It made sense for Rapunzel and Anna considering how they were basically isolated from people most of their lives and gradually they learned to open up and like being around people. But Disney keeps overusing that personality trait way too much and need to take a step back and examine their characters.
I will also say that it makes some sense for Mirabel to be awkward as well since she’s the only one in her family without a gift, so she’d obviously feel awkward.
@@apocalypseofplush Also, she's a teenager. Although not every 15 year old girl behaves like Mirabel, I'd say a lot of girls of her age do, so it makes sense. It doesn't mean her personality is not overdone, but still.
I feel like ppl like to pick and choose which characters it makes sense for. I think you can make an argument for any of these characters because there’s nothing inherently wrong with this type of personality. The problem is that Disney is OVERDOING it. It starts to make all these characters blend as one even tho there’s nothing wrong with most of them by themselves.
@@Nutmeg-I totally agree- while she's not really an entitled jerk I would say, I feel like the closest we've ever gotten to that was probably Meg from Hercules. She's sarcastic and not at all like the actual Disney princesses with their more innocent and optimistic nature, yet still charming and kinda relatable with her fears about love which helps keep her very likable to the audience... Too bad she isn't considered a princess nor will Disney likely ever have the balls to ever make one like her though lmao.
Just like any other things that succeeded by standing on their own away from common trends and ironically becomes a common trend itself! It's like a dead meme that became overused by normies, small children and business people.
its comments like these that save time in my day, so I can get back from distractions and rabbit-holing. Like I need to question why a video needs to be 16 minutes long for a one-sentence premise. It’s not that I have a short attention span, but at some point content needs to be more concise and point driven instead of constant fluff, rambling, speculation, and rants. I think we lost that balance of objectivity to entertainment as soon as yt went monetized. Now let me get back to calculating my macros for the day and practicing piano.
Something that annoys me about this 'quirky archetype' is that a lot of older Disney protagonists have been strange or weird relative to their peers - Ariel, Belle, Pocahontas, and even non-princess characters like Lilo, Hercules, or Milo - all characters that is some way are oddballs or 'quirky' in the sense of HAVING QUIRKS. Yet despite all of them sharing that, they are all completely different from each other. The problem with the Quirky Archetype is that it's a contradiction - they're 'weird' but all in the same way.
@@TeaTimeTableEsmeralda was amazing too, she was mature and sly, there aren't many like her character. Another that I really liked was Megara, her sarcasm and realist views were very refreshing.
@@TeaTimeTable I have to respect Elsa because her maturity and sophistication were a contrast for Anna. Her and Tiana were alone among post 2010s princesses. Raya tried but didn't land
Rapunzel made sense to be quirky due to her circumstances and Moana and Mirabel had more to their personalities than being quirky, but Anna and Asha aren't very interesting
Honestly, I would love to see more feisty, badass and headstrong heroines like Jasmine and Esmeralda were. The "adorkable" feels so overdone at this point.
@@OpticalSorcerer I don't think Jasmine is sexualized, just sexy. Other than the scene where she distracts Jafar, there's no scene where she flaunts her sexuality. People need to stop being afraid of skin.
@@OpticalSorcerer I watched Aladdin many times since childhood and never thought Jasmine is sexualized. Yep, she's hot in that red outfit, but it was made on purpose. She's badass, independent and open-minded person with gorgeous look
@@vetarlittorf1807 I think it's moreso issues for the culture; in the Islamic culture, Jasmine's outfit would be considered sexualized for a princess, and Aladdin himself was confirmed as being made sexy for female audiences. Plus Jasmine does flaunt herself for "Ali" before telling him to jump off the balcony.
My two cents is that the things that annoy people about modern disney(twist villians and quirky heros) aren't truely bad on their own, it's just that for some reason, disney likes to keep doing the same thing for multiple movies in a row, which make people tired and burned out on them. I don't know why they feel they need to follow a formula at all. They should just approach each movie as its own thing, bringing completely fresh ideas to each project.
Exactly! It's okay to have a movie with a tragic villain. It's okay to have a movie without a villain. It's okay to have a movie with a villain that's bad to the core. A twist villain is also okay. BUT... Don't let it be a trend that there is only one type of villain for a few years because everyone gets bored.
I see it in the video, I haven't seen it in the trailers... and I dread to see it in the movie. It's just... it's... what the fuck is this. What am I looking at. It just looks bad. Unfunny and ugly.
A reason why asha is so disappointing to me is because her character is TOLD to us. We don’t see her being generous through interactions we see the queen telling her that. We’re told she’s a good person we’re told how nice and amazing she is but we never really see much. Her interactions with both her family and friends are hollow. The king and her have an interesting dynamic solely because of the king. With previous protagonists you don’t be told what they’re like they show it. We see moana is headstrong based on how she reacts to people we also see how compassionate she is in the conversation with Maui. We see how Anna is naive in her first conversation with Hans we aren’t TOLD she’s naive. We see that mirabel is insecure because the movie communicates the characters feelings to the audience! We never get a scene that reveals more of asha. The whole movie I was waiting for her actual character to show up!
@@m3gstarrr436 it just felt like her personality was so void. Like what was her wish did we ever find out? like it feels like asha is a mouth piece for the message more than a character. Look at this good person trying to make a change but also she has no flaws and is absolutely perfect.
@@lilac3266 literally describe it perfectly. we don’t know anything about her. it almost feels like a mini story of series, like she’s already an established character that we know. but we don’t. i feel like i know magnifico more than her.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5ob it very much felt like they were substituting ashas personality for jokes something I noticed in the trailer but thought would only be a trailer thing
To be fair, I don't think Rapunzel, Moana, and Mirabel are quite as quirky as Anna and Asha, who have the same writer. That said, I'd LOVE more serious female leads!
agreed mirabel and moana especially are so different. Mirabels is only an act for the first few minutes (wears off pretty fast) and moana is only like this when she’s struggling to use a BOAT. like she’s not quirky at all💀
@@lilac3266 Yeah, it'd done so differently for them and never feels tired or trying to be "relateable." That said, more serious leads like Raya, Elsa, and Tiana would also be appreciated!
@@OpticalSorcerer agreed I think variety is good but a lot of the characters mentioned do have depth asha is the only one I feel actually has a void personality entirely
@@lilac3266 I haven't seen "Wish" yet, but it does seem that way. It's a shame, since I think the potential of "Wish" (having a nuanced story about wishes, human Star, using 2D or 3D instead of a clunky hybrid style, maybe NOT writing the songs before the script is done) could've skyrocketed it to $1 billion. Oh well; live and learn!
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@Dora-xi5ob Moana even acknowledges this herself. "You don't need to tell me I've got no clue what I'm doing. I know that. But someone has to do SOMETHING and since no one on my island is willing to go beyond and I'm supposed to be the one in charge after my dad then it is going to have to be me. I'm probably going to fail. But it's better than sitting around waiting for everything to die" She knows what she is but she's also willing to take initiative no one else will.
@@Dora-xi5ob Asha’s problem is what she literally don’t haves anything besides this quirkiness. Even motivation. Like….people call her selfish but she’s not at all, because everything she does is for others, like there is no even her wish what she fights for, there is no valid reason for her to do what. It worked with Mulan because she literally was saving her father from death, but now Asha fights for her grandpa’s wish to be granted. But here’s a thing…..WE DONT GIVE A SH** ABOUT HIM. We don’t understand why his wish is so important, if she fails literally nothing would change, if she wouldn’t fight everything would be okay. And what makes her absolutely empty, because she don’t haves at least her own selfish motivation to be a character. It’s just a design walking here and there doing what plot needs, we can clearly see it when in beginning she worries about interview very much and then soon she bravely risks her life, after literally nothing happened what would change her. Plot changes her personality for no reason. She’s absolutely empty and nothing proves it more than her “I want” song, because what does she wants? What is the conclusion? On What strong wish does a star reply? …..”to have something more than this”…….something……when in your motivation, there is word “something”…….you have a GIANT problem……
it’s funny because if you were to ask most adult women which disney character they relate to the most, Megara would probably be high up on that list. her tragic backstory is unfortunately common for a lot of women dealing with heartbreak but the fact that she comes out stronger in the end is truly inspiring. i miss the days when all Disney movies were actually “family” movies and offered compelling characters for people of every age to resonate with. the only demographic that i could see relating to someone like Asha is girls between the ages of 6-12.
The thing is, Meg is not the protagonist of that story? And even within that story, those things are portrayed as signs of something in her that needs fixing. I also have a big soft spot for her, for Hercules in general, but I don't think she represents something we'd actually appreciate Disney going back to.
One difference between Lilo’s quirkiness and that of the newer princesses is that Lilo was bullied and outcast because of her quirks, which is very realistic. It makes her more relatable than any of the recent princesses. I would say the same about Vanellope from Wreck it Ralph
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Totally agree with you. Rarely you can meet a person who considers social awkwardess adorable. Usually people who can't speak in public got bullied in early age and struggle with work in adulthood. If it weren't like this, there wouldn't be so many memes about 'I can't deliver a presentation 'cause I'll faint', as well as courses and self-proclaimed "coaches" who teach people how to speak in public/be independent and successful/move graciously etc.
I wouldn’t exactly call Lilo “quirky”. She’s an impulsive and violent little kid who is the way she is partly because of trauma and partly because of her already present social awkwardness (and also probably neurodivergence).
I miss the days when they had female characters without the quirky persona. For example, Captain Amelia from Treasure Planet was a great character who had her own unique personality. She was courageous, sassy, and a competent leader, but she was also willing to crack jokes here and there. I love her so much. Great video btw❤
Disney forgot that 'quirky' is only one character trait, and an interesting character needs more than that in order to not suck. Rapunzel was quirky but also rebellious, curious, open-minded, and self-sufficient (esp with a skillet). Anna was quirky but also a shut in who probably resorted to her inner creativity to keep her from going completely insane, and she also is devoted, a go-getter, and a little big for her britches. Mirabel was quirky...but also lonely, sensitive, resourceful, encouraging, and the hardest damn worker ever who was brave enough to climb into the walls to search for help for her family. Asha was...quirky and nothing else. She learned nothing, she set off to do something...and she did it. The end. Where's the interesting character arc in that?
Moana was quirky, but also resourceful. It didn't overtake her personality, as she's more caring of her people. She's quirky, but not as much as the others, if that makes sense Edit: just for context I love moana and she's quirky but she's also amazing, sorry if that wasn't clear haha😅
@@just_a_silly_weenie008Moana knew what to do, even if that means teaming with a demi-god and chicken to find and return the heart of Tefiti, so then, the sea would be safer once again.
I think this is part of a greater problem with Disney. There is a common saying that “variety is the spice of life” yet Disney never seems to follow it. Whenever they have an idea which works somewhat, it becomes the only thing they do to the point that it becomes stale. They rarely gives us variety and instead give us the same thing over and over to the point that the audience gets sick of it even if they liked it initially What doesn’t help is that future iterations don’t tend to be as good as how they started
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
They dont have enough diversity in terms of viewpoints, styles, opinions, not enough people of different backgrounds, and ideas...they may hire a black writer, an asian writer but it is all drawn from the same ideology...which leads to dull and non creative writing.
@sew_gal7340 if you listen to like anybody working on any creative media these days you get the picture that it's not a problem with a lack of creativity or diversity... mostly just higher ups who are more concerned with money
As much as I didn’t really like raya and the last dragon I liked that she was more of a jaded and cynical protagonist instead of the same adorkable protagonist that we were used to at that point from them
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Honestly, Raya was a decent character. It was Sisu and Namaari being terrible characters, and the narrative forcing Raya to trust Namaari, when the audience have seen REASONS why she shouldn’t have trusted her.
Disney keeps forgetting to make their villains actually have a legitimate claim to their villainy and give them some sort of ambition. Magnifico would honestly wet his pants in the presence of villains like Jafar and Maleficent. They also don’t seem to think that their heroines don’t need any sort of “flaw” that can’t easily be made to be a strength. Asha’s “flaw” is that she supposedly cares too much but she (and the movie) doesn’t see it as a flaw but as a strength. Give the villains some ambition and let the protagonist be flawed.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Asha's "flaw" sounds like what people say when they're at a job interview and are asked what their weaknesses are. "My biggest weakness is that I'm too dedicated to my job." And I have definitely encountered people whose flaw is that they "care too much." They are generally not very nice people.
Maleficent was so evil that she cursed Aurora to fall into a deep slumber because she wasn’t invited to the party. She most likely still would even if she was invited. Jafar was so power-hungry that he tried to marry Jasmine when he didn’t get the lamp. That man is pure evil incarnate, and he was so fun to watch! (He was also kinda hot, don’t judge me) Magnifico….. He’s just a boring, 1 dimensional villain, and we were robbed of a first ever villain couple from Disney, because the woke POCs didn’t want a villain couple. (I’m not joking, that’s what happened. And we were also robbed of the star being a shape-shifting boy Asha falls for) Disney claims they’re diverse. They’re racially diverse, but not personality diverse in the slightest.
I didn’t see that much of a quirkiness when it comes to Moana, for me she was more curious and adventurous with maybe some hints of quirkiness. Mirabel acted a bit weird because she felt different and tried to play it cool and mask her feelings with her behaviour. Wich leads us exactly to what you were talking about. Character can be odd, quirky, funny etc., but there needs to be a reason for that and those treats shouldn’t be the center of their personalities. Why not to make some powerful characters like Esmeralda, Megara, Mulan or Pocahontas? They were strong, feminine, powerful, complicated in a way and just interesting.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5obin general, most if not all Disney princesses have their quirks. And totally spot on with Mirabel and Moana having quirks and not being quirky themselves. Like you said, Moana is just "quirky" where she is in a situation she dont know how to solve. And Mirabel is that as a genersl mask of her true feelings being left out (seriously most would have realized that once Waiting on a miracle played)
I’ll often see the justification of “uh well, teenagers are flawed, of _course they’re gonna be awkward and be quirky”_ Yeah you know what other flaws teenagers exhibit? Moodiness, temperamental, reactionary, sarcastic, rude, being victim to & engaging in peer pressure/bullying, insecure about ultimately superficial things like social hierarchies and grades And yet, I have rarely seen any young Disney protagonists post Princess & The Frog that have exhibit this normal and realistic teenage flaws (except _maybe_ w/ Hiro Hamada). I think Disney trying to make their protagonists “adorkable” is their safe bet of having characters with “flaws” who are still safe/endearing/not alienating to its audience members
I'd say Mirabel is a character who exhibits other types of emotions than just being quirky. We see her roll her eyes, be sarcastic, and be irritated by her older sister, very usual teen behavior when a relationship with a family member is strained. But she obviously still cared for Isabela and listened to her when she finally opened up about everything that was weighing on her.
Merida from Brave (created by Pixar but technically a Disney film) had those qualities. As a character she was fine, but definitely also showed the shortcomings of the "moody teenager" trope and I even suspect she may even be the reason Disney has shied away from using the archetype since then. For the record, I do think this type of character, done really well is a refreshing alternative. I just think it's much _harder_ to make such a character an appealing main protagonist than the "adorkable" female lead. They usually work better as a supporting character or as a foil to the protagonist. When one is the lead, there needs to be some serious writing chops to keep them from coming off as annoying.
Something I find interesting is that Judy often isn't included in this conversation. I feel this is because despite being in this archetype she feels more natural. Not only does it make sense within the story the writers allow her to break the mold. Like when she proves she can be shrewd when she pries into Nick's criminal history to force him to assist her.
Judy was so much better, like she dreamed of being an important citizen of Zootopia and worked very hard to achieve it. Even if that means teaming-up with a fox, a being that scared her as a little rabbit. And Nick was afraid as he thought he would be a scout, but turned out that he was humiliated. They set their fears asides to work together.
I think it's because her other characteristics far overshadow her quirkiness. The first act of the movie establishes that she's a goal-oriented, optimistic, just, and protective character. These traits are constantly reinforced throughout the movie, which is why any display of quirky, dorky behavior can be compared to that extra dash of pepper you add to your food. Not necessarily needed, but it offers an extra layer of flavor.
Her being in a modern day settling instead of a mythical fairytale land also helps. Remember that the first big movie to have modern relatable slang talking fairytale characters was Shrek, a movie that was *making fun of Disney.* But now every fairytale movie is unironically including slang and people are starting to catch on that it's kind of tonally dissonant when originally, the tonal dissonance was the whole freaking punchline.
What gets me is that Rapunzel and Moana have more than being adorkable and quirky! Rapunzel is creative, she's art-oriented and curious. Moana is raised to be a leader, and she shows that weight of responsibility and the willingness to carry it. Anna and Asha feel more "hehe adorkable ;9", and Mirabel is an in-between. Mirabel makes SENSE though, Mirabel is an outcast and overlooked so her being quirky is understandable. Asha is... eh.
As for Anna, she was isolated for a long time (doesn't help that her sister never talks to her after accidentally hurting her), so that's a reason she's the way she is. I haven't seen Wish but I don't think the movie had a good reason for Asha to be the way she is.
@@Trainboy452 I understand why people say this, but she has staff on hand and she definitely had some kind of lessons as a princess. She was isolated from the entire kingdom yes, but there were people in the castle taking care of her and Elsa--and they had their parents for a comparatively long time (vs Rapunzel) before they died. It'd be more or less like being homeschooled. Her awkwardness is understandable, just not the level of awkwardness (more than Rapunzel who was literally locked away with only one other person?)
Anna could make sense being awkward/quirky since yeah, she had servants, but they're servants, yknow? She could chat to them, but it wouldn't be the same as Elsa, and the servants most likely were tending to the castle. Anna has a reason, maybe not as strong as the others but one nonetheless 😅
I think all of the past characters have a reason. Anna and Rapunzel were isolated, Mirabel is an outcast to her village and her own family, and Moana is mostly "quirky" on the boat. However Asha really doesn't have a set reason that fits into the story.
I wish they'd have some variety with the protagonists. I love quirky characters, but a little variety would be nice. The characters do make sense for being quirky (most) but a short break for some different types would also be appreciated. I'm not saying they should stop, just some more personalities would feel a bit more refreshing yknow 😅
The Tangled show treats Rapunzel's quirks as personality flaws, and shockingly its not just naivite. She can be selfish, manipulative, controlling, overbearing and passive agressive. In fact, you could say she picked up a lot of Gothel's traits
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
I love tangled the series. And I love Rapunzel in it and her flaws that made me both adore and loathe her at the same time. I love that she had these personality flaws, but I disliked that the series refused to really call her out on it, and instead, the writing often glossed over her faults or somehow validated her even when she wasn't entirely in the right.
@@Passions5555 SAW, like the SAW horror film franchise. She kidnapped her friends and forced them to work together on puzzles. That's literally a SAW trap
I kinda feel slighted seeing Rapunzel in there given her state of mind growing up. She wasn't exactly quirky but mentally conditioned to be paranoid but still went into defense mode when Eugene showed up, tied him up and treated him like a threat. If anything, that showed that Rapunzel was very capable but for the wrong reasons, all coming back to her paranoia put into her via Gothelle. Rapunzel had a very fun and interesting character since all she wanted to do was see the world because she HAD been trapped and damn it, you just want to give it to her. Contrast this to Anna and Asha; Anna feels half baked because as... popular Frozen is both she and Elsa are weak personality wise. Elsa is more of a plot device/'physical representation of (fill in the emotion here)' and it really feels like Anna was made as ditzy as possible not to build on the memory thing but because tgey thought it was an easy thing to contrast Elsa being non-emotional and Anna being hyper emotional but within that there is still a lack of personality between both which causes the lack of relationship between them, NOT Elsa isolating herself. Asha is a victim of Wish and Disney being so bland that they believe being quirky is a new, empowering trait. Not only that, it's waaaaaay too modern feeling for the setting they present Wish in. Asha feels like she's that one person trying way too hard to be TikTok famous right out of LA than a character that has the point of view of being a Moor in Spain thousands of years ago. The irony of Disney obsessing over diversity yet all their characters come off as, and I hate to say this, 2023 White girls obsessed with the idea of being an influencer as if no other personalities exist. It's been a pet peeve of mine for the longest, this idea that only ONE personality trait shows strength yet it's always the most superficial borderline obnoxious artificial personality the pick. You want to know why shows like Sailor Moon resonate after 30 years? Because all the Senshi represent a personality type and despite how mixed it is, there is strength in all of them. Hell, Usagi is quirky and she's also lazy, gluttonous, and can be self centered at times.....but she sees her friends getting hurt and she'll fuck you up. It's the same with Ami being soft spoken and needy yet strong willed and courageous, often times more than Usagi. Usagi also wasn't needlessly passive aggressive disguised as forwardness and even if she could be petty (cough her relationship with Rei cough) she didn't drag that into how she ruled as Queen and eventually grew up. Usagi is really wholesome as a human mom (fans of the manga will know what I'm talking about) and as Queen she was powerful, just but didn't act like her people were under her or just cogs to her story. A lot of Disney 'heroines' feel that way now. Like they can constantly act like annoying shits and their lives mean more than others or that their plans are the only ones that matter. It's kinda sad how it's gone down like this, from having fun and charming characters of various personalities to everyone feeling like a wannabe Tiktoker in the worst possible way. Edit: I know this comment is already too long but on your final point, having story makers that LOOK diverse won't matter if the only stories that are approved still feel the same which is the problem. We're getting endless quirky girls because that's the approved type the collective crews want. As I mentioned with the Sailor Moon analogy, SM shows different personalities but even with your defense of the OG princesses having different personalities, it's not seem as a strength. Despite all the battle cries for diverse stories, they're all going to be boiled down in the most homogenized way because the thoughts of those in charge is that there is only one way that be strong. Snow White and Cinderella aren't 'strong' because they weren't needlessly snarky, sarcastic and passive aggressive. Those are the 'strong' traits along with oddly out of place 'quirkiness'
Well said! Rapunzel was a very sheltered girl and well, despite her being 18 she's mentally stunted because of her lack of experience in the outside world AND because of her gaslighting mother. I still find her relatable until now.
Ok but why 2023 white girls that want to be influencers so bad like other personalities dont exist? Why only white? Of course its not true and this sounds racist
yes! I always felt that this diversity of Disney is so bland bc they never try to tell different stories with these characters. Like, we have a quirk norwegian teen girl with family problems, a quirky maori teen girl with family problems, a quirky colombian teen girl with family problems and so on... I mean we all know that they're doing diverse characters only for profit and not because disney really care about marginalized groups, but they could at least try and do something interesting like exploring folk stories of other parts of the world that are not western europe
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
I loved Rapunzel because she was the first of these types, the original quirky princess, and it was her character. And I also liked Anna with that because just like Rapunzel, she was isolated her whole life, so it makes perfect sense for them to be like that. Maybe the same with Mirabel, but only when she's speaking with Abuela or about the gifts.... And for the rest of them, no...
For Mirabel it works for her as well because she wanted to stand out as much as her family so by making a bright outfit with so many details & acting bubbly, how can you miss her?
From what I've read, Mirabel is either a teen or very young adult. Plus, acting well for her family can explain her. Many teens can act like that, even adults as well, it feels relatable. However, its overused, we need VARIETY 😭
@@just_a_silly_weenie008Mirabel is 15-16 years old, she's the same age as her cousin Camilo. I wouldn't blame her for being weird, her family kinda treats her poorly and she isn't treated the same as the other Madrigals by the village because she has no gift.
@@stxrstruck6755 yeah, I don't blame her either. I understand how her character works, I just wish we would have some variety,yknow? I love quirky characters, but a short break would be nice 😅
I absolutely love Rapunzel, I love the entire scene of her being outside of the tower for the first tile and swinging back and forth between anxiety for her mother and disappointing her, and extreme excitement to be outside and embracing her freedom. That montage always makes me crack up. I have not seen this newest disney movie yet, and maybe this is just a trope I happen to like, but if I had to guess, I would assume people dislike that Disney decided to turn it into a formula. It's like, they initially figured out how to give this girl a personality and make them loveable through their enthusiasm and individuality, and instead of going "oh so people like good character writing" they went "oh, so people like it when women are quirky!".
I think that the best word to describe Wish is "generic," but maybe that was intentional, because it's just a bunch of past Disney movies slapped together haphazardly into something "new" What a disappointing way to celebrate 100 years
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
9:30-10:20 i agree. Snow White & Cinderella were strong female characters because they stayed strong in the face of adversity. That is also the reason why Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame is another very strong female character because she stayed strong despite society & Frollo discriminating against her because she was a gypsy
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
i would love if disney did a female kuzco: starts out selfish and bratty and teaches the value of kindness and empathy. not only does this show that princesses or main female characters are MADE, they aren’t just born perfect but it would be original
I wouldn't say they don't work anymore. The reason Rapunzel, Anna, and Judy Hopps went over so well is they were tempered by their co-lead(s). Rapunzel had Flynn, Hopps had Nick Wilde, and Anna had Kristoph and Elsa. You need the "straight man" trope to off-set the quirkiness. Wish didn't have that.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@thecensoredmuscle563 she wants INDEPENDENCE FREEDOM RESPECT CONSIDERATION:(to y’know have her very own mother LISTEN TO HER):while being NON-MALE so you’re bashing demonizing
I think the quirky Disney princess is like a convergent evolution similar to the manic pixie dream girl of romcoms of the 2000's and early 2010's. People liked the exciting energetic nature but begun getting tired of the apparent lack of dimension, until the term lost all positive connotations. And I think its beginning to see a similar pattern with the quirky Disney princesses--only 10 years later and unrelated development.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
maybe I'm just ageing myself here, but do any of y'all remember way back when seeing Mulan, Belle, Jasmine, Ariel, Megara, heck even Nala as a young girl? they all had their own personalities and motivations but they were strong or intelligent or courageous or adventurous, but could also be naive or jaded or cynical. they felt like real people (or lions) and the men in quite a few of those movies had to learn that they were more than just beauty which was really quite positive messaging for the times. (the Beast learning that love really meant doing what was right for Belle, not for himself? give me more of that pleeeease.) I almost totally forgot about Mulan because she's such an outlier in terms of not being a love interest or princessy type, but what an amazing female character in the OG animated film!
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
I think a reason Disney has quirky adorkable protagonists is because they’re all still teenagers with some childlike elements that can have the demographic audience of mostly children or teenagers relate more to them since they have some funny aspects of them. However there were some moments where I got mad at the protagonist Asha and realized adorkable quirkiness was overused
@@vetarlittorf1807tropes are a tool. The problem is they’ve let themselves get pigeonholed in one direction. If they put more variety and took more risks away from the formula they’d be better off. The problem is investors want known quantities, not risks. Disney needs to be put back in the hands of (good) creatives, not shareholders and bean-counters.
As a teen, some of us act quirky for sure. I'd like a princess with anxiety (as someone who knows people with it) as it could still relate to the audience whilst being a bit more mature. Then we'd get variety a bit more, whilst remaining kinda childlike😅
Exactly, I also think that is why they had those traits fit them and are a bit relatable for me: being youngster but at the same time without losing my inseparable childlike trait
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Star got shafted as a main character because he allegedly did too much and made Asha too secondary of a protagonist. They also nerfed the crap out of him.
Disney could really learn from Studio Ghibli. Genuine, pure-hearted but flawed characters that we can relate to and root for, with their own goals and methods of attaining those goals. And they had both boy and girl protagonists, with ages ranging between 5 and 18.
Rapunzel and Anna have an excuse, they were isolated and had minimal human interaction. But Asha doesn't suit the personality, her whole appearance has a more regal and mature feeling from her long and purple robes or a feisty and more active princess
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
What I would've liked is if Asha was more of a recluse, not necessarily quirky but more introverted. That would've made sense as to why she talks to her pets, but instead, she has a decent friend group AND talks to her pets? How was she supposed to contrast an extraverted villain like Magnifico if she too is extraverted?
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Here's how her personality could've been (it's also something I came up with for my rewrite): Asha could've been shy, introverted, a little mature and headstrong but still a little bit of a jokester? Purple is mostly a shy, introverted, tranquil color, a quiet dignity about it as well. Now I don't believe that certain colors align with personality, but seeing as I'm a shy introvert who likes the color purple. Asha could've been a representation for people who are like me or other introverts. (And I saw another commenter say that the "adorkable protagonist with some childlike elements as a teenager" is used so much because they want kids and teens to relate to them. I'm a teenager, I don't consider myself childlike nor adorkable. Yeah I'm goofy and I have a sense of humor but that's about it. But not every teenager, tween, and kid has the same personality trait. all of us are different)
Here's something that Disney is very out of touch on: The fact that most teenagers, many actually, are more mature now than they were 10/15 years ago (I say this as someone who remembers still). The world they grew up in requires them to be mature early because, quite frankly, 60% of American households are shit parents.
And what's funny is that Disney doesn't even know that teenagers (especially girls) try their hardest to stay away from that word the best we can. No one of today wants to be called "Quirky" EVER@@BrokensoulRider
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
So Mirabel’s only trait is quirky? What about her being able to connect with her family members and heal them? So what if her personality is “quirky”? Her and the rest before Asha were distinct characters
You hit on exactly why I’m over the quirky manic pixie Disney princesses - they’re aimed at being relatable to kids, instead of inspiring. What happened to _women_ like Cinderella (in both the cartoon and the live action), the OG Belle, and the OG Aurora?? Unfortunately, I think they turned both Belle and Aurora into “quirky girls“ in the live action remakes. But the original Cinderella, Aurora, and Belle were elegant, mature, graceful, down to earth, and poised. They acted like _young adults._ Your adult kids could aspire to be like I wanted to _be like them_ when I was younger! I don’t look at the modern adorkable princesses and think “wow, she’s so graceful and mature and grounded, I want to grow up to be like her!” Because they’re painted to be relatable, not inspiring. I see my teenage self in the modern quirky princesses - and that’s not what I want to “grow up to be.” They are cute, but they act like girls, not women. And that’s the key difference.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid - Right, and I'd call that regression. Adults wishing they could still be kids isn't inspiring, it's kinda pathetic IMO. I'd personally much rather see today's children be inspired upward, to be strong, mature, graceful, thoughtful adults. But that's just my opinion.
They even draw them with toddler bodies. The big heads and eyes. I think you are onto something, here. Tiana was the last Princess who felt like an adult (or even just not-a-child.) It made sense for Rapunzel to be stunted in some ways. I am not giving Ana a pass because she still had her parents and the castle staff to socialize her.
@@AstraeaAntiope - RIGHT! Even the design of their bodies. I was interested in inspiring women characters when I was little, and I still am now, as a 24-yr-old woman myself!
The OG Cinderella was probably my favorite. Not only was she mistreated, but she never ceased to treat others kindly, especially the mouses and birds. She worked hardly to get to the party herself. My only complaint is that the fairy godmother took her time to help her and set a limit for that.. But i guess, it's the plot after all.
Mulan was clumsy but knew when to turn that off and be mature in certain situations. Same with jasmine, and sometimes Moana. It seems as if when the stakes are high and the protagonists are "ha-haing" their way through it, it takes the intensity away. The reason why mulan is my favorite Disney princess, is that her life was literally on the line every day. There was no room to look cute and act adorable. Her mission was succeeded because she used her hands and fists: not her adorkableness nor her baby voice. I loved Rapunzel and i love tangled That character shouldve remained a stand alone. Not a current baseline
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Mulan was only clumsy when it came to being "ladylike" and "desirable", which underlined that that wasn't a role she fit or felt comfortable in and that she was only trying to be to make her family proud. She was very capable and quick witted in practical every day situations. She was also a little clumsy during the first trainings but how would she not when she has to simultaneously juggle training amongst strange men to become a soldier (something she never thought she'd ever be doing) and trying to hide that she's actually a woman. And then she overcame that in the coolest way.
Encanto was the last Disney movie I wholeheartedly enjoyed. I quit consuming Disney around the year 2018 but came to check on Encanto because I saw the trailer by chance and the trailer alone told me it was genuinely a good movie. And it was, it really was/is. After Encanto though Disney went back to its usual crap.
Yes because unlike Wish that followed a generic story, Encanto was a complete subversion of what you’d usually expect from Disney stories. Mirabel never went on a journey to find her gift or realized “you don’t need a gift to be special” it was much more than that
I feel like a great way to get a quote unquote “relatable to the kids” protagonist is to give them some sort of well, stoicism. Maybe even verging on outright depression. Because how refreshing would it be if your disney protagonist deadpanned and needed to find the well, motivation, to do what the story was asking of them, which could easily be connected to the world and the story they’re trying to tell by lieu of backstory and having to overcome their past and embrace the present.
and once again, Pixar beats Disney to the punch🤣 i completely agree which is why i have such high hopes for Inside Out 2. i think Disney keeps missing the mark when it comes to talking about important topics. Pixar is always the first one to handle darker subjects like death in Soul and now “anxiety” and “ennui” (depression) in Inside Out 2. when Disney finally decides to talk about real topics, it’ll have already been executed perfectly by Pixar.
This is absolutely why I love Princess and The Frog, both Tiana and Lottie are from completely different backgrounds and I love how they show the class differences between the characters. Not to mention Tiana knows her mom worked for Lottie’s dad and didn’t let it affect their relationship. Or how Lottie makes sure Tiana has things going for her (handing her piles of cash, having her cater her party, bringing her to exclusive events with royalty, etc.) Both women have their idea of what they want, but have to undergo completely separate ways to find their dreams and it still doesn’t split them apart in the end. Plus Lottie doesn’t resent Tiana for falling in love with Naveen! It’s literally just perfect, with a great balancing of protagonists against the antagonists (Voodoo Man + Spirits + Lawrence/Mama Odee + firefly Ray/Croc Louis + Naveen). Not to mention the dog talking for literally one second and it was recognizing Tiana as the frog…
Disney needs to go back to creating character designs that stand out. Leading characters like Quasimodo, Lilo, Stitch, Kuzco, and Megara are so memorable not just because of their great personalities and arcs, but because they have striking and distinct character designs.
these days it feels like disney branding is 50% the samey character models for both main female and male leads, every movie still feels distinct but it's more driven by environmental design now instead of each movie having a distinct art style across the entire world like the 2d animated ones, the only characters that get to be really unique are side characters 😔
I was fine when Disney did the quirky female lead with Tangled and Frozen, but I kinda got bored of it soon after Encanto and Wish (I personally love Moana, so I’m not gonna be too hard on the film for having a typical quirky lead).
Is Moana a quirky lead? She doesn't do many goofy or physical comedy moments herself, she is more of the straight-man while Maui and the ocean and Hehe and whatever are being silly around her. Which I appreciate! I like that she takes her future as a leader seriously, and I like watching her grow into it.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
I believe the world and Disney needs more heroines with refinement, consistent character development and proper manners, instead of every single character being as mentally immature as possible.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
this!!! i watch some of these and wonder whatever happened to manners and grace? why are those not respected pillars to have anymore? why do we have to have leads that act in such...odd ways?
Yeah. Some people always try to justify it by the never ending "but they're teenagers!!" bs...well guess what, many teens can and are more mature than what most adults seem to think!, not only is it almost offensive to even put such a big demographic all in the same bag, but they're also wasting *so* much potential. Many people have to force themselves to mature earlier for a wide variety of reasons too, so why not use that for a more refreshing and less shallow character and plot?
Why is it so hard to give female leads in Disney movies traits similar to the old princesses? I loved Aurora and Cinderella and Belle. I get that maybe the "graceful" types were a bit overdone back then, but it's basically what happened with making the recent princesses "quirky." I don't see anything wrong with making future princesses elegant and mellow as long as they build onto that and give them more personality. Even if they gave us more characters like Jasmine and Esmeralda, the point here is that there's more that can be done with female leads that goes beyond beauty and/or dorkiness. It's like Disney only has those two traits in mind for their characters these days. Maybe I just prefer the old movies, but I see nothing wrong with making more "traditional" Disney princesses. What I WON'T tolerate, though, are more twist villains- I want bad guys that are actually bad and have dark motives. No more "turns out they're just misunderstood" nonsense.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
I miss older style princesses that feel a bit more mellow as well. I know as a child, I much preferred these types of characters because I was always a very gentle and relaxed child myself. I know there are children who would feel a connection to those types even today. It was so easy to find your favorite princess or other character and relate to that specific one. For me, it was Belle, but a lot of the characters today feel too much the same. Jasmine was cool, strong and kind while still getting across she didn't fully understand what life was like out on the streets and was naive in ways. Even Aurora being one of the earliest princesses showed how she was sheltered and she had a cute silliness or quirkiness to her by literally dancing and singing with the animals in the forest. She could be bubbly, shy, wary and coy in the little time we spent with her. I need to rewatch some newer films, but even without a ton of screentime, I swear older characters felt more complex and human showing more than their two things being headstrong and quirky. Tiana felt like they would head in a good direction, but then they made her a frog the whole film, which I still think was a big blunder. Twist villains are the worst as well! Not sure what Disney has been thinking there as I know a lot of Disney adults LOVE the villains in particular, they always had the best songs and there's a lot of merchandise that sells just for villains. It's been a very weird shift.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
It made sense for Rapunzel and Anna to have this personality, their upbringing completely justifies it, I would argue it also makes sense for Mirabel because she's trying to stay positive while dealing with feelings of self-doubt among her family, when it's apropriate I don't think it's a problem to have a heroine with a Quirky personality but I think Disney doesn't know how to use that personality in a proper manner anymore. Just compare these modern heroines with Mulan or Jane who also had shades of quirkyness, they were super clumsy but it was less about their personality and more about the enviroment they were in. Jane was a proper British lady who acompanied her father in a journey to a jungle because they are both that passionate about their area of study, when she's not tripping over herself because of trees or animals she comes across as very knowledgeable in her field, her problem is that she hasn't adapted to her enviroment yet but by the end of the movie that changes. Mulan's whole story is that she doesn't know who she's supposed to be, she had a place in society assigned to her and she just can't seem to fit in properly, whenever she tries to fulfill her role something ends up breaking or going up in flames, but from the very beggining we see hints that she has other talents that aren't being recognized by other people because it's not proper for a person with her role in that society, so she tries having a different role both out of self sacrifice and a desire to find her true self, and she's also clumsy in this new area too but just in the beggining, she's pushed to give up but she perseveres and ends up improving. I'm gonna parrot what ModernGurlz said in her video about this, the quirkiness of these old disney heroines wasn't utilized to make them relatable to the audience, it was utilized to generate tension in their stories, Jane almost dies multiple times cause she doesn't know the jungle, Mulan's failures both as a bride and as a soldier brings social punishments to her and her family and she also runs the risk of dying if she fails as a soldier. Outside of being a byproduct of their upbringing what value does the quirky personality brings to the story of these modern heroines? You can argue that Mirabel's helps add depth to her character and it's a proper reaction to not feeling apreciated by her family so it might guide her arc but the thing is you don't necessarily need a Quirky personality for all that, Cinderella also had a horrible family situation and she didn't dealt with that using quirkiness, she used optimism and also sassiness whenever she could and she was the oposite of clumsy in her day to day. They could have given Mirabel another personality but they chose to do another Quirky heroine cause they think it's important that the audience thinks the heroine is funny and adorable, cause that means we like and relate to them I guess. I know the Quirky personality was a response to the criticism that old Disney heroines were too perfect and that sets too high a bar for real girls to aspire to (again, see Cinderella's example, she endured so much with such grace) but I think Disney simply goes too far and making every heroine have the same personality is also bad for real girls cause it sends the message that all girls are all the same or that they have to act this way in order to get their happy ending. Variety is the name of the game, give me no-nonsense capable girls like Tiana, give me confident and sarcastic girls like Meg, give me optimistic and romantic girls like Snow White and Cinderella, they've done it so well in the past, there's no need to copy and paste like this when we had so much variety before.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5ob Honestly I think Disney has done this before, it just wasn't so blatant before. I would say Ariel and Bella are also quiky characters but not of the "adorkable" variety, Ariel and Bella had hobbies and interests that put them at odds with the world around them and advanced their character arcs or (again) served to create tension in their stories. Beauty and The Beast had a whole song number where the villagers said Bella weirded them out because of her interests and just her way of being, which caused Belle to feel isolated and pushed her to dream of better things and of having someone to understand her for who she is. Ariel was the only mermaid who looked fondly towards the things from the surface and this interest culminated in her meeting Eric, when her father finds everything out it causes a rift between them so wide that Ursula has room to come in and convince her to do something she would never do otherwise and Ariel ends up going even farther away from her family. Bella was never clumsy though, she was always shown to be capable in the things she has experience with, it's only when wolves or things like that come into question that she needs help. Similarly Ariel is only ever clumsy in properly dangerous situations or when she's out of her element (heh), like her exploring the sunken ship and learning how humans live. Their quirkiness was used to make the characters relatable and endearing, I think in Bella's case it was just that, but with Ariel I don't know how relatable brushing your hair with fork is to the audience. (I have no doubt many children started doing that after seeing the movie though) When you compare the way the quirkiness of these characters was integrated in the story with the way the quirkiness of Disney princesses in the last years like Moana and Mirabel was integrated in their stories it feels a bit... not out of place but maybe underwhelming? Like all these new heroines do with their personality is be clumsy and say funny things, even with full blown quirky characters like Ariel she wasn't quipping or saying funny one liners all the time, the funny things she said was specific to how she viewed things from the human world. I do agree Asha is what made many people realize Disney has a problem, but hey the first step to fixing a problem is recognizing you have one, I don't think these new heroines are bad characters, I just would like to see more variety in girl's personalities again.
Honestly, ever since the "adorkable" thing was pointed out, I can't stop noticing it! It worked well for Rapunzel, Anna and Mirabel and made sense given their stories of isolation. But characters like Moana and especially Raya should probably be more serious given their journeys. I agree that it's been overdone, I think I'd like to see something different for their next Princess. Even Rapunzel started to grow out of her "adorkableness" in TTS.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
Mulan not only shines with her personality, the film itself puts the story ABOVE the disney formular. It stops being a disney "musical" the second they arrived at the battlefield to properly show the horrors of war and to honor the theme of the story. The adorkable trope has been run to the ground by now, i am so tired of it
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
Disney should quite literally bring in people ages 10-18 and just ask them questions about their personality. Maybe that's how they can bring in different types of personalities because I don't think they know how to anymore, plus they can get ideas from little kids. (Because let's be honest, little kids have tons of ideas way better than Disney at this point)
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
as great of an idea that is, i don’t think lack of ideas is the problem. i’m sure Disney has a ton of other ideas for characters and movies, but they’re going to continue to play it safe until it’s no longer lining their pockets. thankfully people are just now starting to catch on and Disney has seen a hit in their box office performance, but it could be a while before we see anything of quality from this studio. the idea that Disney lacks direction and creativity while sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars doesn’t really hold up. their priorities go where the money goes, so they’ll continue to focus all their efforts on shitty live action remakes, Frozen sequels and the MCU. it’s the unfortunate reality. Disney probably has dozens of talented artists and writers who are just dying to share their ideas and create something great, but if those ideas don’t translate to an easy cash-grab, they’re probably sent to collect dust with all the other archived projects.
At the end you state exactly why I hate a lot of modern movie trends. People have taken the "It's not that deep" way too far and we stopped criticizing movies properly. Disney saw this and it gave them no incentive to continue to try hard. I also think Disney being allowed to own so many IPs contributed as well because they became the only hub for entertainment.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
I think people nowadays are far more critical than ever over media, sometimes it can be annoying. There's nothing wrong to be critical but some takes are a reach
Every SpongeBob needs a Squidward. Comedy and tragedy go hand in hand because they empower and balance each other. With no comedy, the emotional weight is crushing but with no tragedy there are no stakes. Disconnection is the result of ether extreme. Life is highs and lows- a straight line is death.
Another reason Lilo works the most as the “quirky, adorkable” protagonist is because she’s 6. Six year olds are quirky and adorkable by nature, but they’re also ferocious when angered or hate-filled
The point of quirky characterization is to distinguish the character from others in creative ways. Quirky by this point has lost its true meaning if it's just being the norm of almost EVERY modern disney character by this point. It makes them just blend in with the rest.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Something I've also noticed is that since Moana, they haven't really done any lead romances- Which I get, you don't always need to have a relationship- But ever since Flynn and Rapunzel, I've been longing to see another deep relationship :( As a sucker for romance, truly devastating to me-
@@madmouse1016 people who’ve been hospitalized exist y’know including myself:(btw no I’m not really trying to seek pity just FYI):and I honestly personally find the word “healthy” to make little to no sense:(just me personally so it would seem):when it comes to relationships of course I never actually even tried to ever even imply that loving relationships aren’t desirable they CLEARLY ARE DESIRABLE DUH so whatever I guess
What these characters lack are something to bounce off of their personalities. Nothing challenges these characters on a deeper level other than having it be a shallow good vs evil conflict. What worked about previous examples was because the quirky girls had a character foil to bounce off of (ex. Rapanzel has Flynn to push her to become more rebellious and self-aware, Anna had Kristoff and Elsa to challenge her beliefs). None of that is here and Asha is a worst character because of this. She’s the worst kind of character writing where she’s flat *and* static.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Moana had Maui, her grandma, her dad, her mom, and even Te Ka/Te Fiti (in a way) to bounce off, while Mirabel had her sisters, cousins, Abuela, and Bruno. From what I've seen, Asha doesn't have that.
Diseny nowadays : form over function. I was really scared this was going to be the case with Maribell too. Quirky for the sake of the trends, but they made it fit into her character by having it be a natural response to how she is the odd one out in her family. Her tendency to be upbeat and moments of awkwardness result from overcompensating for not having a gift like the rest of her family and her wanting so desperately to fit in and fulfill a purpose within the family. It worked with Maribell because they never overdid it for the sake of jokes or being so "#relatabel". One of the most important moments for grounding her character as a genuine person was the scene where she talks to her cousin underneath the bed. She's there to cheer him up but she does so showing real empathy and vulnerability. This is what seems to lack in Wish. Ajah(?) what's her name's personality was tacked on instead letting it be part of the bigger story.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@Dora-xi5ob Asha has the unfortunate circumstances that her movie as a whole is lacking in every way. Many of the modern Disney princess and their movies have been critiqued in one area or another for everything Wish is getting bashed for. Sadly, Asha is going to get the most negative attention because it's come to a point where it just can't be overlooked anymore for many. I often forget Raya's movie exists, but her movie was pretty terrible half the time. I think the reason why it gets more of a pass is because it did try to do something different or because people forget about it. While Raya doesn't fall into the adorkable trend, the plot and themes of the movie were just a mess. Raya could've been the next Mulan, but the writing just wasn't there in the story it oversimplified its message to an insulting degree to what was otherwise visually and conceptually a pretty cool film. This kind of writing flaw also seems present in Frozen 2, where the message got convoluted yet oversimplified, but even Frozen two had its good character moments and music. Wish just doesn't have anything to redeem it in the eyes of the audience, the music is generic, the jokes don't hit, and the characters aren't anything more than just passively likable. And that's what's going to make a lot of people focus on all the negative aspects a lot more than any of the previous entries, even if they are guilty of many of the same flaws.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this💀
I have the impression that we have the third era of the Dark Ages, the first one was in the 70-80s, the second one in the 00s. The third one was in the 2020s.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Asha's design was so coded to be elegant, idk it just felt that way, maybe it was her long hair and her purple dress?? When I saw their Wish poster and I was like, oh finally some elegant princess, but they want it to sell the adorkable more???
I feel like for Mirabelle, a large amount of her quirky personality, does actually make sense in the story. She’s the only one who doesn’t have a magical gift, so she basically over-compensates by being super bubbly and fun. Sort of in hopes that that will make her interesting enough that the village people won’t care that she doesn’t have magic. And she becomes more serious as the movie goes on because her being liked becomes so much less important to her.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Merida from Brave is my favourite Disney character. I really like her personality and she’s like no other princess (maybe Mulan but they have their differences)
What's funny is she's often written off because a lot of people didn't like Brave for some reason. It had no real villain, though the protag could easily be also seen as the antagonist because she CAUSED THE ISSUES trying to prove that she does not need a husband. She goes to try and fix it, and along the way, learn a lot from her mother as a bear when she did not want to learn it at all originally. She's the best case-study for modern feminism, yet movie bad. Somehow.
@@MonsterMashed The marketing for it was kind of misleading -- seemed to hint at more of a dark fantasy epic quest film when it turned out to be more of a light-hearted, slapstick adventure movie.
This could make for an interesting storyline for someone like Lola Bunny: she's been everything from a Sex Symbol, Damsel in Distress, a Tomboy, A Mary Sue, a High Class Elite, a Perfume Expert, Obsessive, A Stalker, a Chef, etc. She's so unsure about what her role as a Looney Toon is and feels she doesn't fit in that she doesn't realize that unlike the other characters she can experiment and try new things whereas the others would feel out of place.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
The quirky princess main character isn't the problem with this film as much as it is the lack of great supporting characters that have been there in previous films. Not only that, but let's not forget who voiced Rapunzel and Anna, Mandy Moore and Kristen Bell, two of the most charming, quirky actresses of our time. What makes them both so wonderful really shines through in their voice acting for these two characters. The thing with Miranda is she's really, really young taking on a huge task and trying to act like she is adult enough to handle it when she knows deep inside that she's in way over her head. Her quirkiness is a child trying to prove to herself and everyone else that she's adult enough to take on the challenges that are waiting for her.
What about a princess that's actually the villain (not like Elsa) who slowly learns her lesson? Traits: like personality traits that some kids learn to outgrow/are taught out of like selfishness etc. Can even do this with a Princess and the Pea adaption I just realised Brave kind of does this and I think the princess was good and the set up it's just the music wasn't there (which is something that's a draw for Disney and more could have happened story wise)
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Brave is a really good example of this! i think Disney could really perfect this formula if they show us a bit of a backstory for why our protagonist is the way she is. something I felt was lacking in Brave was the character set-up. has Merida always been this way? is she this way solely because of her mom? or is it the societal expectations placed on her? these are all questions id love to have answered in a movie like Brave. i think the mother/daughter dynamic can make for a very compelling story but i wish Pixar went for it a bit more. i think a more in-depth backstory would make the protagonist a lot more real and likeable, kind of like Mei’s mom in Turning Red. i know the whole “generational trauma” plot is getting a bit old with Disney but i honestly don’t think they’ve fully explored the complexities of that topic yet.
Let's see: Anna was left with being adorkable or peculiar because she was isolated and without knowledge of how to socialize, which made her nice; the same with Rapunzel.. but that didn't suit Asha. At least Rapunzel wasn't too, but in Asha maybe was overused the concept . It also suited Mirabel, since being one made her not fit in with her family and they saw her quirkiness and clumsiness as a disability to do things perfectly.. but the sad is at the same time that Anna, Rapunzel and Mirabel were peculiar it was also because they were lonely by their circumstances: Mirabel seemed to have no friends apart from Casita; Anna, her only friend was Elsa; and Rapunzel only had Pascal I think I miss heroines like Cinderella, Bella, Tiana and Mulan
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Rapunzel was the last quirky one that worked fully for me. Loved her Btw I always felt like an alien, failed at understanding social cues, had hyprfixation interests, my quirkiness actually caused issues and Lilo was the first character I really felt was made FOR ME. It’s the reason i head canon she’s autistic
Honestly, ''Wish'', to me, feels like a series on Disney Junior, like ''Sofia the First'' or ''Elena of Avalor''. I don't know why, I just feel like it.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
At least Elena of Ávalor gave a crap about the culture they were representing. Wish couldn't even use the right dialect for the little Spanish there was. Context clues tell us this movie takes place in Andalucia but they're using the American dialect? It would make more sense to be using the Andalucian dialect but there's no seseo or lack of leísmo here here.
Something very interesting is that the storyboards for the original version of Wish had Asha as a pretty different character. She was a goal-oriented, kinda stoic and direct-to-a-fault type of person. They most likely added that quirkiness after Starboy became the plushie, so she would be more light-hearted. Not that it was a particularly good idea.
rapunzel should never be put in the same box as asha and anna. rapunzel's quirkiness was so well done and actually funny. anna and asha are just annoying man
If I were to edit the film here’s what I’d do: 1. Give Asha a real personality & detailed back story 2. Give the audience a chance to know Asha’s father & why his wish is so important to her. When Asha is being interviewed by the King, he mentions knowing her father….that idea could’ve been fleshed out to add meaning to the plot. What was the King’s relationship with the Asha’s father? Does it contribute to the King’s motives? Does it explain why the King trusted Asha so quickly to see his Wish Lair? 👑 3. Delete the useless side characters so that there’s 2-3 instead of 7. Give those 2-3 characters unique personalities/wishes/relevant side plots. 4. Add more world building and explain the lifestyle of Rosas townspeople’s 🌹 5. Give Asha a Prince so she has another main character to bounce her personality off of (have interesting interactions that show you their personalities/emotions/values.) ❤**Plus, I want to see romance again. Whimsical/innocent romance is part of what makes Disney films so memorable. 6. Give Asha outfit changes/have a scene with her braids in a different style 🥻 7. Either do all 2-D OR all 3-D in a different art style than we’ve seen in the last few Disney films. 8. Don’t let the Goat talk 9. Tell the audience more about the King and Queen’s relationship. I enjoyed the concept of her choosing to leave him to support Asha. If thought out, the King & Queen could’ve had a very intriguing secondary plot addressing adult themes. This would’ve made the movie a “family film” rather than a cheap kids movie. 🎥
"Lets hope that disney changes for the better due to Wish's failure." They wont. Theyre more scared of being called out on not being the most inclusive and accepting film makers so instead of making different movies based on different cultures, they just make a dirty sink movie of inclusive concepts while not making any risky stories or artistic choices. Just inoffensive adorkable characters of a variety of cultures in a bland and safe story.
They've been having nothing but failures at the box office for a while now. They know they are in hot water and they came up with Wish. I think it's clear they don't care they are realising mid to vad content. I don't know what it'll tale for Disney to trully start fixing things and at this point I don't care. I can only hope people, consumers will stop wasting their eyes, ears, time, and money in this brand because it stopped being good a very long time ago. And I repeat, they have zero interesting in changing their ways. It's been shown again and again.
It's hard to tell if Asha doesn't work because of the tiredness of the trope, or if she doesn't work because everything in the movie around her also doesn't work.
I can understand some characters being quirky or adorkable because it matches the experiences they lived. Rapunzel was isolated for 18 years and only started having social interactions way passed when people normally get that experience. She was the first adorkable Princess and it worked. She had many additional lovable qualities like her determination and sense of adventure. Anna was similar. Not as much isolation as Rapunzel but never interacted with anyone other than adult servants who wouldn't have been able to match her socialization needs. Mirabel works as she's an outcast from her family. She's the "weirdo" but she tries to fit in with no avail. Her and Bruno act pretty similar, awkward and out of place but you're able to conect to them since a lot of people can relate to their experiences. I don't know much about Moana and I have not seen Wish so no opinion on those.. I love these characters, they make wonderful characters in their story but I would love to see more diverse personalities going forward. There is so much you can make. Fun fact: Wish was supposed to be a love story and the star was supposed to be humanoid and the love interest... We were robbed imo.
It’s the Tony Stark issue. Tony was a breath of fresh air, a very unique hero with a signature snarky/ sarcastic way of delivering every piece of dialogue, throwing witty one liners constantly and we loved him for it. Then they applied his personality to everyone and it became tedious.
I want to see an arrogant hero that gets humbled and (shocker) changes as the story goes on. Like they are high on life kusco but a princess. But nah that can never happen.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
This is a really valid point that I'd never thought about or noticed: The original Disney heroes weren't quirky, their sidekicks and surroundings added the quirkiness. Thank you for your insightfulness!
we need more characters like Mulan, she was so badass and such an awesome character, we need princesses that kids can look at and go "I wanna be like her when I grow up" instead of just laughing at how quirky and weird they are
I was expecting Moana to have more of a personality like Pocahontas or Esmeralda, considering the setting of her story. On the other hand, I was expecting Asha to have a personality that is a combination of Snow White and Ariel's. Disney really needs to stop with this adorkable personality.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
@@Wizard608 Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
Here i come defending Mirabel: IMO she's the QUIRKIEST Disney princess but she is allowed to and the reason why its because of her story. She has a reason to behave that way. Shes an ostracized child, a bad omen and the black sheep of the family that has to hold a standard that's quite literally impossible for her to archieve. The Madrigals are expected to be perfect and Mirabel is always getting in the way of others. She has been suffering ever since the candle didnt gave her a door, she lives in the nursery that she has to share with Antonio, she doesnt even have her own personal room. She constantly overcompensates for the fact she does not have a gift, her own sister calls her out on that in the movie. When she sings about wishing for a Miracle she shows that it's just a facade to hide her pain. She has self esteem issues and constantly tries too hard to be useful, and fails. She is a quirky character done right.
I would say she’s actually the least quirky out of them excluding moana. Her quirkiness is an act that disappears by the time of the second song. She just felt like a natural character and nothing really seemed forced with her
Your breakdown of the characters had me in tears as I reflected on Tiana, Milan, belle and Ariel! They all stood for something and truly had something unique about them. It also made me realize how sad I was that ASHA wasn’t like that she didn’t leave me thrilled about my dreams or hopeful about life. I didn’t feel connected to her and I didn’t understand magnífico either.
Now imagine if Wish actually did the emotionally intelligent thing and explored the reason for why some people don’t get their wish granted. That actually would’ve been a message and theme that would be on par with Disney’s past films. Because it’s a complex and difficult lesson that we need to talk to children about.
Tangled was the last good Disney movie because it was new. It wasn't a trope when Rapunzel was adorkable. She was the first one, and it also fit the story of a girl who had grown up so isolated. The art style was new with Tangled too, and then every subsequent Disney "princess" has just been a Rapunzel reskin. Tangled made a formula and Disney hasn't strayed an inch from it since.
I appreciate your level tone and ability to discuss this. You give respect when it's due, and justify your disagreements with their decisions. Regardless of someone's opinion on this topic, I believe there is a great perspective provided by your video in each direction. Great, eye-opening video.
One of the reasons people love Jane Austen is that each of her heroines are so different from each other (though Hollywood tries to make them similar). Making your characters actually unique creates more characters to relate to. Not everyone is “adorkable” or headstrong. Having a variety reaches more people.
@breadandcircuses8127 For a start: Elizabeth Bennett is strong and independent. Emma is fun and a matchmaker. Fanny Price is introverted and reserved. All so different and beloved by different people
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It made sense for Rapunzel and Anna considering how they were basically isolated from people most of their lives and gradually they learned to open up and like being around people.
But Disney keeps overusing that personality trait way too much and need to take a step back and examine their characters.
I miss the soft take-charge characters like Snow White.
Lilo too but only because of her backstory
I will also say that it makes some sense for Mirabel to be awkward as well since she’s the only one in her family without a gift, so she’d obviously feel awkward.
@@apocalypseofplush Also, she's a teenager. Although not every 15 year old girl behaves like Mirabel, I'd say a lot of girls of her age do, so it makes sense. It doesn't mean her personality is not overdone, but still.
I feel like ppl like to pick and choose which characters it makes sense for. I think you can make an argument for any of these characters because there’s nothing inherently wrong with this type of personality. The problem is that Disney is OVERDOING it. It starts to make all these characters blend as one even tho there’s nothing wrong with most of them by themselves.
What Disney needs is a jerk as a main character for once, but someone that is still likeable such as Stitch, Kuzco, or Darkwing Duck.
Oh I love Kuzco
Would be even cooler if they did that with a princess. Entitled jerk but still relatable and likeable.
Darkwing Duck was a jerk?
@@Sebastian-lw5qb Kinda, he became only a superhero for fame and money. He even endangered the mission just in case he can get all the glory.
@@Nutmeg-I totally agree- while she's not really an entitled jerk I would say, I feel like the closest we've ever gotten to that was probably Meg from Hercules. She's sarcastic and not at all like the actual Disney princesses with their more innocent and optimistic nature, yet still charming and kinda relatable with her fears about love which helps keep her very likable to the audience... Too bad she isn't considered a princess nor will Disney likely ever have the balls to ever make one like her though lmao.
Quirkiness went from subverting expectations to becoming the grim norm
Just like any other things that succeeded by standing on their own away from common trends and ironically becomes a common trend itself! It's like a dead meme that became overused by normies, small children and business people.
its comments like these that save time in my day, so I can get back from distractions and rabbit-holing. Like I need to question why a video needs to be 16 minutes long for a one-sentence premise.
It’s not that I have a short attention span, but at some point content needs to be more concise and point driven instead of constant fluff, rambling, speculation, and rants. I think we lost that balance of objectivity to entertainment as soon as yt went monetized.
Now let me get back to calculating my macros for the day and practicing piano.
@@nostgeoffhi-figenius and authentic quirky expression right there, you're right. ❤
That's pretty much the best way to describe it, yeah. It became rather overplayed
Just like every other trope that started out fresh and new but over time over stayed its welcome and eventually becoming overused
Something that annoys me about this 'quirky archetype' is that a lot of older Disney protagonists have been strange or weird relative to their peers - Ariel, Belle, Pocahontas, and even non-princess characters like Lilo, Hercules, or Milo - all characters that is some way are oddballs or 'quirky' in the sense of HAVING QUIRKS. Yet despite all of them sharing that, they are all completely different from each other. The problem with the Quirky Archetype is that it's a contradiction - they're 'weird' but all in the same way.
Well said
We need more outliers like Meirda, Pocahontas, Tiana.
A mature princess would be nice for once havent had one in ages
@@TeaTimeTableEsmeralda was amazing too, she was mature and sly, there aren't many like her character. Another that I really liked was Megara, her sarcasm and realist views were very refreshing.
@@TeaTimeTable I have to respect Elsa because her maturity and sophistication were a contrast for Anna. Her and Tiana were alone among post 2010s princesses. Raya tried but didn't land
Rapunzel made sense to be quirky due to her circumstances and Moana and Mirabel had more to their personalities than being quirky, but Anna and Asha aren't very interesting
Honestly, I would love to see more feisty, badass and headstrong heroines like Jasmine and Esmeralda were.
The "adorkable" feels so overdone at this point.
I think Jasmine is overlooked frequently because of her sexualization--same with Pocahontas. They're great characters, nonetheless.
@@OpticalSorcerer I don't think Jasmine is sexualized, just sexy. Other than the scene where she distracts Jafar, there's no scene where she flaunts her sexuality.
People need to stop being afraid of skin.
@@OpticalSorcerer I watched Aladdin many times since childhood and never thought Jasmine is sexualized. Yep, she's hot in that red outfit, but it was made on purpose. She's badass, independent and open-minded person with gorgeous look
@@vetarlittorf1807 I think it's moreso issues for the culture; in the Islamic culture, Jasmine's outfit would be considered sexualized for a princess, and Aladdin himself was confirmed as being made sexy for female audiences. Plus Jasmine does flaunt herself for "Ali" before telling him to jump off the balcony.
@@grechahikkan1374 It's sexualized in comparison to how she would look in her actual culture.
My two cents is that the things that annoy people about modern disney(twist villians and quirky heros) aren't truely bad on their own, it's just that for some reason, disney likes to keep doing the same thing for multiple movies in a row, which make people tired and burned out on them. I don't know why they feel they need to follow a formula at all. They should just approach each movie as its own thing, bringing completely fresh ideas to each project.
Just think of Asha as the main villain and you have twist villains.
agreed!
Exactly! It's okay to have a movie with a tragic villain. It's okay to have a movie without a villain. It's okay to have a movie with a villain that's bad to the core. A twist villain is also okay. BUT... Don't let it be a trend that there is only one type of villain for a few years because everyone gets bored.
Risks dont equal guaranteed money so they wont do it.
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 not taking risks is not making money.
When Asha did the cheek squishing thing, I found myself rolling my eyes. Adorkable troupes need to stop.
If a character is "Adorkable" is has to feel natural not forced. It feels fake.
There was a point in the king’s song where he did the same exact thing, and I thought, “Is this something people actually do?”
Exactly, for me it felt a little forced, the joke made me uncomfortable and felt exaggerated, she didn't have to do it.
Her face looked so goddamn punchable when I saw that.
I see it in the video, I haven't seen it in the trailers... and I dread to see it in the movie. It's just... it's... what the fuck is this. What am I looking at. It just looks bad. Unfunny and ugly.
A reason why asha is so disappointing to me is because her character is TOLD to us. We don’t see her being generous through interactions we see the queen telling her that. We’re told she’s a good person we’re told how nice and amazing she is but we never really see much. Her interactions with both her family and friends are hollow. The king and her have an interesting dynamic solely because of the king. With previous protagonists you don’t be told what they’re like they show it. We see moana is headstrong based on how she reacts to people we also see how compassionate she is in the conversation with Maui. We see how Anna is naive in her first conversation with Hans we aren’t TOLD she’s naive. We see that mirabel is insecure because the movie communicates the characters feelings to the audience! We never get a scene that reveals more of asha. The whole movie I was waiting for her actual character to show up!
yeah i agree with this 100%. i actually did enjoy the movie (not saying it was a masterpiece) but i do wish we got to see her personality more.
@@m3gstarrr436 it just felt like her personality was so void. Like what was her wish did we ever find out? like it feels like asha is a mouth piece for the message more than a character. Look at this good person trying to make a change but also she has no flaws and is absolutely perfect.
@@lilac3266 literally describe it perfectly. we don’t know anything about her. it almost feels like a mini story of series, like she’s already an established character that we know. but we don’t. i feel like i know magnifico more than her.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5ob it very much felt like they were substituting ashas personality for jokes something I noticed in the trailer but thought would only be a trailer thing
To be fair, I don't think Rapunzel, Moana, and Mirabel are quite as quirky as Anna and Asha, who have the same writer. That said, I'd LOVE more serious female leads!
agreed mirabel and moana especially are so different. Mirabels is only an act for the first few minutes (wears off pretty fast) and moana is only like this when she’s struggling to use a BOAT. like she’s not quirky at all💀
@@lilac3266 Yeah, it'd done so differently for them and never feels tired or trying to be "relateable." That said, more serious leads like Raya, Elsa, and Tiana would also be appreciated!
@@OpticalSorcerer agreed I think variety is good but a lot of the characters mentioned do have depth asha is the only one I feel actually has a void personality entirely
@@lilac3266 I haven't seen "Wish" yet, but it does seem that way. It's a shame, since I think the potential of "Wish" (having a nuanced story about wishes, human Star, using 2D or 3D instead of a clunky hybrid style, maybe NOT writing the songs before the script is done) could've skyrocketed it to $1 billion. Oh well; live and learn!
@@OpticalSorcerer wish is the definition of tell don’t show unfortunately.
If you told me Wish was the first AI generated movie, created from being prompted by all the previous 3D characters, I would have believed you.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@Dora-xi5ob Moana even acknowledges this herself. "You don't need to tell me I've got no clue what I'm doing. I know that. But someone has to do SOMETHING and since no one on my island is willing to go beyond and I'm supposed to be the one in charge after my dad then it is going to have to be me. I'm probably going to fail. But it's better than sitting around waiting for everything to die"
She knows what she is but she's also willing to take initiative no one else will.
@@Dora-xi5ob Asha’s problem is what she literally don’t haves anything besides this quirkiness. Even motivation. Like….people call her selfish but she’s not at all, because everything she does is for others, like there is no even her wish what she fights for, there is no valid reason for her to do what. It worked with Mulan because she literally was saving her father from death, but now Asha fights for her grandpa’s wish to be granted. But here’s a thing…..WE DONT GIVE A SH** ABOUT HIM. We don’t understand why his wish is so important, if she fails literally nothing would change, if she wouldn’t fight everything would be okay. And what makes her absolutely empty, because she don’t haves at least her own selfish motivation to be a character. It’s just a design walking here and there doing what plot needs, we can clearly see it when in beginning she worries about interview very much and then soon she bravely risks her life, after literally nothing happened what would change her. Plot changes her personality for no reason. She’s absolutely empty and nothing proves it more than her “I want” song, because what does she wants? What is the conclusion? On What strong wish does a star reply? …..”to have something more than this”…….something……when in your motivation, there is word “something”…….you have a GIANT problem……
I would love to see more Disney heroines like Megara. Sarcastic and Pessimistic.
I second that
Please yes, but i don't want Disney to touch that character.
it’s funny because if you were to ask most adult women which disney character they relate to the most, Megara would probably be high up on that list. her tragic backstory is unfortunately common for a lot of women dealing with heartbreak but the fact that she comes out stronger in the end is truly inspiring. i miss the days when all Disney movies were actually “family” movies and offered compelling characters for people of every age to resonate with. the only demographic that i could see relating to someone like Asha is girls between the ages of 6-12.
Ariel was the best. The 1989 Ariel. Not the 2023 joke version 😂
The thing is, Meg is not the protagonist of that story? And even within that story, those things are portrayed as signs of something in her that needs fixing. I also have a big soft spot for her, for Hercules in general, but I don't think she represents something we'd actually appreciate Disney going back to.
One difference between Lilo’s quirkiness and that of the newer princesses is that Lilo was bullied and outcast because of her quirks, which is very realistic. It makes her more relatable than any of the recent princesses. I would say the same about Vanellope from Wreck it Ralph
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Totally agree with you. Rarely you can meet a person who considers social awkwardess adorable. Usually people who can't speak in public got bullied in early age and struggle with work in adulthood. If it weren't like this, there wouldn't be so many memes about 'I can't deliver a presentation 'cause I'll faint', as well as courses and self-proclaimed "coaches" who teach people how to speak in public/be independent and successful/move graciously etc.
Lilo and Stitch gets better with age, for all these reasons and more.
I wouldn’t exactly call Lilo “quirky”. She’s an impulsive and violent little kid who is the way she is partly because of trauma and partly because of her already present social awkwardness (and also probably neurodivergence).
@@one-onessadhalf3393 good point. I was just thinking about the video’s verbiage.
I miss the days when they had female characters without the quirky persona.
For example, Captain Amelia from Treasure Planet was a great character who had her own unique personality. She was courageous, sassy, and a competent leader, but she was also willing to crack jokes here and there.
I love her so much. Great video btw❤
Amelia also goes through an arc where she learns that it's okay to ask for help.
Yo shoutout to fucking treasure planet, along with everything you said here
Agree, very underrated movie that I grew loving, glad someone remembers Treasure Planet
She was an awesome character and an adult female to boot!
And She was Straight,Women can be Smart,strong and still can love Men.
Disney forgot that 'quirky' is only one character trait, and an interesting character needs more than that in order to not suck. Rapunzel was quirky but also rebellious, curious, open-minded, and self-sufficient (esp with a skillet). Anna was quirky but also a shut in who probably resorted to her inner creativity to keep her from going completely insane, and she also is devoted, a go-getter, and a little big for her britches. Mirabel was quirky...but also lonely, sensitive, resourceful, encouraging, and the hardest damn worker ever who was brave enough to climb into the walls to search for help for her family. Asha was...quirky and nothing else. She learned nothing, she set off to do something...and she did it. The end. Where's the interesting character arc in that?
I’ve never agreed more with something in my life
You forgot Moana…a lot of people consider her quirky now…
Moana was quirky, but also resourceful. It didn't overtake her personality, as she's more caring of her people. She's quirky, but not as much as the others, if that makes sense
Edit: just for context I love moana and she's quirky but she's also amazing, sorry if that wasn't clear haha😅
@@just_a_silly_weenie008Moana knew what to do, even if that means teaming with a demi-god and chicken to find and return the heart of Tefiti, so then, the sea would be safer once again.
@@YourFeelingsSucks and curious about the world beyond the island
I think this is part of a greater problem with Disney. There is a common saying that “variety is the spice of life” yet Disney never seems to follow it. Whenever they have an idea which works somewhat, it becomes the only thing they do to the point that it becomes stale. They rarely gives us variety and instead give us the same thing over and over to the point that the audience gets sick of it even if they liked it initially
What doesn’t help is that future iterations don’t tend to be as good as how they started
That's the real problem with Disney. They've become derivative. It's not some "Woke Agenda." Whatever that's supposed to mean.
Yeah but if they know pressing this button will get them money, why not hit this button until it stops working? (
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
They dont have enough diversity in terms of viewpoints, styles, opinions, not enough people of different backgrounds, and ideas...they may hire a black writer, an asian writer but it is all drawn from the same ideology...which leads to dull and non creative writing.
@sew_gal7340 if you listen to like anybody working on any creative media these days you get the picture that it's not a problem with a lack of creativity or diversity... mostly just higher ups who are more concerned with money
As much as I didn’t really like raya and the last dragon I liked that she was more of a jaded and cynical protagonist instead of the same adorkable protagonist that we were used to at that point from them
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Honestly, Raya was a decent character. It was Sisu and Namaari being terrible characters, and the narrative forcing Raya to trust Namaari, when the audience have seen REASONS why she shouldn’t have trusted her.
Raya was great, but the plot and moral were just awful
Disney keeps forgetting to make their villains actually have a legitimate claim to their villainy and give them some sort of ambition. Magnifico would honestly wet his pants in the presence of villains like Jafar and Maleficent.
They also don’t seem to think that their heroines don’t need any sort of “flaw” that can’t easily be made to be a strength. Asha’s “flaw” is that she supposedly cares too much but she (and the movie) doesn’t see it as a flaw but as a strength.
Give the villains some ambition and let the protagonist be flawed.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Asha's "flaw" sounds like what people say when they're at a job interview and are asked what their weaknesses are. "My biggest weakness is that I'm too dedicated to my job."
And I have definitely encountered people whose flaw is that they "care too much." They are generally not very nice people.
@@easolinas1233 If you have to brag about how much you care, odds are you can’t be bothered to think about anyone other than yourself.
Maleficent was so evil that she cursed Aurora to fall into a deep slumber because she wasn’t invited to the party. She most likely still would even if she was invited.
Jafar was so power-hungry that he tried to marry Jasmine when he didn’t get the lamp. That man is pure evil incarnate, and he was so fun to watch! (He was also kinda hot, don’t judge me)
Magnifico…..
He’s just a boring, 1 dimensional villain, and we were robbed of a first ever villain couple from Disney, because the woke POCs didn’t want a villain couple. (I’m not joking, that’s what happened. And we were also robbed of the star being a shape-shifting boy Asha falls for)
Disney claims they’re diverse. They’re racially diverse, but not personality diverse in the slightest.
@@t1mburt0nsdandruff I found it hypocritical how the Sultan said that Jafar was old when he’s a little old man himself
I didn’t see that much of a quirkiness when it comes to Moana, for me she was more curious and adventurous with maybe some hints of quirkiness. Mirabel acted a bit weird because she felt different and tried to play it cool and mask her feelings with her behaviour. Wich leads us exactly to what you were talking about. Character can be odd, quirky, funny etc., but there needs to be a reason for that and those treats shouldn’t be the center of their personalities. Why not to make some powerful characters like Esmeralda, Megara, Mulan or Pocahontas? They were strong, feminine, powerful, complicated in a way and just interesting.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5ob Agreed, and it does make somewhat sense that Anna and Rapunzel are quirky, as they were isolated from most of society for their lives
@@MittensZora yes
yeah, it feels weird hearing people say moana is "quirky", i never really saw that with her either
@@Dora-xi5obin general, most if not all Disney princesses have their quirks. And totally spot on with Mirabel and Moana having quirks and not being quirky themselves.
Like you said, Moana is just "quirky" where she is in a situation she dont know how to solve. And Mirabel is that as a genersl mask of her true feelings being left out (seriously most would have realized that once Waiting on a miracle played)
I’ll often see the justification of “uh well, teenagers are flawed, of _course they’re gonna be awkward and be quirky”_
Yeah you know what other flaws teenagers exhibit? Moodiness, temperamental, reactionary, sarcastic, rude, being victim to & engaging in peer pressure/bullying, insecure about ultimately superficial things like social hierarchies and grades
And yet, I have rarely seen any young Disney protagonists post Princess & The Frog that have exhibit this normal and realistic teenage flaws (except _maybe_ w/ Hiro Hamada). I think Disney trying to make their protagonists “adorkable” is their safe bet of having characters with “flaws” who are still safe/endearing/not alienating to its audience members
I'd say Mirabel is a character who exhibits other types of emotions than just being quirky. We see her roll her eyes, be sarcastic, and be irritated by her older sister, very usual teen behavior when a relationship with a family member is strained. But she obviously still cared for Isabela and listened to her when she finally opened up about everything that was weighing on her.
As a teen I want a princess with anxiety (kinda like elsa). I like quirky princesses but we need variety. 😭
Merida from Brave (created by Pixar but technically a Disney film) had those qualities. As a character she was fine, but definitely also showed the shortcomings of the "moody teenager" trope and I even suspect she may even be the reason Disney has shied away from using the archetype since then. For the record, I do think this type of character, done really well is a refreshing alternative. I just think it's much _harder_ to make such a character an appealing main protagonist than the "adorkable" female lead. They usually work better as a supporting character or as a foil to the protagonist. When one is the lead, there needs to be some serious writing chops to keep them from coming off as annoying.
Raya is pretty moody and aggressive
MCU peter parker. He is teenager doing stupid things.
Something I find interesting is that Judy often isn't included in this conversation. I feel this is because despite being in this archetype she feels more natural. Not only does it make sense within the story the writers allow her to break the mold. Like when she proves she can be shrewd when she pries into Nick's criminal history to force him to assist her.
Judy was so much better, like she dreamed of being an important citizen of Zootopia and worked very hard to achieve it.
Even if that means teaming-up with a fox, a being that scared her as a little rabbit.
And Nick was afraid as he thought he would be a scout, but turned out that he was humiliated.
They set their fears asides to work together.
I think it's because her other characteristics far overshadow her quirkiness. The first act of the movie establishes that she's a goal-oriented, optimistic, just, and protective character. These traits are constantly reinforced throughout the movie, which is why any display of quirky, dorky behavior can be compared to that extra dash of pepper you add to your food. Not necessarily needed, but it offers an extra layer of flavor.
I think it's because she isn't a Disney princess.
@@HeartbeatCNUp there with Nala.
Her being in a modern day settling instead of a mythical fairytale land also helps. Remember that the first big movie to have modern relatable slang talking fairytale characters was Shrek, a movie that was *making fun of Disney.* But now every fairytale movie is unironically including slang and people are starting to catch on that it's kind of tonally dissonant when originally, the tonal dissonance was the whole freaking punchline.
What gets me is that Rapunzel and Moana have more than being adorkable and quirky! Rapunzel is creative, she's art-oriented and curious. Moana is raised to be a leader, and she shows that weight of responsibility and the willingness to carry it. Anna and Asha feel more "hehe adorkable ;9", and Mirabel is an in-between. Mirabel makes SENSE though, Mirabel is an outcast and overlooked so her being quirky is understandable. Asha is... eh.
As for Anna, she was isolated for a long time (doesn't help that her sister never talks to her after accidentally hurting her), so that's a reason she's the way she is. I haven't seen Wish but I don't think the movie had a good reason for Asha to be the way she is.
@@Trainboy452 I understand why people say this, but she has staff on hand and she definitely had some kind of lessons as a princess. She was isolated from the entire kingdom yes, but there were people in the castle taking care of her and Elsa--and they had their parents for a comparatively long time (vs Rapunzel) before they died. It'd be more or less like being homeschooled. Her awkwardness is understandable, just not the level of awkwardness (more than Rapunzel who was literally locked away with only one other person?)
Anna could make sense being awkward/quirky since yeah, she had servants, but they're servants, yknow? She could chat to them, but it wouldn't be the same as Elsa, and the servants most likely were tending to the castle. Anna has a reason, maybe not as strong as the others but one nonetheless 😅
I think all of the past characters have a reason. Anna and Rapunzel were isolated, Mirabel is an outcast to her village and her own family, and Moana is mostly "quirky" on the boat. However Asha really doesn't have a set reason that fits into the story.
I wish they'd have some variety with the protagonists. I love quirky characters, but a little variety would be nice. The characters do make sense for being quirky (most) but a short break for some different types would also be appreciated. I'm not saying they should stop, just some more personalities would feel a bit more refreshing yknow 😅
The Tangled show treats Rapunzel's quirks as personality flaws, and shockingly its not just naivite. She can be selfish, manipulative, controlling, overbearing and passive agressive.
In fact, you could say she picked up a lot of Gothel's traits
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
I love tangled the series. And I love Rapunzel in it and her flaws that made me both adore and loathe her at the same time. I love that she had these personality flaws, but I disliked that the series refused to really call her out on it, and instead, the writing often glossed over her faults or somehow validated her even when she wasn't entirely in the right.
@@Passions5555 Yeah putting Eugene and Cassandra in a cell together was a bit too SAW
@@jarrettadams4102 what does SAW stand for in this context?
@@Passions5555 SAW, like the SAW horror film franchise. She kidnapped her friends and forced them to work together on puzzles. That's literally a SAW trap
I kinda feel slighted seeing Rapunzel in there given her state of mind growing up. She wasn't exactly quirky but mentally conditioned to be paranoid but still went into defense mode when Eugene showed up, tied him up and treated him like a threat. If anything, that showed that Rapunzel was very capable but for the wrong reasons, all coming back to her paranoia put into her via Gothelle. Rapunzel had a very fun and interesting character since all she wanted to do was see the world because she HAD been trapped and damn it, you just want to give it to her.
Contrast this to Anna and Asha; Anna feels half baked because as... popular Frozen is both she and Elsa are weak personality wise. Elsa is more of a plot device/'physical representation of (fill in the emotion here)' and it really feels like Anna was made as ditzy as possible not to build on the memory thing but because tgey thought it was an easy thing to contrast Elsa being non-emotional and Anna being hyper emotional but within that there is still a lack of personality between both which causes the lack of relationship between them, NOT Elsa isolating herself.
Asha is a victim of Wish and Disney being so bland that they believe being quirky is a new, empowering trait. Not only that, it's waaaaaay too modern feeling for the setting they present Wish in. Asha feels like she's that one person trying way too hard to be TikTok famous right out of LA than a character that has the point of view of being a Moor in Spain thousands of years ago. The irony of Disney obsessing over diversity yet all their characters come off as, and I hate to say this, 2023 White girls obsessed with the idea of being an influencer as if no other personalities exist.
It's been a pet peeve of mine for the longest, this idea that only ONE personality trait shows strength yet it's always the most superficial borderline obnoxious artificial personality the pick.
You want to know why shows like Sailor Moon resonate after 30 years? Because all the Senshi represent a personality type and despite how mixed it is, there is strength in all of them. Hell, Usagi is quirky and she's also lazy, gluttonous, and can be self centered at times.....but she sees her friends getting hurt and she'll fuck you up. It's the same with Ami being soft spoken and needy yet strong willed and courageous, often times more than Usagi.
Usagi also wasn't needlessly passive aggressive disguised as forwardness and even if she could be petty (cough her relationship with Rei cough) she didn't drag that into how she ruled as Queen and eventually grew up. Usagi is really wholesome as a human mom (fans of the manga will know what I'm talking about) and as Queen she was powerful, just but didn't act like her people were under her or just cogs to her story. A lot of Disney 'heroines' feel that way now. Like they can constantly act like annoying shits and their lives mean more than others or that their plans are the only ones that matter.
It's kinda sad how it's gone down like this, from having fun and charming characters of various personalities to everyone feeling like a wannabe Tiktoker in the worst possible way.
Edit: I know this comment is already too long but on your final point, having story makers that LOOK diverse won't matter if the only stories that are approved still feel the same which is the problem. We're getting endless quirky girls because that's the approved type the collective crews want. As I mentioned with the Sailor Moon analogy, SM shows different personalities but even with your defense of the OG princesses having different personalities, it's not seem as a strength. Despite all the battle cries for diverse stories, they're all going to be boiled down in the most homogenized way because the thoughts of those in charge is that there is only one way that be strong.
Snow White and Cinderella aren't 'strong' because they weren't needlessly snarky, sarcastic and passive aggressive. Those are the 'strong' traits along with oddly out of place 'quirkiness'
Well said! Rapunzel was a very sheltered girl and well, despite her being 18 she's mentally stunted because of her lack of experience in the outside world AND because of her gaslighting mother. I still find her relatable until now.
Ok but why 2023 white girls that want to be influencers so bad like other personalities dont exist? Why only white? Of course its not true and this sounds racist
yes! I always felt that this diversity of Disney is so bland bc they never try to tell different stories with these characters. Like, we have a quirk norwegian teen girl with family problems, a quirky maori teen girl with family problems, a quirky colombian teen girl with family problems and so on... I mean we all know that they're doing diverse characters only for profit and not because disney really care about marginalized groups, but they could at least try and do something interesting like exploring folk stories of other parts of the world that are not western europe
Rapunzel was just really funny, adorable and brave.
Her songs were surprisingly great.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
I loved Rapunzel because she was the first of these types, the original quirky princess, and it was her character. And I also liked Anna with that because just like Rapunzel, she was isolated her whole life, so it makes perfect sense for them to be like that. Maybe the same with Mirabel, but only when she's speaking with Abuela or about the gifts.... And for the rest of them, no...
For Mirabel it works for her as well because she wanted to stand out as much as her family so by making a bright outfit with so many details & acting bubbly, how can you miss her?
From what I've read, Mirabel is either a teen or very young adult. Plus, acting well for her family can explain her. Many teens can act like that, even adults as well, it feels relatable. However, its overused, we need VARIETY 😭
@@just_a_silly_weenie008Mirabel is 15-16 years old, she's the same age as her cousin Camilo. I wouldn't blame her for being weird, her family kinda treats her poorly and she isn't treated the same as the other Madrigals by the village because she has no gift.
@@stxrstruck6755 yeah, I don't blame her either. I understand how her character works, I just wish we would have some variety,yknow? I love quirky characters, but a short break would be nice 😅
I absolutely love Rapunzel, I love the entire scene of her being outside of the tower for the first tile and swinging back and forth between anxiety for her mother and disappointing her, and extreme excitement to be outside and embracing her freedom. That montage always makes me crack up.
I have not seen this newest disney movie yet, and maybe this is just a trope I happen to like, but if I had to guess, I would assume people dislike that Disney decided to turn it into a formula.
It's like, they initially figured out how to give this girl a personality and make them loveable through their enthusiasm and individuality, and instead of going "oh so people like good character writing" they went "oh, so people like it when women are quirky!".
I think that the best word to describe Wish is "generic," but maybe that was intentional, because it's just a bunch of past Disney movies slapped together haphazardly into something "new"
What a disappointing way to celebrate 100 years
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
surprise surprise
pretty much NOTHING is completely “new” anymore
@@Dora-xi5ob
yeah yeah yeah whatever
9:30-10:20 i agree. Snow White & Cinderella were strong female characters because they stayed strong in the face of adversity. That is also the reason why Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame is another very strong female character because she stayed strong despite society & Frollo discriminating against her because she was a gypsy
Hiya! Small note (that you might not care about) “gypsy” is considered an insult to some. Romani might be a better way to describe Esmerelda 💕
no one asked @@FuzaketeSatsugai
@@FuzaketeSatsugai well Frollo kept used the word gypsy, but then again, that is one of the reasons why he is so racist and evil.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5obhow about Luke from Blue Mountain Mystery
I’m just gonna say it, Rapunzel did it first and did it better plus her personality was expanded upon in her own tv series.❤
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
i would love if disney did a female kuzco: starts out selfish and bratty and teaches the value of kindness and empathy. not only does this show that princesses or main female characters are MADE, they aren’t just born perfect but it would be original
I wouldn't say they don't work anymore. The reason Rapunzel, Anna, and Judy Hopps went over so well is they were tempered by their co-lead(s). Rapunzel had Flynn, Hopps had Nick Wilde, and Anna had Kristoph and Elsa. You need the "straight man" trope to off-set the quirkiness. Wish didn't have that.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
To me, Judy doesn’t even fit the “quirky” heroine trope because there are plenty of cops in real who have that friendly attitude
I think Merida from Brave is also a good example of a female character without the generic "quirky" personality who can still be likeable
She's a bad character for kids. A brat who doesn't obey her parents at all.
@@thecensoredmuscle563but it’s fine if she’s male of course
@noorbohamad5796 why would it be fine? A rebellious brat is a rebellious brat.
@@thecensoredmuscle563
can’t you read or what
@@thecensoredmuscle563 she wants INDEPENDENCE FREEDOM RESPECT CONSIDERATION:(to y’know have her very own mother LISTEN TO HER):while being NON-MALE
so you’re bashing demonizing
I think the quirky Disney princess is like a convergent evolution similar to the manic pixie dream girl of romcoms of the 2000's and early 2010's. People liked the exciting energetic nature but begun getting tired of the apparent lack of dimension, until the term lost all positive connotations.
And I think its beginning to see a similar pattern with the quirky Disney princesses--only 10 years later and unrelated development.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
maybe I'm just ageing myself here, but do any of y'all remember way back when seeing Mulan, Belle, Jasmine, Ariel, Megara, heck even Nala as a young girl? they all had their own personalities and motivations but they were strong or intelligent or courageous or adventurous, but could also be naive or jaded or cynical. they felt like real people (or lions) and the men in quite a few of those movies had to learn that they were more than just beauty which was really quite positive messaging for the times. (the Beast learning that love really meant doing what was right for Belle, not for himself? give me more of that pleeeease.)
I almost totally forgot about Mulan because she's such an outlier in terms of not being a love interest or princessy type, but what an amazing female character in the OG animated film!
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Agreed!
I think a reason Disney has quirky adorkable protagonists is because they’re all still teenagers with some childlike elements that can have the demographic audience of mostly children or teenagers relate more to them since they have some funny aspects of them. However there were some moments where I got mad at the protagonist Asha and realized adorkable quirkiness was overused
That's fine. But the problem is that they do it so much that it has become a template.
@@vetarlittorf1807tropes are a tool. The problem is they’ve let themselves get pigeonholed in one direction. If they put more variety and took more risks away from the formula they’d be better off. The problem is investors want known quantities, not risks. Disney needs to be put back in the hands of (good) creatives, not shareholders and bean-counters.
unless these start making morbid dark jokes then very few teens and kids are gonna relate to them and instead think they're cringe
As a teen, some of us act quirky for sure. I'd like a princess with anxiety (as someone who knows people with it) as it could still relate to the audience whilst being a bit more mature. Then we'd get variety a bit more, whilst remaining kinda childlike😅
Exactly, I also think that is why they had those traits fit them and are a bit relatable for me: being youngster but at the same time without losing my inseparable childlike trait
These kind of quirky “relatable” characters NEED another main character and NEED a reason to act like that
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Rapunzel, Mirabel, Anna, and Moana are perfectly fine being quirky tbh
Star got shafted as a main character because he allegedly did too much and made Asha too secondary of a protagonist. They also nerfed the crap out of him.
Disney could really learn from Studio Ghibli. Genuine, pure-hearted but flawed characters that we can relate to and root for, with their own goals and methods of attaining those goals. And they had both boy and girl protagonists, with ages ranging between 5 and 18.
Disney of course already got
Boy AND Girl protagonists I think usually mainly mostly teenagers and/or younger
Studio Ghibli could
really learn from Disney
As long as they don't take too much from “From Up on Poppy Hill” if you catch my drift
Rapunzel and Anna have an excuse, they were isolated and had minimal human interaction. But Asha doesn't suit the personality, her whole appearance has a more regal and mature feeling from her long and purple robes or a feisty and more active princess
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
What I would've liked is if Asha was more of a recluse, not necessarily quirky but more introverted. That would've made sense as to why she talks to her pets, but instead, she has a decent friend group AND talks to her pets? How was she supposed to contrast an extraverted villain like Magnifico if she too is extraverted?
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
For someone living under a narcissist, it’s make sense for Asha to be written differently, not quirky
That’s why she doesn’t really work, but the rest do
Here's how her personality could've been (it's also something I came up with for my rewrite): Asha could've been shy, introverted, a little mature and headstrong but still a little bit of a jokester? Purple is mostly a shy, introverted, tranquil color, a quiet dignity about it as well. Now I don't believe that certain colors align with personality, but seeing as I'm a shy introvert who likes the color purple. Asha could've been a representation for people who are like me or other introverts.
(And I saw another commenter say that the "adorkable protagonist with some childlike elements as a teenager" is used so much because they want kids and teens to relate to them. I'm a teenager, I don't consider myself childlike nor adorkable. Yeah I'm goofy and I have a sense of humor but that's about it. But not every teenager, tween, and kid has the same personality trait. all of us are different)
And her hair covers her face and her clothes are tight; she looks like a black Violet from the Incredibles.
Here's something that Disney is very out of touch on: The fact that most teenagers, many actually, are more mature now than they were 10/15 years ago (I say this as someone who remembers still). The world they grew up in requires them to be mature early because, quite frankly, 60% of American households are shit parents.
The quirkiness is.. fuck. GEt it away from me.
And what's funny is that Disney doesn't even know that teenagers (especially girls) try their hardest to stay away from that word the best we can. No one of today wants to be called "Quirky" EVER@@BrokensoulRider
Quirky is the new Loser basically.@@mysticalteration498
Quirkiness went from being awkward but noble and brave to being the only trait these characters have.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
So Mirabel’s only trait is quirky? What about her being able to connect with her family members and heal them? So what if her personality is “quirky”? Her and the rest before Asha were distinct characters
I want a grumpy Disney princess who is annoyed with everything
Megara from Hercules is the closest to that for right now
@@stinkymrsnow.............. I loved her!!!!!!!!
@@rosegirl3220 same
Haha I know a character who isn't exactly like that but definitely somewhat gives the vibes. :)
I know a lot of those but they aren’t from Disney sadly 😢
You hit on exactly why I’m over the quirky manic pixie Disney princesses - they’re aimed at being relatable to kids, instead of inspiring.
What happened to _women_ like Cinderella (in both the cartoon and the live action), the OG Belle, and the OG Aurora??
Unfortunately, I think they turned both Belle and Aurora into “quirky girls“ in the live action remakes.
But the original Cinderella, Aurora, and Belle were elegant, mature, graceful, down to earth, and poised. They acted like _young adults._ Your adult kids could aspire to be like
I wanted to _be like them_ when I was younger!
I don’t look at the modern adorkable princesses and think “wow, she’s so graceful and mature and grounded, I want to grow up to be like her!” Because they’re painted to be relatable, not inspiring.
I see my teenage self in the modern quirky princesses - and that’s not what I want to “grow up to be.”
They are cute, but they act like girls, not women. And that’s the key difference.
They act like what a lot of the writers wish they could be when they were kids; so in your face but still right for being in your face.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid - Right, and I'd call that regression. Adults wishing they could still be kids isn't inspiring, it's kinda pathetic IMO. I'd personally much rather see today's children be inspired upward, to be strong, mature, graceful, thoughtful adults.
But that's just my opinion.
They even draw them with toddler bodies. The big heads and eyes. I think you are onto something, here. Tiana was the last Princess who felt like an adult (or even just not-a-child.) It made sense for Rapunzel to be stunted in some ways. I am not giving Ana a pass because she still had her parents and the castle staff to socialize her.
@@AstraeaAntiope - RIGHT! Even the design of their bodies. I was interested in inspiring women characters when I was little, and I still am now, as a 24-yr-old woman myself!
The OG Cinderella was probably my favorite.
Not only was she mistreated, but she never ceased to treat others kindly, especially the mouses and birds.
She worked hardly to get to the party herself.
My only complaint is that the fairy godmother took her time to help her and set a limit for that..
But i guess, it's the plot after all.
Mulan was clumsy but knew when to turn that off and be mature in certain situations. Same with jasmine, and sometimes Moana.
It seems as if when the stakes are high and the protagonists are "ha-haing" their way through it, it takes the intensity away.
The reason why mulan is my favorite Disney princess, is that her life was literally on the line every day. There was no room to look cute and act adorable. Her mission was succeeded because she used her hands and fists: not her adorkableness nor her baby voice.
I loved Rapunzel and i love tangled
That character shouldve remained a stand alone. Not a current baseline
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Mulan was only clumsy when it came to being "ladylike" and "desirable", which underlined that that wasn't a role she fit or felt comfortable in and that she was only trying to be to make her family proud. She was very capable and quick witted in practical every day situations. She was also a little clumsy during the first trainings but how would she not when she has to simultaneously juggle training amongst strange men to become a soldier (something she never thought she'd ever be doing) and trying to hide that she's actually a woman. And then she overcame that in the coolest way.
@@JM-bq6ss exactly.
I think Encanto makes a better homage to Disneys 100 years.
Encanto was the last Disney movie I wholeheartedly enjoyed. I quit consuming Disney around the year 2018 but came to check on Encanto because I saw the trailer by chance and the trailer alone told me it was genuinely a good movie. And it was, it really was/is.
After Encanto though Disney went back to its usual crap.
@@psgamer-0199to be fair, Encanto was only 2 years ago and the only movies Disney Animation has only released 2 movies since then
Yes because unlike Wish that followed a generic story, Encanto was a complete subversion of what you’d usually expect from Disney stories. Mirabel never went on a journey to find her gift or realized “you don’t need a gift to be special” it was much more than that
I liked Encanto alot
I feel like a great way to get a quote unquote “relatable to the kids” protagonist is to give them some sort of well, stoicism. Maybe even verging on outright depression. Because how refreshing would it be if your disney protagonist deadpanned and needed to find the well, motivation, to do what the story was asking of them, which could easily be connected to the world and the story they’re trying to tell by lieu of backstory and having to overcome their past and embrace the present.
and once again, Pixar beats Disney to the punch🤣 i completely agree which is why i have such high hopes for Inside Out 2. i think Disney keeps missing the mark when it comes to talking about important topics. Pixar is always the first one to handle darker subjects like death in Soul and now “anxiety” and “ennui” (depression) in Inside Out 2. when Disney finally decides to talk about real topics, it’ll have already been executed perfectly by Pixar.
This is absolutely why I love Princess and The Frog, both Tiana and Lottie are from completely different backgrounds and I love how they show the class differences between the characters. Not to mention Tiana knows her mom worked for Lottie’s dad and didn’t let it affect their relationship. Or how Lottie makes sure Tiana has things going for her (handing her piles of cash, having her cater her party, bringing her to exclusive events with royalty, etc.) Both women have their idea of what they want, but have to undergo completely separate ways to find their dreams and it still doesn’t split them apart in the end. Plus Lottie doesn’t resent Tiana for falling in love with Naveen! It’s literally just perfect, with a great balancing of protagonists against the antagonists (Voodoo Man + Spirits + Lawrence/Mama Odee + firefly Ray/Croc Louis + Naveen).
Not to mention the dog talking for literally one second and it was recognizing Tiana as the frog…
Disney needs to go back to creating character designs that stand out. Leading characters like Quasimodo, Lilo, Stitch, Kuzco, and Megara are so memorable not just because of their great personalities and arcs, but because they have striking and distinct character designs.
these days it feels like disney branding is 50% the samey character models for both main female and male leads, every movie still feels distinct but it's more driven by environmental design now instead of each movie having a distinct art style across the entire world like the 2d animated ones, the only characters that get to be really unique are side characters 😔
I was fine when Disney did the quirky female lead with Tangled and Frozen, but I kinda got bored of it soon after Encanto and Wish (I personally love Moana, so I’m not gonna be too hard on the film for having a typical quirky lead).
Is Moana a quirky lead? She doesn't do many goofy or physical comedy moments herself, she is more of the straight-man while Maui and the ocean and Hehe and whatever are being silly around her. Which I appreciate! I like that she takes her future as a leader seriously, and I like watching her grow into it.
@@AstraeaAntiopeMoana was one of the best, the character never took pride on herself, nor she belittled her friends either.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@YourFeelingsSucks
you mean they got better treatment than they deserve?
@@noorbohamad5796 yes.
I believe the world and Disney needs more heroines with refinement, consistent character development and proper manners, instead of every single character being as mentally immature as possible.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
this!!! i watch some of these and wonder whatever happened to manners and grace? why are those not respected pillars to have anymore? why do we have to have leads that act in such...odd ways?
Yeah. Some people always try to justify it by the never ending "but they're teenagers!!" bs...well guess what, many teens can and are more mature than what most adults seem to think!, not only is it almost offensive to even put such a big demographic all in the same bag, but they're also wasting *so* much potential. Many people have to force themselves to mature earlier for a wide variety of reasons too, so why not use that for a more refreshing and less shallow character and plot?
@@annierminxEXPLAINING it and maybe it wouldn’t be necessary if y’all stop whining moaning and bitching about it so much y’know
Why is it so hard to give female leads in Disney movies traits similar to the old princesses? I loved Aurora and Cinderella and Belle. I get that maybe the "graceful" types were a bit overdone back then, but it's basically what happened with making the recent princesses "quirky." I don't see anything wrong with making future princesses elegant and mellow as long as they build onto that and give them more personality. Even if they gave us more characters like Jasmine and Esmeralda, the point here is that there's more that can be done with female leads that goes beyond beauty and/or dorkiness. It's like Disney only has those two traits in mind for their characters these days. Maybe I just prefer the old movies, but I see nothing wrong with making more "traditional" Disney princesses.
What I WON'T tolerate, though, are more twist villains-
I want bad guys that are actually bad and have dark motives. No more "turns out they're just misunderstood" nonsense.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Missed opportunity with this movie to have two. I can't believe Disney went "nah" to it. It would have been cool!
@@Dora-xi5obFor the love of god read a book or smth I see your comment EVERYWHERE
I miss older style princesses that feel a bit more mellow as well. I know as a child, I much preferred these types of characters because I was always a very gentle and relaxed child myself. I know there are children who would feel a connection to those types even today. It was so easy to find your favorite princess or other character and relate to that specific one. For me, it was Belle, but a lot of the characters today feel too much the same.
Jasmine was cool, strong and kind while still getting across she didn't fully understand what life was like out on the streets and was naive in ways.
Even Aurora being one of the earliest princesses showed how she was sheltered and she had a cute silliness or quirkiness to her by literally dancing and singing with the animals in the forest. She could be bubbly, shy, wary and coy in the little time we spent with her. I need to rewatch some newer films, but even without a ton of screentime, I swear older characters felt more complex and human showing more than their two things being headstrong and quirky.
Tiana felt like they would head in a good direction, but then they made her a frog the whole film, which I still think was a big blunder.
Twist villains are the worst as well! Not sure what Disney has been thinking there as I know a lot of Disney adults LOVE the villains in particular, they always had the best songs and there's a lot of merchandise that sells just for villains. It's been a very weird shift.
@@natalizn1 how else would everyone see my comment? Now read it and agree with me
I love this trope, I would like more male angsty characters like Jim Hopkins.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
It made sense for Rapunzel and Anna to have this personality, their upbringing completely justifies it, I would argue it also makes sense for Mirabel because she's trying to stay positive while dealing with feelings of self-doubt among her family, when it's apropriate I don't think it's a problem to have a heroine with a Quirky personality but I think Disney doesn't know how to use that personality in a proper manner anymore.
Just compare these modern heroines with Mulan or Jane who also had shades of quirkyness, they were super clumsy but it was less about their personality and more about the enviroment they were in.
Jane was a proper British lady who acompanied her father in a journey to a jungle because they are both that passionate about their area of study, when she's not tripping over herself because of trees or animals she comes across as very knowledgeable in her field, her problem is that she hasn't adapted to her enviroment yet but by the end of the movie that changes. Mulan's whole story is that she doesn't know who she's supposed to be, she had a place in society assigned to her and she just can't seem to fit in properly, whenever she tries to fulfill her role something ends up breaking or going up in flames, but from the very beggining we see hints that she has other talents that aren't being recognized by other people because it's not proper for a person with her role in that society, so she tries having a different role both out of self sacrifice and a desire to find her true self, and she's also clumsy in this new area too but just in the beggining, she's pushed to give up but she perseveres and ends up improving.
I'm gonna parrot what ModernGurlz said in her video about this, the quirkiness of these old disney heroines wasn't utilized to make them relatable to the audience, it was utilized to generate tension in their stories, Jane almost dies multiple times cause she doesn't know the jungle, Mulan's failures both as a bride and as a soldier brings social punishments to her and her family and she also runs the risk of dying if she fails as a soldier. Outside of being a byproduct of their upbringing what value does the quirky personality brings to the story of these modern heroines? You can argue that Mirabel's helps add depth to her character and it's a proper reaction to not feeling apreciated by her family so it might guide her arc but the thing is you don't necessarily need a Quirky personality for all that, Cinderella also had a horrible family situation and she didn't dealt with that using quirkiness, she used optimism and also sassiness whenever she could and she was the oposite of clumsy in her day to day. They could have given Mirabel another personality but they chose to do another Quirky heroine cause they think it's important that the audience thinks the heroine is funny and adorable, cause that means we like and relate to them I guess.
I know the Quirky personality was a response to the criticism that old Disney heroines were too perfect and that sets too high a bar for real girls to aspire to (again, see Cinderella's example, she endured so much with such grace) but I think Disney simply goes too far and making every heroine have the same personality is also bad for real girls cause it sends the message that all girls are all the same or that they have to act this way in order to get their happy ending. Variety is the name of the game, give me no-nonsense capable girls like Tiana, give me confident and sarcastic girls like Meg, give me optimistic and romantic girls like Snow White and Cinderella, they've done it so well in the past, there's no need to copy and paste like this when we had so much variety before.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
@@Dora-xi5ob Honestly I think Disney has done this before, it just wasn't so blatant before. I would say Ariel and Bella are also quiky characters but not of the "adorkable" variety, Ariel and Bella had hobbies and interests that put them at odds with the world around them and advanced their character arcs or (again) served to create tension in their stories. Beauty and The Beast had a whole song number where the villagers said Bella weirded them out because of her interests and just her way of being, which caused Belle to feel isolated and pushed her to dream of better things and of having someone to understand her for who she is. Ariel was the only mermaid who looked fondly towards the things from the surface and this interest culminated in her meeting Eric, when her father finds everything out it causes a rift between them so wide that Ursula has room to come in and convince her to do something she would never do otherwise and Ariel ends up going even farther away from her family.
Bella was never clumsy though, she was always shown to be capable in the things she has experience with, it's only when wolves or things like that come into question that she needs help. Similarly Ariel is only ever clumsy in properly dangerous situations or when she's out of her element (heh), like her exploring the sunken ship and learning how humans live. Their quirkiness was used to make the characters relatable and endearing, I think in Bella's case it was just that, but with Ariel I don't know how relatable brushing your hair with fork is to the audience. (I have no doubt many children started doing that after seeing the movie though)
When you compare the way the quirkiness of these characters was integrated in the story with the way the quirkiness of Disney princesses in the last years like Moana and Mirabel was integrated in their stories it feels a bit... not out of place but maybe underwhelming? Like all these new heroines do with their personality is be clumsy and say funny things, even with full blown quirky characters like Ariel she wasn't quipping or saying funny one liners all the time, the funny things she said was specific to how she viewed things from the human world. I do agree Asha is what made many people realize Disney has a problem, but hey the first step to fixing a problem is recognizing you have one, I don't think these new heroines are bad characters, I just would like to see more variety in girl's personalities again.
OG Cinderella a has sassy queen..go watch again!!
Honestly, ever since the "adorkable" thing was pointed out, I can't stop noticing it! It worked well for Rapunzel, Anna and Mirabel and made sense given their stories of isolation. But characters like Moana and especially Raya should probably be more serious given their journeys.
I agree that it's been overdone, I think I'd like to see something different for their next Princess. Even Rapunzel started to grow out of her "adorkableness" in TTS.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Raya isn’t even eligible to be “adorkable”. Just because she has a few scenes doesn’t suddenly make her unserious
Quirkniness is okay, just as long as it's not done in overkill
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
@@Dora-xi5obI find it fascinating that of out those examples, it’s just the poc characters that have no personality other than being poc.
@@PossibleBatso I guess that Mirabel doesn’t really count as PoC at all according to you?
Mulan not only shines with her personality, the film itself puts the story ABOVE the disney formular. It stops being a disney "musical" the second they arrived at the battlefield to properly show the horrors of war and to honor the theme of the story. The adorkable trope has been run to the ground by now, i am so tired of it
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
@@Dora-xi5obnot saying you’re completely wrong or whatever I guess I’m just curious if maybe you got whatever else to add
Disney should quite literally bring in people ages 10-18 and just ask them questions about their personality. Maybe that's how they can bring in different types of personalities because I don't think they know how to anymore, plus they can get ideas from little kids. (Because let's be honest, little kids have tons of ideas way better than Disney at this point)
Not to mention kids, a lot of them, are actually not happy with the quirky mindset. Most kids hate it. XD
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@@Dora-xi5obDid you need to Control V that exact paragraph under every comment with double-digit likes?
as great of an idea that is, i don’t think lack of ideas is the problem. i’m sure Disney has a ton of other ideas for characters and movies, but they’re going to continue to play it safe until it’s no longer lining their pockets. thankfully people are just now starting to catch on and Disney has seen a hit in their box office performance, but it could be a while before we see anything of quality from this studio. the idea that Disney lacks direction and creativity while sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars doesn’t really hold up. their priorities go where the money goes, so they’ll continue to focus all their efforts on shitty live action remakes, Frozen sequels and the MCU. it’s the unfortunate reality. Disney probably has dozens of talented artists and writers who are just dying to share their ideas and create something great, but if those ideas don’t translate to an easy cash-grab, they’re probably sent to collect dust with all the other archived projects.
@@theleftfootedsultan they also did it like 4 times in ONE comments thread as well...
At the end you state exactly why I hate a lot of modern movie trends. People have taken the "It's not that deep" way too far and we stopped criticizing movies properly. Disney saw this and it gave them no incentive to continue to try hard. I also think Disney being allowed to own so many IPs contributed as well because they became the only hub for entertainment.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@@Dora-xi5obWhy are you spamming this everywhere? You're copy pasting this on every single comment it's weird
@@jirarara669 ok? My point still stands
@Dora-xi5ob Yeah so stop with the spamming. Trust me WE GET THE POINT
I think people nowadays are far more critical than ever over media, sometimes it can be annoying. There's nothing wrong to be critical but some takes are a reach
Every SpongeBob needs a Squidward.
Comedy and tragedy go hand in hand because they empower and balance each other.
With no comedy, the emotional weight is crushing but with no tragedy there are no stakes. Disconnection is the result of ether extreme.
Life is highs and lows- a straight line is death.
Another reason Lilo works the most as the “quirky, adorkable” protagonist is because she’s 6. Six year olds are quirky and adorkable by nature, but they’re also ferocious when angered or hate-filled
The point of quirky characterization is to distinguish the character from others in creative ways. Quirky by this point has lost its true meaning if it's just being the norm of almost EVERY modern disney character by this point. It makes them just blend in with the rest.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Mirabel and Rapunzel are very much their own distinct characters
Oh sure apparently NONE
stand out in THEIR OWN environment/s apparently
Something I've also noticed is that since Moana, they haven't really done any lead romances-
Which I get, you don't always need to have a relationship-
But ever since Flynn and Rapunzel, I've been longing to see another deep relationship :(
As a sucker for romance, truly devastating to me-
you don’t always need to
NOT have a relationship
@@noorbohamad5796 right, and depicting healthy and loving relationships is actually a good thing 🥺
That’s so true I love romance Disney movies 😢
@@madmouse1016
people who’ve been hospitalized exist y’know including myself:(btw no I’m not really trying to seek pity just FYI):and I honestly personally find the word “healthy” to make little to no sense:(just me personally so it would seem):when it comes to relationships of course I never actually even tried to ever even imply that loving relationships aren’t desirable they CLEARLY ARE DESIRABLE DUH so whatever I guess
@@AnimalHeartedTV
some sound like they
love to hate romance
What these characters lack are something to bounce off of their personalities. Nothing challenges these characters on a deeper level other than having it be a shallow good vs evil conflict. What worked about previous examples was because the quirky girls had a character foil to bounce off of (ex. Rapanzel has Flynn to push her to become more rebellious and self-aware, Anna had Kristoff and Elsa to challenge her beliefs). None of that is here and Asha is a worst character because of this. She’s the worst kind of character writing where she’s flat *and* static.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Moana had Maui, her grandma, her dad, her mom, and even Te Ka/Te Fiti (in a way) to bounce off, while Mirabel had her sisters, cousins, Abuela, and Bruno. From what I've seen, Asha doesn't have that.
Diseny nowadays : form over function.
I was really scared this was going to be the case with Maribell too. Quirky for the sake of the trends, but they made it fit into her character by having it be a natural response to how she is the odd one out in her family. Her tendency to be upbeat and moments of awkwardness result from overcompensating for not having a gift like the rest of her family and her wanting so desperately to fit in and fulfill a purpose within the family. It worked with Maribell because they never overdid it for the sake of jokes or being so "#relatabel".
One of the most important moments for grounding her character as a genuine person was the scene where she talks to her cousin underneath the bed. She's there to cheer him up but she does so showing real empathy and vulnerability.
This is what seems to lack in Wish. Ajah(?) what's her name's personality was tacked on instead letting it be part of the bigger story.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
@Dora-xi5ob Asha has the unfortunate circumstances that her movie as a whole is lacking in every way. Many of the modern Disney princess and their movies have been critiqued in one area or another for everything Wish is getting bashed for.
Sadly, Asha is going to get the most negative attention because it's come to a point where it just can't be overlooked anymore for many. I often forget Raya's movie exists, but her movie was pretty terrible half the time. I think the reason why it gets more of a pass is because it did try to do something different or because people forget about it. While Raya doesn't fall into the adorkable trend, the plot and themes of the movie were just a mess. Raya could've been the next Mulan, but the writing just wasn't there in the story it oversimplified its message to an insulting degree to what was otherwise visually and conceptually a pretty cool film.
This kind of writing flaw also seems present in Frozen 2, where the message got convoluted yet oversimplified, but even Frozen two had its good character moments and music.
Wish just doesn't have anything to redeem it in the eyes of the audience, the music is generic, the jokes don't hit, and the characters aren't anything more than just passively likable. And that's what's going to make a lot of people focus on all the negative aspects a lot more than any of the previous entries, even if they are guilty of many of the same flaws.
Well, they did a decent twist villain in Wish, I would not have guessed Asha was the villain of the story.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this💀
@@Dora-xi5ob i know im super late but plis chill with the copy pasting
Rapunzel definitely worked
What era we in Disney? It doesn’t feel like the revival anymore.
I have the impression that we have the third era of the Dark Ages, the first one was in the 70-80s, the second one in the 00s. The third one was in the 2020s.
@@saskia3691i hope i ends. The Dark age, not Disney, but the latter doesn't sound so bad either
@@saskia3691so the post-revival era I guess?
If I right the revival era was from 2008-2022
And the Post-revival is from 2023-now
@@saskia3691so it’s not still 2020s right now gotcha
I don't want quirky. I want a traditional, soft, maybe introvert princess again. Like Aurora for example. Or Belle.
Same
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Asha's design was so coded to be elegant, idk it just felt that way, maybe it was her long hair and her purple dress??
When I saw their Wish poster and I was like, oh finally some elegant princess, but they want it to sell the adorkable more???
I feel like for Mirabelle, a large amount of her quirky personality, does actually make sense in the story. She’s the only one who doesn’t have a magical gift, so she basically over-compensates by being super bubbly and fun. Sort of in hopes that that will make her interesting enough that the village people won’t care that she doesn’t have magic. And she becomes more serious as the movie goes on because her being liked becomes so much less important to her.
I'd like to see a princess like Esmeralda! Strong, a rebel, and maybe a little scandalous, but is very kind and empathetic!
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Yes! I miss Esmerelda
I love Esmerelda too. I feel like Asha being more like her would fit the story better
Wish has that "made by committee" feel to it. And it shows.
Merida from Brave is my favourite Disney character. I really like her personality and she’s like no other princess (maybe Mulan but they have their differences)
What's funny is she's often written off because a lot of people didn't like Brave for some reason. It had no real villain, though the protag could easily be also seen as the antagonist because she CAUSED THE ISSUES trying to prove that she does not need a husband. She goes to try and fix it, and along the way, learn a lot from her mother as a bear when she did not want to learn it at all originally. She's the best case-study for modern feminism, yet movie bad. Somehow.
@@BrokensoulRider yep I agree with your points. I genuinely can’t wrap my head around the hate for it
@@MonsterMashed The marketing for it was kind of misleading -- seemed to hint at more of a dark fantasy epic quest film when it turned out to be more of a light-hearted, slapstick adventure movie.
This could make for an interesting storyline for someone like Lola Bunny: she's been everything from a Sex Symbol, Damsel in Distress, a Tomboy, A Mary Sue, a High Class Elite, a Perfume Expert, Obsessive, A Stalker, a Chef, etc. She's so unsure about what her role as a Looney Toon is and feels she doesn't fit in that she doesn't realize that unlike the other characters she can experiment and try new things whereas the others would feel out of place.
Lola Bunny having an identity crisis sounds like a funny and interesting plot tbh
“Mary Sue” = over hated capable badass non-male character you’re welcome
@@noorbohamad5796 I was referring to Lola having an Identity Crisis character archetype.
I feel like Rapunzel is the only protagonist where her personality actually works unlike the other so quirky girls
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
The quirky princess main character isn't the problem with this film as much as it is the lack of great supporting characters that have been there in previous films. Not only that, but let's not forget who voiced Rapunzel and Anna, Mandy Moore and Kristen Bell, two of the most charming, quirky actresses of our time. What makes them both so wonderful really shines through in their voice acting for these two characters. The thing with Miranda is she's really, really young taking on a huge task and trying to act like she is adult enough to handle it when she knows deep inside that she's in way over her head. Her quirkiness is a child trying to prove to herself and everyone else that she's adult enough to take on the challenges that are waiting for her.
What about a princess that's actually the villain (not like Elsa) who slowly learns her lesson?
Traits: like personality traits that some kids learn to outgrow/are taught out of like selfishness etc. Can even do this with a Princess and the Pea adaption
I just realised Brave kind of does this and I think the princess was good and the set up it's just the music wasn't there (which is something that's a draw for Disney and more could have happened story wise)
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀.
Brave is a really good example of this! i think Disney could really perfect this formula if they show us a bit of a backstory for why our protagonist is the way she is. something I felt was lacking in Brave was the character set-up. has Merida always been this way? is she this way solely because of her mom? or is it the societal expectations placed on her? these are all questions id love to have answered in a movie like Brave. i think the mother/daughter dynamic can make for a very compelling story but i wish Pixar went for it a bit more. i think a more in-depth backstory would make the protagonist a lot more real and likeable, kind of like Mei’s mom in Turning Red. i know the whole “generational trauma” plot is getting a bit old with Disney but i honestly don’t think they’ve fully explored the complexities of that topic yet.
Let's see: Anna was left with being adorkable or peculiar because she was isolated and without knowledge of how to socialize, which made her nice; the same with Rapunzel.. but that didn't suit Asha. At least Rapunzel wasn't too, but in Asha maybe was overused the concept . It also suited Mirabel, since being one made her not fit in with her family and they saw her quirkiness and clumsiness as a disability to do things perfectly.. but the sad is at the same time that Anna, Rapunzel and Mirabel were peculiar it was also because they were lonely by their circumstances: Mirabel seemed to have no friends apart from Casita; Anna, her only friend was Elsa; and Rapunzel only had Pascal
I think I miss heroines like Cinderella, Bella, Tiana and Mulan
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀
Rapunzel was the last quirky one that worked fully for me. Loved her
Btw I always felt like an alien, failed at understanding social cues, had hyprfixation interests, my quirkiness actually caused issues and Lilo was the first character I really felt was made FOR ME. It’s the reason i head canon she’s autistic
Honestly, ''Wish'', to me, feels like a series on Disney Junior, like ''Sofia the First'' or ''Elena of Avalor''. I don't know why, I just feel like it.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
At least Elena of Ávalor gave a crap about the culture they were representing. Wish couldn't even use the right dialect for the little Spanish there was. Context clues tell us this movie takes place in Andalucia but they're using the American dialect? It would make more sense to be using the Andalucian dialect but there's no seseo or lack of leísmo here here.
Something very interesting is that the storyboards for the original version of Wish had Asha as a pretty different character. She was a goal-oriented, kinda stoic and direct-to-a-fault type of person. They most likely added that quirkiness after Starboy became the plushie, so she would be more light-hearted. Not that it was a particularly good idea.
rapunzel should never be put in the same box as asha and anna. rapunzel's quirkiness was so well done and actually funny. anna and asha are just annoying man
If I were to edit the film here’s what I’d do:
1. Give Asha a real personality & detailed back story
2. Give the audience a chance to know Asha’s father & why his wish is so important to her. When Asha is being interviewed by the King, he mentions knowing her father….that idea could’ve been fleshed out to add meaning to the plot. What was the King’s relationship with the Asha’s father? Does it contribute to the King’s motives? Does it explain why the King trusted Asha so quickly to see his Wish Lair? 👑
3. Delete the useless side characters so that there’s 2-3 instead of 7. Give those 2-3 characters unique personalities/wishes/relevant side plots.
4. Add more world building and explain the lifestyle of Rosas townspeople’s 🌹
5. Give Asha a Prince so she has another main character to bounce her personality off of (have interesting interactions that show you their personalities/emotions/values.) ❤**Plus, I want to see romance again. Whimsical/innocent romance is part of what makes Disney films so memorable.
6. Give Asha outfit changes/have a scene with her braids in a different style 🥻
7. Either do all 2-D OR all 3-D in a different art style than we’ve seen in the last few Disney films.
8. Don’t let the Goat talk
9. Tell the audience more about the King and Queen’s relationship. I enjoyed the concept of her choosing to leave him to support Asha. If thought out, the King & Queen could’ve had a very intriguing secondary plot addressing adult themes. This would’ve made the movie a “family film” rather than a cheap kids movie. 🎥
"Lets hope that disney changes for the better due to Wish's failure."
They wont. Theyre more scared of being called out on not being the most inclusive and accepting film makers so instead of making different movies based on different cultures, they just make a dirty sink movie of inclusive concepts while not making any risky stories or artistic choices.
Just inoffensive adorkable characters of a variety of cultures in a bland and safe story.
They've been having nothing but failures at the box office for a while now. They know they are in hot water and they came up with Wish.
I think it's clear they don't care they are realising mid to vad content. I don't know what it'll tale for Disney to trully start fixing things and at this point I don't care.
I can only hope people, consumers will stop wasting their eyes, ears, time, and money in this brand because it stopped being good a very long time ago. And I repeat, they have zero interesting in changing their ways. It's been shown again and again.
And they treat inclusion as a comercial thing instead of embracing different cultures and actually make a thing with it,
Jack Sparrow is a way better quirky character than Asha. He has traits that make him quirky and likable.
@@mane53017coco encanto moana oh well whatever
@@psgamer-0199y’all of course gonna gotta whine moan bitch bleat hate bash Disney no matter what Disney did/does
They need to take more hits in order to get their act together.
It's hard to tell if Asha doesn't work because of the tiredness of the trope, or if she doesn't work because everything in the movie around her also doesn't work.
I can understand some characters being quirky or adorkable because it matches the experiences they lived.
Rapunzel was isolated for 18 years and only started having social interactions way passed when people normally get that experience. She was the first adorkable Princess and it worked. She had many additional lovable qualities like her determination and sense of adventure.
Anna was similar. Not as much isolation as Rapunzel but never interacted with anyone other than adult servants who wouldn't have been able to match her socialization needs.
Mirabel works as she's an outcast from her family. She's the "weirdo" but she tries to fit in with no avail. Her and Bruno act pretty similar, awkward and out of place but you're able to conect to them since a lot of people can relate to their experiences.
I don't know much about Moana and I have not seen Wish so no opinion on those..
I love these characters, they make wonderful characters in their story but I would love to see more diverse personalities going forward. There is so much you can make.
Fun fact: Wish was supposed to be a love story and the star was supposed to be humanoid and the love interest... We were robbed imo.
It’s the Tony Stark issue. Tony was a breath of fresh air, a very unique hero with a signature snarky/ sarcastic way of delivering every piece of dialogue, throwing witty one liners constantly and we loved him for it.
Then they applied his personality to everyone and it became tedious.
Oh so who and/or
what’s really even meant
here exactly by “everyone”?
Thank you for talking about Lilo and Nani. They ring true to me as people more than just about any other characters.
I want to see an arrogant hero that gets humbled and (shocker) changes as the story goes on. Like they are high on life kusco but a princess. But nah that can never happen.
it's kinda weird that anna isn't book smart considering she got nothing to do pretty much her whole life
This is why the classic Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty are my role model. I aspire to act like them as an elegant but strong princess.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
This is a really valid point that I'd never thought about or noticed:
The original Disney heroes weren't quirky, their sidekicks and surroundings added the quirkiness.
Thank you for your insightfulness!
we need more characters like Mulan, she was so badass and such an awesome character, we need princesses that kids can look at and go "I wanna be like her when I grow up" instead of just laughing at how quirky and weird they are
Not every mf will go to war
it worked for Rapunzel & Anna as they were very socially isolated
Moana and Asha however have no reason to be doing all that 💀
I was expecting Moana to have more of a personality like Pocahontas or Esmeralda, considering the setting of her story. On the other hand, I was expecting Asha to have a personality that is a combination of Snow White and Ariel's. Disney really needs to stop with this adorkable personality.
Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
@@Wizard608 Rapunzel=naive. Anna is an extrovert as opposed to her introverted sister. Mirabel tries her best to be seen/she is just a very jolly person to hide her isolation. Moana’s “quirks” make her an entertaining character since the whole movie revolves around her and Maui+she was a noob as sailing. They are perfectly fine because their quirkiness fits their characters, but I do recognize this quirky trope with Asha. And besides, it wasn’t until Asha that we realized this; no need to suddenly label every modern heroine as “adorkable”. Despite sharing a similar personality, they are very much their own characters with different motivations. But, yes, they could have done something different for Asha. Mirabel and Moana had their “quirks”, but not like this 💀 .
@@Dora-xi5ob the other personalities of the heroines after Anna felt like carbon copies
@@Dora-xi5ob agreed, honestly mirabel didn’t really cross my mind, I wasn’t really annoyed by her, just felt sorry for her
Here i come defending Mirabel: IMO she's the QUIRKIEST Disney princess but she is allowed to and the reason why its because of her story. She has a reason to behave that way. Shes an ostracized child, a bad omen and the black sheep of the family that has to hold a standard that's quite literally impossible for her to archieve. The Madrigals are expected to be perfect and Mirabel is always getting in the way of others. She has been suffering ever since the candle didnt gave her a door, she lives in the nursery that she has to share with Antonio, she doesnt even have her own personal room. She constantly overcompensates for the fact she does not have a gift, her own sister calls her out on that in the movie. When she sings about wishing for a Miracle she shows that it's just a facade to hide her pain. She has self esteem issues and constantly tries too hard to be useful, and fails. She is a quirky character done right.
I would say she’s actually the least quirky out of them excluding moana. Her quirkiness is an act that disappears by the time of the second song. She just felt like a natural character and nothing really seemed forced with her
@@lilac3266
so you’re saying Moana’s
very quirky or not or what
@@noorbohamad5796 I said least quirky except moana. Moanas not quirky and neither is mirabel really
Your breakdown of the characters had me in tears as I reflected on Tiana, Milan, belle and Ariel! They all stood for something and truly had something unique about them. It also made me realize how sad I was that ASHA wasn’t like that she didn’t leave me thrilled about my dreams or hopeful about life. I didn’t feel connected to her and I didn’t understand magnífico either.
Now imagine if Wish actually did the emotionally intelligent thing and explored the reason for why some people don’t get their wish granted. That actually would’ve been a message and theme that would be on par with Disney’s past films. Because it’s a complex and difficult lesson that we need to talk to children about.
Quirky only works for Rapunzel
Tangled was the last good Disney movie because it was new. It wasn't a trope when Rapunzel was adorkable. She was the first one, and it also fit the story of a girl who had grown up so isolated. The art style was new with Tangled too, and then every subsequent Disney "princess" has just been a Rapunzel reskin. Tangled made a formula and Disney hasn't strayed an inch from it since.
I appreciate your level tone and ability to discuss this. You give respect when it's due, and justify your disagreements with their decisions. Regardless of someone's opinion on this topic, I believe there is a great perspective provided by your video in each direction. Great, eye-opening video.
One of the reasons people love Jane Austen is that each of her heroines are so different from each other (though Hollywood tries to make them similar). Making your characters actually unique creates more characters to relate to. Not everyone is “adorkable” or headstrong. Having a variety reaches more people.
@breadandcircuses8127 For a start: Elizabeth Bennett is strong and independent. Emma is fun and a matchmaker. Fanny Price is introverted and reserved. All so different and beloved by different people