What caliber is harder to control - 9, 40, or 45?
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My personal preference for ammo is .45 caliber. The test is interesting.
For me .40 has much more felt recoil and snap to it. .45 in a 1911 is surprisingly easy and not a hard shooter. It’s been said many times but it’s more of a push than a snap. This is a great video with tons of info!
1911 is (surprise) full metal pistol ;) More weight - more manageable recoil.
I think it really depends on what load you shoot. 185gr 45 ACP and 180gr 40 S&W must be very similar.
Despite the test results this hasn't discouraged me from still loving my .40 S&W guns. I like 9mm and .45 ACP and I understand why most people flock to 9mm for many good reasons (cheaper to shoot, less recoil, less wear on the gun, easy to manage, faster follow up shots, and higher capacity magazines). I shoot the .40 well and it is my EDC. In the end it still comes down to shot placement regardless of caliber.
watch this and see all the 9mm stuff is not true czcams.com/video/LTTDgZZZFa0/video.html
Shot placement also depends on the width of the bullet. Put a dime and a quarter next to each other and you can see that a wider bullet betters the chances of hitting the vitals with shot placement. Recoil aint gonna matter in a self defense shooting as you will be pumped up on adrenaline and it is not something you will even think about.
@@northshores7319 hence my reason with carrying a gun that starts with a 4. :)
@@bigsean2473 I saw Paul's video when it came out in 2017 and it validates what I always said. But I mentioned the 9mm in my comments as more of a reference point as to why so many people swear by the 9mm and not actually an admission of capitulation on my end. While the 9mm is a good round, I still believe the .40 and .45 ACP are more effective and damaging to the suspect. Shot placement is still key in slowing down an attack quicker in my view. I could be wrong.
I grew up shooting .45,now I EDC a .40 recoil has never been an issue
People who think that 45 ACP is hard to handle should spend 10 minutes in the bedroom with my wife after accidentally calling her by her sister's name during sex. Talk about recoil!
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I had a girl when doing doggie she hit the D like 155 mm howitzer recoiling. Good thing she a big ole recoil buffer of an ass
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Not the sister, the mom.
Of the 3 calibers in the video I shoot 40 S&W the best. For the longest time I've wanted to make a Beretta 96 look like Barry Burton's from Resident Evil.
9mm for EDC, 45 for home defense.
10MM when going out into the woods.
@Chris King I've heard the same. Why I didn't use that wording I have no idea 😂😂
I like 9 for edc Even a 40 for edc like a m&p or xds.
The 45 ACP/Auto is bigger than the 10mm...
it's 11.43*22mm (45ACP)
For perspective 380, 9, 38S, 357M, 9 Makarov are all technically 9mm calibers.
The 40, 10 and 44M are all 10mm
32 ACP (7.8mm)
380 ACP (9x17mm)
9mm Luger (9mm)9x19
38 Special (9.1mm)
357Mag (9.1mm)
9mm Makarov (9.2mm) 9x18
.40 S&W (10mm) 10x22mm
10mm Auto (10x25mm)
44 Magnum (10.9mm)
.45 ACP (11.43x22mm)
50AE (12.7mm)
.500 S&W Magnum (12.7mm)
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@Westley Titan Instablaster ;)
.45 has always had the most consistent and pleasant recoil for me, across a wide range of gun types. Having said that, I carry and train primarily with 9mm.
Why don't you carry a .45 ?
Very scientific approach to an age old argument. Thank you for posting this.
The problem is with different pistols recoil changes hugely. A pistol with a low bore axis may be much more controllable and naturally weight changes recoil as well. How well you can grip the pistol has significant impact as well.
The tests are interesting but it is so hard to eliminate the variables.
It is, however, restricted to Glocks, poly frames, and self-loaders rather than full steel service .38 Special/.357/.44 S&W revolvers.
Now I want to know what .357sig and 10mm are in that setup!
Thirded. I'd imagine the larger frame and extended case would help keep it about as controllable.
Re: velocity, it looks like Armscor .40 S&W loads are 180 grain, where you would expect to see between 850-1000 fps depending on powder (at least, according to the loading books I have on hand, most 180 gr loads max out around 950 fps). I'd say it's proper ammunition -- the 1300 fps/lighter ammo has about the same muzzle energy. It would be interesting to see recoil impulse differences compared to heavier 200 gr, and the lighter 135/155 grs as well.
Yes please!!! Still going to carry 10mm anyway in the g29
@Ben Woodcock 40 in any way is terrible get a 10 mm
Once upon a Time I converted a s&w performance center 40 to 357 sig not as snappy as one would think if it's in a gun designed for it. Bet it's no big deal
@Ben Woodcock underwood 357sig outperforms any 40sw load...
Fantastic setup and great info! Thank you for all the time and hard work you put into your videos!!
This is really cool. I would love to see the same test for .38, .357 and .44 mag.
.38 is a Terd no sense I’m testing it
Please test .357 sig!
the problem with that would be frame size and weights of the revolvers would not make it an equal comparison, but i agree that it would still be nice to know. would like to see comparisons between K and N frames and the various barrel lengths too
The problem is that people often use +P in defensive 9mm ammo. So these results are basically just testing target loads.
This is great information, sir. I always appreciate this type of technical video. Thank you very much!
40S&W for me.My wrist feel like they've been through a fight afterwards.
9mm and 45acp pretty easy to control
I concur... However, I still prefer and carry a .40, But I'm an old, odd Bastard anyway. The .40 I shoot regularly IS a boat anchor and it just lets me know that there is some ass behind it. Again, I said that I'm an odd Bastard an LOVE my Colt Defender .45... I like my .9 in my PCP's Happy shooting!!!
100% agree
Venom GT72 Depends on the frame and weapon design.
@@UShallFallInTheEnd from one odd bastard to another, I'm reading your mail. Maybe it's a frugal money thing, but I enjoy shooting my 45's more, but am typically 40 for daily carry most of the time
Ditto, I think it has to do with barrel length. I have an HK P90 in .40 I really wanted to love that pistol. But it became a safe queen as the recoil just did not feel right. .45 is smooth as is 9mm. But the .40 was just odd so I ended up selling it.
Thanks so much for your channel I'm glad that you are interested in teaching us not just blowing things up. I'd love to see you and Paul Harrell do a video together 😁
According to the SAAMI specs, both the 9mm and the .40 S&W generate 35,000 psi chamber pressure. The .45 acp generates significantly less at 21,000 psi. Others for the purpose of comparison such as:
25 acp =25,000
32 acp=20,500
357 mag= 35,000
38 special=17,000
380auto=21,500
44 mag=36,000
44 special=15,500
454 casull=65,000
460 S&W=65,000
Bullet size in Millimeters:
32ACP = 7.8mm
380 ACP = 9x17mm
9mm Luger = 9x19mm
357 Magnum = 9.1mm
38 Special = 9.1mm
9 Makarov = 9.2x18mm
40 S&W = 10x22mm
10 Auto = 10x25mm
44 Magnum = 10.9mm
45 ACP = 11.43x22mm
50 AE = 12.7mm (Desert Eagle)
500 S&W Mag = 12.7mm
@@grimesresurrection9357 Irrelevant and false information.
@@grimesresurrection9357 .45 11.43x23mm
I've just been shooting 40, and only 40 so long. I'm just used to it. The recoil just feels "regular" to me. Imo the trigger, and reset plays more of a factor in how well I can control, and how fast I can get hits.
Now, try out a 9mm 2011 one day just for comparisson, or maybe a 9mm 1911 if possible. Just for fun. I love 45, but i recognize 9mm is nice to shoot
*_.50 Cal_** is a bit snappy.*
Not for Arnold in Terminator 😂
Great information. Love all 3 and shoot all 3. I like shooting 9mm and 45s mostly but it really depends on the gun size and weight. I shoot mainly 1911s in 45ACP, and my polymers(including my EDC) are 9mm.
But my Cz TS in 40S&W is an absolute joy to shoot.
Every1 basically says 40 sucks to shoot lol atleast out of a cock
Truly enlightening. This provides further insight and validation to what some people claim as the greater inconsistency of the 40 S&W despite being a lower caliber than the 45 ACP. And by using all glocks, you have eliminated the confounding factor of steel vs polymer. I have learned a great deal from this one video alone. Will definitely explore your other videos. Keep up the fine work!!
I love how you got so scientific on this cause I shoot multiple calibers myself but when I try to explain to people the difference in muzzle rise they don't understand. Thank you keep up the great work
Very good test. This would justify my affinity for the 9 and 45.
100% the only two rounds I need in semi autos
@@MrYATHATSMYNAME You are leaving out the best one.
10mm
@@pewpew9193 9 and 45 for hoods
10mm for woods
@@govanbuttar9440 You're so right; I can't understand how many people can't stand the "violent" recoil of the .40 S&W, but run out to buy a 10mm for their carry gun. ?!?!?
MOST INFORMATIVE pistol caliber recoil vid I've ever seen! I know that took a lot of time and patience. Great job!!! 😁👍🏾
Fantastic stuff. Love all your vids, but especially like the comparative data. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Wow! Awesome data. I’m rethinking of switching to a .45 from my .40 I know allot of work went in to this. Great job!!
I love the way you did your testing. Very scientific and it felt very "official". I love watching gun videos here on youtube, and seen this as a recommended video. First video I have watched of yours and you have earned yourself a subscriber. Normally I watch several videos of a channel before I commit to the subscribe button, but the Intro and video sold me right away. Now I'm going to go back and watch some of your older stuff. Can't wait to see more.
Very kind of you. Thank you very much!
if it's to much gun for you don't shoot it simple. I like the .40 and shoot well with it.
yup ill never give up my px4 40cal best shooting gun ive shot in regular peoples price range
@@bigsean2473 👍 keeping my px4 40 cal as well. Great shooter .
gilbert carmona I have a glock 23 and can put some nice groups up. never tried the px4. how much those go for? they feel pretty good in your hand?
@@jamesbrinley8453 I paid 599. But I live in commifornia. I held every semi automatic pistol in the store. To me, it felt like it was molded to my hand. Buttery smooth recoil. Accurate out of the box. I have the px4 storm type f. You should at least go to your local shop and put it in your hand.
James Brinley Don’t shoot it simple? Shoot it complicated, like underhanded pinky on trigger sideways while sampling ice cream? I’ll try that next time. Thanks.
I didnt realize how wild the .40 S&W round is compared to 9mm and the .45 acp. Great technical/ scientific approach in your video and thank you for sharing!
Also bullet weights dictate recoil. Many companies will put 9mm frame and use it for the 40 smith.
@@phillipporter3965 Yes!
Really cool data man! I analyze industrial vibration/performance data in my line of work, so this is really interesting to me.
I definitely think the ransom rest is a good medium to use for comparison, but it seems it doesn’t address the rearward drive that the .45acp has as opposed to the snappy nature of the smaller calibers. Really cool to see the torque plotted out there though. That really tells the tale that most people have never seen.
Keep this series going man!
Thanks man! 🇺🇸💥👍🏻
Excellent video. I finally understand why my 40 S&W is my least favorite handgun to shoot (vs. my .380, many 9mm's & 45 ACP). I had just thought it was me. Thanks.
In hand a 45’s recoil is more of a push than snap like the 40. The 45 is easier to control/make faster follow up shots than the 40 because of this.
@@svaj1000 I have a Sig. .40. It's a beautiful looking gun but it's a little heavier than my .40 H&K. My Glock .45 is a lighter gun than the Sig .40. Go figure.
I couldn't "Feel" the difference between my .40s and my Glock .45. I thought they were about the same. But a 10 degree difference is pretty significant.
I dig this kind of stuff. Great job.
Thank you for bringing out all your resources to illustrate your well thought out presentation. Well Done!!
Thanks to you, Very much for spending the money & taking your time to visually & digitally show the shooting enthusiasts exactly where "Felt Recoil" comes from. I can now forever forward show this video to interested novice shooters in order to help with their understanding of the original rules of combat handgunnery.
#1) Train hard bit forsaking the known principles of marksmanship.
#2) Choose wisely the most powerful pistol with which you can shoot with reliable control.
#3) Use these skills along with situational awareness to move swiftly as possible to collect your rifle !
End of lesson. Thanks a bunch for this video !!!
That's a good data capture. You can definitely see how the human factor comes into firing a pistol. Lately I've been firing two pistols more often, both mid sized polymer framed guns in 9mm and .40 s/w. The .40 definitely seemed wilder to shoot especially after I had fired the 9mm. So what I do more often now is fire my .40 first, so I don't get used to the .9mm first and it 'seems' to make the .40 not a big deal. Sometimes I just fire the .40 only. After doing that, the 9mm feels like a very low powered pistol.
I’d like to see the G20 and G31 added to those results to compare all five. Definitely one of the best test I’ve seen because it’s as scientific as possible without any bias. Can’t wait for another.
Calibers Measured in Millimeters
32ACP = 7.8mm
380 ACP = 9x17mm
9mm Luger = 9x19mm
357 Magnum = 9.1mm
38 Special = 9.1mm
9 Makarov = 9.2x18mm
40 S&W = 10x22mm
10 Auto = 10x25mm
44 Magnum = 10.9mm
45 ACP = 11.43x22mm
50 AE = 12.7mm (Desert Eagle)
500 S&W Mag = 12.7mm
Great video and well thought out. Never seen such an in depth analysis of a complicated issue.
.45 is just like 9mm. Except it’s for men. 😂
Sam, that was not very nice. ha ha ha ha
@Coolride17 a real mans gun is a 40 cal that holds 15 rounds. only a pussy carries 8 because it makes the gun to heavy for them. haha
45 don’t go through car doors
@@bennybands5752 says who?
@@bennybands5752nah they do apparently
This meets almost everything for a science paper, well done test my man!
I got "stuck" on a .40 Springfield XD full size on my way for the first time to an indoor shooting with my more experienced cousin. Had to stop at a gun store to buy me a gun before going to the range and didn't want to waste time. There were no 9mm that day, so I settled for a .40 and never regretted it. A few years later I went to a shot show and fired various types of Glocks in all the popular calibers. None came close to recoil management like my XD, not even the 9mm. I was kind of surprised because I heard so much about Glock perfection but didn't experience it that day. My cousin even said there was little difference between my .40 and his 9mm. I later got a Shield in .40 and that one is definitely a kicker, but I did all sorts of things to it to mitigate recoil and muzzle rise.
What a great video. Tons of expensive high tech equipment to tell us definitively, what we probably already knew intuitively. Thank you for that it was no doubt a lot of effort.
Thank you, this was very informative and you did a great job!!!
A .380ACP fired from a Ruger LCP. Talk about uncontrollable recoil.
Really? I don't find my LCP uncontrollable. Were you expecting it to be like a .22LR?
@@cephasmartin8593 of course not. I found it very difficult to be accurate with it. There just isn't enough mass for any kind of accuracy. I get the "get off me" gun argument, but I find the recoil unmanageable for the size of the gun.
Kel Tec p32 makes a nice little pocket/ gut gun,
Upgrade to the LCP II, that goes away. It’s an immensely improved pistol over the original LCP
The Kahr P380 is a tiny pistol with less recoil compared to the Ruger LCP.
Hickok45 has a nice review of the Kahr P380. I find it's very accurate and reliable.
I really enjoyed enjoyed this video. A lot of equipment, effort, and attention to detail. This is the *exact* kind of information I personally like to gather and breakdown, and you have done all of that here. Shared with my friends that I am sure will also appreciate the detail and insight you provided.
I really appreciate you, my friend!
Awesome review for sure. I've been shooting the glock 21 for over 15 years and absolutely love it. I have large hands and it fits me well. I truly believe you must shoot what feels comfortable in your hands and what you can control and consistently hit your target with.
That was interesting. Good information. I've always liked 45 acp more than 40 s&w. But this is good scientific info. Well done.
This is awesome. Great video. .40 is still my favorite though and in my HK VP40 or Sig P226 legion, it has relatively light recoil. I’ve shot 1911 officer frames in .40 that we’re ok but not as enjoyable to shoot.
Awesome set up!!!!! Clear precise & to the point.
What a Joy to sit here in Europe (Denmark) and watch and learn about Your test-setup, how you carried-out your test and the results obtained , how to understand them and how to present them to us . I find it a daring and challenging task You set yourself to MEASURE in a field where the interaction human versus technology is often driven by personal preferences and the following subjectivity in statements. You are using a new type of sensor from Mantis and it is exciting for me personally to learn about what kind of possibilities this can give for test and measurements and what learning can be obtained from the data when they are combined with other sensors; here a simple camera recording. I missed to see that you combined your radar-data with the Mantas readings - was there indications on a significant difference in STDEV in say .40 that could explain the Mantis data? Anyway thank You very much for an inspiring test and sharing this with us all.
You’re a freakin scientist now Paul!
You know what would be cool? If you had the ability to test 10mm vs 40, with the same muzzle velocity. I have heard people say that a strong 40 is a weak 10mm but in my experience the 10mm is less snappy
The theory as I've heard is that the larger case size of the 10mm leads to a difference in pressure
Great comment
The .40 S&W is a pussified 10mm. Too many FBI agents couldn't handle the 10mm, so they asked the manufacturers to reduce the powder charge. S&W did and decided to cut the case down at the same time and the .40 S&W was born ... a pussified 10mm.
This was really good work. Thank you for taking to the time to do this. It was helpful.
Interestingly, I've seen similar things firing the 9mm and .45 acp. After firing the M9 Beretta service pistol, I noticed the recoil was not up and down, but seemed to twist up and to the left. When I rented .45 acp 1911s (and later purchasing my own) I noticed that the recoil, while heavier, was pretty much in the up and down axis, with almost no sideways twist. This was the reason I purchased a 1911, because I could get back down to the target faster, even if the muzzle flip was a little higher, because I was still "on target" vertically.
5:20 The Lab Radar does not need to know the bullet weight to determine velocity. It uses the bullet weight to calculate energy.
It would be interesting to see what the test would show with the 10mm.
Very very very sweet set up! Loved this video and what you did here! Nice job 👍
What you found explains what I have been experiencing with my pistols. When I shoot 9mm or 45 cal the guns feel like they just recoil up without any rotational torque. But my 40 cal pistols have an odd rotational action along with the recoil up motion I do not feel with any other gun. I have learned to expect it and so I still have my 40 cal guns. But it is a very unique fell that some people (like my wife) are intimidated by and so do not like to shoot 40 cal guns. Nice video. Keep up these insightful videos.
Very scientific, I appreciate the time you put into this video 👍
I expected some half assed subjective analysis, nope. Very well done. Amazing data. Thx.
Thanks. I appreciate your time and effort in this video!
Very thorough and well thought out demonstration. Interesting and informative. Thanks for doing this!
This is the best scientific test on recoil comparison I have ever seen. Great job!
Testing with Compensators added to the pistols would also be very informative.
I really enjoyed the demo. I was considering getting a 40. After the demo I'm ok with my 2 45's. Great demo thanxx
.40 cal is terrible with lots of dim light muzzle flash, recoil and gun wear in short barrel carry autos. I carry a Shield 9 most of the time, but also have a Shield 45 that is easy to shoot even with 230 HSTs.
It depends upon the design and weight of the pistol.
Very true... a test with all CZs or something similar would be nice, al 1911s too
Add in 10mm
So true, I shoot my dad's XD .45 and it feels great. I tried the XDS .45 from a guy because I was interested in buying it and I was constantly adjusting my grip, it felt like it was going to flip out of my hand. I personally feel like bigger frames, and weightier steel frames are best if you want to reduce recoil go for the biggest steel frame 9 mm. Unfortunately we're often times compromising between capacity, conceal-ability, firepower, and accuracy.
Agreed
Very nice review. Can’t wait to see more of 5he series. 👍🇺🇸
Can’t wait to see if you have some more in depth testing. The more I know the better. Keep it up
This showed showed recoil between calibers on glocks. A good point to mention is that a heavier gun would also help manage recoil better. A metal and heavy 1911 chambered in 45 will still have more recoil than the same chambered in 9mm. However the recoil of a 9mm polymer will likely be harder to manage than a heavy metal 1911 that is chambered in 45. Also a longer barreled gun would help recoil. All this to say that caliber is not the only factor in the amount of recoil experienced.
I feel that the differences are not enough to shy me away from higher calibers. It's all about learning to grip your gun in such a way that allows you to cycle through your shots more accurately. Recoil recovery gets easier with time
This is a true review and unbiased! I want a setup like this to zero my weapons at the range.
I hate to ask but I'm curious what a Jericho 941 9mm with a steel frame would measure like. I think a heavy solid steal gun could definitely change this data
Thank you for your great and valuable work. I know it is difficult but it would be wonderful to see additional calibers and handguns.
I like your consistent scientific analysis. I wasn't surprised by the outcomes. Yet you kept the firing conditions constant for the analysis to be fairly compiled.
The 40 gives me the rush that I need, Vietnam Vet USMC. Semper Fi
Why do you need a rush? Vietnam Vet, USN. Non sibi sed patriae.
Army 45's are for real warriors private
40 doesn't recoil as bad in a M&P 40 Full size pistol. Great test Paul 👍🇺🇸
Amen.
True
This was great! Thank you for putting so much hard work into this video.
After decades of firearm ownership I'm getting my first .40 "HK USP", if anything can tame the recoil impulse it should be that pistol. It would be interesting to see such a comparison between several popular .40 caliber offerings and even the other calibers as well. Personally, my favorites are the lighter recoiling pistols like the FN 5.7 & .22TCM9R, they literally are a blast to shoot with virtually zero recoil.
Competitive shooters know this for the most part but you should hold every pistol the same. You should hold it with 100 percent of your strength no matter what caliber. Well if you want to shoot fast and recover on target faster. Thats why when people say I hold it harder cause it kicks more I dont agree. You should be doing it no matter what cause that is your recoil control and recovery on target.
Exactly. I don't know about all this death grip stuff some teach. I agree on a very firm and tight grip that is just shy of where you would begin shaking. Maybe 85-90% of that. Grip each gun the same way for consistency AND for habit building. The exceptions would be revolver vs auto and guns so small you can't hold them that way. Of course he did say "unconsciously" gripping tighter. I agree with him that many people do sort of get more serious about it when they perceive more recoil is inbound. They will relax more with a lighter load or caliber and tend to grip a bit softer. I think this is mostly unintentional, but also should be something they become conscious of. Then train with consistency to just do it right habitually regardless of what they are shooting.
I love the recoil “pulse” of my 45s. 9mm is “jerky” and my .357 sig is a hard pop/push.
My .45 acp 1911 S&W Commander with scandium is my daily carry.
I always perceived the recoil of a 45acp as a quick push, but pulse is a great descriptive. Going from 40 to 45 really surprised me how it has a softer recoil. The 40 is abrupt and snappy. It doesn't feel as comfortable as the 45 to shoot.
I only once got the chance to make a few shots with 357 Sig. For me this short fast pop made it feel almost like less than 9mm. Very strange how different people feel about recoil and how subjective it is. When I shoot 9mm directly after 45 ACP it feels like nothing. This shows that 45 ACP has a lot more recoil. I mean 230gr compared to 115gr is exactly double the bullet weight.
Thank you, sir. I learned more today from your video that I have in the last 5 years of shooting. Blessings, AG.
Hats off brother, you went above and beyond answering my question! Great ingenuity!
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Never been jealous of a wall until the end of this video.
I've never noticed a difference caliber wise. I always laugh at the usual suspects that put comps on 9mm pistols to "tame" the recoil. I've seen tiny women handle recoil better than bigger guys.
Amazing vídeo, very technical and neutral. Congratulations. In the end, for me, the human being influence is very important and talking about guns, then more familiar you are with your gun, then more you will be precise with that particular caliber. We all know that in the end, getting to the aim is the deciding point. Very appreciated the initiative and work. Very well done. Thank you.
Great data. Thanks for time & resources. Technology sure provides a lot of opportunity to compare and contrast scale of calibers.
Very cool! Tank you for all the hard work. I wonder if the data reflects more on the glock platform than the caliber. For instance. Would doing the same tests with the H&k USP line yield the same results? Just because the USP was developed the 40SW. Where as the glock was adapted to it. Just a thought.
For me, felt recoil goes 9mm < .45 ACP < .40 S&W, and the .45 ACP in a 1911--not a revolver--is a heavier push than 9mm, but it's smooth. I haven't tried it in a polymer-framed gun. The .40 S&W feels sharper.
Do the data say anything about the duration of the impulse? I'd guess that the .40 S&W is more of a spike than the others.
Polymer framed 45s. (At least glocks and berettas ) feel pretty good to shoot. I could see making quick follow up shots with it
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Good point. I recommend to anyone with the means to just go to a range where you can either rent or borrow guns to try out. Compare for yourself and see what you think because it is only your opinion that really matters. That said, for everyone living in such a place where that isn't an option these videos are SOOOO helpful. I'm in that first group and yet I still appreciate all these videos giving me a good start in my own research. I would never recommend a buying decision before actually trying things out on yourself first. It's like buying shoes online. I did it once but generally I want to go walk around in them in the store and compare. You should always do some hands on of your own, then make up your mind. Peoples opinions will always be all over the place.
@@montebarnes3021 have glocks in all calibers even the baby sub compact in 40 (the 27) and i can say if u can manage recoil on that little kick asser then anything else is a breeze
I actually strongly suspect there is a direct co-relation between the velocity and the duration of the recoil impulse. Then again it also seems as likely, if not more, that it is more related to the chamber pressure. Hmmmm, probably both.
Great video as always! Would love to see how the 10mm stacks up in that calibur test.
I am a .45ACP and 1911 guy. I love the .45ACP in my 3 1911s. Fantastic!!! I hate the .40 S&W!!! Very snappy and harder to control. The .45ACP and 9mm very nice on recoil and follow up shots. The .40 is a hybrid developed by the FBI and other law enforcement in conjunction. Maybe effective from the lessons of the 1986 Miami FBI shootout? I am going to have to tick with the .45ACP either the old G.I. 230 FMJ or the modern 9mm Parabellum with better powders and bullet configurations since the 1970s with better expansions into target. I still own all 3 of my .45ACP 1911s and my numerous 9mm Parabellum pistols to include my BYF Mauser M1908 Luger Pistol. I got rid of my only .40 S&W Sig P229. Hated that pistol.
Loved the video. Wish you could put a link to the ammunition.
That's trully science!
This is THE MOST scientific comparison I've ever seen in regards to recoil. Excellent video sir!
Yes you cant go more scientific!
Gr8 video n idea!!
Nothing else like this format is out there n TY for doing it.
I never noticed that much difference. Learn to hold the pistol, before it goes bang.
@Lion of God You seem overly sensitive about his opinion. I agree with him. That should send people like you over the edge.
Good video, interesting data. From what I’ve learned the Glock 17 was designed for the 9mm round. The Glock 21 was designed for the 45ACP but for the 40S&W Glock basically just used a Glock 17 and didn’t design a firearm for the caliber. Could that also factor into the 40S&W torquing action? The caliber being a bit too much for the firearm and bending the polymer frame?
VERY MUCH. Shoot an M&P 40 next to a Glock. The M&P is noticeably better in .40S&W
As well, the recoil spring on the glock 22 is the same as the glock 17, the recoils spring for the glock 17 is a 17lbs spring, the put the same one on the glock 22, the glock 21 has a longer recoil spring ( only a little bit larger but surely longer ). I putted a 24 lbs recoil srping on my G22 and the recoil feel even better than shooting a G17.
M&P series 2.0 were made for the .40 caliber in mind, that is why they come with a metal skeleton inside of the polimer frame, making it more resistant to twisting and robust.
a little simplistic. the g22 has a heavier slide, and extra frame pin, and bigger locking block. When you use a heavier spring, the return motion of slide becomes heavier. The barrel.hood is also slanted to minimize slide pressure.
The frame of most 9mm and 40 cal are the same, some only need a recoil spring and some use the same one for both.
AF2011-A1 is an amazing double barrel 45ACP that holds a double clip of 10each(20rd Total) sending 2x 45 Autos their way
You should try a firearm that was designed for the 40, like the USP... Very pleasant to shoot
what an interesting test!! please do more with other calibers, .357, 10mm all good rounds. this was a great test! well done
Great work. I would like to see different size guns of the same caliber ( Full-size, compact, subcompact) I would also like to see different frame materials in the same caliber (polymer, steel, metal alloy). Keep up the good work. I like your methodology by taking the human element out of it. It really shows how much the human can deviate results.