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.357 Mag FULL POWER 158 gr VS .40 S&W+P 155 gr Buffalo Bore
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2021
- Testing out the Buffalo Bore 158 gr .357 Magnum with an XTP bullet rated at 1,475 FPS VS their .40 S&W+P 155 gr XTP! I am doing a ballistic test into Clear Ballistics with MDF in the mix as well as using my Jug-or-Not box test. Thank you to Alexey S. for providing the .357 Magnum ammunition and as always, appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
I want to address the term "stopping power", as I use it a lot. Many times when I use the term, I get comments from people saying that they are done watching my videos forever because I used that term, and usually they will "inform" me that a gun cannot stop someone as to make them fall down instantly. I fully agree, but the term stopping power as defined by Wikipedia is the same definition that I understand it to be. Here is what it says;
"Stopping power is the ability of a weapon - typically a ranged weapon such as a firearm - to cause a target (human or animal) to be incapacitated or immobilized".
I fully agree with that definition, and I reassess that stopping power is a legitimate term. If it were not a legitimate term, than a .22 Short and a .44 Magnum would have the identical ability to stop a threat, which we know is not the case.
So according to Wikipedia then... stopping power = shot placement.
At least for most common calibers
Don’t worry about a few guys Sam , when I first subbed to you 2 accounts ago you had 15,000 now your up to 28,000 !
They are big babies that don't understand proper English that's all that's wrong with them keep doing what you do brotha I love this channel
awesome stuff dude i enjoyed yesterdays and todays both kinda prove its about hwere you put that round or projectile where the important thing i think the near miss with a 44 isnt good as the head shot with a 22 pistol.
Don’t worry about a hand full of know nothing keyboard commandos Sam. My 30 years of street experience includes three officer involved shootings and all of your videos support what I learned over the course of my career.
The 357 buffalo bore is what i carry in my 6 inch ruger GP100 on the weekends when im fishing for flathead catfish at night. Its a good security blanket.it gets a little spooky around 1am in the woods of ky
I'll bet. I listen to waaay too many "scary woods" stories to comfortably fish in the woods at night.
You know it's a good round when Sam says "I don't want to do this..." 😂😂😂👍👍👍
I think that is why he didn't use bologna, or baloney.
That S&W .40cal is nice! That .357mag is amazing. Both incredible cartridges!!!
About as good as duty cartridges come.
Love my M&P in 40.
I had never heard of +P in .40 S&W till today. Thanks for the info, Sam!
Just a term Buffalo Bore made up pretty much. The .40+P isn't a legitimate load.
Most people call the .40 S&W+P a "10mm Auto."
.357 Magnum FULL POWER is also a new one for me
The term +p with modern ammo basically just means it's a hot load lol.
that's because there is no such animal recognized by SAAMI...(just printing it on your box of ammo does not make it real....sort of like .45 'Long' Colt! :)
finally a really potent .40 s&w at the ideal bullet weight, ie; 155gr
Yes, 180 is for 10mm. 155-165 is the sweet spot.
Sam's test proves again the 357 Mag is superior to 40 S&W for...
...penetration & stopping power. It could be used for deer hunting, preferably under 50 yds.
Thanks for all your time & efforts Sam.
Thanks for watching!
Carbine for 357mag really makes it a performer.
Nothing like feeling the shockwave from the fireball coming out of .357 with a hot round
@carpe diem There are stats showing 380 doing better than 9x19. Doing better than 44 magnum in fact. Don't fall for stats. Handgun calibers all need to damage vital organs directly to work at all, no matter what the energy.
@@exothermal.sprocket specifically Buffalo Bore ammo. The 158 grain is cooking north of 2150 FPS out of a carbine… that makes for an excellent close range deer slayer that’s approaching 30/30 levels of energy
Hi Sam, great video as usual. I know bullets are better today, but back in the day it was common knowledge that the 125 gr 357 round was considered the best bullet weight for self defense, not the 158 gr. During the 60's and 70's, when I was a cop, the heavier 158 gr was slowed and did not perform much better than a 38+P. Same issue with the .40. Our department (Arizona DPS) went to .40's in mid 90's and they gave us 180 gr rounds. All the information I could find showed that the 135 gr round was a much better round as the velocity was a lot better. Just one old retired trooper's two cents.
Yeah, the best round was the 125 gr sjhp. I'm just going by the fact that the original .357 Mag was 158 gr, so it's very common and a good balance for many uses.
Thank you for this analysis and your credentials. I'm arguing all over the comments here in favor of lightweight bullets for high-pressure rounds like 9mm, ,357, .40, & 10mm, and heavyweight bullets for low-pressure rounds like .38, ,45 ACP, or .45 Long Colt.
The crucial difference I argue is that low pressure rounds (can, ought to) use a softer lead alloy and thus expand well at low velocities, while high pressure rounds use harder lead, and thus only expand well/consistently at very high velocities. Some bullets are poorly designed, and any company could save money by using a .357 bullet for a .38 w/o using the softer alloy.
I think the 158g .357 has plenty of velocity to expand reliably, at least a hot round should, but the 125g likely has enough penetration already. As I estimate, the 158g will perform better against barriers, soft "armor", or side/angled shots where extra penetration helps, and the 125g better with straightaway shots. It seems the FBI likes to err on the side of "a bit more penetration", at least with the 9mm, but I wonder if that even matters with 125g .357.
I don't believe 125gr is more effective than 158gr, a 158gr from a 4" barrel flying at 1,250 fps is going to stop any two legged threats faster than the 125gr.
@@perplexingperceptions8888 Today's bullets are better than in the past so the 158 gr is better. However, being a working lawman from late 60's through 80's when the 357 magnum was carried a lot, it was proven over and over that for self defense, the 125 gr was the best. Back then, most hollow points would not expand consistently unless the round was traveling at least 1200 FPS and most factory 158 gr barely reached that velocity.
The rounds don't seem comparable to me. 158gr for 357 mag isn't the best round, and BB is an extra hot brand of ammo.
125g is known as the hot round for 357, if you stack them up again do the Buffalo bore 125g 357. Also when I had a 40 I inquired about the 40+p and I read numerous results of long term issues and certain guns not being able to handle them, not sure about all that though. 40 won’t ever be a full power 125g 357, but for those wanting more out of their 40, do like me and get a 357sig or 10mm you won’t be disappointed
I always love these "my caliber can beat up your caliber" demonstrations. IMHO, shoving a hunk of lead into living tissue at high velocity will have a pronounced detrimental effect, regardless of caliber. YMMV, of course.
Either would work great. I’ve never been unimpressed by real 357 mag!
The mosquito at the end right on the camera looked big enough to be the mosquito that ate Chicago. Might need that 357 to take him down. 🙂
Anti-mosquito round, AA round, man stopper.
Another great video. The .357 hitting the metal reminds me of my one and only ND from 20 years ago. Shot a .357 semi jacketed hollow point through my bedroom wall, travelled through my walk in closet, most of my hanging dress shirts, hit the support bracket of the clothes bar and split in two. Then both halves went out the closet wall and penetrated my heating duct in my attached garage. 158gr .357 full power rounds are relentless indeed. I wanted to see if I could decock with one hand like the cool guys in movies. Two lessons learned: 1) I cannot and 2) practice cool moves with unloaded guns.
Thanks.
Kind of frightening. How old were you when you didn't know not to play with a loaded gun? And a magnum at that.
I still riding with my 40 as I have past 17 yrs. I run 180 gr +p Buffalo Bore and it takes care of all issues. I had to put a double diamond barrel in my Glock 27 to hold pressure safely
Quoting Arnold on Raw Deal - I take care of things....all kinds of things.
Extremely happy to see you combining the Jug or Not box with the gel!
Both are Beasts! I've always liked the American Eagle 158gr soft point for a general purpose round for my .357 mag, and anything I can find for the .40 S&W! The XTP is a Great bullet as long as you're pushing it fast! I'd love to see Hornady change from the XTP to a flex tip with 125-135gr for the .38 special in their custom line. Great Video!
American eagle 158 gr soft pt are real slappers n readily available One of my fave rounds
Try some hornady custom .357 if U come across some They pack a punch too 🥊
Yet another excellent production - of course, if 357mag is involved then it has a head-start already.
I found it interesting that the 357 penetrated a LOT farther than the 40 in the jugs, but not near as much in the gel. Thank you again for the continued outstanding content you provide for us.
Many thanks!
I still believe that 357 is the world's most perfect round. I still carry a 357 revolver more than my 9mm SW 2.0
You’re right. We love the JON box,
It's a good thing you were shooting when this occurred, that you didn't see it or hear it, but a mosquito with a 4 foot wing span flew right by you. I shit you not ! Biggest one I ever seed ! If he'd have attacked you I think you had plenty of gun, but.......WHEW !! He was a monster ! Signed, Doug.
If you want or need more than 35,000psi in .40S&W, you might as well go with a 10mm.
My thought exactly. Don't try to turn a 40 S&W into a 10mm auto. It will just beat itself to pieces.
No.
i'm not sure why they made it a +p loading when you can get 1325fps +/- with about 600 energy using a standard load. but going +p in a 40 gets same pressures as +p in a 9, so why not go to a 357 sig (which puts you on the same level as the full power standard 40) instead of 9+p?
@@boedude8496 , I was thinking the same thing.
That is true but not everyone can afford to go buy another guns. There is lots of young dudes out there starting a family and one gun is the best they can do. Also I don't think the +p load is something that will be shot everyday, just like nobody drives there car as fast as they can on a daily bases. I think the 40 is a cool round and never really understood why the FBI didn't keep the 10mm and use the lighter FBI and have full power on hand for punching through heavier barriers.
The 40 S&W & 10mm are amazing semi auto cartridges
Bought my first.357. in 1980. Early on realized the 125 gr. JHP was terrific for shooting just about anything that needed to be shot. For medium game a good 140 - 158 really gave outstanding results. Have shot thousands of rounds in the G-22, usually 180gr. Really liked it.
I have been shooting .357's among others for 50 yrs and it is a hard hitting rd no question about, which is best is always depends on application and ammo selection. I have seen deer taken at 100 yds with the .357 no problem and know of 150 yds. I have never been a fan of plus P or special kill'em dead ammo as "most" do not perform as advertised. Never been a fan of the 40 cal I think if you want to move up then it would be the 10 mm but it is really overpower for most applications. I think we live in a time when propaganda about performance and the desire to entice folks to buy new firearms is paramount in the gun industry, let's face facts the 38, 380 auto and 9mm are more than adequate for personal protection. And now the debate will rage on.
How in the world did I miss this video... great video... people ignored the fact that as the 9mm got supped up, the same happened with the 40s/w supped up to .357sig performance.. we shoot the 155 or 165 grain .40’s for better penetration... the 357mag is NOTHING NICE... great video
That 40 is screaming hot, but I still prefer the 357. Both are excellent choices.
I believe underwood loads their 155 grain 40 loads a lot hotter than Buffalo bore does. You have people in the review section that are using 5 inch barrels showing their chronograph readings and they are up in the 700+ft lbs around the 357 mark. I know ammo is tough to find right now but it would be cool to see the 155 grain underwood load tested. Keep the content coming brother, great channel!
I have noticed that also. Buffalo Bore in revolver is always hotter than Underwood, but Underwood wins in semi auto ammo, like .45 ACP at near 700 FPE and 10mm at 800 FPE.
3 words - DoubleTap
@@ReapAndReave man what are you smoking..
Just tuned in. I'm gonna say .357 will come out on top. Yes, I'm somewhat of a fudd.
What’s a fudd ?
@@YemenMUFC oldschool. Like wood and blued guns. Similar to boomer, but I'm only 42. Boomers are 60s and older mostly.
@@YemenMUFC think "elmer FUDD"... from the buggs bunny cartoons... the hunter with the double barrel shotgun
I haven't watched yet either, other than the beginning. I agree IF the ammo was comparable, which I don't think it is. BB is an especially hot ammo and 158gr isn't the best 357mag.
My two favorite calibers for edc. Great video!
Thank you
It's not the round's fault that the Glock 22 shoots low at that distance. It's a combination of the Glock sights being designed to shoot low (I don't know why Glock does it) and, you did not seem to be using the trigger reset. By releasing the trigger all the way out, you are stuck with the crappy 5.5 pound Glock trigger. If you use the trigger reset feature (release only till you feel the click, and then pull the trigger again) your subsequent shots will have a real crisp 3 pound trigger pull. It takes a bit of practice to master, but it is well worth it. Great video. The .40 is a much better round than most shooters think. I don't think I would shoot the BB +p ammo in my Glocks though (even with the fully supported chamber). Thanks for doing this gel testing so we don't have too!
Thanks again, Sam. My first personal firearm was a Colt Trooper .357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. It packed a wallop.
Beautiful revolvers
ALWAYS enjoy your videos Sam because they always give great information both the jell and juggernauts. Your camera work is great but always enjoy when you're taking the longer target shot WITH one of your camera's focused up close to your steel target. Thanks Sam!
Idk how long you've been around but u deserve more recognition and subs
Thanks. I started doing guns on here in 2009. Very slow growth.
I'm not a .40 guy, but I do have a USP in .40, and I love it. It's built like a tank, and has eaten a steady diet of 135gr Underwood loads (~1400fps/588fp) with no hiccups. Might have to give those Buffalo Bore rounds a try.
As always a great production. Thanks for hitting the jug-or-not box! Good to see it in action.
Once again, revolvers come out on top in the Revolver Aficionado's testing. Do you think Gun Sam is just a front for Big Revolver?
Just jivin' . Current GunTube personal top 4: Gun Sam, Ron Spomer, Wilson Combat, and the Scoutten Boys.
People started calling me Gun Sam RA for Revolver Aficionado. A year later I was diagnosed with RA.
@@GunSam I'm sorry to hear that. You have my regards for this. Get your Western Blot X Borrelia panel worked up by an ID doc before you give up. Just sayin'
Keep up the fine work. Rock that 40 cal
Try to get your hands on a 357 carbine like a rossi 92 and maybe a Hipoint carbine for the 40. I reload for 357mag and The velocities are excellent with the carbine. My Ruger GP100 gets 1490 f/s and the same round in my Rossi rifle gets 1920 f/s. I use 17gr of H110 over a 158gr XTP.
Anyhow, I am very curious how B.Bore ammo shoots with a long barrel.
Mr GS - You are something of a 'Clear Thinker' asking very pertinent questions. - Buffalo-Bore could be "the Thinking man's ammo maker" as their stuff really works eh. - And I truly enJoy the Jug-or-Not box when you get the splashback in the warmer season. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
Dude! Hitting that metal would simulate a gold chain.
😅🤣😂I agree!
.40 Sw has a great potencial with Full size guns....
I agree 100& this new keys see how small and light attitude has really hurt the fill potential of many rounds.
Like Clint Smith owner of thunder says your carry gun should be comforting not comfortable. I've carried a full size all steel 1911 for 30 years its not hard to conceal a full size gun you just make adjustments to your wardrobe.
Actually, like a human sausage, size has nothing to do with it. Fatter bullets are less affected by barrel length compared to .30 cals (9mm/357sig). A G27 is often MORE accurate than a G23. A G30 in .45 is definitely more accurate than a G21, as the subcompacts have more sectional rigidity. However WEIGHT makes a serious impact towards recoil mitigation. The most accurate concealment .40 would technically be a Glock 29 with a .40 cal barrel conversion.
@Freddy Ruger Probably shooting just isn't for you🤷♂️
I'm impressed with all this buffalo bore you've been shooting lately. Very good consistantly. The std deviation and extreme spreads are better than I'd have expected. They also seem to be really close to the MFG velocity claims as well.
Personally, I prefer the 140 gr. in .357. But 158 is still a good load. Most people sing the praises of 125 gr. in .357 but I feel the slightly heavier bullet gives better penetration and more reliable performance.
.357 Buffalo Bore 125 grain expands very rapidly, to rapidly IMO. I agree that 140 grain is the sweet spot for there ammo when it comes to 2 legged protection. It’s also cooking out of my 6” GP100 7 shot.
Just keep doing what you do! Lots of folks enjoy your content. I very much enjoy and look forward to seeing your videos.
Thanks, will do!
Nice!!! Thank you for your time and effort, much appreciated 😉
Thanks for watching
I like both rounds but tend to carry 40. If not 45. Both S&W. Great video. Have a fantastic day buddy.
.357 Magnum a Love Supreme in the handgun world. Excellent work Sam! Thank you for showing some exotic rounds for us. Very nice shooting considering the not so planned wire demo. ♠️☯️🎩
Thanks. I try to go with the flow. Keep my wits and not be like some people "well, uh I don't know what happened" lol, I see that a lot.
@@GunSam you're doing fine Sam. I know there's the haters and negative commenters. So what you do your thing boss and keep shooting. We'll keep watching.
I almost didn't clicked on the thumbs up button. It was on 357.....Well now it's 358. Both rounds are very effective and have street credibility. Great visual presentation. To those that say a pistol won't drop something instantly, you have watched too many bs videos. You take out the nerve center and down you go....lights out. Now...to find some of that ammo for my 686.
I always look at it like this; when I see that gel block lift and shake, makes me think there is no way the wind would not be knocked out of someone even for just a moment, as where stuff like 9mm never lifts and shakes it.
@@GunSam a lot of it has to do with how committed is the individual to the fight. Take out the heart and if the combatant is committed, they will operate until the oxygen is depleted to the brain that causes it to shut down. Best example of that is the 1986 Miami FBI shootout. One combatant had a fatal wound but stayed in the fight until oxygen level dropped and shut down the brain. Shot placement is key. Most bad guys aren't that committed...
Thanks. Another good video. I think some people just want to see you get a shower when shooting high powered rounds into the Jug-or-Not Box. That .357 Mag was pretty impressive in the box! Take care.
Thanks. Yeah, the jug test sometimes makes filming difficult, but people like it.
I'd love to see an old school vs new school police loads test like 158 grain .38 special or 125 grain .357 vs 124 grain 9mm and 180grain 40 Smith and wesson
Here in Canada…… we are stuck with what we currently have for handguns.
Couldn’t buy another one if you wanted, or if it was your dieing wish 🤦🏻♂️
So happy I have couple 357 revolvers!
Pretty versatile, strong, and reliable
I have thought about what little I know about your laws and realized, that I never leave home without my snub nose revolver. I live in Michigan so it's real easy to cross over, but I couldn't even declare I have that and legally enter. I'd have to carry something bugger like my 5" semi autos and case them in the trunk probably, if that's even allowed.
🎉👏🏼Jug or Not👏🏼🎉 returns!
Love your content Sam! Hope to see your channel continue to grow, you deserve it! Peace in Christ brother
That .40 is pretty badass. But I think a lighter +P .45 ACP is the top. Beside 10mm
Low-pressure rounds (eg .45ACP, .38spcl. .45 Colt) tend to work more efficiently with heavier bullets, recoil notwithstanding. Low-pressure rounds are fundamentally different than high-pressure rounds, due to the softer lead-alloy they are (can be) made with. A .45 ACP (or .38 spcl, .45 Colt) hollowpoint can mushroom at very low velocities, but not so a 10mm or .40 cal or 9mm or .357 mag. High-pressure rounds rely on velocity for expansion, low-pressure rounds rely on softer lead. Heavier 10mm bullets (185g) with moderate loading pressures expand unreliably, and the same for many .40 cal bullets. Virtually all .45 ACP rounds will expand above maybe 600 fps.
@@xxxYYZxxx 185 and 200 gr +p .45 hit in the 500s. But 230 can almost never reach 500 ft lbs.
@@berettaxd7566 True, but the Power of each of those rounds is virtually identical. (Power = Mass x Velocity). Energy is Mass x Velocity^2. The purpose of squaring the Velocity is to derive an "instant", while Power is given over time (ie, Mass X Ft/Second).
The difference between light & heavy bullets amounts to higher energy bullets dumping more power sooner, while heavier bullets retain more Power deeper into the wound channel. The bottom line is that "muh ft/lbs of Energy" isn't all it's cracked up to be.
It doesn't make sense to give a "Power" rating, so Energy is the rating because it's given at an "instant" or point in time, not over some or another period of time.
Heavy vs. Light is a tradeoff because if the round dumps too much energy too fast, it makes a big splash, but doesn't penetrate very well. Heavyweight .45 bullets tend to do their dammage deeper into the wound compared to lighter weight bullets, which is a significant bonus if/when barrier penetration is an issue. With .45, it's nearly a moot point, as 185g and 230g are both quite good, but with other rounds like 10mm, .40 cal, and 9mm, using the lighter weight bullets is more crucial.
@@jorgesolis9468 10mm is a much higher pressure round than .45 ACP. The big difference is that 10mm bullets need a harder lead alloy, meaning they require high velocity to mushroom, while .45 is much softer. .45 ACP HP can mushroom at very low velocity, but with 10mm (and .40 cal, and 9mm), heavier bullets and/or light loads can yield inconsistent expansion.
The gel was weakened by the 40 before the 357 shots. Still think the 357 is a little more powerful. I like them both. Good video. Thanks for doing these.
OH YES, THE JUG O NAUGHTBOX IS BACK...THANKS.
honesty is respected
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Great content as usual! Thanks for posting!
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. As long as your handgun has a supported barrel, it doesn't need a supported chamber.
Cool test. Those are some impressive rounds. I’m glad you shot the water jugs too. I always get a good laugh out of you getting wet. 😉
Thanks!
Stopping power is just a term, it does mean if something happens to stop whatever they get hit with a 22 long rifle or a 500 mag
THEY STOPPED
hense STOPPING POWER 😳👍🏻
GOOD VIDEO SAM !
The bullet-shattering wire reminds me of an idea I've had for armor plating, namely a way to break up the bullet before it hits the main plate. My idea is a razor-sharp honeycomb plate the bullet must pass through, with one honeycomb plate offset just over another, so any shots centered to any one cell in the honeycomb gets sliced by the 2nd honeycomb.
I noticed fencing being put on the front of vehicles in the middle-east and then read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slat_armor
Funny, my ammo design was designed to open up about and inch before hitting anything, and break into honeycomb shaped fragments to slip through honeycombs. But of course i'm joking.
I recall a video of shooting through a Kevlar vest with a 7.62mm Tokarev into a pine board. Interesting thing was, the hole the 7.62 punched through the pine board was SQUARE! This means the weave of the Kevlar swaged the bullet from a round into a square cross section as the bullet penetrated. Something to consider.
Titanium plated ceramic discs that make up the new flexible rifle armor (sorry,can't recall company name but they advertise regularly on gun media platforms) sounds closest to your concept. The titanium backed with zirconia ceramics attempts to smash the bullet as much as possible for the laminate layers behind the discs.
It is the new evolution of Dragon skin(which for some reason has failed to perform as promised.) Oh, "Safelife defence", check it out.
158 grain bullets is what I shoot in my 357 and it slings them pretty accurate unless I'm off
They aren't all alike. Lots of different 158gr bullets meet different barrels. Even if you had the same 686 that left the factory right next to his it's not the same. If you want to share your experience you have to name what kind of 158gr bullet from which company or with which load, which powder and out of which revolver and barrel length at what distance. Do you use the same buffalo bore ammo?
@@onpsxmember no I haven't tried them yet but I have shot several different brands and from round nose, semi-wadcutters, to hollow points and in my Ruger revolver they shoot the same
158's are great as the wear and tear is low, nice forcing cone seal. I wore away a small amount of my inner forcing cone just from .38+P alone, as I shot thousands and thousands of 125 gr.
Alexi!!!! More Alexi!!! Thanks for the video, Sam.
More to come!
I own and love 40 s&w pistols the true American caliber. I am picking up a 357 magnum after this video. I own two 38 specials, but need a 357!
Reminds me of the Legend of Gun Sam, who took his only begatten Jug-Or-Not to the top of the hill and shot Abulone off his face.
Good video. I don't think I've seen as a more compete and comparable .40 vs 357 video. I'm a .357 fan. The Ruger SP101 is my EDC. My Ruger Blackhawk is in my shoulder holster when I'm out and about on the farm. I've taken 5 deer with my Rossi lever action. I tried deer hunting with the Blackhawk last season, but the deer stayed outside my comfort zone. Hoping, this season will afford me an oportunity.
Wow, another great video. You really do a great job! -Gunny T sends
Thanks again!
Great info as always Sam.
Can you do a .40s&w vs 10mm Buffalo bore video? Would love to see the results 🔥🔥🔥
That 357 sure moved the plate...
Glad the jug-or-not is getting some love.
This is what 40 defencive should be not some 350fpe that doesn't expand and has no point,
This is a 40 round that even the haters can't deny
my 2 favorite cartridge calibers
I love your videos homie keep up the good work
Oh yeah could you do more 40 vs 357 mag with a hot 135 grain 40 and a hot 125 grain 357 thanks big bro for your time
Appreciate it
Great video man i have a 40 and baffalo bore ammo i just haven't shoot it yet thanks for taking the time
Not a bullet performance question, but a jug "performance" one. Looks like your jugs have screw on lids. I'm seeing more & more jugs that once you pull the strip around the cap, the cap just snaps on. Have you shot any with snap on lids? Do they behave similarly? My thought is lid will pop off easier & therefore less likely to split the body of jug. Your thoughts or experience?
I have taken whitetail at 50 yards with 357 ... 158gr jsp from a rossi 971 7 inch barrel .. and this year took a deer at 110 yards again 158gr jsp but out of a rossi R92 with 16 inch barrel ..
I was just thinking, as I watched you shoot the 40 SW, that you are a true revolver shooter like me. Even with auto loaders I hold the same. Just got used to shooting revolvers with flash gaps. Good shooting by the way. And 357 is just about the best all around caliber for a handgun in my opinion, depending on what it is being used for. I keep my office drawer 357 loaded with 125 grn SMJHPs, and when taking walks in spring time here in black bear country I load with 180 grn BuffBore Hard cast.
Great video 👍🏻. I picked up a Taurus 605 and ran across your channel. Definitely subbed.
Good stuff. I'm sticking to Federal 180gr fmj for my 40cal. Deep penetration and economy for my time in the woods. The holloepoints are for back to civilization.
I completely agree! Plus the flat nose on the .40 fmj, definitely effective 😎
Great vid!! I own a 686+ (3") and a G23 w/kkm barrel. I have shot HOT loads through both and while both shoot well for the 1st shot, I can testify that I'd 100% for sure rather shoot the Glock if I had to make repeated hits in quick succession. (I think I'd also rather have a full size 40 rather than my compact G23)
Thanks
The 40 is trying to be a 10mm🤷♂️ and that’s a 357magnum.
You're right the .40 is a 10mm kurz
@@nixter8739 40 s&w can reach lower end 10mm and 357 mag
@@jonathansistrunk6260 not sure of your reply. I've seen a chrono test where the factory loaded 40's fps beat the same companies factory 10mm's fps. To be fair, the 40s or 10s should probably be compared to a 41 magnum, nothing against a 357/38 my favorite. Hopefully gunsam can get a 41mag someday, it would be intersting to see.
@@nixter8739 I wouldn't mind seeing that or hot 41 mag vs hot 44 mag
Rough day vs steel. I get it. Never tried those specific loads.
155 Speer Gold Dot give me 1210fps from a Glock 22.
158 Speer Gold Dot from a 38Spc give me about 850fps. If they make that in 357, I've never seen it.
Nice video
Thanks for sharing, awesome and I love my.357’s
wow those rounds are crazy powerful. I'd like to see what they both do out of a carbine!
Yes, carbine.....
The 158 grain Buffalo Bore .357 was chronographed at 2153 FPS out of a 18 1/2” carbine. That’s approaching 30/30 levels of power at the muzzle! Excellent close range deer slayer I’d say. Would need to get a .40 in either a keltec sub2000 or a Ruger PC40 to see what it could do
@@sleeper.simulant7327 Holy Blyat!
Long range you may better start with 25 yards to better see where they are hitting and than go up.
Love the .357
I saw the after effects of a .357 125gr head shot. The jug shot was close.
The 'VS' title needs to be retired. It confuses folks. A lot of people have trouble understanding that comparing two things is not the same as those two things competing.
It's one of the mainstays of my channel. To say it need to be retired is pretty rude.
Good demonstration.
Thank you sir.
Those loads are really hot! Unless they were tested in a proper pressure barrel I would avoid them. Not a fan of "seat of your pants" reloading by some companies. Either they have proper lab equipment, or they don't. Also the FTF on the .40 S&W is concerning. That load may be a real problem functioning with a limp or weak handed grip. Real gunfights often require non-typical handling of the sidearm. You deon't always get to assume a straight arm, two handed grip, squared up against your target.
I agree with you that the term stopping power is a little bit weak for any pistol cartridge.
I would suggest that you use the criteria that has been known for years to be the most important at stopping someone from doing a nefarious Act. And it has nothing to do with penetration like the FBI so frequently likes to talk about. Don't listen to the FBI they know nothing of which they speak most of the time when it comes to understanding ballistics. The criteria is maximum permanent wound cavity. Furthermore, you have to use the proper gelatin mixture. I don't like gelatin tests, but it is consistent but the clear Joe is not indicative of projectile performance. I've never even envisioned the concept of being attacked by a bowl of jello. But maximum permanent wound cavity has always been the criteria that has been associated with one shot stops which is why the 357 125 grain hollow point has always been the King of the Hill and still is today it is also the second highest Firepower weapon on the street today, second only to the 38 Special revolver. Go figure I suggest you actually read the definition of Firepower before you think that a 19 round 9 mm has more Firepower than a 6 shot 357.
You did not get less bullet expansion with the non MDF projectile, it went further and folded back more.
357 is just awesome
For long range shots may I suggest that your put up a large piece of cardboard behind the target.
When you are unable to determine where the shots that miss are impacting you can tell from the impacts on the cardboard how you have to adjust your aim.
While that sounds simple, i'd have to walk down there after each shot to know. I simply wouldn't do that
Nobody could ever accuse you of not showering.
I shower too much lol. Skin is really dry. With the thick coating of bug spray in the summer and with the sweat drenching from layering clothes in the winter, my first stop at home after securing the guns is the shower.
@@GunSam nothing wrong with being clean. I've seen or rather have smelled far too many people that should adopt your technique of keeping clean
357 straight up beats 40 but the capacity and ease of reloads makes the 40 a great over package for defense and woods gun . Also most 40 can drop in 357 sig . But 40 has very versatile loadings from 135 , 155 ,165 and 180 .
Enjoyed the video. I have a Taurus 65 .38/357. I’m almost afraid to shoot a .357 load due to my old hands. I really like the .40 out of a full sized handgun (no micros.) I have a Beretta 96FS for home defense using Speer 185g Gold Dot G2 LE.
Great video Sam try wearing your swim trunks shooting the jug or not