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Talk about the halo effect! Have you become enlightened?
Just like those medieval paintings of angels, right?
I am a GIS Coordinator on the county level. I send updates to Google for new roads and addresses. Tesla's have not been on every road in the country as of yet and obviously have not been to every address in the country. This would be an add on to Google's GIS data, it could replace street view and improve which lanes to be in but keeping updated data on new constructions and new roads is not something that Tesla has shown to me the mechanisms to take on right now. Selling the camera footage to Google is the better way to go here. This is a wholly different industry than just driving around and collecting data.
What about Tesla + Starlink version with camera
John has a halo like medieval religious paintings
I find it distracting
You're right. I live in Georgia, and when I'm driving on the I-85 freeway, the speed limit suddenly shows as 40 mph on the Tesla screen. The car either slows down or ignores the speed limit and keeps driving. This is a real problem and needs to be fixed quickly. The speed limit is 70 mph, so why does it suddenly show 40 mph out of nowhere? This is an issue.
Starlink satellites should map as well. Combined with Tesla. Unstoppable.
How would that work? Starlink transmits data. It has no visual sighting ability built in.
@@vermontsownboy6957 Starlink actually have engineering cameras as illustrated when they showed images of the last solar eclipse.
@@vermontsownboy6957 They have camera and they are looking at you!
I've been having inconsistent speed limit issues with v12.3.6. On my regular drive to the gym, it goes from 25MPH to 35. About one out of 5 times the car decides the new speed limit is 15. Today for the first time in another area, it changed the speed limit from 35 to 5. Switching map data would be a big plus.
I experience that same thing. Very random and
inconsistent. I have seen slow downs to 10 mph on 65 roads for about 200 yards.
Video idea: John a year or two ago you did a list of top 20 things needing to be fixed in FSD. I'd love to see a video comparing today to that list, to see how far we've come and what remains.😃
Tesla maps based on a two-million-car fleet? That's a wonderful idea! I've been waiting three years for my private driveway to be mapped; maybe it will happen soon.
I just got that 5min ago. I just clicked about that possible scenario. With all the cars, all the camera, all the times, + AI, it can built the most complet 3D mapping of the whole world. It will be nice very soon !!!
My Y drives into my dirt driveway...but doesn't back into parking spot in front of garage for the easy charge.
I live in a mountainous area with truck speed limit signs meant only for trucks. My Tesla slows to the truck speed limit every time. It’s extremely annoying.
During the "FSD all user beta" I had a similar issue. A local road is Rte 25. Sign is Black and White and has only a big "25" on it. When I pass it, FSD shifts the speed limit from 40mph to 25mph. It was very annoying and a big red flag that it was not ready for prime time.
You're lucky. My FSD reads the "Route 5" sign and makes THAT the speed limit every time it sees "Route 5", which is A LOT. Talk about annoying!
THIS
@@vermontsownboy6957 FSDs interpretation of the "Route 830" sign could prove to be interesting.
@@roncolvin4302 just don’t have your head out the window when you pass a warp 9 sign.
Love the halo around your head. Feet of Clay?
😂
When I find problems with google Maps, I report it. The changes often go into effect soon after. The biggest problem I find is closed businesses.
Businesses are just closing so fast in this economy it's impossible to keep up.
Google has addresses - like all of the ones I have ever tried. Having the streets is fine, but without addresses it is useless, okay, not useless but crippled.
Yep, and Google also scanned your home wireless network, and bought name and address files so they know who is searching online - so they can sell personal and online browsing data for more.
My model y is AWFUL at updating speed signs. On a recent trip the speed limit changed from 55 mph to 65 mph. I counted at least eight speed signs over the next ten miles or so and the Model Y never picked up on the speed limit change. This has been a recurring problem for me for the past year. I scheduled a session at the local Service Center to debug and check camera calibration. The Service Center canceled my appointment and said this was a known problem that would be addressed in a future update. On road trips I use Waze (owned by Google) in conjunction with the Tesla Navigation. Waze nails the speed limit changes every time and is far more dependable than the Tesla seeing and updating the speed limits.
I tell my car what speed to go. But I am old school, and, just old... so to me this is OK.
Tesla is literally beating Waymo at HD maps
I am indeed curious why Tesla does not use its fleet to generate more accurate maps. It sees it would be am execelent solution.
Once robotaxi is in place, the cars could be directed to drive through routes that would capture all streets and locations that were not captured previously.
I think you're overestimating the geographical Tesla coverage. There are still many places that have never seen a Tesla.
To replace Google Maps, it has to have a coverage close to 100% so that navigation works from any point to anywhere.
That is almost impossible without satellite data.
A hybrid solution would be possible but could make path planning very painful and has overall worse performance than just gmaps.
Can't they use Openstreetmap as a backup?
If only there was a company who could design and launch a fleet of satellites to map all the roads from space.....or maybe as an add on to their next gen low earth orbit communications mega constellation.😀
@benp7328 SpaceX could do that, but if you're thinking about Starlink satellites, they are not capable of doing that.
Google Maps itself often has incorrect speed limits…
Great content and thanks for covering this!!
Waze crowd sourced their maps. Allowed users to edit.
and now google bought waze... wonder why? Because google will pay to stop their competitors. Will be interesting to see what happens of Tesla pulls this off.
St. Know-it-All?
I noticed that.
i would like someone to ask Elon or the team about this.
I am in property management. Google will sometimes be a year behind adding streets of a new subdivision in which everything is already built: houses, curbs and lawns, etc. It’s anyone’s guess whether Apple or Google will be the first to add new streets to their maps. Google does have a feature in which you can notify them of map changes, but it does not seem to have anyone answering on the other end.
Why can't we have Waze?
Google bought and incorporated Waze long time ago. So the maps data is the same on both.
@@dmitri3889 😥
Tesla could have almost instant map updates of construction work, changes in street signs, temporary closed lanes etc.
They could even sell this data to TomTom, Garmin, Apple and Google.
There are several places in my regular navigations where FSD will completely miss turns or not recognize newly opened road even though I take it on a daily.
The entrance to my apartment development was moved over 150 feet more than 5 or 6 years ago to get it farther from a county highway intersection but Google maps and of course Tesla navigation still shows the old entrance which makes it impossible to simply navigate or use FSD to make it home
Great video, seems like a good theory to me. This could noticeably improve FSD.
Looking forward to trying out V12.4.3. V12.3 is okay, but obviously a work in progress. I use it on the highway when traffic is light and on back roads where the road isn't complicated.
10:00 use google earth. Track cars on the road. Record the co-ordinance of the road. Like the old map maker/markers used to do with pen and paper and very precise measurements.
How detailed is the information surrounding the roads? Do they get house or apartment numbers? Do they get business names? What about up to date information on road conditions, construction or even traffic? Can they use this data to create a digital twin of the areas they get camera coverage on and what could be done with that data? Privacy issues could abound but there could be a lot of potential advantages to it too. Imagine being able to feed a town manager or highway maintenance organization real time data on pot holes or obstructions.
love the halo around your head dr! ( looking like a Russian orthodox icon )
Their map story is more complicated than google maps. There where main roads here Tesla would not navigate through for a long time (old streets, hundreds of years old, now main roads for ages too). Google showed them, every map I looked at had no issue navigating them. It took Tesla years to fix that.
But in general they can of course take OSM and basically update them themselves (kind of, some markers to put into the NN could be enough initially)
It is a good video; however, there are issues with this.
What would happen to the first vehicle to travel this change Road? Fail to navigate?
The only way is real-time road infrastructure information systems like reading the lane markers and road information in real-time!
The car does that, but planning paths greatly benefits from maps.
Then there is still the problem of temporary roadworks, where road crews do not adequately display de-restriction signs. Also, whilst massive data input from heat maps must be very helpful, there will always be “the road less travelled” to account for, not to mention older road markings that deteriorate over time. We are currently driving around Australia (15,000+ km). Here, FSD is not legal, but we indulged in EAP, when updating to a Model 3 Highland for this trip. It is quirky, especially in detecting occasional phantom speed signs and persisting with restrictions that don’t exist.
Great video, great subject! Thank you!
Tesla should be able to make the best maps with literally millions of vehicles driving around. And over time with even more vehicles the maps Tesla can generate will never be old!
John, Nice pod cast. Yes one potential fix for FSD would be to merge the current navigation system with near real time whole world geomapping. Even in the US the process of generating and maintaining those maps has been limited by at least two main factors.
The first factor has been compute. Generating a real world geomap is compute and storage intensive. Until recently, Tesla has been compute restrained. Maintaining such map adds layers of complexity to the necessary compute.
The second factor involves the logistics necessary build the whole world geomap and more importantly to maintain the map in near real time. Just like there are still supercharger deserts in the US there are similar Tesla deserts in most cities (including cities like San Fracisco where in many downtown locations it is hard to go a block without seeing a Tesla). Here in Greenville there are still many neighborhoods without a Tesla. Some of those neighborhoods rarely (if ever) see a Tesla. I suspect there may still be a few neighborhood streets in Greenville that have never seen a Tesla. If you map out all the Tesla drives in any city you will see a map that looks like a nighttime fireworks display with many lines leading to and from high freqency locations, a scattering of random lines across the background, and numerous regions of darkness within the city boundaries. Thus, acquiring a wholeworld geomap will require a large fleet of Teslas to drive EVERY navigatable roadway to acquire the map. Unfortunately it would also require a prohibitally large fleet to maintain the whole world geomap in real time. This is true even if the fleet of existing personally owned Tesla is used to build out and maintain the geomap of commonly traveled routes.
That said, fleet built and maintained geomapping could be very useful for improving FSD performance of innercity robotaxis.
I used to think Apple should buy Texla. Now it looks like a more perfect union would be Tesla and Google.
The halo is a nice effect
On my recent trip to Santa Rosa Beach Fllorida from Atlanta Georgia, I passed many 65 MPH speed limit signs without an appropriate increase in speed. The Model Y I was driving on FSD 12.3.6 was unable to recognize the new speed limit and remained at thr previous setting. This occured on multiple occassions. I was able to increase the speed manually. All other speed limit signs above 65 and below were recognized by the car. I was wondering if Califonia did not have roads with a 65 MPH speed limit.
I haven't seen a discussion yet of this: Tesla should report road problems to "the authorities" to improve drivability.
Starlink will also provide satellite road, land elevation data to trsla street view. The whole USA is scanned every 24 hours.
My trouble is the UI. I miss 10x more turns when using Tesla nav than I did when using Google nav. It's just not as clear.
they should work with tesla use the cams to spot crimes quickly
That’s was the Easter egg in the robo taxi screen shots during the Q1 earnings.
YES!
I think you are right, they need Tesla Maps for Robotaxis. On 8/8 they will show the Cybercab, the cyberapp and announce that next year they will start a robotaxiservice and Tesla Maps in cities like San Francisco and Austin.
Loving your Halo ! it's the Messiah !
Tesla could also send empty robotaxis to map roads that are not frequently traveled by other Teslas.
Need to switch to Esri maps. GIS and the deep learning models go perfectly with Tesla.
Absolutely 😊👍
It's a neat idea, and should produce a decent bump in FSD performance. Certainly changes I've submitted to Google Maps take ages.
On FSD I always try to send updates on incorrect speed limit signs.....now I know why they are not being updated.....if there is a contract, I hope Tesla goes with their own maps when the contract is finished.
Yet another potential revenue source for Tesla!, thanks.
1:31 - Waze lets anyone update maps - especially road closures. Don’t know how closely related to google maps. I could not change a speed limit reduction (all over NY); it took them OVER 6 months
I have been using Waze for over 7 years. I was able to edit but got into trouble when I told not to edit "too specifically". I failed to understand why not since I felt it was wrong to see a right turn when in fact it was a yield lane to the right.
Your car could detect any changes it sees that are different from the map data sent to the car. The car could flag that changed road or intersection and move it up the priority list
One model to rule them all...really helpful in inclement weather
Tesla’s map often takes us the long way to our destination. It needs to be updated
I would say that feeding the updates to Google is way better. The maps improve and Google maps has a lot of other info that is valuable to telsa drivers.
So does that mean that they are making a 3D reconstruction of the entire world driving roads? Where is this all stored? I don’t understand how this gets fed into the training model which is then quantized down to the inference compute in the cars. That presentation from Ashok has so much detail in it, I would love deeper dives on this sort of stuff. These visualizations are always amazing to me. Thanks John, enjoy LA!
I think they are not making a call to google for directions now. If you check Tesla directions and google they are diffrent. But careful 2 days back Tesla maps took me on dirt road.
Fix old low-speed zones through (long lasting) construction zones. The wrong speed lasts for _years_ after construction is finished before it's changed in the maps. There is so much phantom braking due to this.
All the data you are referring to is open source - Open Street Maps is a good alternative or redundant source for Google Maps. It would be an unnecessary distraction for Tesla to create it's own street map system
I believe Tesla is already doing this and this is why we have such bad map data. I have found every time the Tesla maps incorrectly if I use Google maps on an Android if it works perfectly. Tesla may have started with a base Google map but they've been adding and annotating their own features which is where we get the problems. In all these comments, it would be more clear if people would say Tesla navigation. Which is not the same as Google navigation on Android.
Bing indicates that Google is estimated to make between 4.3 and 11.1b per year from Google maps. If tesla can make a superior product they could take at least a part of that pot. Of course they could sell the information to other parties but they could also do something like incorporate maps into their app and/or have a tesla maps app that would be useful to everyone, not just tesla owners but could open a lot of opportunities. They could of course make an Android auto app and what ever the apple equivalent to that is as well.
The 3d reconstruction is already shown a bit in the „ordering a robotaxi“ clip on the smartphone shown, imho.
Maps has a bug where it will announce your next turn is left or right but when you get to the turn it is the opposite.
I think it's determining the direction of the turn based on the cars orientation at the time it pre announces the turn but I'm not positive that's why it's making the mistake.
This is a really attractive idea, but creating maps would require a different set of objectives for the inference NN (i.e.: location & classification of signs etc.). This will be a challenge to fit on V3 hardware which seems to be near its max capacity right now. Once Tesla has a strong level 4/5 FSD, they may be able to optimize enough to allow useful map data to emerge.
No problems, the vast majority of Teslas aren't running FSD. Their owners haven't paid for it.
They are already doing it. The visualization you are seeing on the screen is essentially that.
I tried using Tesla videos to build Mapillary street views. Didn't work as well as a phone.
@@EwanM11
FSD is running on all cars regardless, they call it "shadow mode".
I think this is a good idea
Yes! Awesome! No more google map.
The speed limits are posted on the roads, just look out the windows. 😂❤
They could also auto label speed traps
The software should pay special attention when the driver intervenes. Then try to connect with google earth and remap. Combining street view with google earth view. July 9th 2024 3:08pm
Take the Waze concept and automate it.
They should join with Google, help Google with street/road data and still use Google's amazing restaurant/establishment data. Tesla might not want to own their own map app because there is more than just street data that is valuable/needed to keep up to date. Combined world be awesome for everyone.
Tesla has best and biggest automative dataset in the world!
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Tesla will do this out of necessity in order for FSD to work properly in the face of road changes. Case in point: a local road was changed from a 2-way stop to a roundabout and FSD was unable to correctly and safely navigate the intersection for many weeks, until the Google Maps data was updated.
I find actual Google Map on my phone to be more accurate then Tesla map. Sometimes Tesla has send me wrong way or there was a glitch in map. The problem is that Tesla can't update their car data in realtime with fresh Google data while Google has perfected the phone app and is always streaming the most realtime data to the phone.
Replacing google by your own thing is attractive on paper but then you realize the thousand things Google actually does to keep their map data up date date and accurate and you realize this is not cheap or easy. It is possible as a strategic shift as Apple did but for Tesla they already well integrated with Google and i think this is not a necessary effort.
Most states have construction information on maps for citizens to use when avoiding that is needed. So google would know where construction changes may be made.
Obviously Tesla could gather substantial mapping data of their own, maybe some kind of correcting layer of data.
Great topic/suggestion. I had to stop using Google maps for our app a few years ago when Google increased their license fees obnoxiously.
I assume you know why Google bought Waze - otherwise asked as; I assume you know how Waze built their own map when Google made their license fees too high for Waze. (If not look it up.)
Absolutely, Tesla must do exactly what you describe. I’m sure their contract with Google prevents them from doing this. I hope that ends soon and Tesla licenses their map to all those being ripped off by Google today - and to Google who would pay for this data as you said.
Nice halo
That only works for major metros. In rural areas there aren't enough teslas to do this.
I'm enlighten
FSD uses Tomtom specifically for Nav and nothing else. Google is used for the *visual* map, POIs, speeds, among a ton of other things. Source: I edit the map data when it's wrong on either platform as a hobby.
Saint Knowitall
you look like saint knowitall with that back aura
FSD maps🗺 ...Let's goooo!!!🚗🚕🛻
I definitely think you're right about everything. But here's one possibility for them, not doing it yet. They're focused on FSD in solving that first once they get fs. D to a point that it's better than the average human driver and they can have a grubo taxi. Then they'll get to the mapping, kiss my thoughts
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Did you intentionally create that halo effect with your background 😅
I've thought this to be inevitable. Add in SpaceX capabilities, and this would kill Google maps.
Hi! Do you think Tesla will be able to solve FSD with HW3? If not, how do you think they will work around that?
Nice halo.
Hi John…. When will Tesla have a 5 or 10 for 1 share split? What will trigger the even. I believe this would be much appreciated by his Army of small retail share holders. Thanks for what you are doing.
They should just put satellites with space x and have real time road and construction data.
Lots of companies will want to buy that data.... Imagine Fashion companies that want to spot the new fad, advertising companies that want to know high-eye ball zones in real time, road works to spot areas that need maintenance, and show locations of where there are open car park spaces..... God only knows what more they will do....
Space X should put lidar and telescopes in space to create the best maps in the world, they could also give live updates. This would benefit Tesla and also Humanity