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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 09. 2024
- Testing out the Federal HST from my long slide pistols in 9mm+P, .40 S&W and .45 ACP+P. I am doing a ballistic gel test, accuracy and velocity test (5 yards) a wood penetration test and a 25 yard practical accuracy test. Guns: S&W M&P 9 2.0 5", S&W M&P 40 2.0 5" and Glock 41 5.3". Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
THIS is MORE IMPORTANT than PEOPLE REALIZE Further Proves CLEAR is NOT REAL GEL, BUT SAME MDF+CLEAR W/O adding extra Pen for MDF MAKES THIS a Cheap TEST that MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS Real Gel Tests in Comparing different Calibers & Rounds to each other! While Penetration is not the SAME, THE VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE CRUSH VALUES Are Very Similar to VISTA's/Federals 4 Layer REAL GEL FBI SPEC DATA (& you used longer barrels yet still almost Same in each). People Need to watch my 4 part 9mm vs .45 Series & Realize How Important Tissue Crush is! Your MDF Results 9mm=3.734 cu " TC(Vista Real Gel=3.799), .40=5.665 cu" TC(Vista Real Gel=6.283), .45=8.105 cu" TC (Vista Real Gel=8.08). Vista Data these rounds .45 is 2.126X more Damaging than the 9mm round, & 1.286x More TC damage than the .40. Gun Sam's MDF Data this .45 round is 2.17X more than this 9mm, and 1.43x More than this .40 round. Vista's 180 gr .40 Data is 1.653X more TC then this 124plus P 9mm, and Gun Sam's MDF Data 1.517x More than this 9mm round. Overall very Similar Results as to the VERY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Expanded Bullets THROUGH THE ENTIRE PATH through the body. ALL GREAT Rounds, probably the very best...but there is a very REAL DIFFERENCE! PLEASE SAVE THIS DATA maybe Pin it Sam because this is scientific Proof to your MDF Testing making Clear Gel Testing way more Valuable in comparing one to the other. Obviously Penetration numbers are not the same, Clear Gel is WAY LESS DENSE and Rips vs Thick & Stretchy REAL Bodies & REAL GEL FBI STANDARDS.
@@libra7624 which Real Gel simulates and clear doesn't....but clear plus MDF4 layer is much closer to real comparison then just plain clear gel as I proved.
@@libra7624 yes obviously people like me and Sam know all that. And if ur talking about 34 rounds of .45 14 were hits 9 I believe were Fatal good hits...but pistols suck and bp loss takes 1 minute often
As long as one is testing through the same medium, with similar barrel lengths it gives people good information.
Paul Harrell's meat target is by far the best indicator. He is using clothing, front and back, leather for skin, flesh, bone, simulated lung tissue medium and of course the new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop.
Will the rounds kill the intended target w proper shot placement? Yes, that's all that matters.
TLDR
Also, find your caps lock button FTW.
Honestly i wanted to read this but the caps made me not want to
I will never understand the amount of hate the .40 gets. Fantastic round.
it sucks to shoot
@@Silidons91itâs really not that bad to shoot. Iâve put hundreds of 180 gr rounds through my full size M&P40 and itâs great. Even did a bit of a torture run when I first got it and ran 200 rounds in one session. My hand stung a little bit afterwards, but I had no issues with recoil control and kept rounds in tight groups.
Because when you know the truth, most don't want to shoot a round created because Federal Agents were too wimpy to shoot the 10mm.
Losers with tiny little woman arms who can't handle the recoil. Ever see how unathletic the majority of "men" are today. Especially under 30, it's obscene. Now you understand the hate
Yup, still love the .40. Seems to be the most consistent through various materials with impressive expansion and energy.
I always thought 40 really is pretty perfect for duty or carry unless you are a complete wimp it can outperform even plus p plus nine easily if you research the terminal ballistic.
40 for the hoods 10mm for the woods
I liked how the 9mm did in this video.
@@GATILLERO99 Great they let you out,and no I don't want a mixed drink....lol
40 and 45 both out performed the 9mm !
Good test
Never had a problem with .40 in the reliability department.
Something to do with the bullet shape being the same between fmj and hollowpoints are a plus and no +p so no worries on those either
I appreciate the attention to detail on this, the title did not lie as it being a fair test, I carry a 9 but .40 has been growing on me
Same here. One you master the 9 and have that cheap utility, 40 is like 9mm +p+++
@@spencermichaelson1882 and the opposite is true that once you master 40, 9 is a walk in the park
Looking at the tiny hole made by the 9mm compared to the 40 and 45 shows why the two larger calibers are demonstrably superior. With consistent training and building grip, hand and forearm strength anyone can master the big boys which is why they should be your first choice. Good show as always.
That 40 S&W is really nasty.
The 40 just does it's job. To compete with it's terminal performance with just about any projectile the 9 and 45 have to be +P or ++P. Too bad recoil has scared away the rookies.
Don't worry, I have more revolver content coming. Good stuff too! Also at 10:35, "Five and a half for the 9mm" should have been "Six and a half for the 9mm".
i love hst and punch they are decent rounds for not alot of money or were i have alot of american gunner +p 124 grain too i find that the 124 grain 9mm seems to do almost everything i need well enough
I'm tired of trying to answer comments about my Glock jamming with this particular ammo. This video is not a video about a gun, it's an ammo test video, the one shot I needed at a time still worked. BTW it is rare to get a jam with .45 ACP in this pistol despite having a couple in a recent video. The gun is fine.
THIS is MORE IMPORTANT than PEOPLE REALIZE Further Proves CLEAR is NOT REAL GEL, BUT SAME MDF+CLEAR W/O adding extra Pen for MDF MAKES THIS a Cheap TEST that MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS Real Gel Tests in Comparing different Calibers & Rounds to each other! While Penetration is not the SAME, THE VERY IMPORTANT TISSUE CRUSH VALUES Are Very Similar to VISTA's/Federals 4 Layer REAL GEL FBI SPEC DATA (& you used longer barrels yet still almost Same in each). People Need to watch my 4 part 9mm vs .45 Series & Realize How Important Tissue Crush is! Your MDF Results 9mm=3.734 cu " TC(Vista Real Gel=3.799), .40=5.665 cu" TC(Vista Real Gel=6.283), .45=8.105 cu" TC (Vista Real Gel=8.08). Vista Data these rounds .45 is 2.126X more Damaging than the 9mm round, & 1.286x More TC damage than the .40. Gun Sam's MDF Data this .45 round is 2.17X more than this 9mm, and 1.43x More than this .40 round. Vista's 180 gr .40 Data is 1.653X more TC then this 124plus P 9mm, and Gun Sam's MDF Data 1.517x More than this 9mm round. Overall very Similar Results as to the VERY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Expanded Bullets THROUGH THE ENTIRE PATH through the body. ALL GREAT Rounds, probably the very best...but there is a very REAL DIFFERENCE! PLEASE SAVE THIS DATA maybe Pin it Sam because this is scientific Proof to your MDF Testing making Clear Gel Testing way more Valuable in comparing one to the other. Obviously Penetration numbers are not the same, Clear Gel is WAY LESS DENSE and Rips vs Thick & Stretchy REAL Bodies & REAL GEL FBI STANDARDS. PLEASE Copy this DATA YT deletes my comments after an hour or two Sam or Pin it! This also shows how important Momentum is after going through bone! .38 and up 124 gr. seems to be lightest you want to go (other than 9bple 115 plus p plus). Also if you can retest a couple rounds, and standard pressure .45 if you have it to see if not expanding is a fluke...I've watched tons w standard as short as 3.3" and still expands, even slower from a modified Revo.
You are the one who brings it up in the videos. Iâll fix this how dare we ask questions for ya.
The hollow point cavity on the HST is enormous, the result is a very flat meplat. Great for expansion and wounding, bad for feeding. Would recommend looking at the feed ramps on your Glock. Glocks tend to be steep. I had to an a secondary bevel to my .40 P30L for just this reason. If you ride the slide while feeding the cartridge it should show you if its sticking. Do it a few times and it should leave a copper mark on the spot its binding on the feed ramp.
You limp wrist every shot. The barrel never returns to its original position telling me you are soaking up a good portion of the recoil. Being as these are recoil operated semi automatic pistols you could see the problem.
@@Rundu1987 Iâm not tryna bag on the dude at all but his grip could definitely use a little work for sure. But if it works for him then it works for him ya know.
As far as I'm concerned, .40 for the win!
Awesome Video.
This is what I love about the 40 S&W. I think its ideal for self defense, similar or more power than a 45 ACP (the only 45ACP that compares to it is the +P loads, and even then, several 40 loads are slightly more energy) and it has magazine capacity like a 9mm. Don't get me wrong, all 3 are fantastic and could be trusted to do what they are designed to, but that 40SW has always just really impressed me.
Awesome test Sam, id say the 40 did best as well, the 9mm does well but 40 like I've told people has a bit more punch on it, looking forward to more test! đđ»đđ»
I think .40 loaded right, like the way it was meant to be like target ammo power, is perfect. Your energy isn't greater than 9mm+P but it don't need to be. Has the right balance of momentum and energy and diameter to do everything well.
People don't put enough stock into the shape and dimensions into the bullet itself and only look at numbers on the box. Where momentum isn't to be found anyway.
This is why I carry my .40 with that same federal ammo. It has a bigger hollow point hole as well.
What type of 40 hand gun are you using because these like to jam on my ruger sr40c it's the only ammo that dose this about like in the video with his 45ACP
Glock 27
.40 s&w is my favorite cartridge caliber and ideal!
Out of all the gun channels I watch ,I like your caliber comparisons the most. Good Job.Thank you
Nice test. That is not the first 45 round we ha e seen fail to expand. The 9mm and 40 both did very well. It looks like u definitely want to hit bone whenever possible- it aids expansion and helps reduce the chance of overpenetration. I have always been fond of the 40, and it was my duty gun for almost all of my LE career (Sig P229, i owned it). It was more than accurate enough, and usually quite accurate with good ammo. Never did carry a 9- went straight from 357 mag to 40. Ah, memories. Glad to see the HST's rep is mostly deserved
Great video Bud! I love all 3 calibers. But I still prefer to carry my .40 cals wherever I go. Most consistent for me. TY.
.40sw best weight should be 165 or 155, but great test anyway....
Yeah, I think he was trying to use the "most common" weights you would see out there. The 45 would also be a lot better by dropping that 230 grain round for a 185 grain.
I agree my Duty loads were 155 hydrashok, those were incredible at punching through almost anything.
@@marccolantuono2341 155 grain at 1200/1250 fps or 165 grain at 1150/1180 fps = true 357 magnum Power level(out of 4 inch)...
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.
The only real advantage the 180 gr loads have for me is they seem to have a much softer recoil impulse than the 155-165gr stuff. I donât feel under gunned carrying either weight though.
We found in the U.S.B.P. that the .40 S&W in either 155 grain or the 165 grain were significantly better (more efficient) than the 180 grain. They are louder, being transonic, but it is a small price to pay for increased efficiency.
What would you say is the difference in the recoil between the difference bullet weights? I carry 180gr in the winter and 140-165gr in the summer.
@@rustyshackleford9637 not much
@@rustyshackleford9637 The 155-165gr .40 in the same bullet design is usually âsnappierâ but the felt recoil is not that great, just a different impulse if you ask me. The 180gr rounds feel closer to a .45 ACP to me in compact and sub compact frames, while the 155-165gr ammo (depending on loading of course), feels like the recoil jumps more.
Nice test. My carry gun in the woods is a 40SW Glock 35. I put an extended tungsten guide rod, trijicon tritium sights, and an enhanced mag well on it. Great gun.
you should just use stock internals man. the tungsten guide rod may eventually cause problems.
Fair test. I would be fine with any of them but the .40 seemed to have an edge, as it does with most loads I've seen tested.
If they used 165gr .40 HSTs, I think the results would have been more clear in the .40's favor.
But does it? The 9 is almost there ballistically and in a potential self defense situation where you absolutely will have some level of panic you can put more shots down range end of the day. I don't hate the 40 I just feel like If I'm going to go with that bullet size I'm going to get a glock 20 or equivalent.
@@320jasont I edc a glock 19 gen 5 9x19 I trust the 124+p hst or the 147 standard hst. This is my only handgun for right now. 9mm did good and itâs definitely effective and low recoil. I still think the 40 did better and thatâs not my opinion the proof is in the video. I might be getting a 40 next when I have the money. Still want to keep my 9mm though. You never know which one you like better if you havenât shot both of them.
@@320jasont How many more rounds of 9mm are you talking about? 5,10,15? We're literally talking about TWO more rounds in the G17 and G19 compared to the G22 and G23. And I don't hate the 9mm, I just feel like if I'm going to go with that bullet size I'm going to get a Glock 31 or equivalent.
Edit: I now EDC a Glock 29 Gen 4 10mm with 200 grain HSTâs đŹ lone wolf conversion barrel I can shoot 40 out of it no problem đ
You would think by now that Glock would send you a new gun. Nice tests.
Thanks.
I liked this test. I was shocked the gut shot of the .45 didnât expand. I was hoping youâd take another shot just to see if it happened again. Oh well, the HST is a good round regardless. I appreciate your efforts.
45acp is a tricky bullet to expand because of its lower velocity. But still plenty deadly enough.
@@danielaramburo7648 Iâm familiar with it, I reload and I like to do hot 230gr XTP to help guarantee the expansion. I was shocked the gut shot didnât expand yet the one with particle board did, I would have expected the opposite.
Would be fun to see a Speer Gold Dot example of this same test in the three calibers.
@@danielaramburo7648 45acp sure don't shrink tho wether it expands or not lol.
Those 45s really had that target rocking đ
The 40 hit hard. I don't know why people hate on it so much
That's exactly it the and the 45 require the shooter to shoot it to become proficient. Some are able to go right to it and shoot well. But today's leo or general person would rather play video games and only shoot when required or qualifying. That's why the 9mm is so popular the recoil is negligible the muzzle blast almost non existent. So much less effort to shoot well
Thanks Sam, my wife and I both carry the 124 gr 9mm hst non +p in our pistols. It's been very good and accurate ammo.đđ
I put that in this 9mm as I had some left with the 50 round box and needed to take out the Gold Dot I had in it for another test!
@@GunSam The 147 gr 9mm would have been more fair
I sort of retired my Glock 23 when I bought a P365XL, but this reminds me what a great round the .40 is. It's still the go to for cold winter weather. You should try some limp wrist tests. I never thought about that issue. When I carried a .40 as my duty gun, it never had problems with the various drills we did, but I don't recall ever trying to limp wrist it.
The G23 was my first handgun and I kick myself for parting with it. I carry a G21 now with Underwood 185 grain +p jhp's and I like it just as much if not more than the G23.
i like your videos man, you put alot of effort into these.
Thanks!
Surprising, I thought the 45acp would fare better. Thank you for taking the time and expense of making me this video. OUTSTANDING VIDEO !!
In the military, my service sidearm was a Sig P-250 in .40 cal. Trusted it with my life, several times. More than a few of my buddies went into LE after their military duty, and they all to a man still carry the .40 cal. Many stories from these dudes about other LEOs they knew switching to .9mm and after a couple of shooting incidents, switching back to .40 or even 10mm. You can usually trust personal experience as the best guide.
Great video and test. I love my .40 Glocks, carried them for years, but now that I'm retired, it's a j-frame .357 or .38 with a .380 backup/NY reload. But, if I have to go places where it is possible I would need more gun, it's .40 all the way. Great round, a little snappy maybe, but for a 9mm frame sized gun, as you just showed, that's some pretty darn good performance.
I've got big paws so the Glock fits my hand just fine. I think the .40 gets a bad rap because small handed folks, especially young LEOs, don't like it's snappy recoil.
It's all about the diversity hires not being able to qualify with .40
So they moved the goalpost and went back to 9mm, even though 1986 Miami proved that cartridge to be lacking.
@@rustyshackleford9637 Da fuq? Diversity hires? Sorry dude, but Latino and Black cops are going to have generally the same range of hand sizes as your typical White cop. It has nothing to do with diversity and more to do with what a young training cadet has as prior experience in handgun shooting. If they are accustomed, for example to shooting .45ACP or big-bore revolvers like .357 magnum and .44 magnum, they will adapt to .40 just fine.
I'm Latino and shoot .40 cal pistols just fine. But I still shoot 9mm better. I also shoot .45ACP better than both of those but can shoot 9mm a tad faster. Still my favorite gun is my RIA 1911a1 GI Model. Superbly accurate, super reliable (when kept clean) and just a feels amazing to shoot in my small paws.
All that being said, for most police officers, most will shoot 9mm better than .40 cal pistols. Less recoil always equates not necessarily to better accuracy, but rather faster sight alignment, and faster accurate shots on target.
It's why, while I love my 1911 .45ACP pistol, my main home defense pistol is a CZ P-07 9mm. I can do controlled pairs significantly faster with 9mm.
Umm a .357 is more gun than a .40
@@cbisecurity-utpma7369underwood 135 gr nosler .40 has entered the chat. I mean yeah a 6â hot .357 still has more energy but Sam hit 600 fpe with that load out of this 5â and its rated at 588
A very informative demonstration. People seem as subjective in defensive handgun ballistics as they are in music and religion so each person will take the data for what it's worth to substantiate their preconceived favorites, but you've still provided useful data. I tend to favor lighter loads and less penetration. The 1986 Miami shoot-out sent a lot of people in what I consider to be the wrong direction, when the FBI declared that the 9mm failed to penetrate far enough to stop William Matix but seemed to sideline the fact that by the time he finally bled out during the fight, he'd sustained a total of 5 lethal wounds. The 9mm entered under the arm and traveled across the torso, rather than front to back. Matix was simply motivated, perhaps crazed, and didn't seem to mind that he was going to die and simply wanted to kill as many FBI personnel as he could. Ballistically, I rate the .40 as the clear-cut leader as it delivers substantially more energy with good accuracy, reliability, and with a good hollow-point, isn't likely to over-penetrate (over-penetration wastes energy and presents a hazard for secondary targets). That said, my accuracy is better with the 9mm which gives me more confidence, and with a good 115gr +P+, can deliver energies comparable to the other two. In the final analysis, of the three calibers tested, if one makes a careful choice of cartridge and can hit their target, they should have no concerns of being insufficiently armed as far as handguns go.
Great video! 97% of the time I practice head shot's since I'm in a wheelchair I want them to go down.
A hole in the watermelon will definitely put down a big strong criminal. But a double tap to the chest will convince 99% of criminals that maybe they go home and leave you alone. Shattered chest bones are not something criminals enjoy.
I just believe in head shot's because I can't move around like I used to. There's a retired police officer who has written a book on head shot's only. After years of shooting at the body he started doing head shot's only. When my son was in Iraq his buddy and him with an M9 put 17 rounds into an insurgent who was drugged up. I watched a video on one shot and drop. The 357 was 1.75 to put an attacker down. The 38 special was 1.87, 45acp 2.05, and 9mm was 2.45 shots to stop someone. I carry a 357, but after reading that I switched to 38's. My hand's have arthritis bad, so less recoil is much better for me, along with my head shot's. Have a great night.
@@richardcolligon4277 you know your abilities and skills. If you feel confident in effectively landing head shots, I wish you the best, of course I hope you never actually have to shoot someone.
@@danielaramburo7648 I pray about it all the time. But I did in the military because I was coming home.
@@richardcolligon4277 remind me not to put a speed bump in front of your wheel chairđđ€Ł
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.
I would take the 45 because of accuracy and it is already 45 caliber, I have been shooting the 1911 5 inch since the 70s and have found it to be more accurate than the others
Nice!!! Federalâs definition of +P in 45 has always been a toss up and the non expanding round shows just how close Federal HST hollow points are from non expansion. Absolutely great video and power representation between the three. I canât see anyone arguing the three definite steps in power as the caliber is increasedâŠâŠ.and that 3/4â hole the HST in 45 is a reality check.
Thank you
@@GunSam Iâve got question to ponder, if the 45acp was designed to operate from a 5â barrel, why is it so hard to find a 45acp caliber semiautomatic with at least a 5â barrel? HK, FN are about the only tactical 45acp left and those are leftover from the 2005/2006 SOCCOM competition. Only the 1911 remains and even it is peddled with 4.5 and 3.5â barrels. I have a Taurus OSS DS Long Slide with a 5.3â barrel I purchased brand new in 2012. Thatâs also a leftover from the SOCCOM trials/competition. Those S&W 2.0 long slide are absolutely perfect for a 45acp cartridge but theyâre not available in that platform. Iâve never fired my Taurus OSS but keep it lubed and in its original case. I see a new and modern 45 tactical with a true full size 5+â barrel is very hard to come by.
@@turbo-bike7999 Probably was designed primarily with the 1911 platform in mind, and most of those run 5" barrels unless they are operator, compact, or long-slide variants. Looked at FN, Walther, Beretta, Kahr, HK, Sig, or Sarsilmaz for polymer 5-inchers?
have an Officers 3.5 inch 45. I used to carry it, but these days it is relegated to one of the home defense guns. I just keep FMJ in it. 230 grn. Works the most reliably, and JHP will not expand anyway out of this short barrel.
@@nathanlambshead4778 You might be better off running some soft lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoints if they can feed properly.
Your doing just fine buddy. Good test. Iâm thinking for the average shooter in mind itâs spot on.
Iâll take the .40S&W but step down to the 165gr HST. The only benefit I see in the 9mm is either off hand shooting or single hand shooting, and if Iâm doing that, the target is probably close enough that I want that extra energy. Fed .40 165gr HST = 1130fps and 468ft.lbs out of a 4â barrel, and not +p đ€âŠ 155gr Speer gold dots = 1200fps and 495(!!)ft.lbs đ„ŽYikes!!
I like 9mm best out of these 3. The reason is because I have shot a lot of semi autos, and no matter what the gun, it tends to be the most reliable.
@@GunSam Respect I just recently put together my first 9mm pistol. PSA Dagger slide, lone wolf Alpha wolf G19 barrel, and my G23 frame. Those 9mm mags are loaded with 124gr+P HSTđ€. Still havenât shot it yet but the two tone is sexy đ âŠ
180 gr for the 40 is too heavy! For the best performance try 155gr to 165 gr .
I agree. If you are using 180 grains in the comparison, 147 should be what is used in the 9mm
Agree... especially since the 40 cal was designed to shoot a 155 gr round, as I understand it. People seem to want to turn it into something that it's not. it is not a 10 mm pistol ( you know what I mean). It is not a 45.
I wish the people would test it using the 150-155 gr - which seems to be the sweet spot for the 40, ballistically, (going by the numbers).
Shoot 40 in a pistol designed for it ( S&W, Styer, VP40) and it is not "snappy" like in a Glock, Walter,, Ruger et al.... which were designed for a 9mm then retooled. It makes a big difference... also in longevity.of internals. I've heard the Beretta 96 has been beefed up pretty good. Probably a good choice, also, if you like Berreta.
Just ticks me of when people who should know better don't blame bad designs choices... no... They blame the round.
Long live the 40.
I am really a Fan of the 40
Glock perfection đ
Love my .40 M&P!
180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best for the .40 s&w, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w.
I agree. Unless someone is concerned with barriers. Then it's the 165's.
Paul Harrell is a .40 aficionado. His tests have shown it to have an edge over 9mm, the difference is small but consistent
Paul prefers the .357Sig over the .40.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 He seems to like his 38 Super 1911 which has a similar performance to the 357 sig.
Nice test. I carry a hellcat pro 9mm with the red dot and i love it. I do keep a G22 and a sig SP2022 at home. Both are .40
This is what I carry in my Glock 19. I really like the feeling of reliability it offers. I've shot a lot of it in training and I've yet to have a malfunction and the expansion in water jugs and meat targets had already been good. You did a great job in this demonstration.
Would love to see more .40
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.
40 40 40! đ
@@DinoNucci Even critters. 10mm for big game out of a 6 inch barrel. 220 hardcast 10mm 1200+fps 690-700+ FPE. 40+ inches of penetration. 10mm and .40 the little brother is the best option I think.
Awesome !!! I have all three calibers and love them all. But my 357 mag is definitely king, and my go to!! Keep up the great work.đđđ
Good consistent performance by federal
Battle for second place over the 357mag.. great video. Keep up the hard work..
Thank you.
@@GunSam how far from the Indiana line do you in Michigan?
.357 mag will always reign supreme in a handgun caliber.b
@@indianajets Half way from there to the bridge
@@GunSam I'm an hr south of the line.
Love this ! Right in my Wheel House .
Do you have an extra Glock .45 mag ? Most times it seems it's a mag issue .
Love seeing box's of 50 HST available again !
It's kinda funny watching you brag on the 9mm while holding your nose at the same time ! ( I've noticed that most of you Revolver guys do that )
Keep up the great work Gun Sam !
Was thinking that it would be cool to see the Underwood 155 grain xtp 40 s&w tested some serious energy on that one. This darn ammo shortage though.
I agree.. I feel that every time I see the comparison with the .40 people always put plus in the race. 9mm + p or .45 +p
I carry Underwood 185 grain +p 45's and they hit like a sledgehammer. Almost 600 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. If I connect center mass with only 1 round....It's all over for that criminal. Energy is on par with your average 357 magnum only with a much bigger bullet.
I really wish you would do another shot without denim when a round fails to expand. Again, just to see if itâs a velocity or barrier based failure.
He shot it into a chewed up blob of gel already destroyed by the other 2 calibers. Common sense would have dictated shooting at the upper third of the gel, but what do I know ..;
@@joeblowfromidaho3642 amen! joe! what do we know about nothing?
Again?
My new .45 HST vs Critical Duty "Modern Meat Target" test with both short and medium barrels czcams.com/video/RxTSGWJ-xKQ/video.html
40S&W is an awesome round.
Nice shooting with that 45 indeed! I would be more worried about falure to feed than 1 not expanding.
I would really like seeing the .40 135gn federal hi-shok... as long as it's not the "low recoil" variation. I want the blistering 1400+fps that a 135gn allows for.
Great test buddy. Very interesting results. If not for the malfunctions I would pick the 45 based off these results. I mean you were killing it for accuracy at 25 yards. Even with the failure to expand it didnt really penetrate more than the 40.
Odd that you had trouble though. Iâve never seen that with your gun shooting 45s. So based off that I probably would give the edge to the 40. It seemed more consistent and was plenty accurate enough.
This sounds crazy based off the 9s performance in the wood penetration test but I almost worry that it could under penetrate in an âintended targetâ if it hit something hard. That was a pretty big difference in penetration without the fiber board.
Great test though. I know this was a long winded comment but it was very interesting results. I could make a case for each one winning the competition and at the same time losing the competition.
This was the best comparison test ive ever seen, no complaints. You have a new subscriber!
Actually the 9mm will malfunction before the 40 when it comes to grip and limp wrist. Because of the low pressure of the 9mm thatâs why a lot of people like the plus p for the G19. Itâs actually a more reliable then standard pressure 9 in a Glock the 40 and 357 sig donât really have those limp wrist malfunctions .
I have some 180gr Winchester Ranger Tâs in 40. While it doesnât expand as big as the .45 ( lucky gunner shows 1.00â out of Kahr CW45 shirt barre), it still expands to .70 and goes about 16â out of a short Glock 27. Itâs what I have in my home defense gun now.
Love that you showed the same bullets in the different calibers. Thank you for saving me money đđœ
Nice video. Personally, I prefer my 147gr HSTs in ALL of my 9mm duty and off duty guns. âŠespecially in my M&P 2.0 5â FDE. My employer allows us to carry either Federal 147gr HST or the Winchester Ranger T 147gr for 9mm. We can also carry other calibers as well and at our choice.
I carry a 40 - a G22. However, all three are good rounds and the HST is obviously a great load.
Great video Sam. I sure thought that 45 would expand. Lucky Gunner tested that +p load and had 4 of 5 shots expand. They were using a Kahr compact with a 3.64" barrel too. Just shows how things can change. Also maybe blur out your gun during editing if it jams. Like how you would blur out a license plate? Maybe people will talk about it less. I know it irritates you. It's an ammo test not a gun review! Thanks for the video Sam!
If you do more videos like this you should do charts to compare side by side. Show footlbs of energy of the round based off fps and weight then penetration. That way people know how long it took to disperse the energy that it carried. That is what is the real trick to what ammo is most effective when it hits. How much energy it dumps into the target and how quickly. Was great to see a test done with the same brand and type of ammo and same barrel lengths. Would love to see it done with other common ammo.
DAMN dude your FDE M&Pâs are some of the most beautiful modern firearms Iâve ever seen. Awesome video man!
Thanks. Yeah, they are just what I happened to find for what I needed. They look different than just black which is cool.
@@GunSam Completely unrelated, but you seem like the right person to ask. Do you have any experience with factory glock 22 or 33 round magazines? Are they reliable? I was considering a 22 round mag for home defense but reliability matters most.
Love the Jays shirt!! Go Michigan!!
I was surprised that the fpe was so similar. Since I reload everything, I never compare factory loads. I have a mint condition 4006 for in the house, and a 5" XDM in .40 with a 507C for deer hunting. No complaints here.
I set here watching this while debating to myself witch caliber do I carry today. Thank you and keep The great work.
I have that same 40 I absolutely love it.
Thanks for your comparison between the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP all in +P. Always enjoy your tests with your thorough methodology. My EDC rotation includes each of them but today I happen to be carrying my FNX-40.
The 40. was standard pressure ammunition and it still outperformed the rest in my opinionđ
@@sluggfaro7658 Thanks for your comment. 40 S&W is a great caliber. My local police department carries 40 S&W in Glock 22 pistols.
I carry 40. Just feels safer
I really like your videos - very informative - lot of good stuff and information - especially like the way you format and illustrate all the component's of the self defense round. I particularly enjoyed this video as this round, the Fed HST is the primary round I use for both carry and home self defense - I shoot both 9mm and 45acp. My son also uses Fed HST but in the 40 S&W caliber. He and I both found this video very interesting. Keep this good stuff coming. !!! Thanx Again. From So. Texas - Mark C
Very well done! This is the first video I've seen of yours and it's great. Subscribed.
Thanks. I generally release 2 new videos a week on Tuesday and Friday.
40 S&W for the win. đ
Exactly so!!!!
I didnât even know you owned a 40. Iâve been wondering if you were ever going to to a video on 40.
Well over the course of a few years I got a lot of requests to test .40, so I went and bought one.
@@GunSam well you bought an awesome M&P. Iâm looking forward to some videos with it.
I was curious about getting another police trade in M&P but in 45 some time down the road. Watching the feeding issues is giving me second thoughts.
Bare gel 9mm wound channel was great. Hard to tell with the .40. It looks bigger than the 9mmâs after like 8â but itâs hard to tell in the first 8â cuz of the 9mm wound channel.
Love your videos! Check your front sight alignment on the 40. I have two M&P's where the front sight was not centered in the dovetail. I had the gunsmith at my local range drift the front sight back to center. Now both guns shoot dead center.
I tried to drift mine but could not. Even the rear sight should be driftable, but with the screw out it just does not move.
@@GunSam I think there is a special tool to drift sights. I pretty sure the smith put mine in a padded vice and used a sight tool.
That is the one thing I hate about S&W autos. They donât take the time to center the front sight correctly. I have two & both required a bench mounted vice, brass punch and a small sledge hammer. They are very difficult to drift.
My friend has an m&p and it had the same problem. Front sight visibly not centered and windage was off by a good 3-4â. I couldnât get it to move with a brass punch and smallish hammer.
I'll stick with my .40s.
A thump-up for the idea alone, now on riveted to my seat and watching the show.
OUTSTANDING!!!â€
Please do this again with 147gr. 180 and 230 is heavy for caliber so why not go heavy for caliber with 9? 147 is better for long barrel. 124 seems better suited for shorter barrels. Great video!
Thank you! This was done really well. Extremely under rated, good job brother.
Thanks for that test. These are three calibers that I am especially interested in. My primary carry gun has been a 1911 in .45ACP. It might not be the best, but the ergonomics and that SA trigger pull work for me. If there is any time where "shot placement" is going to be THE FACTOR then I want the 1911 in my holster. That being said, if I can find a more modern design that I shoot as well as I shoot the 1911, then 9mm or .40S&W might become my primary. Thanks.
Another great test by Sam, you're doing this correctly IMO, I/we appreciate your attention to detail.
I'm also in agreement with you on the choice for the 9mm. Ammo more avail, cheaper, etc.
Reliability, combined with excellent gel penetration makes it a winner.
disagree totally, the vest choice is .40 s&w, stop being a sheeple following the herd
That was a fun video. Those 9âs are hot! Coming pretty close to .357 Sig performance. Impressive. .40 did great. Somehow people think the .40 is like the worst cartridge ever devised by man. I donât get it. That non-expanded .45 was a head scratcher. The bullet didnât expand and didnât go through the MDF yet penetration equaled the nearly 3/4 of an inch expanded slug through the MDF. Very strange!
Very thorough! ... nicely thought-out and original content comparisons; many many thanks!
I believe that hot .40sw vs full load 357 mag would make a great test...
Filmed that yesterday with Gold Dot. It was a fun test.
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.
I've got to call bullshit about reliability. If you are firing with a weak wrist in any caliber you are going to have issued. This is why training the fundamentals needs to be focused on above all else.
You know I personally wouldnât mind seeing some car door testing on this channel. đ€©đđ€ You can find them at junkyards.
I have thought about it. More so windshields though.
@@GunSam Thatâd be cool đ too. I personally love the 40 S&W and .357 SIG because they do well on windshields.
Great video (Again)! Iâm an old timer,expansion or not the accuracy of the 45 and energy (watching it rock the steel) is my choice with a good 357 a close 2nd. Keep the videoâs coming
Hitting the target with a baseball bat would make it move even more. Means nothing for affectiveness though.
no the 9mm wouldnt be twice as powerful as 45 acp as its 124gr vs 230gr bullet weight plays a factor a lot more than giving credit for. my poit is your using the best 9mm and 45 acp against regular 40cal. so using the 155gr or 165gr 40 gives it better performance as it will be lots faster
Thanks. Another good video and ammo comparison. Thanks for sharing. Take care. A while back I was down at the farm with our great nephew, he was shooting his .40 and with me just standing there, it seemed like the .40 was a lot more powerful than my 9 mm. (maybe I was too close?)
Thanks. I remember the first time I shot handguns, it was with 9mm and .40 S&W Beretta pistols. I remember the 9mm being tame but the .40 rattled my teeth. Just a memory I have.
@@GunSam That is about the same experience I had. Caught me by surprise.
@@bobcatforever3485 Recoil and muzzle report are not necessarily indicative of energy or effectiveness xD
@@davidh9659 David. Thanks, I appreciate your comment. Even though I am pretty old, I am still in the process of learning a lot. Thaks again and take care.
@@davidh9659 Unless youâre shooting .357 Sig lol đ
Thanks
It's smart you test the wood penetration too.
I think the 9 mm ammo, case of fast-moving, hit the gel-block hard and so doesn't have good penetration.
We know the 9mm is narrower also :)
9mm generally does the best on dense barrier penetration, speed plus smaller diameter
I have a blast shooting my .9mm at the range. But if someone tries to get crazy in my house, theyâll see my .40 cal.
I don't understand why everybody's testing 4 and 1/2 and 5-in gun barrels. Most people that are carrying concealed or caring about a 3-in barrel. And these tests mean nothing if you aren't shooting it out of a 3 inch barrel.
I have an M&P9C 2.0 that absolutely hates all flavors of HST, never had a handgun that didn't like them. They are so off target I max out my windage adjustments and compensate 4" high at 50yds. I don't have that problem with my other handguns or different brands of ammo.
Happens sometimes. No gun is the same, even the same make and model will have one gun shooting a certain ammo fine and the other not so much. So it's good you know your guns.
@@GunSam I usually buy several different brands of HP to test in carry guns before I use them, but with the current situation I've been limited in selection and price range. Bought a few half cases of assorted HST years ago because most of my guns liked them except this one. I'm currently working on figuring out which duty HP this M&P likes. A bunch of cheap brands are exceptionally accurate but fail the 4 layer denim/gel tests.
As someone who doesn't like Glocks, I loved seeing the 45 jam. The gun that all the fanboys just love to tout as "it just works" and "never jams", and the fuckin thing don't work, and jams every round. đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
I have had the two Glocks I owned Jam. I have had three S&W autos and none have jammed, total for all 3 in jams is zero. Total in Glocks outside of my 10mm conversion, is probably like 25.