What If Aemma Lived? (House Of The Dragon)
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- čas přidán 15. 03. 2024
- Like her son Baelon, whom we have also covered on this channel, the death of Queen Aemma Arryn was one in a series of unfortunate events that left a hole in the House Targaryen that allowed vipers to snake their way in and ultimately cause a war that forever altered the trajectory of the house of the dragon. But what if on that fateful day her death had never come to pass?
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In this scenario do you think the hightowers would have pursued a match between Rhaenyra and one of their eligible men?
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I think viserys illness is the gods punishing him for what he did to aemma so in this timeline he should be healthy
He had the illness before she died though
Love these!
Of course if Rhaenyra doesn't have a brother and isn't declared the heir it'll be hard for Otto to rally support against Daemon succeeding Viserys. By all precedent he'd be the rightful heir and since Rhaenyra likes him she probably wouldn't contest this. How peaceful the reign of Daemon I would be is another matter.
Daemon would not be rightful heir. Daughters over uncles. Just like Vaemond still wouldn’t get driftmark due to his two nieces. But in the books, Vaemond was Corlys’s nephew. So he would have a claim then. But now as they changed the relationship between the two men.
@@lemonadelemon1960 Sorry I didn't phrase that well. What I meant was the very recent precedent of the Council that made Viserys king excluded Rhaenys even though she was the daughter of the king's elder son. This combined with Westerosi suspicions of female rulers would have made it hard to muster a case for Rhaenyra. There was nothing to make her claim stronger than Rhaenys'. If they followed the daughter's over uncles logic Rhaenys' claim was stronger than Rhaenyra's. If you accepted the Council's verdict as a precedent Daemon's claim was stronger than either of them..
What if Alicents attack on Rhaenyra had been fatal? Say the blade cut was more to the left cutting Rhaenyras neck or heart so that she could not be saved? What would Viserys do with Alicent after she straight up murders his daughter and heir? Would he name Aegon heir or Jacaerys?
Considering Daemon is there, he’d act before Viserys could comprehend anything but shock and grief and slaughter anyone with Hightower blood! Jace would become king.
This is the only answer. Daemon would kill them all. It would be a massacre with the greens against every single person in that castle. And a good fighter Cripsy may be but as we saw during this scene he can certainly be stopped if up against the right person. The Hightowers in Oldtown won't even be able to object to the ending of that branch because Alicent attacked and killed the heir without any physical provocation. I know many people are team green and I see both sides but if Alicent, in her justifiable anger, had murdered the heir to the throne in cold blood nobody would be able to save her from the consequences @@mellowenglishgal
At the very least, Daemon maims Allicent if not straight up kill her which would force Viserys to snap out of the shock and get Daemon to stand down. Daemon would be put on trial and if Otto didnt get murdered, he would use this as an opportunity to properly get rid of Daemon, its just that now its deeply personal. Alternatively, Otto's son would be the one to try and get Daemon executed so he can avenge his father and sister
This was a nice alternate version with a sweet outcome.😊 😋
What if Rhaenyra was born a boy with Aemma still dying in childbirth with Baelon?
Easy, she‘d be the literal undisputed heir. Sure, they‘d still be some troubles with Daemon, but there‘d be no doubt that Rhaenyra is the undisputed heir. Viserys would still remarry, as he needs a spare too, in case anything happened to the original heir, but it would be made very clear to Aegon that he most likely won’t get to rule. Also, Otto may have pushed for Alicent to become Rhaenyra‘s wife, as they‘d be very close in age.
@@getolde7966 oh deffo otto would push for alicent to marry the now male heir
Rhaenyraes? 😮
If Rhaenyra were born male, Viserys likely wouldn't have pushed Aemma to keep trying for a male heir, so Aemma probably wouldn't have died in childbirth at all
I wish u would do actual what if's also. This would be a good one to let us see the drama of Rhaenyra and Laeneor especially if Laeneor can't get it up for girls. A discussion between Emma and Rhaenys, the to matriarch's, discussing how to make heirs that won't be challenged
The heir would most likely be Daemon. Or Rhaenyra, being the only descendant left. So having a female Queen would be the only option. I think though Daemon would be queen with Rhaenyra by her side as wife. Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey would most likely never been born, and thus Aegon III and Viserys II would have been the ones following just as normal.
What if both Aemma and Baelon survive
Love these alternate theory videos! Keep 'em coming, lol!
Providing that Otto wanted to keep Daemon as far away from the Iron Throne as possible, he would support Rhaenyra's claim. Otto could have secured a marriage between Rhaenyra and one of his or his brother's sons and make sure that the Hightowers keep a strong position at court being the in-laws to the future Queen.
What if Aemond let Aegon run away
In this scenario, do you think it is possible that Viserys would take a second wife? I think Corlys may push Laena towards him still due to Aemma not having children and there being no male heir and his family being of Valyrian descent. The realm was prospering and loved the Targaryens, is it possible the people of Westeros would accept this decision hoping for a male heir?
In all honesty I don’t see that happening for a couple reasons. One because Viserys loves Aemma too much. I mean years after her death he never got over her even when he got remarried and had more kids. I think he’d see it as slap in the face to her by keeping her around while he slept with someone else. There’s also the idea that even though the realm loves the Targaryens they’ve risen against them before for things like this. When Maegor The Cruel had his reign of terror he had six wives, marrying multiple women at the same time and him marrying multiple women made him some enemies. So Viserys, unlike his brother Daemon, would probably do everything thing he could to distance himself from the image of Maegor. So I don’t think he’d risk it. Especially since his character pretty much makes it his mission to avoid conflict.
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks Yeah I think Viserys would be apprehensive to do this, he doesn't want to step on anybody's toes and this obviously would have some backlash albeit likely less then the Faith Militant rising up against Aenys/Maegor. Obviously his love for Aemma is huge but if she is adamant on not having another child, I think Viserys's dragon dreams might push him over the edge and could lead him to the mindset of taking another wife. Not to mention I can see Daemon and Corlys being little devils on his shoulders badgering him to do so and backing this. Curious to see how the lords of Westeros would respond, I am sure the smallfolk would riot but I think they might get over it eventually after the heir grows up, riots are put down and the fear of dragons.
Maybe Aemma continues to think she failed Viserys and her duty as Queen/Wife which may even lead her to looking the other way for Viserys to marry another. Like you said the Targaryen line was very thin at the time., so desperate measures might have been in order to provide more heirs.
@@smittypwnznope Viserys will never set aside Aemma if she lives also Visery is ready to give up the Dragon Dreams when he named Rhaenyra as his Heir even when he had multiple male heir he never falter of his choosing so your opinion about Visery believe in Dreams is weak he will never follow it.
@@mikered1974 it’s not setting aside Aemma, it’s not like they are divorcing or she is being sent to be a Septa or Silent Sister. Also the main reason Viserys names Rhaenyra heir is because Aemma dies in childbirth, if she doesn’t die he probably wouldn’t name her heir atleast not as soon. Also Targaryens are plagued by their dragon dreams who is to say Viserys would set his aside so easily.
@@smittypwnz YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
1.) It say in the Video " What if Aemma lived in that Childbirth but Baelon still Die.
2.)Visery will never set aside Aemma.
3.) in Westeros both the Faith of Seven and adherent from Old Gods in the North Considered Polygamy & Divorce as a Taboo.
4.) Any Children born from Extra-marital affair because Polygamy is Illegal in Westeros are Considered Bastards in Westeros that has no Right in the claim of the Throne even those Legitimized Bastards.
5.) Rhaenyra is not named because her Mother Died it because theres no other alternative male heir other than Daemon which is Visery is Pissed off.
6.) Visery literally set aside the Dream when he named Rhaenyra his Heir.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK BUDDY.
Viserys told Rhaenyra that he believed she was suited to rule.
Daemon will more than likely marry Rhaenyra n they will rule until the king dies. I believe Otto n others will conspire to kill daemon with the help of house Royce. N they will place whatever spawn Rt and daemon on the iron throne to control him.
Good video
What about what if rhaenyra and alicent stayed friends. Or made up. Or became lovers would all be great what ifs.
I assume if she survived a medieval C-section she would be extremely angry and go for a divorce 😮
What if daemon and caraxes lived what if young griff hatched a Dragon
Aemma would have died either way. She would not have survived the breached birth in that age. She already had a death sentence. The C-section was the only way the baby could have possibly survived. He was reluctant to do the C-section because it basically required Aemma to be butchered.
where the daeron part 2 vod
Soooo nothing happens. Status quo
Otto would have had her killed anyway so it wouldn’t have in reality changed much, a nice thought though
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Viserys did not ‘sacrifice’ Aemma. The baby was breach and she was going to die, regardless. The choice Viserys was presented with was only whether or not to do the ‘c-section’ in an attempt to save the baby or just let her continue to suffer until they BOTH die. Yes, the ‘surgery’ was AWFUL and SHE was not given a choice, which is beyond wrong, but it just blows my mind how many people don’t understand the situation even though the maester clearly stated it.
Yes, as was incredibly common for the modernization level of the 'time' this story takes place in. Many people, especially the youthfulness of the group who make and watch videos like this have never faced childbirth and have no real frame of reference.
I think when people talk about Aemma being sacrificed it is all of the pregnancies overall. He has forced her, like he forces Alicent to have a son until she literally died. It was just more direct with the c-section.
Not necessarily, you could mutilate the baby's body and take it out piece by piece, that's what the midwife of my grandma's little town had to do once.
Thats why the sept asks Viserys to make that choice: because there IS a choice, otherwise they would save the king the pain of taking this choice (now, it's still posible for Aemma to die of infection, but given the high mortality of infants it's difficult to know who would have a better chance).
@@karinamasso7948 No, nobody tended to survive 'Caesareans' until hundreds of years later. This show is like the 1200's-1400's. C sections where mom lives was with any regularity wasn't until the end of the 1700s. And even then it was dicey. They didn't have understanding of internal anatomy with any expertise until way into the Industrial Age.
@@itsmainelyyou5541 I didn't mention cesareans though. What I mean is that they could introduce a hand in the birth canal and remove the baby that way (piece by piece, of course and with the possibility that the mother could still die)