How F-14s Shot Down Libyan Su-22s
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On August 19th 1981, two American F-14 Tomcats were caught in an intense air to air dogfight with a pair of Libyan Su-22 fighters. The Su-22’s got the drop on them and opened fire first. This engagement was the first time the unproven F-14 saw combat, and was instrumental in showing that the U.S. Navy was a way to enforce international law with force if needed while proving the F-14’s combat capabilities. In this video we’re going to talk about why Americans were fighting Libyans, how it all went down, and the insane engineering behind the F-14 that made it all possible.
Written by: Chris Cappy and Justin Taylor
Edited by: Arun
First introduced in 1974, the Grunman F-14 Tomcat was the American Navy’s primary air superiority fighter and naval interceptor aircraft. Designed to be carrier capable, it was a twin engine, variable-sweep wing aircraft, that replaced the aging F-4 phantoms in the fleet.
Each cost the Navy about $38 million at the time, adjusted for inflation that’s $135.5 million in today’s money, and was the first fourth generation aircraft in the American arsenal, also nicknamed the “teen series” with the F-15, 16, and F/A-18 following the Tomcat later.
In 1973, Libyan dictator and future head of the Condoleeza Rice fan club, Muammar Gaddafi cut off international access to the Gulf of (SID-rah) Sidra, a massive 22,000 square mile section of the mediterranean off of Libya’s northern coast. His military forces aggressively policed the area, and Gaddafi declared the demarcation line along the border of the Gulf as “The Line of Death.”. Between 1973 and 1980, Libya’s military would often harass nearby American and NATO navies stationed in the Mediterranean, however the United States did not recognize Gaddafi’s claims of ownership in the Gulf, and asserted that it was still considered international waters.
When countries, especially dictatorships, claim to own a piece of the ocean that falls outside of their national borders, the normal response from other countries wanting to sail in said water is what’s called a Freedom of Navigation operation, or FON. These usually consist of Navy battle groups being sent into the contested areas in question and saying “What are you gonna do about it?” National claims become a lot fuzzier in the ocean compared to clear land borders, and according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, territorial waters only extend 12 nautical miles off the coast. Navies around the world use Freedom of Navigation ops as a way to ensure countries don’t start claiming crazy amounts of the ocean for themselves, and things like international trade don’t get disrupted.
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I am very surprised that you did not mention that this was what the Tomcat vs Mig fight in Top Gun was based on, and therefore what the whole film was based on.
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0:09 talking about F-14. show's F-18s. fucking lazy.
As everyone who ever took a long family road trip on the back seat with their siblings knows, this is exactly what happens when "Can't get mad, not touching you" gets out of hand.
Do you wanna play gacha life with me 😢
My father worked on the F-14D when he worked for Grumman he offen says that if production of the F-14 didn't stop when it did Grumman would have likely not had to merge with Northrop and he would likely still be an engineer. He still keeps models of the plains he has worked on the shelves of his office and a model of the F-14 proudly placed on his desk.
That is very interesting! Can you provide a link/photo to these documents?
Nice, I always loved the F-14 too. I think I still have a diecast model in a box somewhere!
@@monkemode8128 This is not the warthunder forums mate.
I hate to be that guy, but it's planes, not plains.
@@kentlindal5422 Yeah, that sounds like the type of grammatical error I would make. well, that or the auto correct program I downloaded is being weird again.
Sidewinder "I didn't miss, I was just showing off"
The story is correct, but the picture you used for the Su-22 Fitters were those of Mig-23 Floggers.
thanks for spotting that ! I'm going to do better in the future to prevent that from slipping through .
Same applies for when he was talking about the Foxbats, he also showed flogger.
@@Taskandpurposethis channel has really gotten great tho
I was going to say the same thing lol
War thunder players trying not to be cringy challenge: **IMPOSSIBLE**
UFOs: hold my plasma casters
10 minutes ago
that's a very unusual name for a weapon and not really used in fiction.
@@Gsoda35 you forgetting about predators from the AVP movies or predator movies? They use plasma casters on their shoulders
@@pabcu2507and Fallout
@@tigerbot2480 yes!
Fun fact Tom Cruise was in the area during his vacation during that time
He was researching potential film roles.
Was he In the closet?
Was R Kelly there too? Also in the closet with Tom Cruises?
So many questions…
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I felt this, my grandfather had a similar story at least for the first half of his long time at Northrop Grumman! He worked on everything from the wild cats all the way to the Tom cats.
Kudos to your Grandpa, for designing and building 1 of the best and most beautiful Jet Fighters ever, The F-14. It's a shame that the Super-Tomcat 21 never got into service. Thank you for this video, I love everything about the F-14, there will never be a more Glorious Jet Fighter, for me, what a Masterpiece! The F-15 is a close 2nd, even when it has some better features than the F-14; the rest are just some kind of modern imitations only.
Cheap Trick - Mighty Wings when I play F-14 Flight Sims
Added to my F-14 Playlist
I love how you address this topic with such honesty.
thank you for making amazing original content! very refreshing seeing a new notification from taskandpurpose!
Man your channel kicks ass.
*sucks ass
Cappys one of those rare channels thats lost nothing despite releasing more regularly.
The camo green "Foxbat" shown is actually a Mig 23 or 27 (27 is the ground attack variant) 6:46
The actual Mig 25 Foxbat is huge and ungodly fast. The Migs in the engagement were 23's - Floggers. Just fyi!
Top Gun reference 😎
Danger Zone
Heck yeah @@Justsomeguyyuyu
Tomcat is what the tabloids called Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.
Bro you look just like your grandpa !!! ❤ respect Cappy ! 🇺🇸
The US Navy and 'the Barbary Coast'... Thank you for the video putting context for a time I lived through...
One of those aircraft is displayed at the Reagan Library (they also have the Air Force One 707, SAM 27000). Great trip!
*Kenny Loggins gets louder*
Kudos to your granpa Lt. Cappy!
The real Top Gun
my grandfather alo worked on the F14 tomcat. thank you for this video
The two aircraft showing as one was in Top Gun as well!
2:20 a study of 35 adults? 🤣🤣
Glad you have sponsors. Keep doing your thing. I know you don’t write the copy.
That’s still really funny though.
Just read "The accidental engineer" about the story of Ray Holt. He worked at Garrett AiResearch, which was subcontracted by Grumman to develop the first microprocessor for the F14 Central Air Data Computer (beating the Intel 4004 by 2 yrs). Very interesting story.
I loved your commentary and the graphics describing the battle. I just found your channel and I would like to say thank you and God bless you. ❤
Interesting perspective, got me thinking!
Bots think?
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@@tpozzbarwani9977 nah, just steal comments.
i could binge video like this on air-to-air interdictions for years i swear!!! i was glued to the screen the whole video!! awesome stuff please more :)
thank you for making such a positive impact with your content!
thanks for the video, such a legendary aircraft, happy to see your Grandpa
Very cool topic for one of your videos--and like the personal family connection at the end.
I see variable wing geometry, *I click*
Glad you’re back on your topics.
the family tie in was super cool dude! BALLER.
Shout out to Grandpa Ray! 🇺🇸
Thank you!
I came to see cappy singing danger zone and I was disappointed 😞. Still, it was a good video.
small correction.. Foxbat NATO reporting name is for MiG 25 :) Su-22 is reported as Fitter (same as the whole Su-17 platform)
Cappy, another Great video, man! ( You’re REALLY GOOD at this CZcams stuff!!!)
"Abdul, take picture, F-14."
"Sheet!"
Cappie, holy shit man. First off the F-14 is in my top three warplanes of all time and second, that is AWESOME your g-pa helped make it a thing. ❤
You are VERY GOOD at making EXCELLENT videos. You have a lot of TALENT!!!
8:56 Not ROI. Plus RIO is pronounced the same as RIO in Rio de Janeiro. If you watch TOP GUN closely, you can actually hear Viper and Maverick say it.
You were in a 4G inverted dive with a MiG-28?
Re AG1: 35 person sample size 😅
Love your videos, regardless.
You have amazing lineage!
Your grandfather looks suspiciously similar to someone I’ve seen before, Can’t quite put my finger on it ?
I understand what it’s like to revere and be proud of my Grandparents, I think our generation is very fortunate to have excellent role models. Looking to my Grandparents as a source of motivation my entire life and it continues now that I’m a Grandfather.
I didn’t hear a word you said. It just sounded like the Top Gun soundtrack playing the whole time.
Excellent video. You do a great job of keeping things interesting and informative for novices (like me), while providing the in-depth coverage for the more sophisticated.
I enjoyed the family history at the end, too :)
Hey Taskandpurpose! MSN news wrote an article about one of your videos
Thanks, Grand Cappy!
You guys built one hell of a plane.
I’m like Whaaaast!! That’s wild how the sidewinder came back
Mavrick, "IT’S NOT THE PLANE, IT’S THE PILOT."
I worked for Grumman, on the IT / space side, during the time the program ended. Losing the Space Station Freedom Integration contract to Boeing (a political pay off), the new stealth bomber contract to Northrup, and the navy turning down upgrading F14s did the company in. I still have an F14 mug I'm proud of.
I love the TomCat it was one sexy aircraft. The F14, 15, f16, f18 and the f22 and I'll add the A10 are some bad behind aircraft, all are some of my favorites.
hey big fella, can see more than a passing resemblance to your grand dad..... LUV ya work..... keep it up
You bear an uncanny resemblence to your grandfather.
Even tho this incident was immediately classified, shortly after it happened (and before the classification was dropped), bumper stickers that read "America - 2....Libya - 0" were spotted on cars here in the U.S.
F14 is still my favorite. The variable geometry wings had me transfixed as a child.... I was in heaven when I got a GI Joe Skystriker XP-14F ..complete with articulating wings. I always made sure to extend the wings when I was coming in for a landing... 😁
Music is my buddy and we checked out on the B767 at work. Great guy and friend! Cappy you should show an actual Fitter in your show. Too many MiGs.
I see the thumbnail and instantly put on top gun
RIO, AR-EYE-OH....nobody says that Cappy. REE-OH is how its pronounced.
Cappy needs Mover
criminal to be this early. Hope its a good video.
Pete Mitchell was just hanging out
Wow, you look so much like your Grandfather. Another note, the car rolling behind your grandfather and grandmother is a 1949 Buick Roadster convertable.
I remember when I was a young kid having little booklet of military jets and I still love that jet the only one that still had classified information.
Your grandfather looks like a cool guy
The F-14 IS the Top Gun! Great documentary.
Fast Eagle 102 is in the Commemorative Air Force High Sky Wing Museum in Midland, Texas. She was repainted to the colors and squadron she was in at the time of this event.
I like the Mr Ballen type intro buddy 👉🤣
“The MiG-25 Foxbat” shows 2 pictures of MiG-23s
"I feel the need... the need... for speed!!" 🙌
Cutting back on coffee? What hubris is this?
Turn & Burn : No Fly Zone, a very important video game, was popular in the years after this engagement became widely known to the American public.
Hey it was "important" to me!
Was Maverick also there? TOMCATS!
Hey Cappy, do you feel more kinetic with AG1? Is it modular? Open architecture?
10x more modular
I would be surprised if they didn't "smoke" a Su-22. These are old-ass attacker/interceptor export versions of Su-17s.
Amazing how much like your grandfather you look.
"Flying through the DANGER ZOOOOoooone!"
I miss the old hangar queen.
Okay. When you talk F-14, I don't expect the first fighter depicted to be an F-18...
Still love you tho. 🐿
Awesome video
One more question for the beginning: Why are we using F-18s in this intro footage?
Because jet.
Everybody making Top Gun references but the Nimitz had only just returned from a trip to the past.
The USS Mississippi deployed to the Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean, (3 August 1981-12 February 1982) imitated the Nimitz during a confrontation between the United States and Libya. She operated as part of the screen for aircraft carriers Nimitz (CVN-68) and Forrestal (CV-59) when two Libyan Sukhoi Su‑22 Fitter-Js threatened the task force (19 August 1981). During GQ, the Captain announced over the 1MC (to the best of my recollection), " the Libyan pilots expected to find the Nimitz deep in the Gulf of Sidra, but found us instead. They radioed for permission to fire on the Mississippi after a fly=over. Those jets were engaged by Tomcats before they started their attack run. A Russian cruiser is bearing down on us and illuminating us with fire control radar" and I don't remember the rest as I prepared for the worst as a damage control party nozzleman. You could see the fear in our eyes. One ship cruise-book page said a Tactical Operational Deception team had been onboard.
within the first 30 seconds, pronounces the F-14 Tomcat.....we then see 4 FA-18 Super Hornets....All - righty 😅🤣😂🤣😅
I saw this movie.
AG1 is one of those companies that walk the line on being scammy.
Your grandfather worked for Grumman, not Northrup, Cappy! A Long Islander should know that!
What constitutes "harassing/harassment" in international maritime military etiquette and norms?
Lmao both sides were playing chicken.
This was a thousand years ago foo
Man, you look just like your grandfather!
Su-22 is called a Fitter by NATO. Foxbat is the MiG-25.
Video greatly enhanced by the addition of Kenny Loggins music!
You really love that word, “geopolitical”, eh. This is what happens when you give a grunt an education, LOL
I read that title and thought I was in for a way different and much more black sea centric video.
And this is how the movie Top Gun was manifested.
Just a little nitpick: That's a port turn in your graphic, not starboard. A trick I learned when I had to remember port and starboard is to put all the short words together; left port red VS the long words right starboard green.
Wikipedia does a bad job of answering if the LIbyans fished their pilots out of the sea or not. Were they fished out of the drink or did the LIbyan navy find them?