First Start after Rebuilding a 1915 V8! 1913 Design Ferro/Scripps Racing Engine Part 3 w Alan Travis
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- This is part 3 of an engine building series of a 1915 example of Ferro/Scripps-Booth V8 Marine Racing Engine (first designed and built in 1913), presently owned and cared for by Alan Travis in Scottsdale AZ USA
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I just finished reading about this car in the Hemmings antique car magazine. Wonderful car it runs beautiful.
It's easy to see why Alan is proud of this magnificent and beautiful machine.
Absolutely
This sort of thing is sorely unappreciated and unrepresented on CZcams. Even finding info about these cars through rare old books is difficult, Thank you so much for this.
Thank you, yes, documenting history on these things is definitely one of the goals of this channel. Thank you for understanding that and joining in!
I think that one of the problems with cars as old as this one is that those that had this car as their hero when they were young... are no longer around.
As a child of the 1980s its SO hard to find info about early stuff like this.BUT i love it. Aero marine engines of the time where so interesting
@jorgendnilsson figure that out all by yourself did ya? I mean surley once every generation dies off more ppl like the stuff they did right?/s Haha
If somebody needs a new spark plug in the next few hundred years, it'll be in a bag in the back. Ha ha I love it. Alan Travis is a delight to listen to and his smile has to win over any and all hearts.
So true - that’s Alan! Thanks for your kind comment.
84yo. Really enjoyed finding this clip. For the generations!
So glad you enjoyed it and great to have you along
My goodness, absolutely stunning race car with beautiful sound
These early engineers were amazing, no cnc, just skill and thought
The automobiles back then were beautiful works of art 👍
Brilliant video and what a great guy. When guys like this own cars like these it is for the betterment of the car. So pleased this car ended up in his garage.
That is the best sounding V8 i have ever heard.
Impressive,
Thank you Sir!
Unique Car,,,, Unique Gentleman.... thank you Sir for sharing your automobile and knowledge as well. Scotty in Alabama 😎
Great to have you along, thanks for your comment, Scotty!
Sounds great! That thing is going to tear ass.
Very interesting thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching
Great look at a fascinating early racing engine. Regarding the water in the intake Ford had plates under the carburetors on the Thrift 6 and the Y blocks in the 60s
Amazing cars back in the day( and currently)) great in depth explanation👌
Glad you liked it!
Sounds awesome!
What a great modern engine for those days!
It really was! Thanks for watching
@@BarryTsGarage Very modern in comparision with the 1932 V8 Ford flathead, but not so modern as you think in comparision with the all first V8, made by Léon Levavasseur in 1903, but Levavasseurs engines was for aircrafts...
Alan you are a Guru! I love old cars and watch all the videos I can find but rarely do I find someone who has such a well researched, relatable, non-aggressive, comprehensive tutorial. I love your drag approach to wearing an engine in. Commonly babbiit engines and electric brushes are worn in before applying power so why not use the same approach to piston engines?
Wow, thanks! I will pass this on to Alan!
Goodness gracious!!! Professor!!! Obviously you’d not want to start it!! My Guru!!!! I just need a close spot for my airstream and I will intern for this amazing gentleman for my board!! Goodness gracious I can’t believe how incredible a master minded mechanical man he is!!! Just an incredible gentleman to have that opportunity to actually learn from would be an incredible opportunity and you’d never touch the incredible amount of knowledge and experience you can glean from a couple years assisting someone like that!!! Reminds me of my grandpa who welded together The Spirit of St. Louis…. Ralph! Just an incredible amount of respect and love!!! Taking the time on one’s life to restore the past and to respect the original people and their work enough to improve but not remove the original character or change their original design but to creativity improve their beautiful design… those washers with the O-rings are just lovely!!
Thank you so much!
I’d work for that gentleman for 20 hours a week for the rest of my life to have that incredible machine!!! I’m absolutely in awe of that incredible machine
Thank you for your kind words
Wow!! Thank you for these videos, such a treat
Glad you like them!
Thank you for sharing this with us!
Glad you enjoyed it!
U can use a timing light on stuff like that, theirs an adapter u put between plug and wire then hook timing light to adapter.
That’s cool.
What s lovely piece of machinery.
🙏
That’s hilarious the strangler I almost fell in the floor laughing great job guys beautiful car thanks for sharing
Me too - when Alan started with that I’m like “What??”
It sounds really great!
Quite a remarkable car and owner!
I love the voice of reason,...Im subscribed.
Thank you!
Dam lets impressive. Mechanical art at its finest. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
BEAUTIFUL ! I grew up in the Briggs Cunninghams Museum in the late 70s in costa mesa Cali and got to see work and polish the most amazing vehicles and met amazing people i know so mush about the heritage of fine cars from around the world thank you for your videos , i keep the old stuff going but mainly older bikes , that where you are looks alot like AJ AZ Where i had a home for years , thanks again
Glad you enjoyed it!
Whow. I used to visit the Cunningham Museum regularly in the 70s. It was one of the best auto museums I have visited. And I have been in quite a few. Some very rare, some just plain beautiful, all very well maintained. I read in Road&Track that every car was driven regularly. Such a lucky guy to have the opportunity to live with those autos.
What a beauty!
Wow. Alan has a modern digital thermal analyzer.
I stand corrected. Looks like he has nine or ten of 'em.
😂😂 yes - just what I thought, too!
Had to watch this again just to listen how smooth the V8. Thanks. A person has a 192? Cadillac with most of a V8.Would that be worth anything??
Fantastic machine
Lovely....and really beautiful
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Wow that's beautiful
Super rad brother. Cool car. Best old engine ever. I thought you were going to put down some skinny stripes for a second.
Haha MAYBE after some proper break-in…. Will do a follow up as soon as…
A good indication of the value of two plugs firing is when the magneto's being tested on an aircraft engine are individually switched off, there is a noticeable drop in the revs when the engine is firing on one magneto.
Also a flathead v8, is still favoured amongst enthusiasts as the spark plug being in the centre of the bore, like the one shown here, are considerably more efficient , especially so if the pistons are slightly shaped like the back of a bullet, !
That sounds really good
Beautiful race car and sounds absolutely amazing.😎🇨🇦
Thanks!
Wow thanks for resorting this Orson race car
The Edison spark plug has two hexes and I recall either Lodge or KLG brands from England had that feature so that the plug could be taken apart for cleaning. Also, that combustion chamber design is very close to what Morini motorcycle engines from Italy used in the '60s and into the '70s.
Thanks for adding to the description of this!
Yes, I have a Lodge plug for one of my British Seagulls and recognized that construction immediately. They don’t work well without the copper sealing ring inside.
those strippable spark plugs are from the 18mm thread size era
@@raymondo162 The ones I was familiar with were 14mm. We had stocks of them for motorcycles. My DKW and SAAB two-stroke autos had 18mm but had crimped insulators. IIRC, Lodge was considered to have the best porcelain insulators; then NGK seemed to do somehow better.
I had a Moto-Morini back in the early 1970's that was a basket case. I don't remember exactly what size it was, but someone had taken it apart to put new rings in it, and as far as I could tell, wasn't able to get parts for it.. and yes, I do remember the pistons didn't come all the way to the top of the cylinders.😉
Spark plug explained. Thank you.
You're welcome! thanks for joining us!
GREAT STUFF THANKS
Glad you enjoyed it
This video is so cool!! However that water/air + fuel intake combo scares me haha
I was surprised to learn about that!
@@BarryTsGarage Yeah almost reminds me of those old mopar air intakes that try and warm the air by running it close to the V
That's cool 👍
Thanks!
Pretty cool 😎👍
good video, informative
After what Allen told us in the last video about balancing and now to see it run it was smooth even when he pressed on the throttle and it sounds sweet!
And I thought it was strange and please correct me if I’m wrong but they thought of everything except a coolant temperature gauge and because it was a racing car I thought that might be kinda important but nevertheless that Car is so ahead of it’s time that it should completely impress all people wether you love automobiles or not 😀🇨🇦
Keith! It is really ahead of its time 👍 - it’s an amazing car I appreciate more every time….
I don’t remember the coolant gauge answer - will have to check back on that!
Now that is a Hot Rod!
Use a vaccum gauge to set timing and the carburetor.
I use this technique engines with a distributor, when a timing light isn't available.
Good general technique. Might be tough to access engine vacuum on this one.
Bet thats a blast to drive if gearbox is decent. Man such a cool engine amd for 1913? Yeah awsomr
The way Alan drives it, it seems like it is far more modern than it has a right to be! Thanks for your support!
My Dad ran booze across Lake Huron during Prohibition. After nearly being caught once, he installed Dow metal listens and rods AND a balanced crank in his Model T truck. Dow Chemical Company made and marketed Magnesium under their trade name of Dow metal.
The Michigan State Police drove cars with V-8's, Cadillac's, I think. Anyway, he said nothing could catch him on the lake after that.
combustion chamber design sounds like Chevy 409
wow that engine looks like two chevrolet fours on a common crank. those engines had the spark plugs in the block too, with open push rods. i think scripps-booth was already a gm car, bought by durant, but chevrolet was a little and a durant. were there common engineers sharing ideas?. while on the mind set, oakland v8 ie vertical valve, and lycoming v8 as in cord, look so similar, with the two plane head. i think they had common engineering. thank you so very interesting
Yes, Chev continued to use this style of combustion chamber in their 6 cyl engine in 1929. the plugs were threaded horizontally into the top of the block just above the TDC of the piston. By 1935 or 36 the compression ratio had been increased & Chev had to go to a smaller diameter 10 mm spark plug to clear the piston. Do you remember the little Honda 50 plugs these cars had?
Like that guy. Watched the buggati he did a while back. Very neat early v8 engine.
That’s great thank you so much… We have plans to do quite a few more videos in the future. I hope you can stay tuned for those!
LOUIS SEMPLE CLARKE, FOUNDER OF THE AUTOCAR AUTOMOTIVE BRAND WAS THE ORIGINAL INVENTOR OF THE CERAMIC INSULATOR IN SPARK PLUGS!
HE ALSO IN HIS EARLIER DAYS, WORKED FOR EDISON!
CLARKE SOLD HIS PATENT TO THE PRESENT CHAMPION SPARK PLUG COMPANY!
Mean Ol' race car. Sounds like a mid to lae sixties NASCAR stockcar. Idles like a smooth beatifully prepped motor
Thank you for that vivid description!
sounds awesome what a work of art
She’s a good lookin racer !
Just a comment: I have built many antique, special interest and performance power plants of many different varieties from small 61 cc ( 1 liter) all the way up to 1,200 cubic inch inline 6 hemi over head cam units. When I set up an engines friction tolerances tight like you mention, I always find a way to pump up oil all through the engine before I ever try to turn it over whether by cranking by hand, with a starter or in cases like yours towing. I make a tool that i can turn the oil pump with a powerful hole hawg or like high hp drill motor. I make sure oil is squeezing and squirting out the rockers, shafts etc for a good minute THEN I start turning the motor over. It stresses a dry, tight freshly build motor a great deal less. I've seen many guys tow engines without the plug like you do to pump them up and spin bearings or spall other friction surfaces. I am sure you probably manually pre lubed everything as you put it together, but I just wanted to comment on my technique. Interesting car you have there. TC BK: Special Interest Autos, Motos and Restorations
A litre =1000c.c. - 61c.c. is 0.061litres
I would be real carefully tightening those plugs.could snap one off
REAL Careful
Those plugs look a LOT like the plugs needed for the 426 Hemi from 1969 etc. I'm sure these amazing men have already done the research on all modern possibilities but even the Hemi plugs are very hard the get.
It's interesting that the crankcase and cylinder block are cast as one because for V engines that was not common then. I suppose it is a small engine so the casting would not have been so hard to control. Ford's flathead V8 had a lot of problems with its castings but that was at a production car level. You can use a timing light on a solid wire type sparkplug lead but it's not a clip-on pulse type My first timing light was two high-tension spark leads connected to a strobe light. One end of the light went on the lead for the plug and the other went on the sparkplug. It was made by AC electrical components. You could not use them out in the daylight because they were not very bright
That’s actually very interesting. Thanks for adding your comment and enriching our channel!
love the older machines,tell the younger guys what they say is new aint,it just has a different package thats shiny and new just like the Edison spark plug with two igniter straps ,think someone makes a dual fire plug ,same thing only years later
also triple point plugs were around in 1960s logoed lodge if'n i remember right
Am I the only one that saw the fuel leak at 15:28?
Very interesting. What a huge achievement.
Unfortunately I didn’t get what the gradiometer is for.
Drivers in that day, especially in these racing or competitive cars, wanted to understand the grade, so they could document which gear they wanted to be in ahead of time, as shifting on the go, was not that quick and easy… thanks for watching and for your comment.
@@BarryTsGarage Thanks so much for your your time and dedication. 👍
Cheers from Berlin
(P.S. Possibly podcasts on Berlin's historical AVUS race track might be interesting for you. 🏁 )
Im surprised a surface gap spark plug wasn't used.
Amazing. If it were my car, I'd fab-up a mechanical ignition timing adjustment arm, make it look as original as possible. IIRC, model T Fords had a lever on the steering column.
They sure did as did many others. Thanks for your comment!
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That’s genius
Agreed! Thanks for watching!
combustion chamber just like a W 409 chevy.......OnWard.......
Hey-I just noticed the chrome plated klaxon horn on the left side of the vehicle--I have one just like it-can you fill me in on the make or provenance of these horns??
I will try to check with Alan on that and report back…
@@BarryTsGaragePlease do get back to me about the Klaxon-I'd sure like to know where mine came from!!
I'd want to know if it had mechanical breaks first before driving it .If you have driven a car with mechanical breaks you know what I mean.
100% mechanical brakes only on the rear wheels… the special racing part of it, though is they have a cable trundle system with pulleys that help balance the proportion of braking between one side and the other, which was very leading edge at that time!
Should say pistons! Not bad typing, for an old man.
Thought you might appreciate my Dad's story
Absolutely, that’s a great story!
16:30 So, you’re telling me that this car has a “push to start” button??
Yes, that is actually TRUE.
beautiful engine and all, however, running a thermosyphon cooled engine's air AND water within the same cork gasket...
yeah i guess it wasnt a very durable design. very 1910's. this could end up with the engine just killing itself out of nowhere...
but everything else in the engine, aside the spark plugs and the 2 main bearings in incrediblely innovative.
and that throttle response is something unreal!
it's incredible how random innovation was in these days.
You are right, that’s a good analysis and overview… It’s a good peek at what was going on in the 1910s and I appreciate Alan presenting it for us to see. Thanks for that comment!
Sounds Mean! 😆
😀
I have no doubt at all that the man knows EXACTLY what he's doing but it's a little scary "to me" how much meat he took off that spark plug.
I wonder how much torque-tightening that plug could take with that much material removed..
I hear you. Thanks!
Torque specs for spark plugs are generally sub 20 lb ft so shouldn't be a big concern
Agreed,, I just wondered how much meat was left.. @@chickenfishhybrid44
id love to learn the limits of that ol'girl
15:21 You have a fuel leak...
Always shake down time after putting in an engine…
couldn't you set the timing with the engine not running using a conventional "test light"?
Well, you could if you knew what the engine was going to respond best to, but there is no spec., so trial and error is really the only option... Thanks!
EXCELLENT WORK GUYS!💥💪
AUSTRALIA!!🤍💙❤👊
Right on, so great you’re here with us!🎉🎉
Any updates???
Got off on another stuck engine, BUT, I will take your comment as a prompt for Alan to get back to this worthy car and finish the story! 👍🙏
Can't us a timing light? What planet are you from?
Our timing lights rely on a resistor plug. This does not have that.
1915....early Model T days....Like a space ship compared to them.
It really is
Folks today think that they are pretty smart. I don’t think we’re as smart as we think we are.
I agree. The more I learn about 4 generations back, the more I wonder about our “amazing” progress….
What did I see... Houdaillies?
They are certainly knee style shock, absorbers I guess that’s what you’re talking about!?
I used to maintain literally everything for one of the US Midwest's largest farmers. This included a car collection going way back to the 'teens. I learned the word from him (80's to my 20's at the time) and it kinda stuck. I enjoy pulling it out now and then so it doesn't get lost in time - plus, "Houdaille" is fun to say, the way he pronounced it - "Hoo-dally".
Pulling a car around to "loosen" the engine is NOT a good idea!
Ok…How do YOU break in Babbitt bearings?
After pouring your babbit, bore them to size with a couple of shim in place to be able to take up for wear latter on.
@@BarryTsGarage
Thank God for modern V8s. Why bother with something as cantankerous as this one? It’s too easy to break or go afoul.😢
It’s a labor of love that few accept to preserve history and share experiences.
Got fuel leaking from the carb @ 15:20…..
Thanks - sharp eye!
That leak, was from pushing down on the float stem he was pointing at, which cause gas to flow hight then normal and then puked it out, basically flooded the carb. But because it a updraft it dribbles out the carb opening.
Very interesting thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Pretty cool 😎👍
Thanks