He grew with Mulan throught the story like she did.
@@QueSeraSeraaaaagreed. Live action Mulan was the movie Disney believed would cater to communist China. And it pleased no one. Mind you that Mulan had an actress criticizing Hong Kong while Disney thanked the same province that has Uigars locked up in prison camps.
That's the soulless virtue signaling company that Disney has become.
There was no need for the snarky comment about the actress. She’s marketing the movie she was hired for; it’s her job. She isn’t who deserves the scrutiny, as she did not write this movie.
I’ll never understand how people can acknowledge Disney’s mistreatment of their classics yet not realize the actors have no control over it.
@@marsisbae what are you talking about?
@@jchan2299 You said ".....something that is timeless and is never dated. Maybe the actress should remember that" as if she was one of the writers.
That’s the problem nowadays that these modern writers completely changing the context and not seeing the nuance in these classics.
Disney has always honoured the classic "Snow White and the 7 dwarfs" as 'The first and fairest of them all'. They seem to have forgotten that. I feel sorry for Walt and his nine old man. The reason why Walt succeeded in the first place was that he was determined to follow his own ideas no matter what others would think of it. Otherwise, Snow White would have never been made at all! Today's Disney CEO don't have their own ideas apparently. They just want to follow the current political fashion, and that's all they seemingly care about. But they are not the only ones.
It's not even the current political fashion. Shallow fake faux progressivism isn't what the Left is calling for. This is just greedy pandering to what these CEOs THINK Gen Z wants.
Finding out that Emma Watson REFUSED to wear a floor length dress so they had to use VFX to make it that length and I believe a say in how it looked made me so mad! If I was playing Belle I would just want the dress to suit my body, skin tone and one up the Cinderella dress
She did indeed have the best dress! I just wish the designers were able to go all out for the live action version instead of what we got, which I think didn't do the original dress any justice
That dress is terrible all around
Much would have been forgiven (not completely forgiven) if Belle's dress had been the right COLOR. Banana yellow is ugly when you consider the gorgeous yellow gold gown from the cartoon. In the way they made the prince's party at the beginning of the movie fit the time period with dresses, Belle's gown should have had a similar silhouette to her time period.
Upon meeting her fairy godmother, Cinderella didn't ask for a prince. She asked for a nice dress and a night out.
Disney princesses went from having major issues to breaking ground to forgetting their identity
If they wanted to do a remake of Snow White as strong female, they should've done something like what happened in Ever After, which is my favorite version of the Cinderella story. Nice analysis ❤
Or Snow White from The Wolf Among Us.
Or Snow White/Mary Margaret Blanche from the show "Once Upon A Time"
And they don't need to trash on the OG as well
I find it ironic how Disney supposedly wants to empower their female leads in the remakes but by doing so, they're directly saying that their female leads were not empowered. You see the contradictory? The animated princesses were not perfect but they had their own goals, finding a prince or not. They were already strong.
Regarding Atlantis: Kida literally is a strong, independent woman who kicks ass the FIRST scene we see her. She’s intelligent (multilingual), welcoming, and cares about the future of her kingdom. She falls for the NERDY guy who proves his character by turning away safety and a chance to get back to the surface world because he truly loves Atlantis and believes it’s wrong to leave them all to die. For all he knew, he would’ve died with the Atlanteans. Disney literally doesn’t have to do ANYTHING to the plot and it’s still got a modern feel to the gendered dynamics.
Hell, look at their MECHANIC and the femme fatale character! Disney really lost the plot with their cash grabs.
Plus *real* diversity of characters. Look at that! Lol.
Thank you so much for mentioning Princess Kida! She’s my favorite Disney Princess and she deserves a lot more love.
Frankly, I think we need to stop giving any attention to the "disney princesses are terrible role models!!1!!" because you can tell 90% of them didn't watch the movies and therefore they have zero standing in the argument. Like Tangled came out in fucking 2010, it's not some archaic piece of media or something
I never thought the Disney Princesss were corny or very annoying I always found them so swe and cool like I'll say Ariel, Cinderella, Belle, Jasmine, Esmeradla, and Auorra
Well said. I am grateful for the many women in the past who have fought for the rights of women. But now these "rights" are being viewed as "requirements". It's great that women can go to college and get jobs, but it's easy for people to look at a woman in disappointment if they instead choose to be a stay at home mom. It's great that women can be independent and live on their own, but is it really that bad for a woman to desire marriage and have a man to help support her in her life? Over the years, it feels like the rights of women, both in the film industry and everyday life, have gone from being a privilege to being intoxicating. I'm really sick and tired of the expectations the world puts on women these days.
First of all: There’s nothing wrong with having a Prince save you.
Second: As you’ve stated, the traditional Princess films tell complex & empowering stories that actually have very little to do with ‘chasing a man.’ They allow the female characters to feel REAL. 🌹
By trying so hard to portray the female characters as “Strong” they take away from the realism, and UNDERMINE other important traits in the character.
A relatable character has the same desires, temptations, and conflicts as us. What makes them truly strong is, finding the most moral resolution despite conflicting motivations.
A relatable character is not a one dimensional heroin who is stereotypically “strong.”
I’d like to end my point with this one: Can we please stop demonizing romance? Desiring love/loyalty is both innately human and MAGICAL. 🔮
It’s possible to have a female heroine who is ‘strong’ whilst still desiring or being involved in romance. ❤
I'm asexual and I still respect someone who wants romance...I wanna be single and still get attracted by feelings, let's respect people's different wants... There's nothing wrong with being single and there's nothing wrong with wanting a partner
I think another massive issue is modern princesses are made with the Disney Princess line in mind. They have to be perfect, they have to represent X group in a positive way etc. They are not supposed to have any flaws or imperfections etc. They have to be the perfect marketable doll Disney can sell.
The story, character and pot of the movies come after they consider the Marketing value of the princess.
Even though Aurora wasn't featured much in her movie she is still my favorite I would have loved to see a solo movie about her.
Sleeping Beauty is literally a moving painting one of my favs
I know the old princesses are not bad examples for children, but it's true that they're from another time and I think I like them only because I saw them when I was little. I am curious to hear the opinion of someone who didn't grow up with them.
Also it annoys me that Disney can't do a new fairy tale adaptation without making a remake and pulling down the old version.
Remember Brandy Cinderella from 1997 ? A Disney Cinderella movie but not a remake of the 1950 cartoon. It was different with new songs and a black main actress, but it didn't need to go "look how badly the first one got old!", it was just it's own separate thing.
I did not grow up with (most) Disney princesses (I watched very little TV as child).. Now, I *did* grow up with fairy tales, so when I watched the movies as teen or adult I knew the basic stories (though "The little Mermaid" was... different than expected. Lol.)
I liked most of the movies when I finally watched them. Found Snow White a tad to episodic, like they did not quite know how to make the story flow, but, it is no surprise they were still learning and breaking out of the more "shorts" style animation.
I really loved Sleeping Beauty, because I think the three fairies are both badass and funny, and because Malificent is a great villain. Let's just say that I have a love hate relationship with the movie "Malificent" due to that, as it at least does something different than many life action "remakes", but also screws up my favourite characters in the process.
I never got the feeling the princesses where weak or anything like that and quite enjoy the movies today.
The Brandy Cinderella was based on the Rogers and Hammerstein Cinderella, which is a classic in its own right.
Fa Zhou dropping the sword and crest to the side and immediately hugging Mulan is the sort of subtle storytelling that Disney seems almost incapable of nowadays. It's sad.
Also, in NO circumstances outside of fiction would any of these people be okay with you looking at someone who is a victim of abuse and saying, "Why don't you just get yourself out of this situation?" In fact, I wager those very people would find that notion offensive and downright evil.
So why on God's green earth would you say that fictional characters should be made to do that? Why does Snow White have to "rescue herself" in order to be considered a "strong" female character? Why can't she need help? Real people often need help, and your stories need to appeal to REAL people if you want them to live on.
I will believe that Esmeralda from The Hunchback of Notre Dame is the most heroic female disney character till the day I die.
She's one of the best
I hate the messaging in the new movies about strong females. Their teaching girls that they need to be cold hearted workaholics that don’t need love to be viewed as strong.. this is an excellent analysis of what Disney leadership is not seeing. I’m in my 30s and seeing these woman in their young 20s trying to be the girls boss annoys me and I feel sorry for them
As I like to say "Watched these Animated Disney Princess films at the age of 5, did ya? Well, now that you're 15, 25, 35, 45, etc...LOOK AGAIN!!"
That feeling when people say Incredibles 2 has the first movie with a female protag and villain when the first ever Disney animated movie has a female protag and villain.
Does Chicken Run with Ginger and Mrs. Tweedy also count? Yeah technically one is a hen, but still female 😅
@@jendoe9436I love Chicken Run!! I still watch it nowadays.
@@jendoe9436 Yeah, that counts as well :)
There’s nothing wrong with the Disney princesses, especially the classic ones and you go to the ones I’m talking about the fact that they think that they need to twist and morph them into some thing that they’re not is really disgusting.
I agree.
This is giving me the same energy as old classic literature books getting cancelled or even actually thrown out of libraries because they have a problematic word in them or something. Completely missing the core concept and themes of that book, the context and culture of the time and place it was written, why it is considered a classic, and the positive messages within. It's just another case of hating $hit just because you don't understand and (literally in the case of my comparsion) did not crack open a book to find out about the topic.
I feel reasons Kida isn't a princess other than the movie doing poor are also that she's too old (like 5000 years old, immortal), her most iconic outfit would be considered too inappropriate (it's basically just lingerie with a towel), and she becomes a queen later so....
it reminds me of the cheetah girl song that goes "i don't want to be like cinderella sitting in a dark dusty cellar, i don't want to be like snow white waiting for a prince to come and save me, i rather rescue myself" i think that illustrates my thoughts on it in a neat way, modern storytelling has people getting forced into adventures against their will, there is literally a part of the hero's journey where the hero refuses the call to adventure but then is forced to, and i think that lack of agency makes people notice that women already have a lack of agency in stories, you want to be cinderella and snow white when they are doing something cool, you want to be snow white peting a deer after having walked in the forrest for a whole night and cried your eyes out and continue anyway, you want to be snow white saying that every, elligible, maiden. can go to the party, so you are good enough to go. maybe dance with the prince, why not? you want to be moana when she's learning the lost wayfinding techniques of her people, however, you don't want to be moana when she's in a storm almost drowning, possibly unable to save her island, you don't want to be snow white when she survives assassination because the huntsman can't kill her, because yeah, it sucks when you're almost getting assassinated and you freeze in fear like a normal person and you survive due to something you don't have control of, that's what the story is about, belle didn't want to give up her freedom and ariel didn't want to give up her voice, but the conflict of the story means they are forced into situations they don't want to be in, that are terrible, i think for female characters we might need more stories where they have a choice to go into danger, similar to belle choosing to stay in the castle multiple times. basically in short, male heroes being forced to fight against their will is seen as heroic but female characters are more often put in a situation that isn't just against their will but people percieve as shameful, while in reality there's nothing shameful about being stuck in cinderella's situation, she's being a hero every day just taking care of herself. but the older disney princesses are stuck in a situation that they can't get out of themselves, so they need help, there's nothing the prince or snow white could do to defeat the queen, the dwarves chased her off a cliff and the prince needed to cure the poison. even if the prince saved her earlier, the queen still would've come after her. for a better example, aladdin needing the genie isn't seen as him being weak, but he wouldn't be allowed to if he was a girl, but also aladdin fighting isn't seen as him being in a truly nasty spot, but jasmine being forced to marry against her will is seen as shameful for her that she doesn't say more, it is written in an odd way yes but it's more so that it's unclear why the sultan couldn't or didn't care about how she felt or what the consequence for her never marrying is. aladdin also chooses to try to meet jasmine for his own gain, not because he selflessly wants to save her. partially selfless but he does still like her and lie to her instead of tell her he's there to help her. he also could've chosen to wish for wealth and just not save her, he choose himself to be at risk to help her in the way that he did, snow white never had a choice in what safehouse she'd hide in, let's be fair and say there's no way to see it coming that the beauty obsessed queen would turn into an old lady or pay one to poison her using an apple specifically. i'd have to take more time to see if it's a trend that male heroes have more agency or if people act like they do because a man fighting for his life is seen as having more agency than a woman godforbid cleans something while commanding squirrels. and defeating a large beast is seen as triumphant but no one ever says it's impressive that snow white cleaned that whole house without being forced to while commanding the animals to do something they've never done before. so yeah this comment is long enough now, thanks for reading this far if anyone does
Disney Princesses have honestly been my role models growing up, but I can’t even enjoy the franchise as a whole anymore because Disney seems hellbent on moving the themes of the Princesses away from femininity while also being greedy and money hungry.
Same. Doesn't help the company keeps peeing all over the older, higher-quality princess like a dog marking its territory.
@@Kaitou1412Fangirlagreed. It’s so gross.
Although I generally agree with you on Cinderella 2 the one speck of light was what they tried to do with Anastasia(it still was bad but could have been good maybe if it had been a full story that wasn't broken up with a cat and less forced humor)
It is realistic how Anastasia may have seen how her mother wasn't really setting her up for happiness and would want to change.
In "Ever After" the not-so-bad stepsister thing was done really well and Drew Barrymore made an excellent Cinderella
I always preferred Nintendo Princesses over Disney Princesses anyway. Nintendo’s princesses are much better anyway!
Yeah. Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Princess Rosalina, and Princess Zelda are so much better.
@@nas0518 And when we get to the princesses from Fire Emblem there’s absolutely no contest of the better option between them!
When Rosalina created a bridge for Mario in Super Mario Galaxy before the final battle, that was the most amazing and badass scene ever from a Mario game.
The music, the ambiance, everything helped to make it an epic scene.
Zelda is another badass too, my favorite is the ones from Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks..
Peach is too underused, i remember she could weaken Bowser and lifting him and throwing him out of her castle in Bowser's Inside Story.
She even got a game Super Princess Peach, and playing as her in Super Paper Mario felt great.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa And when we get to the Fire Emblem Princesses, there’s really no contest between who’s the better between Nintendo and Disney in that department.
I preferred the Disney forgotten girls than Disney princesses. (Megara)
Honestly, as a Dutch woman who has Roma ancestry through my father's side, I am genuinely shaking with fear for how they will handle the announced live-action for the Hunchback of Notre Dame. They already did Esmeralda so dirty from removing her from the Disney princess line-up whilst other non-princesses have been kept. Considering her plot has to do with racial hatred and fetishization, I fear Disney is just going to shove politics into it rather then actually taking a critical look at how people (including Disney themselves) have treated the Roma community in the past. I mean, erasing Esmeralda fits into a pattern the Roma know far too well, just look at how people talk about WWII. When it comes to the minorities who died in WWII, the Roma come in 2nd after the Jews, but America is always talking about the Jews and the black people whereas the Europeans are always talking about the Jews and occasionally even the gays nowadays before they remember the Roma exist. Or how nobody ever talks about how the Roma's whole culture is built upon them having been slaves who got their freedom back but their old community viewed them as tainted forever and they were basically outcasted and created the entire performing culture as a means to survive, whenever people are talking about slavery? The Roma's historical suffering is largerly overlooked, and considering Disney has been the exact same up until this point as they didn't bother releasing new Esmeralda dolls upon becoming woke yet so far either, Disney is NOT the company to tackle the specific way the Roma culture has been historically treated.
Considering that they filmed Mulan in a Chinese ethnic Muslim concentration camp, I think you have every right to be deeply concerned.
Damn, you really know how to be a victim.
They ereased esmeralda because she was too sexual or too grown to be a doll for kids, not because shes roman
The fact is Disney's marketing team doesn't know how to promote their new movies without trashing their old movies. It doesn't mater if they're wrongly interpreting the old movie or not.
I don’t know why, but I actually like the look of Anna in the thumbnail.
Plus with Eric as a prince people consider him to be bland and generic but he was probably the most genuine Disney prince in 2d animation prob because although he fell in love with a woman who saved him but even when finding a lady who he believed wasn’t the girl he still helped Ariel and took her into the palace like-
No, no. He was a grown ass man who married a 16 year old. A right perv!
Can you please talk about the gigantic downfall of Disney because of Bob Iger? Please.
Aldone has been, just not directly. Every failing mentioned in this video falls at Iger's feet in one way or another. Chapek's own failures were all either started or completed by Iger. He's the top of the chain of command, so if something fails under him, he's responsible. As with all companies, the buck stops at him, no one else. If he isn't delegating responsibility right, he is accountable, no one else.
Your video on The Little Mermaid remake is what got me checking out your channel. I went to see it in theaters and loved it visually, but it lacked the magic of the original. I must say, I truly enjoy how you break down movies from Disney’s Renaissance! They were so good and just have something about them that make them classics, contrary to today’s movies and remakes that try so hard to be “progressive” but end up watering down the stories as a result. You’re saying everything I agree with!
I actually LOVE Atlantis and she and Giselle are in the top for my favorite princesses. Followed by Aurora, Belle, Mulan/Ariel, Cinderella and Snow White. I dont care for the newer ones at all so they dont make the list. The reason Pocahontas isnt on the list isn simply cause younger me didnt care about her. I thought the movie was pretty and good but I just didnt care about her so she isnt here😅. Same with Esmeralda but I did think she was VERY pretty so she IS above Pocahontas in my book
The only thing wrong with the old movies were the age gaps 💀
There is this strange false notion that women need to be "badasses" to be empowered, where many dismiss that showing compassion, concern, resilience and strength of sipirit is empowerement. Cinderella is criticized so much while it's her resilience and inner strenght that leads her to free herself, Snow White gentle but firm nature is what endears her to the dwarves, Ariel curious nature is what leads her to live on land like she wanted...so true, many of the messages are missed and dismissed by narrow minded views.
It has always irked me that people who haven't watched these movies since they were kids throw around such negative takes as if it's a fact. Especially Cinderella, no she did not wish for a prince, she just wanted a better chance than her current abusive situation. I'm also glad Kida was brought up, she's my favorite because her entire motivation is her people, I have that speech she gives her father memorized because it's so passionate and shows how much she cares and how worried she is that her civilization is fading away. A lot of people want Atlantis to have a live action remake, but I'd worry they focus on the warrior part of her character more than the duty she feels as the princess and later queen
The Belle stuff annoys me because there's ACTUALLY an outdated message in the original story there, but people talk about Stockholm Syndrome and "I can fix them" partners instead. This story is essentially about an arranged marriage. And how genuine love can eventually bloom out of it. Which isn't WRONG, as I'm sure that love did eventually pop up. But arranged marriages aren't exactly a thing anymore.
But the stuff about the Beast needing to change himself in order to be worthy of Belle's affection is still great writing, and no critical analysis will tell me otherwise.
How is it about arranged marriage? The curse didn't require marriage, only mutual love. Belle and the beast got married because they mutually loved each other. They didn't need to, but they did.
@@mehorton2657 It’s more about how to deal with anxieties of arranged marriages: your husband may be mean and abusive, but if you’re patient and kind enough to put up with him, he’ll eventually come around.
@@arithelion5946 The OP means in the allegorical sense.
Of course, there’s not a literal arranged marriage.
The fairy tale was written during a time when arranged marriages were the norm in 1750s France, so one can see Belle learning to love the Beast in spite of his ugliness and meanness as a parable for how to deal with male suitors you don’t like.
@@beethovensfidelio In the 1740 story, the Beast was neither mean nor abusive. He was very kind to Beauty, and she almost agreed to marry him several times, but she was turned off by his ugliness. The moral of that version isn't that if you're kind, cruel people will suddenly be good, it's that you shouldn't judge people [by initial appearances]. Also, the Disney version is nothing like the 1740 tale, so that argument doesn't hold up against it.
@@arithelion5946 The Disney version isn’t like the 1740 story by Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve because the Disney version adapted the abridged version from 1756 by Madame Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast_(1991_film)
You also have that princess from Black Cauldron, Elowyne I think? No one ever talks about her, the movie bombed and it has no songs. People barely consider it a Disney movie.
I would like a movie with a Romanian princess. There's not a lot animated movies about this country, it would be fun to make a new princess who is born there. I am half-romanian half-french, would be happy to see a character of this nationality. Maybe the story would be about a brother and a sister, defeating a villain together to save their parents? We rarely saw them being capture by a villain, it's always the mother who is dead and the father raise the kid alone.
Hi, i'm half-French and half-Indian, why not? A brother and sister defeating a villain, kinda like Hansel and Gretel?
@@QueSeraSeraaaaReminds me of a netflix movie.
You mean like a animated movie about Ileana Cosanzeana? I'm not a romanian but that would be really cool. (Tho that name got overshadowed by Genshin 😭) or also Ileana Simziana?
I think the problem is that Disney just doesn’t have quality talent anymore.
If being brave makes you a Disney princess then why isn't Meg and Esmeralda there 😭
Every Disney princess is a trauma victim and yet we somehow came up with Disney princess syndrome. Moana was also a daughter of a chief, so the princess title still fits.
Amen to Moana being a princess!
I'll just stick with Once Upon a Time. As repetitive as it is at least gives better nuance to the Princesses and villains.
Honestly, the only princess that wasn't empowering was Aurora. Mainly because she was more of a plot device than a character and the little personality she had was just a discount Snow White.
Same forgot she even was the main protagonist 😂
As much as I love Sleeping Beauty, I completely agree, and I always wished we saw more of her living in the woods before meeting the prince
Easily my least favorite princess. She’s not even the main character of her own movie.
That's because she wasn't the main focus. When you really think about it the main focus was on the 3 good fairies given they raised her and became attached to her. It's not perfect but it's not as bad as most of you are claiming it to be.
The main point of Sleeping Beauty was the plot & thematic elements. She was a means to an end, but that's okay imo.
I actually laughed out loud when he said "I swear if any of you try to mention Cinderella 2 to me I will bippity boppity boop your ass outta here"
I actually feel like the "big strong man" line could have worked. Cause literally everyone that complains about the princesses act like that's what happened. They ignore everything the princesses went through and boil it down to "big man came to save them" when they are so much more than that.
I always understood the “big strong man” line to be poking fun at Disney Princess critics who complain about that so I’m surprised people criticize that line.
Ariel's motivation in the original tale was to obtain a soul.
I know I've always hated how they categorize Mulan as a disney princess when she CLEARLY isn't! She doesn't even marry or end up with a prince in the end!
Right? She's just a badass villager who saved an entire country from an army that were the huns, even facing their leader for a final fight.
Indeed she isn't royalty, nor married one.
The three princesses from the sequel would fit in that category.
Exactly! Glad disney has never glorified those three princesses
I don’t care that Aurora doesn’t have much personality, she’s one of the best! And the movie is one of the best, imo ❤
The ironic part about Disney forgetting about Atlantis is that, in many ways, Kida already is what they're trying to make the other princesses become.
I don’t understand how no one says how the princes were waiting around for their princesses to show up. Prince Charming was waiting for waiting right one, prince philip was waiting for aurora to come back home, Eric was waiting around. Talk about no drive to get the job done and find someone to marry.
Disney is like the shallow pool of video games, everybody wants to save the princess, who’s gonna save the Prince?
In Gandalf's own rather underrated words to Galadriel when she asked about why the underdog Bilbo Baggins is with the Dwarves and him: "Saruman believes that it is great power, that can keep evil in check, but that is not what I found, I found that is the simple deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay, why Bilbo Baggins?, it is because I'm afraid and he gives me courage."
A huge part of why I think this sort of thing is happening to Disney is probably the fact that... *drumroll please* Disney is in California, a place of wanton liberalism. Not that being liberal is necessarily bad, it's just bad when either side goes to the extreme, and places of power attract extremists. Disney has a lot of power and therefore it has gathered many of the outliers of society-ish. There are more normal moderate people in there, but people with extreme views and passions have a way of making their way to the spotlight. So the extreme (and in many case dumb and ignorant who try to be "woke"), bleed into our media. Art mimics reality after all. I could probably write much more, but this is such a stupidly complex subject on studying the modern society a whole. Farewell.
I did not expect the topics you covered to be put in, and I am so glad I watched this. I was the person to think the first few princess weren’t great when thinking about the saving aspect. But you broke down that there is more and it has helped me see them in a different light. Thank you.
One of my favorite Disney movies to this day is Beauty and the Beast, _because_ Belle displays her nobility and strength of character by sacrificing her freedom , to save her father! Rachel Zegler would _never_ - and that’s the problem.
“oh no! The horror! A woman choosing to self sacrifice something she wants for someone else? Especially a MAN?! Horrifying!”
The twisted ideas of man-hating 3rd-wave feminism have turned the ideals of self sacrifice and putting oneself AFTER others into bad things!
Disney has somehow managed to destroy their brand, they probably owned some of the most valuable IP in the world. What they should have done is continued building on their IP not pulling it down, theres a saying , it if ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Kida is also a favorite of mine, super overlooked and eligible for the strong woman archetype that Disney has been promoting for. As the daughter of the king, she actually is a Disney princess.
Word of Advice; Always Carefully and Closely Study and Dissect the Original Film,
the Plot line, Source Material, and the Story; Especially Study [and Dissect] the Details,
the FrameWork of the Story and the Original Film Itself Before Filming the Remake and Adding Intriguing Liberties without Ruining the Story.
When I mean to say is; if you want to make a Remake; this is the Advice!
Love this! My only critque is saying that the actresses made or brought down their movies. I think corporate disney and the producers should carry the success or blame for the way the story and main points go. The actresses follow direction and script. Of course, every actor and actress bring a lot to the screen but ultimately it isnt their decision to how the direction of the films go overall.
@@irascibleeukaryote exactly this. Rachel has become the scapegoat for the bigger problems that Disney is having.
I think the true forgotten disney princess is Eilonwy. She was also strong , hard headed, kind, and feminine. She was always one of my favorite princesses.
(on your comment about no one dressing up as Kida, believe me I would but I am white and dont want to be accused of white washing or cultural appropriation that many people scream about when a white person dresses up as a character that isnt white,)
I am TERRIFIED of how tangled/rapunzel will be represented in the live action (which will probably one day come, seeing how things are going now.) I've watched the movie countless times and watched the series a bunch and Its one of my favorite movies. If they'll ruin it I am defenitely going to be very sad.
Their problem is that they forgot all about Drossel Von Flügel
Mulan joined to be a soldier in order to save her father's life. I think she felt guilty for not being a son. being able to go to war instead of her father. When he was obviously not in the physical state to be able to handle going to war.
I think she saw him fall, Realized that if he left a war he most slightly wasn't going to come back. Probably thought about what it would do to Her family if they didn't have her father.
She went over all of this while sitting on the great Stone dragon.
I think the spirit of the dragon Gave her The strength of courage To go In her father's stead, in order to protect her family.
That's why the Stone dragon couldn't be awakened and started the crumble. It gave it all to Mulan, So she could save her family save her Country.
Just my personal Theory don't know if it's correct.
It's a good theory really!
Also unlike some princesses, Kida isn’t against tradition or trying to break it, in fact, she bemoans that her cultures dying, and that she wants to know more about their past. That’s really refreshing.