What If Daemon Had A Son With His First Wife? (House Of The Dragon)
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Ever since the Lady of Runestone was seen on screen many, myself included, have wondered what could have happened if the rogue prince had actually done his duty to his first wife and what could have come of it. We explore that today.
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"Maegor The Bronze Prince."
That's a cold name right there!!!
😮
Nay, the Bronze Dragon.
And none is a more fitting dragon to be his mount but The Bronze Fury himself
What if Viserys only have daughters with Alicent?
I've been wondering this one as well.
@mmatheusdemello2323 Otto would develop a bad habit, of ripping his hair out behind closed doors. (4/9/2024)
I mean I think it’s pretty simple. They may still hate each other but
A: Alicent gets them married off to high houses and tries to have one of her daughter be ruling queen instead
B: Rhaenyra remains heir, still with turbulence because gender. Alicents children have children and they produce male heirs they try to put on the throne.
Oooh cool
@@JaiAuthentiit’s likely Rhaenera would’ve been killed by her sisters lol
Of the fan-fictions I've read that give Daemon and Rhea a child, it's more commonly a daughter. If that had happened, I can picture only one of two names: "Alyssa", for the mother Daemon was known to have been very close to, or "Alysanne", as a way of mocking the grandmother that forced this marriage upon him. Boy or girl, I can see Daemon, in the earliest days of the child's training, using small taunts to make them fight harder and learn faster: "Will you be like your mother, or will you embrace the dragon inside?" Also, Rhea could still die in this new timeline, but in a different way. If she, for example, passed from complications in childbirth, this would leave Daemon as co-regent for their child, until he or she came of age. It would also make his drunken joke about Aemma and baby Baelon's deaths far worse than it already was. Viserys would be doubly-furious, unable to fathom why his brother would say such a thing, after going through a similar experience. (4/9/2024)
Yeah... yeah I can see that.
I think the fan-fics of then often having a daughter makes it easier to still have a dance. Cause a Targaryen Prince that's added into the mix now adds another possible claimant for King should they war with the Greens
Love to see an AU where Aegon bent the knee to rhaenyra so the greens back Aemond instead
Man how could you not do a part 2 to this? Imagine a worst case scenario where the dance becomes between the Blacks, Greens and Bronzes, that's just 1 possibility as well...
I know it probably won't happen but I'd love to see a part 2 exploring some of the possibilities in this video expanded upon. Anyways love your videos, always get excited when I see a new upload.
Then the Greens will probably win. Daemon was the most proactive member of the Black faction, as he was the only one able to challenge Aemond and basically single-handed secured the Riverlands for Rhaenyra, which ends up being VERY important.
And both factions will be weaker, and seem weaker as well, which means more lords will support Aegon, giving the Greens even more of an advantage.
Im not sure if this is another Brienne situation where they hired an actress far too attractive for the role cause when i was watching the show i just assumed Daemon was salty cause Rhea is NOT ugly lol
The thing is that Rhea is never described in the book, so we don't know if she was ugly like Daemon had said or not. But with how petty Daemon can be she probably wasn't
What if alicent Accepted rhaenyra offer to marry jace to helaena
Nothing would’ve changed really. Aegon is still a problem not to mention her other sons.
Right - Vermithor would be PERFECT for a Royce!
I like how Daemon having a son with a woman his age cured him of his affection for teenaged girls
Wouldn’t Maegor be the heir to the throne? The only reason why rhaenyra became it was because daemon was too shitty and there were no other options, even if Otto is so against daemon he would still prefer to just surpass him and use his son, it’s would be easier to convince him and it would be a possible marriage for allicent
Yeah, honestly I would be surprised if Viserys selected Raenyra after disinheriting Daemon instead of point blank stating that Maegor would be his heir. Then the Dance would be Otto and Daemon playing a proxy war to get Allicent or Rhaenyra to marry Maegor to safeguard their pathway to control of the throne.
Good point about Maegor being the heir to the throne, but if that did happen I don't think he would marry Allicent if Otto offered it.
Because I don't think people realise that Maegor may be the one person that would hate Otto more than anyone else and yes even Deamon, I'm sure we can all agree that given who our bronze dragon is named after Otto would throw it in his face the most out of everyone, I mean imagine if Maegor was in the small council meeting with his dad and when Otto stands up Maegor puts his hand on his sword.
Otto "God's be good the old king was right the cruel name is a curse, look at the litte bronze dragon reaching for his sword, you see everyone he frist thought was violence".
@@phil.moloney2980 I'm not sure, I think Otto might be willing to look past his name if it means putting his blood on the throne.
To be fair, this is probably the Westerosi equivalent of Germany electing a guy named Adolf H. for president
What if all of Viserys and Aemma's Children that died had survived?
Would that be disastrous? Because Jaehaerys literally had so many kids, but they kept on causing so much trouble throughout the Seven kingdoms.
Imagine Viserys would have alot of headaches with many kids, he has political headaches with Rhaenyra, but with siblings that causes trouble as well. Would really drive Viserys crazy 😅
Jaehaerys was also a bad dad. I think Viserys would have been a good father to a brood of children with Aemma.
@@maishaahmed915 Yup. But imagine those kids caused a little bit of mischief. And that's what I am very curious about
@bizarreconvos Besides Baelon, the only names for sons that would be pretty much guaranteed would be "Aegon" and/or "Jaehearys". As for other girls...maybe "Alyssa", but I'm not sure if he was as close to their mother, as Daemon was. I could see him, naming one daughter after Aemma's mother, Daella. Another girl could've been named "Rhaenys", as a way to soothe whatever bad feelings existed over his cousin's gender, eliminating her from serious throne contention. Obviously, a confusion-eliminating nickname would have to be used. (4/9/2024)
I think at least one of the boys who died was named Aemon
This would make the royces the second official branch of house targaryan. They would be similar to baratheons
Wouldn't the Iron Throne be alarmed at the consolidation of power between the Arryns and the Royces? Wouldn't the rest of the Vale lords also be upset at this consolidation? There might be a civil war in the Vale to prevent the hegemony.
I like to think that Maegor and Laenor were at least friends during the war. I mean, theyre the same age and well, its nice to hang out with someone your age, especially when everyone else is old enough to be your dad or grandpa.
I’d honestly take a part 2 to this, plenty of potential especially if Maegor does marry Rheanrya. Love your what ifs and I’m excited for more!
I love Gerrold's voice goes down several octaves when he asks "what inheritance ". 🤷🏻♀️😂😂
If maegor is married to rhaenyra, they have 7 children. 4 boys- baelon heir to the iron throne aegon heir to rune stone aerion spare for both. and viserys and 3 girls - visenya alyssa and aemma.
If maegor Is married to laena, they have 4 children, 2 boys, heir to rune stone jacerys, and aelyx spare , and 2 girls' twins, rhaena, and aella
if maegor is married to alicent they have 5 children 3 girls- helaena rhae and maegelle and 2 boys aemond and daeron
It would be interesting if this hypothetical maegor will weald both darksister and lamentation (the valyrian steel sword of house royce) in this timeline
I guess rhea's son can also plot his way for iron throne during TDOD.
Here’s a potential what if “what if the wound Rhaenyra received from Alicent got infected and caused her death?”
What if Daemon became Kings insted Viserys ( Viserys died before Jaehaerys And Daemon Is only posible male heir)
And missara look like a targ in the book
I suppose it would depend on the time in the marriage he was born; if early enough- he could be a marriage prospect for Rhaenyra, if later- who knows...?
I do think Daemon will only accept Rhaenyra to be his in-law for several reasons,
1. To united the claim of two lines of Prince Baelon's descendants, Viserys line and Daemon line.
2. Daemon worships Valyrian tradition and is committed to the true Targaryen lineage, although Maegor himself is a half Targaryen-Royce,
it's better for Maegor to marry a direct Targaryen like Rhaenyra, rather than marry him to a non-Targaryen woman (even Laena Velaryon).
3. Marriage between Maegor and Rhaenyra will make Daemon get into the position of power,
since his son will be the Prince Consort when Rhaenyra ascends the Iron Throne.
Rhea didn’t seem like a bad person, but she was pretty short and unfriendly to her cousin shortly behind she encountered Daemon.
Please continue this. Now this is a really good what if
Love the vids !
What if Daemon died in the stepstones
Ooooh, interesting. Does Corlys win the war regardless, or do they lose because Daemon dies? Those will probably be at least slightly different scenarios.
YESSSSSSSS!! I’m glad King Maegor finally gets some love! LONG LIVE KING MAEGOR
What if aemon and baelon the brave survived and rhaenys and viserys married uniting the bloodlines of aemon and baelon
What if Everyone found out about rhaneyra and harwins relationship
Add to this what if King Viserys named the son of Prince Daemon and Rhea Royce as his heir?
This what-if gael targaryen lived during hotd? You would have an extra targaryen (possibly dragon rider) and marriage candidate for house targaryen.
What if that wild boar 🐗killed rhaneyra in the kingswood
Aegon becomes king unopposed, maybe Daemon makes a claim later, but he'll have little support so I doubt that'll succeed.
If Rhaenyra died without having children there woukd not have been a Dance of Dragons at all. Aegon as Viserys' heir would have greater claim than Daemon
Okay, I like this. I really like this!
What if Viserys married Rhaenys
Dragons eat sheep... Dragons don't fuck sheep
Would you mind if i used this for a fanfiction?
This scenario is amazing. Please do more gang.
Damon is a Targeryen supremacist, that's why he didn't want to consumate his marriage to his wife.
He was the brother of the king, uncle of the future Queen (or King, had Viserys changed his mind), he could gladly have had any other lovers even if he didn't love his wife, he still could have "suffered through" shooting his load in her to get heirs.
But she was not of Targeryen or valyrian descent. Laena for example was both (being a Velaryon and the daughter of a Targeryen). And then if course there is Rhaenyra.
And if Maegor existed, Viserys would probably already have betrothed him to Rhaenyra and he might not have gotten a new wife at all, freeing up Alicent.
Who would you fancast as Maegor? I lean towards Tom Blyth.
Maybe Timothée Chalamet
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks I can see that.
What if instead of fighting they all shared milk and cookies?
Margor literally saved the Targaryen dynasty. His reign is only considered cruel etc bc his brother’s line was soft and the maesters tell the story
It’s also not a good thing for dragon riders to breathe with non-dragon riders because then you give everybody a dragon nobody is powerful anymore. That’s the reason Targaryen typically sleep with other Targaryen.
I really like this what if idea and I hope that you make it into a series like the what if with the greens, the reason why I like it is because to have my favorite targaryen name riding on my favorite dragon, well second favourite dragon but it doesnt really matter but I think this new Maegor will not only try to make his own legacy but I think he might pull a card form the guy he named after, you mentioned who would he marry but I can see him pulling a Maegor the cruel and marry all the girl you mentioned at the end.
Great video topic if Daemon had a son he has so much more options for power.
I want a part two
Daemon doesn’t like her because he is a Targaryen and he believes he should have a Targaryen like all the other Targaryens
This was an interesting change that i very much enjoyed.
Interestingly enough, the only King I think lives up to and surpasses his namesake is Viserys II, especially if you include his years of Handship. It would be really neat to see a second Maegor that is the complete opposite of Maegor the 1st Targaryen personality wise, beloved by the realm, not grumpy, still a great swordsman ect
What about Daeron the Good? Not as cool as the Young Dragon, but definitely a better king.
Or if we are counting ones who never become king, Baelor Breakspear.
The arryns have a dragon you forgot to mention through Rhaenyra
But what he didnt account for was the fact that regardless of how Daemon's story changed, Viserys would still have been wanting a son. So Viserys's story probably wouldnt have changed and he still wouldve ended up married to Allicent with Allicent's son Aegon being in line to take the throne. The only difference is that in this what-if scenario with Daemon having a son there would have been a third contender for the throne or at least another powerful faction who would have to either choose to side with the Blacks or the Greens. But if Maegor grew up with Rhaenyra, its likely he would have fought for Rhaenyra even if there werent married, which means the Greens probably wouldve been decimated quickly and the dance of dragons wouldnt have played out the way it did.
‘Assuming Maegor wasn’t like Laenor in’ I ship it.
I love this one!!!
The only comment I have I about the last option I highly doubt that megor the son of Damon would be willing to Mary a woman who is into other women no man want there wife to cheat on them an lady aryn would probably do that with the red fort women. worst case scenario she cheats on him, he find out and uses his dragon to burn her and her lover alive ether in the castle or when she and red fort lady leave it. Best case scenario she cheat on him, he find out, he then tell on her, there vows get broken and annealed by the sept and sept now hat the aryns and now the Roy’s see the aryns as betrayers, people who slighted them and I think lady Roy’s would be pist that her son got emotionally hurt by the aryns
This is an interesting what if scenario to think about and depending on who Maegor Royce married does sounds interesting, so let’s look at the options.
*Rhaenyra* it looks obvious on paper, Daemon can have his son marry the princess, especially if she’s the hair, might cause problems with Velaryons but Rhaenyra would have true born children.
*Alicent* if you want to take a Romeo and Juliet route, both of their fathers would greatly disapprove of it but Viserys being the nice guy that he is allows it, Viserys would ended up marrying Laena instead but the Velaryons would have divided loyalties if Laenor still marry Rhaenyra.
*Laena* Daemon still has a friendship with Corlys the Sea Snake, not much changed since Maegor would just replace Daemon.
*Rhaenyra 2* specifically after Laenor’s death, since Daemon would still be married to Rhea in this scenario, their wouldn’t be Baela & Rhaena, unless Maegor married Laena but she still died.
*Jeyne Arryn* with Maegor being an Royce, this marriage alliance helps solidify Jeyne’s rule over the Vale, especially if Maegor Royce has Vermithor The *Bronze* Fury.
I like to call Maegor Royce The *Bronze Dragon* in reference to his heritages.
I love your what if so far and I hope you do Game of Thrones what ifs too.But check out on fanfiction on story's called the blue wolf and the golden dragon. And trials and tribulations of the
oathkeeper those are the best stories i've seen so far.
You mentioned that Rhea isn't married to Daemon, he's married to her because of her inheritance. How is that different than his situation with Rhaenyra?
I mean, outside of getting to be king consort for the whole realm instead of just one area like when he was married Rhea, his position seems similar. He's married to Rhaenyra, not the other way around. Is it because Rhaenyra admits to needing him and he abandoned her?
I'm just genuinely curious about what you said and wish you would elaborate on that comparison, if you'd indulge me 😃
I think it's more a psychological thing, Rhaenyra feels like she needs Daemon, whether for his dragon or a sense of validation, lady Rhea is confident and independent all by herself.
I don't think the Royces would mind Maegor's name that much. For one after the North, the Vale caused the least amount of trouble for Maegor during his reign as a result very few in the Vale would have experienced Dragon flame. Secondly, The Royces follow the old gods and since Maegor was only ever fighting the faith of the seven.
The Royce’s no longer follow the old gods. While they have first men heritage and keep close to some traditions of their house. They clearly worship the seven, based on the fact that knighthood is paramount to their house and having a septon at court. Also it’s said the Blackwoods are the only southern house who follows the old gods.
@@palantiri6590 There are knights that follow the old gods such as Rodrik Cassel, Jorah Mormont and Bartimus of Wolf's Den. I'm inclined to believe that they are only surface worshippers of the seven to pacify their Andal dominant neighbors. While keeping as much of their old ways as possible.
@@George-Hawthorne Yeah but those northern knights were mostly knighted by Robert in the two wars Ned fought by his side in. They don’t seem to hold their knighthood in esteem like the Royce characters we see during the story. Bronze Yohn has a septon in his court. The Royce’s have also seem to have intermarried with the Arryn and other andal houses of the vale so much that their first men ancestry is beyond watered down at this point. All signs point to them worshiping the seven even if they don’t seem as devout as other southern houses.
@@palantiri6590The Blackwoods have intermarried for years and it hasn't affected them. The fact they the Royces still keep much of the old ways and use runes that followers of the Seven would consider blasphemous suggest that they may be closer to the old gods than we might think. Their views of knighthood could very well be for show to keep the faith off their backs.
@@George-Hawthorne The Blackwoods are specifically mentioned as the only notable house in the south who still keep to the old gods. Even the Starks and the other northern houses who follow the old gods follow a very watered down version compared to their ancestors. George himself stated that the first men houses and andal houses have intermarried so often that their isn’t much of any difference anymore between them besides what gods they might pray too. The Royce’s aren’t the only First Men house in the south who no longer follow the old gods and pray to the seven. Half of the southern houses have first men lineage. The seven and the old gods worshippers seem to have no real animosity towards each other anymore either, that is the work of the fans who consume too much fanfiction. This idea that the faith would Deus Vult the old gods is rubbish. Maybe The Royce’s initially converted reluctantly, but by the time of the story, they seem to be apart of the faith.
Maegor might hate daemon
Can you do if Sansa left Kingslanding with the Hound?
Here's an idea what if Alicent was married to Daemon.
Mysaria is valyrian in the book
it's waaay too impossible. Daemon is only attracted to valyrian women. Even Mysaria is of Valyrian origin in the books and looks like it
According to the Dragon X theory (which I think explains a lot of the Targaryen marriage practices), any daughter by Rhea and Daemon could ride a dragon because they inherit Daemon’s X gene. If they had a son, though, Daemon’s Y would be passed down and none of their sons could ride dragons. Further, no descendant of D&R could hatch a dragon, which is not the case for children with the dragonriding Laena or Rhaenyra
What about alicents children? They all had dragons and I’m pretty sure daeron hatched his dragon
@@dr.banner4793 Yeah, Aegon and Daeron to be exact.
Part 2
What if the Martells bent the knee to the Blacks during HOD.
What if viserys danys brother lol was good
What if Rhaenyra ascended without the Greens interfering. Would she go uncontested?! Would the realm accept Jace. Would the realm be at peace with Daemon as king consort. How would she be as a ruler since she has no political intelligence.
Aemond goes off to Essos probably(maybe even becomes King of the Narrow Sea), while the rest of the Greens wait for Rhaenyra to die to press their claim on the throne. Rhaenyra wasn't exactly a good ruler in the Dance, and when she dies it's possible that there would be a three way conflict, since her sons with Daemon might also push for their claim to the throne.
What if daemon or his brother marry rhaenys targaryen
Hi
I still find her attractive
What if Maegor lived as long as Balerion 👀
Bro I’m a big fan no one cares about lord flea bottom finish Dearon revenge lol yes I’m team green
"Bronze is only tempered in the fire" is an amazing line
What if he burned runestone😂
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