Turkey's Home-Built Fighter is More than a Weapon
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Take a look at this domestically produced Turkish delight the new 5th generation Tal Kaan MMU fighter jet. . It’s maiden flight on February 21st 2024 felt like a bold statement from the Eurasian country stating they didn’t need any of your foreign technology. What we’re observing right now is an increasing wave of domestically designed advanced fighter jets appearing around the world. This is because Countries are pursuing a concept known as military self-sufficiency where you are beholden to no foreign power for your defense. We’ll also learn how Advanced fighter programs are more than just weapons; they are a sign of national pride within your country and a strong symbol of deterrence against your would-be enemies. So What does the Kaan fighter jet’s mission and weapon systems tell us about their greater military strategy? What geopolitical and diplomatic factors lead to its development? I’m your average infantryman chris cappy fire off a foxtrot 2 at the like and subscribe button and lets find out.
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Turkey’s search for independence
First of all let me explain what is at stake here for the Turkish air force and why they desire a 5th gen fighter. You might not know it but since 2015 The Turkish air force has been very busy. They’ve pulled off hundreds of air strikes into Syria and Iraq many of them unilateral and some of them in partnership with the US led coalition against ISIS. This map from airwars.org shows us a view of where the casualties are from these strikes. These attacks have a dual mission, the first was to destroy ISIS and the second was to target Kurdish forces.
With this comes the risk of return fire because one of their 3rd generation F-4 phantom jets was shot down by the Syrian air force. 3 years later a 4th generation Turkish F-16 shot down a Russian Su-24M near their border with Syria that they claimed had violated their air space. In 2023 alone the Turkish air force executed 128 air strikes inside northern Syria. So Considering how active their air force is in the feild it’s clear why from a combat tactical point of view it’s important. We’ll also dive into why it’s important on a political and operational level too later. Safe to say there is a lot riding on the program. To safely deliver ordnance in the modern world that’s lousy with anit-air defense, you need a 5th generation aircraft.
In the realm of military aviation, Turkey’s emergence as a player in indigenous fighter jet development has garnered significant international attention. Headlines covering the Kaan’s maiden flight included words and expressions like “impressive,” “history-shattering”, “a pivotal point”, and “a new titan takes into the skies”. Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) designed the Kaan to reach all modern fighter performance benchmarks which includes: a maximum speed of Mach 1.8 to 2.2, a service ceiling of 55,000 ft, a range of 700 miles on internal fuel, and a tolerance for maneuvers exerting up to 9 Gs. What makes a fighter 5th gen as opposed to 4th gen? Low radar visibility, high agility and the ability to conduct network centric warfare. So far, only three countries have successfully developed a fifth-generation fighter: Russia, China and the US. Among them, only China and the US have managed to manufacture the fighters in significant numbers. So if Turkey becomes the fourth nation to develop a fifth-generation fighter, that’s no small feat.
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From being Ottoman Empire one of the most feared empire to becoming a NATO lap dog or a US base. Turkey has S-400 Russia said they are not selling those only S-300 were available for purchase. Patriot System lacks distance, it is extremely expensive to operate & maintain, that's why Turks went for Russian systems.
Turkish 5th Gen fighter jet Spec:
- 360 degree Gan (Gallium Nitride) Active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar
- Infrared search and track (IRST)
- 360 degree Electronic warfare suite (EW)
- Electro Optical targeting system (EOTS)
- Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM)
- Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T)
- TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD)
1.8 mach cruise speed
2.5 mach max speed
Internet weapon bay
55.000 feet operational altitude
BVR Air2Air missiles
WVR Air2air missiles
Cruise missiles
Anti-Ship missiles
Air launched ballistic missiles
Precision guided rockets
Anti-radiation missile
Kamikaze (Loitering) drones
TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD)
Color screen and digital night vision technologies will be used for the first time in the system, which was developed as binocular (two optical channels) and viewfinder reflective. In this way, color-specific groupings (friend, foe, etc.) can be made in the symbology information.
A hybrid (optical-inertial) system is designed as a head tracking system. The inner helmet will be specially produced for the pilot in terms of both comfort of use and proper viewing. For this, the head structure of the pilot will be scanned and the inner helmet will be processed according to the data generated after the scan. The visor will also be personalized according to the pilot in terms of oxygen mask and face form compatibility.
Headphones will have active noise suppression (ANR-Active Noise Reduction) technology, and the pilot's awareness will be increased by transferring the 3D sound from the aircraft's internal speech system in stereo. The image obtained by using high-precision line of sight information from the 360-degree image created by the electro-optical systems on the aircraft will be projected onto the viewfinder and will provide a sense of use as if the aircraft does not have a fuselage.
ASELSAN's 3D Audio Technology is based on HRTF (Human Related Transfer Function). 3D Audio is created spatially based on the location information of the warning and the head movements of the pilot. So the sound is transmitted as if it is coming from above, below, right or left.
Thanks to 3D Audio technology, the pilot's environmental awareness increases, response time and workload decrease.
Radio separation is created using 3D Audio. Communication channels are transmitted to the pilot from different angles so that the pilot can easily distinguish between channels.
3D Audio Features
• Real-Time Operation
• Radio Separation
• Directional Warning
• Global Positioning
• Reduced Response Time
• Reduced Workload
• Increased Environmental Awareness
Even the F35/F22 does NOT have these features combined
The real reason why Turkey bought S400 is because NATO allies closed the Patriots in Turkey. In the same year, ISIS threatened to launch missiles at Turkey
As a Kurd, I feel the responsibility to fix one thing in your video, our country which is Türkiye is not in war with the Kurds. We are fighting with the terrorists called ypg-pkk. It doesn't matter that America distinguishes between those two, but we know and they internally know that these are the same terrorist organization. They are active in different countries though it doesn't change anything.
Both are CIA proxies (fighting against another proxy which is ISIS, scripting a story creating both the protagonist and the antagonist alinging with their (CIA) interests). I’m a Turk you’re a Kurd doesn’t matter, you’re a MAN. Bless your soul!
you are not kurdish
@@RENASK I didn't know I had to convince you. Fuck off
Not every kurd has to be stalinist like the pkk.
Knowing how Turkish got as cheap workers got techot by espionage stolen technology used I know this from mouth of turk person himser who has own contact worked in Germany do almost all major industrial mfg activities stolen all technology copied in turkey even ship yards
If one thing being a military history nerd has taught me is NEVER underestimate the Turks
Eh, except in WW1?
But, I loved reading about Ottoman conquest of middle east. That was awesome military campaign.
@@JohnJaneson2449in ww1 and after they still stomped on allies.
@@JohnJaneson2449 WW1 was finished in 1922 for us. We had never accepted the peace treaty of Sevres, on the contrary Germany's treaty of versailles. After the ceasefire of mondros. We organized a war against Britain France Italy and Greeks. And we gained our independence under the rule of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. So we cannot consider Turkey as a "sure loser" of WW1
@@JohnJaneson2449😂😂😂
@@JohnJaneson2449türkler ww1 de yenilmedi arkadaşım. Okursan anlarsın. Bize ilkokulda öğretilen ve hepimizin hafızalarına kazınan şey şudur ; “almanlar kaybettiği için biz de kaybetti sayıldık.”
US : Since you brought some S400s, we ain't selling you F35s
Turkey : Fine, I'll do it myself.
😂
This is half true. USA DID NOT REFUSE TO SELL PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEMS to Turkey. The "clever" (read dull) Turkey wanted to steal the Know-how and blueprints from the original manufacturer who have spent years of Research and Development for such an artifact of modern American Science and Technology. All other allies of USA had no problem aquiring the systems. Only Turkey had the "anatolian bargaining" as usually in her attitude. So Turkey sees wrongly her dimension in a perversive mirror as longer than the actual dimension. No more turkish lies with Americans and Europeans missile systems. KAAN is as a child game compared to F-35 superior Electronics, Avionics and Sensors.
Turkey: "We have stealth fighters at home."
We'll see if they aren't just movie-grade props soon enough.
@@Blodhelmi sggest you to little search about turkish weapons and defence products about how many times they tried in real war and how effective they are.
@@Blodhelmf-22 raptor never flew perfectly, still doesn’t. The 1st start was a disaster. KAAN‘s first flight ever was successful. Just shut up and accept it.
I hope one day the world hear my heart words about turkey , im a history enthusiast and i fell in love with the history of turkey , this nations elites have always been on the side of peasants of the world and endured war and losses to maintain it, meanwhile they didnt need it
Of course
We feel what you mean
So they joined NATO and Hitler to help the peasants of the world , makes sense . NO, Turkey wants Ottoman Empire lands back , simple as that within reasonable boundaries . .
Congrats Turkiye Air Force from Korea.
I wish we did it together. I wish you wouldn't rush. They deliberately made your plane small. Even if you convert it to the 5th generation, it will remain weak in terms of weapons - avionics - electronic warfare - artificial intelligence and range. Our aircraft has the largest dimensions among the 5th generation aircraft and there is a clear way for it to be converted into the 6th generation. I'd like to say it's not too late yet, but I can't say that because I know you've spent a lot of money and your people's expectations are high. Perhaps you may still choose to maintain 1 or 2 fleets. and thanks
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@@onurcan8434 Turkiye is self sufficent in fighter jet unlike Korea
Gam sa hab ni da mr kim bab
8:58 are we just gonna ignore the fact that there's a city called Batman?
There is a town called the hulk in the netherlands
the mayor of batman actually sued batman. He lost the case lol
I heard that's the birthplace of Erdoğan
Nope ! I went there while travelling... And I drew the bat symbol on the city sign! 😂😂😂
@@Omer1996E.C Wrong. He was born in Rize, located in the Black Sea Region.
Mad respect to Turkish people!
❤ Thanks for your kind words about my country and Nation...
This is the whole summary of the s400 crisis. The Americans first tried to sell the old versions at a very high price, then when the s400 issue came up, this time Turkey asked for technology transfer, which was rejected, which I think was stupid. Today the US gives technology transfer to Israel and Korea, if Turkey had given some technology transfer for patriots, this would not have happened.
Especially they selling patriots to countries like Saudi Arabia but not to Turkey to an NATO ally.
It was by design. Congress had a report in front of them at that point by Intelligence community that claimed strengthening Turkish defensive capabilities would harm US' ability to guide policy in Iraq and Syria. By limiting what Turkey could produce and deploy, the intent was to keep absolute control of Syrian-Iraqi Kurdish corridor and first operational intelligence on any PKK YPG assets ( as those are proven to be supported by US High command)
Result is that it backfired spectacularly. While the buying of S-400s were expected, the end result of kicking Turkey out of F-35 program backfired.
For one thing, the F-35 parts produced in Turkey had to be rebranded and reproduced somewhere else. Multiple US based companies offered to pick up the slack, but both the cost increase and lack of manpower in domestic US disallowed that. So it shifted to netherlands. That caused a big delay in F-35 scheduling.
But that's small potatoes, logistics stuff. What really backfired was what happened next. That event triggered the national defense initiative response, which Erdogan did use to enrich his own son in law, but that aside, it effectively caused Turkey to quickly prototype and deploy UAVs. And set aside a lot more funding for military research.
So then the military attack helicopters started being replaced from American cobras to Turkish made ones. That process is underway. Large parts of missile infrastructure Task went over in this video is also a result of that. Multiple missilies covering more verticals than standard NATO ammunition were made.
As Dutch made arms are generally more expensive, and US arms are tied to Congress approval, guess what happened? All the 3rd world nations looking for cheaper alternatives started buying from Turkish military industrial complex.
This all happened in last 10 years, give or take. S-400 crisis wasnt the source of it, but a big catalyst.
Essentially, the big reason why Turkey right now has a dominating position in UAV market or project some soft power over allies even US cannot properly control is because Congress was stupid enough to listen to CIA.
Edit: Oh, and needless to say, the dream of controlling Syrian-IRaqi kurdish corridor blew up in US' face. Syrian govt didnt fall, so Russia moved in. Northern Iraqis saw US support was worth nearly nothing. ISIS made several attempts at a resurgence and while coalition did beat them back down, they never went away.
And Israel just shook the leash of US control and now running rampant. US soft power completely crumbled away thx to combined efforts from the last 4 administrations.
I don't want to bother you, but there is an error.
The only country that gave us air defense technology is Russia. You said The United States hand over technology to SK, but that's not true. contrary. As Korean technology began to surpass that of the United States, Israel and the United States suddenly began to visit, asking for “technology exchange.”
As revealed in several orders, SK Technology has surpassed the United States.
The United States never provides air defense system technology to its allies (Israel may be an exception).
South Korea developed an air defense system together with Russia. In Russia it is called S-350.
Korea also contributed to the development of Russia's S-400.
In any case, SK's air defense system was initially 100% based on Russian technology, but as the United States and Israel cooperated in technology at the request of the United States and Israel, it is now a mixture of technologies from several countries.
In any case, the roots of our technology lie in Russia, and we will not forget Russia’s gratitude.
As I write, America's contradictions become more and more evident.
The U.S. policy of oppressing countries that do not depend on others with the will for independent defense is a big mistake. I respect the strong will of the Turkish people.
We have been oppressed so much by the United States that you can imagine how difficult it must be for the Turks. Even if we develop even old missiles, we face all kinds of threats, intimidation, boycotts, pressure, import and export bans, etc. We too have experienced this over the past 50 years.
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So you want Iran, Russia and other nations to hold US technology?!
aslında usa parlementosuda malesef bağımsız değil. israil ve ermeni lobiciliğin verdiği sonuçtur demek daha doğru.
Turkish people are great people, honest, and when say they mean it. I have many Turkish friend.
Greetings from Turkey. You are always wellcome my friend. The people who shout antiTurkish slogans are generally the ones who never visits Turkey or who has political bias against Turkey. It is nice to see we still have friends out there.
Thank you very much ❤
American folks also great and honest. Turkish people has no problem wtih Real Americans.
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Thank you Kenny, greetings from Ankara
Honestly being self sufficient in defense just seems like extremely basic "defense 101" stuff to me even if your in a military alliance. So i can't blame them for wanting the ability to defend themselves on their own.
Finally tanks man finally same won understand it
Being self sufficient is nice in theory, but unlikely to be useful in a major war. Capability on day one combined with stockpiles of material should be the target.
@@alt5494 Nobody can afford to have sufficient stockpiles and nobody tries, you hamstring your peacetime economy recycling vast stockpiles of ammunition you never use, and when push comes to shove its economies that win major wars. For this reason countries aim to have enough to fight an aggressor to a temporary stalemate, after which it becomes an attritional industrial and economic contest. At this point it is highly preferable in a major war to have your own military industrial capacity. The Russians would have been staring at defeat were it not for the fact that they have a very large MIC and don't have to go cap in hand to a capricious and unreliable ally like the US like the Ukrainians do. The problem is you're own military industrial complex will bankrupt you if you cannot secure export markets, which is the problem Turkey faces since its economy is down the toilet.
If you aren't part of an alliance yeah for sure but being part of NATO
you also have to consider the difficulties of incorporating the tech
into joint exercises and actual combat..
@@osric1730 The long term wars are over represented in people's minds. Most wars are completed rapidly because the defender did not prepare. Belgium & Korea before WW2 invasions for example. Also small nations will not be able to safeguard infrastructure in advanced warfare. Without a significant fighter advantage to push back cruise missile launch platforms. Depth needed underground to protect a facility are cost prohibitive for production. The USA has made massive contributions to Ukraine as well as many other issues. The EU should be the more involved.
US refused to give F35s to Turkiye, and Turkeys had a contribution in manufacturing F35s, but USA did not mind giving Israel F35s even though Israel never contribution in building the F35s, so Congratulations to Turkiye you got your own now so sod the Americans they have no gratitude. Keep it up Turkiye.
Boo fucking hoo you got kicked off a secret program after literally proving your fraternizing with the psychotic enemy who is literally the reason the defense org your part of is created to defend against!
Aslında Amerika'ya ve katkısı olan bir kaç Avrupa ülkelerine teşekkür etmek istiyorum. Onlar sayesinde teknolojilerimiz her geçen gün gelişiyor. Türkiye tersine mühendisliği en iyi yapan ülkelerden birisidir. USA bize hava savunma sistemi vermedi. Rusya'dan almak zorunda kaldık. Sonrasında kendi hava savunmamızı yaptık. Şuanda balistik füze üzerinde çalışıyoruz. USA bize uçak vermedi. Vermediği için kendi uçağımızı yapmak durumunda kaldık. Silah ambargosu uygulandı. Kendi silahlarımızı yapmaya başladık. Kanada bize drone larda kullanmak için kamera sistemini vermedi ve satış ambargosu uyguladı. Şuanda kendi kamera sistemlerimizi üretmeyi başardık. Avusturya'dan aldığımız drone motorlarına Ermenistan savaşında kullanıyoruz diye ambargo uyguladılar. Şimdi kendi motorlarımızı üretmeyi başardık. "Kötü komşu insanı mal sahibi eder" diye bir söz var. Ayrıca Amerika'nın bizim topraklarımızın güneyinde desteklediği PKK/YPG terör örgütü sayesinde hem askeri olarak daima savaşa hazır ve mücadele etmek zorunda kalan güçlü bir ordu olmayı başardık. Hem de ürettiğimiz teknolojileri bu teröristler üzerinde deneyerek tecrübe edindik. Teşekkürler Amerika!
I personally think Turkey is a great asset to NATO. I love Turkey, I have been there on a few occasions and always had great experiences.
Thank you from Turkiye. God bless you..
I love turkey 🇹🇷 good jop turkey turks are great people
Turkey should ditch NATO
Turkiye is not a NATO asset. Turkiye is the second strongest NATO "member" after USA in terms of military participation.
well that would make you a NATO asset. Same as the USA, and all other NATO members.
For everyone who doesn’t know Turkish engineers helped design and had key roles in many 5th gen programs here in the USA. F135 engine for the f35 and the F119 engine for the F22. I worked with Turkish engineers daily on the engine line as I’m a jet engine mechanic on both of those platforms. I remember the day they were no longer working with us and out of the program but that’s after 10 or 15 years. I 1000% know they can build a good jet. Because they helped build ours.
A very valuable contribution to the discussion.
Being in the room does not mean you helped
@@__The-Official-Real-Obama__ maybe that's why you can only be in CZcams chat rooms
@@__The-Official-Real-Obama__ maybe that's why you are only in CZcams chat rooms
It takes a whole ecosystem to produce an advanced fighter.
The moral of the story is, do not impose arms embargo and hidden conditions onto your customers because it will spur them to be self-reliant and eventually compete for the future customers when their product is matured and ready for export
Moral of the story, read deeper into an issue before spewing nonsense. Turkey didn’t get the patriot system for one reason and one reason only they demanded a technology transfer upon the sale of Patriot missiles. They were denied so they bought the s400 systems with Russia with the intent to buy the s500 batteries. The moment they did that they were removed from the f-35 program their 8 jets on Luke afb confiscated and sat for 2 years before we paid out the money to Turkey for the jets and took them under the United States air-force training squadron.
It wasn't unreasonable for NATO to impose restrictions on Turkey for
purchasing s400s and the potential for giving away classified info as a result
to the Russians
You can be sure that there will be much more than this. because their scrap will explode in their hands because they cannot compete with their cutting-edge competitors. They will not want to sell their equivalent technologies just because they want to use them privately.
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Hello. You used the phrase "Kurdish Forces" in the content. This is very wrong and misleading information. Turkish armed forces only fight against "PKK and YPG" terrorists. Millions of Turkish citizens of "Kurdish" origin in my country. We have thousands of citizens of "Kurdish" origin in the Turkish army. Turkish Armed Forces are fighting against Terrorists to whom the US government has provided thousands of trucks of weapons and training.
Ağzına sağlık, ben de aynısını yazacaktım)
cansın abi
thank you for making the clarification!
"Turkey bought S-400 because usa doesnt wanted to sale patriots" se thats the truth and many ppl dont know.Every single word in this video correkt and true.Huge respect to that.First time seing a video in youtube that doesnt contain any fake,untruth words or visualisation.Worth watching ,great job .
The Americans were willing to sell patriots to Turkey, but Turkey wanted the blueprints to produce them as well, and the Americans said NO.
USA did not sale patriots because turkey assisted IS and closed airpsace for NATO Members to protect ISIS. Dude. Stop telling only the half story.
Turkey has always been a stragic partmer with us and has been a good partner. They live in a tough neighborhood, and have mostly been the adult in the room. They probably just want our support, but not our control. Understandable. America hasn't been there for our partners interest in the past. I wish them luck.
ÇOK DOĞRU KARDEŞİM......
Thanks for understanding ☺️
10/10 analysis. Thank you for your objective viewpoint. Love from Türkiye 🇹🇷
The "adult"? Are you sure about that statement?
bravo
Turkey’s incredible achievements of defense industry is going to keep peace at home and in the world. Never underestimate the Turks. It was a good video.
You forgot to mention :
- Türkiye was also building the main body frame of the F35.
- It all started because the US refused to sell the Patriot system, even after years of negotiations. So Türkiye had to buy Russian equipment.
- Greece, which is also part of NATO, has bought Russian defense systems, but the US didn't bother. It was clearly targeting Türkiye to not let them have an effective defense system.
On S-400 you've missed the point that Greece, a NATO ally, already uses S-300. Same point applies to that one as well, Russia personnel can leak radar data to Russia.
S400 is very different from the S300
@@tomriley5790The S-400 has increased range coverage but the theory of modeling a stealth aircraft from regular radar detection is a valid concern. The long wave radar can see disruptions in the air and given enough time of knowing an F-35 is flying past it's entirely possible to program the detection and tracking of it into the system. The concern of this information 'leaking' to a potential adversary is absolutely valid.
I’m guessing there’s a lot to dig into and unpack there, that sounds like an interesting avenue to investigate. I’ll look into it in the future when i cover this aircraft again
Imho that's why US waited until there was absolutely no way Russian personnel will get in contact with Greece to give the green light for F-35s. I guess the invasion of Ukraine made things more straightforward also considering Erdogan's approach.
@@Taskandpurpose he isnt telling the full story but yes. south cyprus bought it originally and turkey threatened to destroy it preemptively so they gave it to greece.
No cap, that’s probably the coolest Turkish vehicle I ever saw.
I am shocked with the quality of the followers of this channel. It is very rare these days to see such amount of logical comments.
The only thing left is jet motor and Turkiye is working to produce its motors, after that Turkiye will not be dependent on other countries
Üretti bile yeni son dakika bir bilgi
Yanılıyorsun tf35000 i.uretmemize.rahat 5 6 sene var , tf6000 motor ateslemeleri yeni başladı@@haticekubrakulu8505
The USA really did put Turkey in a BOX on this one. Turkey needed a missile defenses system urgently to protect itself and The USA would not sell them the same system they have sold or given to other countries. They buy from another source and The USA tells them if you buy it, we kick you out of a multi-billion dollar partnership you are a MAJOR Player in? Yeah, Turkey building their own planes works out best for them.
Turkey is small fry to USA the USA want India as a customer they can earn billions of them
It's not that the US refused to sell it, they didn't. The US had no qualms about selling patriots to Turkey. The problem was that Turkey wanted technology transfer to manufacture it themselves, and the US refused to sell the PAC-3 with technology transfer. They were offered PAC-3 with no technology transfer or PAC-2 with technology transfer. Instead they bought S-400 and lost their F-35s, although that seems to be changing now that the US has offered to let Turkey back into the F-35 program if they get rid of the S-400s (probably by giving them to Ukraine).
@@sdfopsdmsdofjmp7863 Yeah India wont deal with any one that doesn't give them full technology tranfer but Biden did just to get them in the door at the press conference he blurted out "Wev told India everything " 😅
@@braddbradd5671 except that Turkey is the major USA ally in the Middle East and second strongest country in the NATO. Turkey has a very strategic position controlling the Middle East, Mediterranean, and controlling the Black Sea access (meaning controlling the Russian fleet). Turkey influences most of Muslin countries, including Pakistan and the former Soviet Union republics. Not to mention that Turkey's military is way stronger than Indian.
@@arystanbeck914 absolutely correct about Turkey’s strategic value to NATO. Turkey is the strongest bridge to Muslim states for the NATO alliance, both culturally and geographically. However, India is generally considered to be the 4th strongest military power on earth, while Turkey generally falls between 8-11 on most empirical datasets. No disrespect toward Turkey, or their military, just accurate information.
I wish Turkey the best of luck and good will.When a country can fabricate its own airplanes it shows knowledgable people and technology that goes into an airplane.The design the power factor,the stress factor the light weight metals and alloys that make it strong and light weight and the engine for thrust and initiate lift over gravity and drag good work TURKEY.
Thanks 🙏🇹🇷
Dude...I dont know why he did not put more time into research even though the information is so basic, I hardly understand how he got so many things wrong... But lets talk about the self-sufficiency; There is none! It is full of foreign technology, I mean what do you think?! that Turkey is somehow able to do magic? They dont have a domestic aviation program but somehow can build advanced tech completely on their own? Where do you think the engine, the avionics, radar, etcetera are coming from? And please people dont be fooled by the marketing term that has zero value nor meaning, aka 5th gen... If we go by the golden standard, the American F35 then no the Turkish jet is not a 5th gen. 5th gen is about stealth sure, which the Turkish one has only a very limited form of, which is understandable since the US wont sell them their tech and the Turks have no history, nor experience with that technology, nor do they have any industry civil or military academic which is working with it... But the most important part of 5th gen is the information processing and fusion, something extremely complex, time intensive and expensive to develop, something which they do not have in their jet.. because you cant buy it off the shelf, and they do not have the expertise to develop it, so there goes that... People dont go by the looks and by marketing terms ala 5th gen, because if we do, then even Iran has a 5th gen jet...Its not easy nor cheap to develop guys, why do you think the US spent so much and took so much time for their F35 program, which is not even finished after more than a decade, nearly two decades...?! And the US has the most experience when it comes to aviation, stealth, information processing, avionics, radar, and what not technology, I mean it was not their first rodeo.. they did the F22, F117, B2 and others before it and still its hard, takes time and costs a fortune... So do you guys truly believe that Turkey easily replicated that, with less money time and no prior experience nor history in such complex projects?! Come on now, be real please!
@@Kenny-yl9pc He probably is a fake account of turkish propaganda service or is an uneducated person without any knowledge of modern Science and Technology and Economics and Aviation matters
@@Kenny-yl9pc If you don't know anything about the subject you're talking about, you should avoid being so specific.
It is wrong to directly compare the F-35 with any other fighter project. In the JSF project, three different aircraft were designed, using common parts and one of which could land vertically. Besides sensor fusion, this is the most important reason why the project cost is so high and the development time is so long.
Are there definitive written requirements that make an aircraft 5th generation? If our criterion for being the 5th generation is the F-35, there is no other 5th generation fighter in the world. The K-21, which some call the 5th generation, does not have an internal weapon station and uses the F-414 engine. J-20 must not meet the 5th generation criteria with those canards. SU-57 is a completely different story anyway. Even the F-22 should not be considered the 5th generation since it does not have sensor fusion like the F-35. Moreover, even the F-35 has other problems, such as limited super cruise ability and very high exhaust gas temperature, which negatively affects the stealth feature of the F-135 engine.
The aviation technology and industry that you say Turkey does not have was one of the most important parts manufacturers for the F-35. It was producing both the middle fuselage and some parts of the F-35, which is the most complex body part, and many critical parts of the F-135 engine. Some of which it was the sole supplier of. Even F-35 program manager Tom Burbage said in an interview that Turkey is one of the best and trouble-free suppliers in the program and their problem is that they cannot give more work to Turkey because they have to give work to other program partners.
Turkeye had previously announced that the first models would be the 4.5 generation KAAN Block 10. Aselsan develops the avionics and EOTS system. Research on radar absorbing paints and coatings has been carried out for years. The radar, which you say does not exist, was made in Turkey, including its microchip design, and testing of the finished prototypes has even begun. KAAN has two important parts that will be foreign sourced. One is the engines and the other is the ejection seat, both of which are being worked on, especially the engine. Türkiye is developing an aircraft that suits its needs and it doesn't have to be better than the F-35 in every aspect. Yes, Turkey will need time, especially for engine and sensor fusion, but they are not expected to be in the first block anyway.
So it would be better if you do some research before you start talking nonsense.
@@Kenny-yl9pc You can't know that. You wouldn't know the technology in this plane. Moreover, Tusaş, which has been in the aviation industry for years, is not an ordinary company. Tusaş is a company that produces F16s under license, even better than Lockheed Martin. They made F16 with 0 errors. 17,000 engineers and technical staff work on the TFX Kaan aircraft at Tusaş alone. And this project was officially announced and started in 2009.
Good analysis. One item left out is that the F35 has punitively high maintenance costs which could make the Kaan a viable option as they are developing their own engine and could leverage the engine across other planes in development. Very objective and informative clip. Well done!
Turkey doesn`t have the metallurgy to develop a reliable engine with a long life. They are going to be in the same place as China and Russia..either a powerful engine or a reliable engine with a long life...they can`t do both.
9:00 I can't believe our State Dept. is that stupid. Er... never mind, I can INDEED see how they could be that stupid.
So.. we essentially said, "You can't have Russia's missile defence system"; and then later said, "But you can't have ours, either!". So - - what'd you expect?
your state dept. is not that stupid. problem is that your govt. lawmaking and exec. bodies are captured by jewish, armenian, greek people (origins) all of which were Turkish empire subjects for half a millenia. and they hate Turks for that, and they make sure to block any law favoring Turkey.
Its because Turkey support ISIS, you are not well informed. There are many many more reasons, why turkey is NOT trustfull. This are propaganda channels.
3 defa patriot için başvurduk sonuç s400 aldık. Bize suç bulmayın yunan lobisine suç bulun. Bu arada yunanistanda s350 var nasıl f35 alıyor.
That's not even the only thing. Turkey contributed and funded f-35 programme and now banned from it. While having already purchased for it and no return of money yet. Meanwhile Israel git the jets without even a contribution. Sometimes I think Turkey acts calmer more than she could have.
@@aloha1783 Because turkey act agains the laws of NATO, several times!
I was expecting to watch a one-sided and biased anti-Turkish video. Thank you for surprising me with this well-researched, and as-is neutral display of facts. That is how strategic reporting should be!
Why would anyone be anti-Turkish? (Maybe the Kurds and Armenians, I guess. But why anyone else?)
@@JohnJaneson2449 All the establishment media in the West is anti-Turkish by default. It may be difficult for you outsiders to grasp it but it's too real to ignore for us. Türkiye's move toeards military self-sufficiency is always viewed as a sort of "betrayal" by the western media. When Türkiye puts its national interests first, it is portrayed as "unreliable ally, rogue ally", but when the U.S. and other bigwigs do it, it is "patriotism."
@@JohnJaneson2449well, since turkey and nato arent that fond of each other anymore, because of the s400 scandal, decreasing democracy in turkey and turkey trying to do its own thing internationally(like having more contact with russia and china than the west would like)it became a standard to talk down and not acknowledge turkish accomplishments. Its like two Friends who have a dispute and now one of them(the west) talks shit about the other one behind his back(that would be the west talking turkish accomplishments bad)
@@JohnJaneson2449 It has historical and geopolitical reasons. Türkiye emerged out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire, which again was the successor of other Turkish empires like the Selcuks or Göktürks. Empires create tensions and friction as regional powers. The same applies to today's only global power, namely the USA. So, if you modify your question as "Why would anyone be anti-US?" then almost the same answers and reasons apply 1.1 to Türkiye.
@@onentogar9599 You gave me good answer on geopolitical level, but on personal level I can't fathom it.
For example, I can see why people dislike CCP/PRC China because of the foreign minister bullying and Chinese internet trolls constantly insulting everyone for no reason at all.
I just don't see the same attitude towards the Turks or Turkish government for that matter.
Turkish government might be imperfect but it's not offensive at all to most people.
As a foreigner, I see Turkiye as just a nice place, with nice people, very nice culture, and still acceptably nice government.
Armenians and Kurds would disagree, of course.
I think people dont understand how insane this actually is what Turkiye did.. the only other countries that have a Gen 5 Jet are super powers like USA, Russia and China. Turkiye being the 4th country. And the turkish Jet even already has features that are supposed to come in Gen 6 Jets, making it the first Gen 5.5 jet with even more advanced technology.
If we take them at their word. I'm sure there's no problem with that. Not like they have a wannabe dictator who would love to inflate his accomplishments and would have no problem lying to his people and the world to make himself look better, right?
Exactly
well at the moment they just have a flying prototype, although this is a big accomplishment it doesn't "says" anything about the final result and how stealth and overall capable will be
@@a.d.7042 if you do a little research, you will see that Turkey has already produced all the technologies except the engine for the 5+ Generation fighter jet. AESA radar, infrared and optical sensors, digital warfare, central battle management, cockpit electronics, etc.
@@the_realist I wouldn't trust everything Turkey claims. Their tanks are being built for decades, no results yet...
They built out indigenous defense industry, cos US started blackmailing them with weapon deals.
This is half true. USA DID NOT REFUSE TO SELL PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEMS to Turkey. The "clever" (read dull) Turkey wanted to steal the Know-how and blueprints from the original manufacturer who have spent years of Research and Development for such an artifact of modern American Science and Technology. All other allies of USA had no problem aquiring the systems. Only Turkey had the "anatolian bargaining" as usually in her attitude. So Turkey sees wrongly her dimension in a perversive mirror as longer than the actual dimension. No more turkish lies with Americans and Europeans missile systems.
Thank you for the balanced report. I just want to add that Turkish success is not to limited to this 5th Generation Aircraft, although it is the climax of it for now. In the air defence field, they first produced Hurkus training aircraft with turboprop engine, then the built Hurjet which is a jet-engine powered training/close support aircraft. They are also producing fighter and multi-purpose helicopters (Atak I, Atak II, Gokbey, etc.,). They are producing various types of UAV's and drones, including two Un-Manned jet aircrafts: Kizilelma by Baykar (same company that produces Byraktar 2), and Anka 3 by TUSAS the same company that produces KAAN. They have also developed their own multi-layer air-defence system which is on the production line but it constantly gets range improvements. Within a few years, Turkiye won’t need S-400 systems anymore as its own indigenous system will overpass S-400 capabilities. For the Navy, they built various ships/submarines, etc., as well as their own Aircraft carrier. It is predicted that in 2024 Turkiye’s weapon exports will be around $13 Billion USD.
Wow... This was the far most objective review of the MMU Kaan Project I've seen on YT. You did really great job reading both nation's interests&goals and how other international experts view about the project 👌Let's see if all this work and money spent on Kaan will pay off in the future of the Turkish Air Force
Always pays to learn. If nothing else, the experience alone will lead to other endeavors.
This was really objective, the only and one thing we can criticize is that he called PKK Terrorists Kurds but we Turks dont have problem with Kurds but its really hard for them to understand that. Its funny how a western country can be ally with a Leninist, Communist, drugs selling Terrorist group..
It’s a fascinating topic , it’s always interesting to cover weapon systems that have some level of controversy to them
@@Taskandpurpose def not your avg army infantryman.. more like your well supported academy Major..
well not all americans are sarcastic, neither blinded of their own ignorance nor stupid. someone check the facts and observing. this man is good. small flaws here there but its a really objective video.
Ukraine wants to purchase turkish fighter by money being "donated" by europe and US , who kicked turkey out of f35 program. How ironic
Ukrayna büyük bir el tarafından yönetilen bir kuklaya benziyor. Çok yazık ukrayna halkı için üzülüyorum.
Turkey shouldn’t have bought the S-400 I was a huge fan of turkeys actions in Syria becuase it undermines assad the Russians and Iran, however buying the S-400 like wtf bro .
@@user-dy6ue1jw9p being paronoid of us millitary bases in greece.But probly some money had to be given to russia for some operation they might do in future after we buy the system that might make some turkish products more needed.;)
If you look little upper at map u might see the country we are talking about
@@user-dy6ue1jw9p from my understanding, USA wouldnt sell the defense system for various reasons. I heard Turkish people saying USA wanted full control over the defense systems after they were sold. Turkish and American officers couldnt agree on key points so Turkiye went with russian defense systems because they did not want so many things as USA. Not sure if its true but imagine not selling your ally weapons to defend themselves so hard that they go and buy the weapons from your enemy.
Turkey is a CULTURAL GIANT in it's region. So this fighter is just the tip of a strategic spear.
IMHO
I appreciate you humour!
@@G_Sachs let it go bro, you have 78 comments on this channel and they are all about Turkey. Why are you like this?
@@selimbakirhan I try to open your eyes to understand that:
1. USA F-35 Advanced Electronics and Aviation and Engines and Sensors is not at all comparable with KAAN that is only an Erdogan's peopagandistic toy, a tin skeleton with F-16 engine.
2. That USA Had not objection to sell Patriot Systems to Turkey as did in all other allies countries including Greece. But the clever (read dull) Turkey wanted to aquire the know-how and the bluprints of Patriot System that is of course PROPERTY of the original manufacturer that spend thousands manhours in basic and applied Reserch and Development to make such a diamond. Nobody other Ally of USA was so audacious to ask such unspeakable request. Russia also did not give its know-how of S-400 to the clever anatolian bargains...
It is tragic that after 20 plus years of Erdogans leadership Turkish people and all Turkish parties have been brain-washed with neo-ottoman imperialistic dreams and are so away from the Western Greco-Roman Civilization and Antrhopocentric Values. It is obvious that Turkey with such an attitude will not enter in our European Union of Democratic Countries and soon or later leave NATO Alliance going fully to Asian authoritarian States. It is also clear that NATO after that will gain control of East Thrace and the Straits and the Independent Kurdistan will be a reality in Kurdish occupied now lands.
I usually like to joke around in the internet, but Turkey, and the surrounding regions are different.
>Consider the destructive stupidity of the US and Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is a power vacuum, and who will fill the void? Maybe Turkey?
THAT WOULD BE BETTER THEN THE COMMUNIST CHINESE!!! And the CCP are the ones planning to take over the region... Sad
IMHO
The jet is badass! Congrats turkey
Turkey has done a few innovative things. Tactical usage of drones is one of them. The US has used drones on an operational level, but rarely on a tactical level. Turkey has massively used very small drones in foward area to decisively destroy battlefield area units.
Honest interest. What year?
2018-current
@@perrygiles9123also look at the use of Turkish bayraktar drones in the Armenia - Azerbaijan war in which Turkish drones were successfully used tactically as op mentioned. Also look at the recent conflict in Ethiopia where the government successfully held back rebels using Turkish Bayraktars
@@PFCAhammed Yep. The turkish slavers helped the Azers to finish yet another genocide.
Uhm...the US developed a hand launched tactical drone for ground troops in 2001 and has been in deployment for 20 years.
The concept of having a self sufficient military that can rely solely on the state is smart. Why put your future in the hands of possible enemies? It’s the smart, strong, right thing to do. That way your future is always in your hands. Not someone else’s.
Yes, also don't be a victim to whimsical foreign politics.
Congrats Turkiye Air Force from Jordan.
This looks like a case of Turkey doing what's best for Turkey. Good for them. Every country that can afford it should seek self-sufficiency when it comes to energy production, water & food supply, and self-defense.
Turkey has not serious Energy sources and this is the major problem of them. They try to solve it by booling and intruding illegaly without success to the EEZ waters of Democracy of Cyprus or Greece. Greek pilots of F-16 Vipers and Rafales, the Greek Navy ships and the silent killers of the deep the greek undetectable submarines U-214, the greek Leopards 2HEL plus the greek attack Appache Hellicopters and Kiowa wait for the turkish "mistake". Greek Army is capable for destroying the dreams of turkish militarism about "blue homeland" and crashing the "prestige" of the "second strongest army of NATO" who have gain "expirience" fighting only with weak Syrians or Libyan or Kurds guerillas and african tribes while the mean IQ index of a mean turkish soldier is only the one third of a mean greek soldier not to mention the Greek Special Forces and Greek SEALS units (OYK) the nightmare of any would-be intruder.
Turkey has not serious Energy sources and this is the major problem of them. They try to solve it by booling and intruding illegaly without success to the EEZ waters of Democracy of Cyprus or Greece. Greek pilots of F-16 Vipers and Rafales, the Greek Navy ships and the silent killers of the deep the greek undetectable submarines U-214, the greek Leopards 2HEL plus the greek attack Appache Hellicopters and Kiowa wait for the turkish "mistake". Greek Army is capable for destroying the dreams of turkish militarism about "blue homeland" and crashing the "prestige" of the "second strongest army of NATO" who have gain "expirience" fighting only with weak Syrians or Libyan or Kurds guerillas and african tribes while the mean IQ index of a mean turkish soldier is only the one third of a mean greek soldier not to mention the Greek Special Forces and Greek SEALS units (OYK) the nightmare of any would-be intruder.
Turkey has gone a long way developing her own weapons as they should and it's also beneficial in the long run. Obviously this specific project has a long way to go but it's on the right track.
Ah yes, their currency in the shitter, with Turkish maids begging us Europeans to give them Euros
But you do go own how investing billions in fancy toys is "beneficial".
It is not entirely Turkish. The British helped.
Reuters
" NATO member Turkey launched its TF-X project to produce a national combat aircraft in 2016. Turkish aerospace firm TUSAS signed a deal with Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L), opens new tab worth $125 million in 2017 to develop the next-generation fighter jet. "
@@cosmoray9750hepsi yalan onlar iptal oldu😂😂
@@cosmoray9750 They did get design assistance, but all is made by Turkish Aerospace Industry.
This was one of the most objective and informative videos I have watched about KAAN from a foreign source. Well done, and salutations from Türkiye.
Let's clarify one point: Türkiye initially sought to purchase a US air defense system, but its request was denied. Subsequently, Türkiye explored other options and eventually procured a system from Russia. It appears that the US used what many perceive as a questionable justification to remove Türkiye from the F-35 program.
This is half true. USA DID NOT REFUSE TO SELL PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEMS to Turkey. The "clever" (read dull) Turkey wanted to steal the Know-how and blueprints from the original manufacturer who have spent years of Research and Development for such an artifact of modern American Science and Technology. All other allies of USA had no problem aquiring the systems. Only Turkey had the "anatolian bargaining" as usually in her attitude. So Turkey sees wrongly her dimension in a perversive mirror as longer than the actual dimension. No more turkish lies with Americans and Europeans missile systems.
The Americans offered the Patriots, the Turks wanted the blueprints in order to produce their own Patriots, the Americans refused, and the Turks bought the S-400 which they cannot use right now or else they won't even get F-16's, and they got kicked out of the F-35's too. Smart move! Does your Sultan also manage the Turkish economy that well? The hell he does!!!
With Russia steadily antagonizing their former republics and partners, new markets for Turkish defence systems can open up in the Central Asian republics and in Georgia. Central Asia has already established very friendly relationships with Turkey due to the common Turkic historic and cultural heritage. They have already formed an Organization of Turkic States, with even Hungary as an observer state. With Turkey becoming a major weapon producer, their influence over the other Turkic states will only grow.
Bayraktar was a young guy when he finished his education in MIT came to turkey and said to president "give me 20 years and turkey will be one of the top drone countries in the world"
You are completely wrong, Bayraktar’s father was rich, he is not so smart, he finished the private schools with his Fathers money. Drones was an already decision of Turkish Council to develop drones before president Erdogan. Havelsan Aselsan example they did Anka, Poyraz, Aksungur models already. But Bayraktar was promoted only by Erdogan’s disgusting propaganda, because he got married to his daughter and now they found another way of getting rich with this propaganda. Havelsan Aselsan Tusas, these units were established in 80s and 90s they started to develop drones as well.
Surely the specs won't get leaked on the Warthunder forums
Turks are huge gamers btw.
@@berry292 Confirmed then lmao
@@berry292nah forget gaming, the bayraktar and Kaan was already a gamer move
Only when there is a Turkish tech tree in WT
Not a matter of if only when
Turkish tech is premium quality and unique .. everyone will see soon
Premium? Yes, banana del monte quality 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭
Greetings to all Turks around the world more than 500.000.000 people also who live in Turkiye and feel Turk.. strong at home , strong at the world..
The name "Kaan" is itself has roots in the name "Khan" (as in Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan). Needless to say, the Star Trek movie with Captain Kirk screaming "KHAN!!!!" comes to mind when I hear the name of this aircraft.
Actually it is not Khan, that is the european form. Turks and mongols say Hkan. Atleast in modern times. Yes Kaan is Khan. Another form is Kagan and Hakan might be the same.
Turks came from Mongolia that's why
@@BobInGreek mongolia were whole asia and middle east while seljuk turks were already in anatolia so no turks did not came from mongolia but they have similar culture. But only as similar as polish to russian and ukrainian. Different but similar in some ways
@@ibks640 I gave the basics without going into depth. İ know my history
@@ibks640 sorry if i sounded bit passive aggressive
Being part of the middle east, being self-sufficient is a very smart idea for Turkey. Especially in situations where foreign support shifts constantly.
its not in the middle East mate ...half European half Asia
@@sir_spenj3465 It is. It's west Asia, which most people call middle east. It's only half Europe because it borders Europe and is heavily influenced by it.
@@DanDaFreakinManActually not just borders bro, Istanbul is half Asian half Europe city literally when you look at as continent (+ 3 other more cities with Istanbul) but I agree Turkey's location is called Middle East.
Plus: if you ever visit Istanbul, you can even feel the difference between Asia and Europe side with like half hour drive or ferry, its a weird feeling in a good way😅
@@closery yeah it's one of those countries that kinda cross continents, like Russia and Egypt.
Yeah, sure. As if Iran, Iraq or Syria are about to invade Turkey anytime now! Turkey needs to be self-sufficient in earthquake resistant homes right now, but dreams of useless airplanes against imaginary enemies. Unless if they plan to invade Israel, something that shall give a good laugh to everybody...
There is always room for competition in the air industry. It keeps everybody on their toes and inspires innovation.
Good luck Turkey 🇹🇷 ❤
Honestly I respect Turkey for this. I also like the twin engines.
Personally I like US allies having a domestic military industry. It makes meeting the GDP requirement for NATO to stay in country and help build domestic capabilities instead of losing money overseas.
We r not ur ally 🇹🇷
keep coping
@@cenk714
@@cenk714 Turkey is a part of NATO. The US and Turkey are factually allies.
The US has missile bases in Turkey. Turkey assisted the US in the Afghan War.
The two countries have been allies for a long time now. Just because you may not personally like America doesn't change the facts.
When was the last time Turkey actually WASN'T an ally to the US? World War 1, when you guys were the Ottoman Empire?
@@MecawallaceTürklerin 100/98 natoyu istemiyor nato ülkemize sadece silah satıyor ve gelişmemizi engelliyordu gerektiğindede silah vermiyordu geç kalsakta farkına vardılar asya silah ve gelişme bakımından avrupa abd den daha faydalı bizim için emin ol
@@Mecawallace and WW2
This fighter jet from Turkey looks like a real delight
Lol it's a Turkish Delight 😂
🤣
Baklava tastes better :D
This comment killed me 😂😂😂
As a Turkish I appriciate the objective review on both sides. This was very informative thank you
Chris, Turkey is a kind of bird. If you're referring to the country, they start using Türkiye. That's the correct way to name their country respectfully.
Why are you so sesitive on names? It's just a name similarity. English name of Turkiye is "Turkey". It is nothing more than this.
@@TimothyClarksonJr No it is officially "Turkiye" last 2 years
@@selcuktunal7501 in diplomacy yes, but languages is living cultures among people. It takes time to accept such forces. However you have not answered my question.
@@TimothyClarksonJr what is your question
@@selcuktunal7501 follow the question mark.
"We've got F-22s at home."
The F22 at home: KF21 and the turkish F22
This sounds like heresy, but the Kaan has more sensual lines than the F22. This bird is a total smoke show
I've seen a Chinese car that looks like a BMW still doesn't make it one , same here.
to be fair, since what a knock-off from the original concept is F-22, any propperly done attempt to do what it aimed to do is going to be better.
with old F16 engines
Can’t blame them for wanting to build their own shit! Allies can quickly become adversaries, so relying on other countries for all of your military tech is a huge L
Exporting your military tech to countries that have proven to be friends with your adversaries or at least shown a propensity to be sympathizers to your adversaries, is also an L. Goes both ways, you stand more to lose giving away your tech than you do purchasing it. How ironic would it be if we gave Turkey F-35’s, just for them to get turned on us or handed over to Iran or Russia? No thanks.
"their own" lmao good one.
This is using American engines, sensors, computers, radars, etc.
This is basically a turkish wrapper on an American product.
@@rock3tcatU233You mean like in a global economy? Nobody is building everything! It is still a big achievement to build a jet, even if the engine comes from somewhere else. Just as the chemicals, the materials, the machines, ... almost everything in the world has parts from somewhere else. That's how a globalized economy works and that's why we can build things cheaply.
Jesus Christ, why would you complain about that? Aren't western nations importing everything from China?
@@rock3tcatU233 In the end America is MVP
@@rock3tcatU233the only thing bought from america is the engine and the only thing bought from england is the ejection seat. american engines will only be used in 20 aircraft. since these engines are already 4 generation engines in these engines, domestic 5 generation engine studies have started, it is planned to catch up with the serial production date of the aircraft, only the ejection seat remains. you have given us a lot of experience by making us produce f-16 and f-35 parts for years and now we can do most things locally.
F-22 vs KAAN
Wing area: 78m^2 vs 60m^2
Aspect Ratio: 2.36 vs 3.2
Span: 13.56 m vs 14 m
Length: 18.92m vs 21m
Height: 5.08m vs 6m
Empty Weight: 19.7t vs 14.15t
Fuel Weight: 8.2t vs 8t
Weapons: 2 AIM-9X, 6 AMRAAM vs MRAAM, SRAAM, Meteor
Gross Weight: 29.4t vs 27.2t
Combat weight: 25.2t vs 23.2t
G limit: +9 vs +9 -3.5
Service Ceiling: 65,000+ft vs 55,000ft
Sensors: AESA radar, IFF, Datalink, JTIDS vs AESA, EO, IRST
Max reach: 2.25 vs 1.8
F-22 looks slightly better. And its also Turkiye's first fighter jet. Over years and developments they can make it better and even maybe best
I don't need "both sides" on the F35 dispute. I have already heard enough of the American side. In fact, I have only been hearing American side for all previous years. Then I learned that Turkey decided to acquire S400 after Pentagon declined to sell "Patriots".
You say half the truth. USA did not refuse to sell Patriot missile to Turkey. But clever Turkey wanted to take free of charge the industrial know-how and blueprints of the weapon which is unacceptable for the Owner USA of the Science and Technology behind this artifact.
@@G_Sachs it still means America has only itself to blame for losing ally after ally.
@@dulat USA does not need such double-faced "ally" that support Russia expansionism, that creates obstacles to new NATO members, that supported Islamic terrorism of barbaric ISIS, that makes booling to Greece and Cyprus and provokes Israel by supporting terrorism of Hamas and Hezbollah etc etc
A dark hand that does not withstand the TRUTH has erased my answers to the lies of neo- Ottomans expansionists
Who really believes that KAAN is a 5th generation stealth fighter comparable to American or European diamonds as the F-35 or F-22 or Rafale or Eurofighter or even F-16 Viper? Nobody but only ignorant people who like the nationalistic dreams served to them by similar turkish propaganda service! Yes it is a plane "5th generation" ala turka definition...
That’s not an excuse to breach contract with a foreign government. If turkey wants to buy a foreign air defense system, they have the right. I’m glad they’re making their own.
It was just an excuse and the real purpose was different.
Did you missed the reason or you're just a dick?
It was a bluff. USA refused to sell AA systems, Despite screaming everywhere how Turkey is one of the most important regional allies of theirs.
So, Erdogan went for S400 as a power move.
Trump then not only kicked Turkey from F35 program, But also refused to return the money they took for the orders for finished F35's. Instead forcefully selling us their old F16's.
It backfired, but at least in the long run Turkey wont need to *beg* for AA systems nor Jets from their so called allies.
Selam Aleykum ! 313 ❤
Before the S400, Türkiye wanted to buy pattriots for a long time and US didn’t give them. So that was necessary to get an air defense and they decided to buy someone else. US left Turkiye alone on this and paying the price.
“Turkish Delight”😂😂. I need some of those snacks!
Inferior to Tourist Delight
@@Legitpenguins99 inferior to Berry De light
Nom nom nom
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Former US President Donald Trump announced that the Terrorist Organization ISIS was founded by former US President Obama.
Using ISIS as an excuse in Syria and Iraq, the USA is arming the PKK/PYD terrorist organization in Syria under the so-called "Fight against ISIS Terrorism". Would a real State cooperate with a Terrorist organization?
Aren't Türkiye and the USA both allies in NATO? WHAT KIND OF ALLYMENT UNDERSTANDING IS THE USA'S aid to the PKK/PYD terrorist organization, which carries out separatist activities against Türkiye?
Mostly people dont know That Turkey was working by F35 and F22 Jet engine. They are able to build self jet engine for Kaan fighter jet and could be not only 5. Generation could be 5.5 generation and 6. Generation fighter jet.
That is the realty that world dont know about it
They showed allready thems power and independent.
Be proud Turkey.
You have to wake up from turkish propaganda myths, when you go to buy in a supermarket and realize that genteel poverty is not enough to feed your famiy.
We Turkish people have an idiom regarding this topic, “Bad landlord makes you buy a home”
Back in the 90's I visited many Turkish companies in the arms business. One was making AIM-9 Sidewinder missile parts which were shipped to the US for incorporation in production there. Nice productions line, high attention to quality processes and a lot of pride. One thing I can assure you about Turks: They are get up and get going people. 12 hour work days all year long are considered normal regardless of "rank" in the co.
You are describing the great civilized western world some decades ago. Nowadays, you guys brought yourselves in to a situation discussing whether a man can be a woman. Best wishes for you to wake up from a Turk. Peace
We work even on weekends, this is called overtime, we are given extra money, we cannot object if the boss says you will have to work overtime, we have a maximum of two weeks of leave a year, we use it one week in winter and one week in summer, we are a nation accustomed to working.
@@huggy2-tc9ke Great: I hope you get accustomed to electing better government.
@@AlanTheBeast100 😂 the comment I was looking for
@@AlanTheBeast100 I did not choose the government, it has existed since I was born, in all the choices I have made, the government never falls, I have to work instead of crying to live
Just add the KAAN to War Thunder, start an argument online about it and all the details will become available within 6 months.
hahaha 😀
Ah yes the path to real truth! Start an argument! 😂
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They have always been a martial country for a reason
we got to, sadly. the location sucks
Fighter contracts create communities. It's pretty awesome to be a kid during an aerospace boom. My Dad and all His Friends were in aerospace. They'd talk about the Space Shuttle project, fighter planes, missiles, all stuff a kid could sit and listen to (trying to understand the conversations).
Elon musk ruined my perception around space travel. Brought my hopes up of planet colonisation then failed to deliver. Just a showman
@@Alastair_Adana Completely.
You guys should feel the same way about NASA then. But I doubt it.
@@michaelbread5906 Watched a whole bunch of moon shots and shuttle launches. NASA isn't really NASA anymore.
It also gives away technology to others. That's not good
Can we all appreciate that Turkey has a better 5th gen fighter then Russia
What 5th gen figther does Russia have? Su-57 is fourth gen.
I think not.
I'm from Turkey but your comment sounds like ideological nonsense.
Bu yazıyı okuyunca gülmeden geçemedim ! Su 57 KAAN ‘nın rakibi olması imkansız, esas Komedi KAAN tam olarak 5 sene sonra hazır olduğunda , F22 nin durumu ne olacak ? çünkü Dünya genelinde hiç bir yerde yetkinliğini kanıtlayamamış şişirilmiş bir balondan ibaret sadece efsane birde eski Teknoloji ile üretilmiş bir Uçak , ama KAAN son derece son Teknolojiye sahip bir Savaşçı olarak ortaya çıktığında gerçek anlamda bir Türk Lokumu ( Türkis delight ) işte o zaman kimin daha iyi bir savaşçı olduğunu göreceğiz yaşayacağız. Sonucu ben size şimdiden söyleyeyim Tabiki KAAN !
Based on what ?
You pointed out that attempting to make something difficult like a stealth jet has benefits to the technology base of a country. The US has been living off of the Cold War technology base for 60 years. It is difficult to name a single cash cow technology that sets the US ahead of the world that ISN'T descended from a Cold War military program. That is a tiny little fact that the "let's spend all of our money on our domestic programs" people are completely ignorant of. And trying to tell them will start a yelling match.
KF-21 'Boramae' successfully conducted its first live fire of the medium-range air-to-air missile 'Meteor' on May 8.
According to the defense industry on the 8th, the KF-21 equipped with Meteor took off from Sacheon Airport at 11:45 am on this day and waited in the air, successfully launched at 12:20 pm and returned at 12:47 pm.
With this, the Boramae became the world's fourth fighter jet to successfully conduct a Meteor live-fire, following the Eurofighter, Rafale, and Gripen. Previously, Boramae successfully conducted an armament separation test for the Meteor test projectile last year.
The live fire was carried out by tracking the unmanned aerial vehicle 87km away with the AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar mounted on the aircraft and firing a Meteor to pass by within 1m next to the unmanned aerial vehicle.
With the successful live-fire of the Meteor, the KF-21 proved its long-distance detection and shoot-down capabilities.
On May 2nd, KF-21 broke through Mach 1.8 for the first time, faster than the US F-35.
It is equipped with 40% domestically produced engines from the US aircraft carrier F-18 Super Hornet, and its instantaneous thrust is equivalent to the pulling force of 44,000 horses.
So far, the aircraft's stability and missile operation have been tested by flying at low speeds of 400 to 800 km per hour, and it was confirmed that the aircraft's maximum speed of Mach 1.8 was exceeded for the first time during a test flight on the 2nd.
Mach 1.8, which is nearly twice the speed of sound, is 2,200 km/h, which is faster than not only the domestically produced fighter FA-50, but also the F-35A, a strategic asset of our Air Force introduced from the United States.
I'm willing to bet that this jet has more potential than the J-20 at least, and the Felon isn't really that stealthy, from what I've heard. The KAAN looks like an F-35 and F-22 jumped into bed together and this was the result.
I doubt it. Although I'm sure they were flaunt it like it is on par with the F 35. In fact I think they already have.
I'm glad we didn't sell systems to them. Turkeys only cares for Turkey, and will make deals with your enemy.
They care not about anything unless it effects them, and anytime they get any leverage they use it.
I have no doubts they'd give F 35 secrets to Russia in exchange for something.
J-20 😂😂 ain't a real fighter jet. That's a very low bar.
@@JohnJaneson2449 No, but a big deal is made about it's supposed stealth capabilities.
"supposed". China is same as Russia. They boast much. Neither china nor russia have 5th gen fighter. Lot's of countries nowadays can make an airframe and slap some engine and TFT display into it.
Devil is in the detail. Radar range, weapons range, connectivity, real stealth with actual load, etc. Either it has it all or it's just another expensive dog fight toy.
Yes
Captain Kirk hated this plane name choice
Kaaaaaan!!!!!!!!!
I think Captain Kirk already knows 5th Gen is already out dated by 10 years.
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@@gazzamc1255 That's not how it works
Turkey builds kebabs and makes fake clothing that's all
The most realistic video I've seen on this subject in a long time. thx man
7:16 Turkey asked for American defense missiles and the US never responded positively. All the NATO allies’ doors were closed in front of Turkey even if they have genuine issues and have to defend themselves against Iran militias, Kurdish Terrorists, Armenia and others.
Then, Turkey had either Russian or Chinese missiles options and they went for the Russian option as there are NATO countries already using them today (Greece and few European East block countries).
The fun part is that they have received a very agressive response from their western NATO “allies”. It’s like we are not selling you the missiles, you can’t buy them from our enemies (even if we allow some of our allies to do it) and also, you can’t manufacture them inland. You need to stay easily accessible to your enemies.
With its prominent NATO “allies”, Turkey will never lack enemies.
The US responded positively, but Turkey didn't just want the Patriots, they also wanted the blueprints for building Patriots on their own. Other NATO countries have the S-300 variant, not the S-400 variant which was designed to track the F-35's.
@@Sikader as Turkey is already trusted by the USA to build the whole F16 (except the engine and few parts). Why the US didn’t want them to be able to build parts of the Patriot home. They didn’t ask the whole patriot system as none is stupid enough to do that….also, the speed of the deployment of the patriot system has always followed the mood of those in Washington and other capitals, not at all factoring the urgent needs to protect Turkish civilians in their southern borders. So, as any leader would do, it’s completely justifiably that Turkish leaders tried to go the path of local manufacturing of air defense systems.
On the S-400, that was a desperation moved from Turkey and they have provided all the guarantees that the US could have asked for. Knowing that the S-400 is only rumored to have F35 tracking which is very unlikely as the tech in it is a bit old. Also, Russia didn’t sell S-300 AFAIK and the S-300 weren’t going to fill the need.
In short, a deeply rooted mistrust from US and European allies towards Turkey has been very visible for everyone to see. Not unexpected but sad given all the sacrifices that Turkey has done for the allies especially in the Cold War.
@@Sikader the US was already mad at turkey and wanted to kicked them out of the 5th gen program but needed a reason for it, it threatened them many time before they finally did it for many reason eventually forcing them to buy other air system to get a reason to kick them.
because working in 5th gen and buying s400 which is design to beat 5th gen is a security risk.
Maybe if Turkey apologized for the Armenian genocide and stopped trying to use their weapons to kill Kurdish civilians in order countries and stopped trying to displace Kurds in their own country the civilized world would be more willing to cooperate with them
@@calebbearup4282GERÇEK KATLİAMI HEP BATILI ÜLKELER YAPMIŞTIR. ERMENİ KARLİAMI YALANI İLE TÜRKİYE BASKI YAPMAK KENDİ KATLİAMINIZI GİZLEMEKTEN ÖTEYE GİTMEZ.
The front is looking like an f-22 and the rear is looking like an su-57.
thesis,
antithesis,
synthesis.
when you want to make a jet both stealth and as aerodynamic as possible, you don't have much design choices
They also have wings similar to the Wright brothers invention.
@@alican903 actually you do. There are plenty of designs, and it's especially apparent with it's backwing designs.
I mean KAAN is clearly just a copy and there's no surprise there and nothing to really be ashamed of. It's just the way it is and no other ways it could have been done. Turkey has no experience in producing those planes. When you have no experience in building fighter jet planes, you have to start from something, your only option is to copy.
@@alican903you do if you let your imagination run unchecked
My RAM Van was built in Istanbul Turkey. They did a great job!
If its the Van im thinking of, the one thats based on the Fiat Doblo platform, im sorry but they're not built in Istanbul but built in the Fiat factory located in Bursa Turkey. Bursa is one of the main industrial cities of Turkey especially specializing in the Automotive industry.
@@tolgahk84 that's Tofas Factory, not Fiat factory. Tofas is perma engineering integrator for R&D's of Fiat + Koc Group is share holder for Stellantis. Learn your lesson before speaking.
@@engizkavak2082 It might be the Tofaş factory BUT many Fiats are built in the Bursa factory along side a few other models for Citroen and Opel/Vauxhall. Tofaş was originally a joint venture between Koç Holdings and Fiat. By the way Stellantis is the new name of a merger between the Italian-USA companies Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles and the French PSA Group who owned Peugeot and Citroen so Tofaş is still technically partly owned by Fiat although under a different name.
So before talking to me like a dumbass go do some research of your own of the origins of certain companies before dribbling shit you don't know about
One thing that scares the fuck out of me is some of the ads i get, i get ads for stuff that i THOUGHT about, but never said anything about it out loud, nor did i do a search for it. Now that is a bit concerning...
The embargo because Cyprus started around 1975
But in overall, it is a very good summary of the story.
People says it looks like f22. Actually all stealth jets look like each other. Because of geometric restrictions. Most stealth design is LAMBDA design but lambda desing hasn't got vertical stabilizators which make it less maneveurable. Second most stealth design is diamond design. Stealth fighter jets uses cropped diamond design with vertical stabilizators for better maneuverability.
I just returned from Turkey yesterday on a training trip for the company I work for.
They are a very smart and hardworking group of people. And they are fiercely proud.
God bless America 🇺🇸
may I ask which industry if this is not too private.
Tanrı dünyayı Amerika'dan korusun
@@SemihDag-pl3tjyes heheheehh😂
by far the best video online about KAAN and its effect on Turkey and international relations...
Thanks for this full objective perspective video. when I watch it, I cannot say additional single words this totally right and I am Happy to hear that one of foreign understand us!
They don’t want to be in trouble and the US turn the key off their airplanes…I don’t blame them at all
No plane have keys to turn off but they can cut spare part shipments to make them useless
@@tezcanuyank3446 The US can most likely make any F-35 unusable via satellite.
They are developing their own stealth plane because Turkey have been snubbed by the USA from buying the F-35. It’s in the video. The Turks are in NATO. But they buy Russian stuff too. This didn’t instill confidence in the USA so they weren’t allowed to buy the F-35. The U.S. didn’t want to fall in a situation like they did with the F-14 tomcat. They sold a bunch to Iran when they were a “democracy “. Then Iran returned to the stone ages with their Ayatollah government. So we stopped using the Tomcat.
@@tezcanuyank3446they most certainly do.
@@marble25
Only 2 countries on earth besides the US are not subject to having to receive a code to fly their lightning 2s. Britain and Israel. Everyone else requires a code from the US or Lockheed to fly it. And I wouldn't be surprised if it could be cut off mid-flight.
This is block 0 a prototype. TAI is working on 2 more prototypes for conducting various tests. Kaan won't be a 5th gen jet right off the bat. It will be 4.5th gen to start with when Block 10 comes out sometime in 2028 and eventually, it will evolve into 5th gen in 2030. The most important thing is the indigenous jet engine that is being developed at the moment.
Do you any link for the development of the jet engine
@@zb2192 TEI developed smaller sized jet engines. For example, TF 6000 turbofan, TS 1400 turboshaft. They gained experience to make something bigger. TEI produces many engine parts for General Electric. I think they can make an engine for Kaan.
Cool
Jet engines take years to develop, in the interim, Turkey should buy some Russian engines, the IZDELIYE 30 is a brand new Russian engine that was developed for the heavy su--57 and would give the lighter Kaan a huge speed advantage over most opponents. Of course it may not fit the Kaan or Russia may not wish to sell, however they are already selling the s--400 to Turkey, so they may sell jet engines.
@@johnbodman4504We want to fly the jet, Not blow it into pieces :D
US : Since you brought some S400s, we ain't selling you F35s
Türkiye : ok, hold my döner
Not to forget Turkey turn to the King of UAV's.The ANKA 3 and the Kızılelma has jet engines, low radar crossections and an AI. They will go to on a mission with the pilot of the KAAN together which turn the KAAN to an almost 6th Gen fighter. Maybe the term Gen 5.5 is much more accurate.
That is being... very generous. All of that stuff is the definition of a 5th-gen fighter, we have yet to see anyone really develop a 6th-gen jet. And if someone does, it will either be the Tempest program, the US, or China. Türkie's aerospace industry is good, and growing fast, but it's still very far from 6th gen.
@@atomf9143 Turkish Aerospace will reach 6th gen capabilities once they operationalise 5th gen fighters.
@@atomf9143 As a Turk I do agree with you. We may be developing 5th gen tech that has resembles the features of 6th gen but this aircraft will take a long time to enter service. And after that it will take even longer to get a 6th gen project, we got a long way to go just like our allies. I also believe that the Tempest program will probably be the first to be finished as it seems to be the most promising project currently
as a malaysia we proud of you brotherrrr ,salamm from malaysiaaaaa for turkiyee ,huraaaaaaaaa turkiyee is anmazing half europe asia ,making they aircraft is the good idea cause only turkiye in islam country can do it as a development islam country and rich culture and good relation with east adn west world and nato member ,turkiye have they ability to build anything like weapon vehichle combat and any else even malaysia my counbtry also use turkiye product of military
omg, now I want nasi lemak. Why do you make is so delicious???? 🤤
@@JohnJaneson2449 yes, because the rice is filled with ingredients that make me taste like coconut milk and banana leaves and then doapdandan with round egg anchovies and spicy tamarind sauce which is very tempting if you think about it and can be eaten with chicken dishes
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Tank you bro 🇹🇷💕🇲🇾
@@Teymen34 yaa beside turkiye food also have in any country especially in japan which is hard to find halal food
BRAVOS TURKEY SMART THINKING GENIUS CREATIONS ENGINEERING INVENTORY OF MODERN SCIENTISTS AND INVENTORY OF MODERN WEAPONS FOR SELF DEFENSE PURPOSES FOR THE COUNTRY.
YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL COUNTR FRIENDS WITH ISLAMICS COUNTRIES
Alhamdullillah
Ameen
Thank you but we are not an Islamic country.
Informative, detailed, objective review, tnx for the effort.
I thik even if Turkiye do not succeeded to reach or be close to fifth generstion or meet the standard and technology that china Russia and USA I think Turkiye has done great job
Take in consideration that its country with no experience
in this field and is under the western sanction that make them spendore time efforts and money to reach the right technology more over the country is ungergo a hard economy crisis nut inspire of all those obstructions and hard circumstances
They succeed to jumped from Zero to fifth Generation or something close to fifth generation
I see this a msrcle and turkish are more than genius.
This is more than great work
Not true. I think you underestimate Turkeys aircraft industry. They are producing f16s since decades; Same with a lot of F35 parts before US cut them off (some contracts are even running until today). They are just building their own designed, modern 5gen military aircraft for the first time.
i am amazed by the knowledge and research behind the making of this video. well done. hello from Turkiye.
bro i dont know why but youtube insistly suggest this video about 5 days in a row. now im watching :D
1:46 ...red 5th generation broomstick holding the canopy!!!
One of the most objective videos Ive seen on this channel and about the topic. Keep up the good work, sincerely, from Turkey.
Abi sizin kusunuz kalkiyormu 🤓
It's interesting how it looks so much like an F-22.....
almost like the details were leaked....
Convergent design. There's only so many designs layouts that balance stealth, aerodynamics, and weapon/fuel carrying capabilities.
Same thing why the Boeing X-37 is a mini Space Shuttle, or why the majority of modern airliners look similar.
its almost if aero & stealth designs have to follow principles...
The hell you say China did not sell them that😮
Reason 1: The F-22 is already available, it can be seen with the human eyes and an aviation engineer can prolly guesstimate the things in the making.
Reason 2: There are some guesstimation already available on the internet, they might not be 100% declassified but their pretty well accepted by the general audience.
Reason 3: Physics is the natural enemy of creativity.
The manufacturer is TUSAS... please check it out, my brothers. KAAN is not the first jet the company flies. Previously, it produced and flew +500 jet planes... None of them had the landing gear open :) Be sure that KAAN will be a great plane in 2028. The KAAN plane is a valuable but expendable product for TUSAS. Experience is enough….. The factory and people who made this made +420 F16s in 20 years. They built the small jet HürJet and flew it. They built the propeller-driven HürKuş plane, flew it and sold it to 5 countries. They built and sold 150 "Anka" and "Aksungur" Male class combat drone, i.e. an unmanned aerial vehicle (UCAV). They built 140 "Atak" attack helicopters and sold them to 5 countries. They flew the delta wing Anka 3 unmanned aerial vehicle... Now they are making KAAn. And KAAN, rest assured, this is not the first jet they made. The 500th jet plane built by KAAN TAİ... Additionally, the second prototype will fly in 6 months. Prototype 2 will be a 2 m shorter and much thinner aircraft. So it will develop.
Fantastic and wonderful and amazing and superb report, your report is very detailed and very comprehensive, congratulations for the Turkish government and engineers achievements
I really do hope the kaan succeeds because it would both be so cool but also super interesting to learn about