Factory KTM vs. SUR-RON X | Electric Dirt Bike Test
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- čas přidán 6. 02. 2020
- Tucker Neary from Electric Cycle Rider does a head to head comparison of the KTM Factory Edition 250 SX-F vs. the Sur-Ron X on some rough trails in Florida.
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These two dirt bikes are very different in almost every way possible.
The KTM 250SX-F is a Factory Edition 4 Stroke Motocross Bike. This dirt bike comes stock with Factory KTM upgrades and is the lightest 4 stroke in KTM's MX lineup. The only additional parts added to this KTM 250 is an FMF Exhaust.
The Sur-Ron X is an electric dirt bike, otherwise known as the LightBee X. The Sur-Ron is an ultra light Chinese moto that combines features of a full size motocross bike and a mountain bike to make a dirt bike that rides in a category of it's own.
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Great video. Relatively short, interesting. No unnecessary talks, no boring riding, - efficient video. Waiting for more of your videos!
@Бу Ля Thank you for the feedback! More to come for sure!
No unnecessary talks, my thoughts exactly .... 90% of you tube vids are way too self indulged
great informative vid
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that E bike sounds like a fishing reel and a wild turkey getting it on.
I read this comment before I got to the e-bike scene, and now that im here i can't stop laughing at how accurate this is.
That is hellaa funny.
@cdmak1 😂That's really funny man. Pretty damn accurate!
That's deep
The sounds of the millennial generation
Sur-Ron X vs. KTM FreeRide EX.... We need this
@CoJoBo12 Great call! I'll plan to do this.
Electric Cycle Rider Awesome!
Electric Cycle Rider once they get the range just a little better, I’m in.
He did that one recently and the KTM won. But for just 30% of the money, the SurRon is the animal to buy, in my mind.
that you can even come close to the 250cc is pretty interesting in itself
@Mark Ifi That's a great point.
if he got a different controller there'd be nothing in it.
Yeah that's what I thought. That it even came close it's pretty awesome and considering the rough and bumpy state of the track and how sandy it was the motorbikes extra weight was obviously helping. Around a more solid track the results may of even been closer. The E- bikes were keeping up with the petrol bikes in the red bull rhythm race I saw too.
@LittleTinyBabyJesus that's a simple calculation..
@@28russ Interesting thought there. Since races tend to be shorter, the lack of range won't matter. Electric may come in lighter, with more torque and hp, and therefore completely change how races are done.
This was truly awesome, thank you for doing this. Like how you have the Surron set up, I'm 6'1"and a bit. And think the 3" rise bar is just the thing for me. Cheers for the inspiration.
@roddas26 Awesome! Thanks so much for the comment!
I like how you're doing a lap time but interspersed throughout the video are ground shots that you obviously had to get off the bike to set up in a different lap. Movie magic!
The sur on had the electric motor gear noise.
The ktm had a engine sound?
I liked the stealth factor for riding personally.
Very interesting comparison. Thanks for doing it.
@Emory Holley Thanks for the note.
Finally the shootout the people have been asking for 🙌🏻
@Vlog Epicness 👍 👍
WOW, only 15 secs,and the ktm is a damn 250,those Surons are AMAZING, great VID bro
@Ian Mangham Thanks man!
I would love to see the Sur Ron X vs the Talaria Sting
Love the content keep it up!
It’ll be very interesting to do the same thing with a new controller on the surron.
Awsome content my man !
@Brakzer Thanks for the note man! Yes, that is a great call. I would love to do a head-to-head with the new controller. Hopefully I'll get access to one!
New controller and a reworked battery. Guys are jacking the voltage up to 72v and ive seen ones done with lipo around 90v with asi controllers the sur ron is deadly fast. See this is why i say the x controller is a waste. Eventually youre going to put a new controller on anyway.
BAC 8000 and a Litespeed 72V battery and I bet it would keep up.
@@sigmaoctantis_nz
I guarantee it would. If someone would come up with a sequential gearbox to go in place of the reduction drive these things would be monsters.
I appreciate the honest comparison. It's helps people that are considering buying one.
@Dave Davidson 🙌
Not sure if you’re riding a motorcycle or a pogo stick. Damn.
Whoops!! That was a suspension test for sure!
Not bad for the Sur-Ron being almost half the price
If u put $4500 in mods on Sur-Ron, it’d be a scary lap🤢☠️
@Curt M Whoops on whoops!
The KTM chasis is light years ahead of the Sur, so I'm shocked that the times were even close.
@grengren2 Yea, they ride very differently for sure.
You can put so much power out of these bikes with the right mods it would beat the ktm
It’s more about suspension geometry
great video !
Great upload!
@Robsthedon Thanks for the visit!
Very well done video, thanks for making it. I look forward to riding electric off road bikes with no clutch or shifter.
They should call that the Honeymoon trail it’s so bumpy!!
Great video
I can only dream of owning one of these omg how much I would love to have one is unreal
Really good video 🙏
Nice work, Sir.
Loved that bud ;-)How you managed that speed for that long with the arm pump from hell you get from mtb suspension at mx bike speeds is CRAZY!!!!!!!Next vid has to be you on a small ish real mx track, because with only 6000watts of power you are amazingly fast bud.More vids pls
@Fpvlee Thanks my man! Always appreciate your comments! I've got an MX track in mind for some more videos, hope to put those together in the near future. 👍
Still learning, great ride
watching that track made my back hurt
@Hugh Foster 😂
Nice video amigo 👌🏼
@Bbadass Thanks!
Great video
@Jim Feaster Thanks! 👍
Hey thanks for doing that! Cool!
@Anthony Moore Thanks for note!
I’d say that was pretty damn good
Great videos! Have you looked into the kuberg freeriders? Would be interesting to see a comparison!
Like to see KTM electric vs. 250 gas. Thank You.
@John Stratford Great call. I've got it on the list! Thanks
Nice honest test. Give it a little while longer they’ll be shaving those 15sec
This is exactly THE point. Yes. It will happen. Keep watching.
interesting test. It would be comparable to my Dr400 as I am about that sort of time behind the KTMs.
How long would you be able to keep up this pace ? I regularly head off into the bush for whole-day rides. How often would I need to recharge / replace battery ?
Good vid 🤘..
I really want an E-bike for the neighborhood and the farm! The quieter the better. I'm a bit concerned with battery life and long uphill performance though. Hopefully price and performance can come together in a few more years so the average person can justify buying one.
@mrgrimm 👍
Awesome Video. May be next you will consider doing a Sun ron X vs Kuberg vs Segway...type comparison. Thank you:)
@Khondker Rifat Hossain Thanks! Yes, that's a good call. I'll put that on the list and hopefully make it happen.
Here at boom moto we love seeing the growing Electric Motorcycle revolution.
@Boom Moto What is the best way to get in touch?
You should compare it to a 125. Also will you be getting the Sur-Ron Storm dirt bike? That would be an awesome video when that bike comes out. Love the videos man, keep it up!
@JustJayC Thanks for the note man, appreciate the kind words. That's a great call. You really have to ride the Sur-Ron like a 125, lots of throttle and it's imperative that you carry momentum in the corners. It would be a solid comparison. I've owned a few 125's but now I might have to track one down for a test! Any donors out there?
Yes, I will be doing some videos the Sur-Ron Storm when it becomes available. They are still in the R&D and testing phase with that bike but I'll be making some videos with that when the production model is ready.
Very cool
I love the concept of e bikes but no one talks about distance they travel, limp mode to get back to charging point, charging time, quick release batteries. I ride enduro/ trails in Australia on a ktm 350 exc-f and I can get 180kmh out of a tank depending on terrain. Maybe a bit more info on the overall package not just how quick or how they handle. Good for track days but not so good for riding long distances through forests
Yes Gary exactly, you can’t beat a spare tank of gas. Plus without the weight of a motorbike the electric one looked a bit flighty in the bends.
@Garry Rhodes If you watch my other videos, I actually talk about it a lot. Watch either of my race videos with the Sur-Ron and the Alta and you'll see that I show both bikes going into limp mode and ultimately dying before the finish line. I also do a video with the KTM Freeride E-XC where I run the battery to limp mode and report on the time and distance.
Your KTM 350 EXC is a superb machine, especially if you're riding enduro and trails in Australia. I own several gas bikes and I am a super fan of all dirt bikes. I just want people to get out and ride and have fun. Thanks for your comment.
Cool channel, I always wanted an electric dirt bike. I got here from browsing/shopping for electric hub motors for my downhill bicycle.
@I M Thank you! They're fun for sure.
Do a tricked 2 stroke vs E-bike comparison ....good video thanks
It must be obvious to him, but I can’t tell where the track is and it’s freaking me out to watch
Them gloves that he is using are great
for this kind of riding the sur-ron might be fine, but if the track opens up a bit, then the ktm will 'wake up' and just pull miles ahead. For me thats the fun stuff, so I cant see myself switching until they are 30+hp and can run for 2-3 hours on a charge. Many thanks though for keeping us updated on their evolution.
@Jeremy Andrews You're right, the Sur-Ron does not stand a chance to the KTM on open terrain. Looking forward to the 30+hp 2-3 hour electric bikes too! Thanks for the note.
Jesus, your track needs a few more whoops
Bad Gumby lol right that is ridiculous
@Bad Gumby Haha! Yea it's a bit excessive, they just seem to multiply...
😂
Hitting whoops makes more whoops. Y'all need a shovel
That's par for the course on most FL trails. If you don't like sand and whoops, you'll hate it.
I hope u will get the storm bee this summer, really interesting how good is it compared to factory gas bikes
@Nick Pilshikov I'll have it when it's ready!
15 seconds slower with mtb suspension makes sense considering the sur ron is equivalent to an 100cc
That's the most common comparison I have seen so it makes sense it loses to a 250. I'd like to see him do pit bike to ebike, I'm sure it would be closer
@@scottwall8419 or upgrade the controller+/battery - motor on the surron is capable of so much more than stock.
@@sn0wchyld that's possible. Not sure if surron has a higher output lithium ion battery pack available or not. But in theory there is more power to be gained from better batteries, especially with torque which could be good or bad for dirt biking depending on if the controller is advanced enough to handle the sensitivity guys need out on some hairy trails.
@@scottwall8419 nah its really only with aftermarket stuff. Battery needs upgrading because the cells are too weak to support much more power than stock, controller needs upgrading because the motor wakes up with more phase amps (controller is what I've done to mine so far). I haven't ridden enough ICE bikes to know what it 'feels' like now but it makes the stock bike feel like its slow and heavy, despite the new controller not drawing that much more power (only about 15%)... newer controller has better power delivery too, feels safer and easier to ride despite ~2-3x the torque.
@@sn0wchyld I will look into that, been thinking about grabbing one of these for my surveying job. I do some pretty remote stuff on large properties and this would make the job 3 times as fast and more fun, thanks for the info
15 s in a 4 minute track is nothing! Amazing job!
pretty cool bike
I guess it also depends on what size sprocket you've got on the back
I would love to see you compare the times with some upgrades to the sur ron, bac4000 and or 72v battery.
@Life Is Out There I know! Hoping I can put that together, would be interesting to see. Thanks for the note!
Keep working on that Sur-Ron to close the gap. I know there are suspension upgrades along with controller and battery upgrades for 22hp output.
Awesome video, those electric bikes are pretty bad ass
Im thinking about switching from 300xc to xc-e
Nice! :)
Look like a heap of fun
Makes sense the Sur Ron is a tad slower since the KTM weight helps soften and smooth the terrain environment where the Sur Ron has a lot more verticality influence for that same terrain. So there are trade offs. That said, there is a great opportunity to press ahead will non-fossiled dirt riding since that is always better for the environment and helps each of us to know we are doing our part and at the same time not compromising fun factor.
Please don't tell me you really believe gas and oil come from Dino bones 😂😂
@@nagelmotox284 Fossil -1. Decomposed organic matter. 2. A person who has old fashioned or has outmoded, fixed ideas.
@@rickhale7028 please don't tell me you really believe oil and gas come from decomposed plants and animals. 😂
@@nagelmotox284 Dude, we are taking dirt bikes here. Can you do that without poking personal attacks on others. Don't be that A$$clown.
Bro that's a 250 on a mtb trial imagine on a motocross track the suspension and power is so different 450 would smoke it buy a man's machine not a mtb with no pedals
Great video, thanks for sharing. I"m confused why you have video's on the KTM Freeride-E and the Sur-ron but you compare the Sur-ron to the KTM 250sxf... How about a Sur-run vs freeride-e?
@Chris Waltman Thanks for the note. A lot of people want to know how the Sur-Ron compares to gas bikes and I was in FL with these two bikes. I have a Sur-Ron vs Freeride video in the making right now so stay tuned for that. Thanks for watching.
Those trees come up out of nowhere! I would kill myself on those things!
What a beautiful track
The surron light bee x wasn't made to compete with a dirt bike it has its own purpose. but i like the fact that you made a video comparing the two, cool to see that it can take the same abuse as a dirt bike thi
awesome!
Not sure where the camera is located, but look into getting a "ProShot" chin mount for your camera. I always like your video's, I just wish I had not eaten breakfast an hour before watching this. Those whoops made me nauseous... I however appreciate the highlight of what a SUR_RON can do and the future potential it has. I bet you are itching for a 7200 battery... regardless, you should contact Cooper Webb while he is in Florida this week and help him on his whoops technique! You have it down! Looking forward to future vids, keep it up!
@Max Muller Haha, love your comment! Yea, I use a chin mount and have it pointed toward the sky but I'll keep working on it. Certainly don't want you to waste your breakfast. Maybe Coop can give me pointers on jumping through the whoops... He looked like he had it down in San Diego. Take care Max!
Tucker have you done a test with the stock 19" wheel size compared to the 21×19 combo I made ya? Good to see my wheels being ridden hard,NIIIICE.Anyway the weather looks great for this and wish I wasn't in Maine right now👎.
@MAINY'AK MAINER Hey Josh, thanks for the note man. I haven't done a 19" vs. 21" test but will add it to the list. The fact that the 21"x19" setup is on my Top 5 List is proof that I'm digging them!
@@ElectricCycleRider Some people reacted to the woops in your loop. Those are kinda small for a Florida sand woods trail. Whenever we raced the GNCC OPENER in Florida down by lake okachoobi now thats some real sand woods woops! Shit like 5-6 miles of waist deep woops.! Brutal race.
What do you think of the Stock DNM suspension on the Sur-ron X?
What suspension do you like?
I do the same ridding you do, the front is OK but the rear chatters a bit at high speed.
Thanks
1. What is the range of the Sur Ron Emoto on this 1 mile track on a single charge?
2. Similarly, I wonder how many laps the Emoto could get before expired?
I would have liked to have seen the lap times for the KTM 500 versus the Emoto. I've seen your video where both of these bikes are riding around together, but in the context of the lap time oh, it would be much more interesting. I have a KTM 500 and also I have the Hi-power Cycles typhoon with 6 kilowatts. In hindsight, I always wish I had been able to get the Sur Ron instead of the Typhoon, but it wasn't available yet.
Nice Review, Great Job
I really think riding the Surron on rough gets you tired quite easily, Some Works to be done with stock suspension.
The Sur ron front suspension is about as dumbed down as you can get! Seriously a USD fork for under $200 = Pony. If Fox made a USD it would be more like $1500 although at least it would be good. The KTM is riding on Factory MX suspension which is light years ahead, literally light years, so yes 100% agree, some work to be done for sure. Would love to see how a Factroy tricked out Sur Ron would compare. Less than 15 seconds me thinks, but super impressive nonetheless.
@MrHqyang Thank you! Yes you're right, the Sur-Ron is pretty rough on this terrain with the mountain bike suspension.
@Spider Monkey I hear you! The suspension is indeed night and day different. Would be interesting to do some suspension upgrades to the Sur-Ron and see how it does. Thanks for the note.
What are the battery levels after the five trips around for each battery thank you have a blessed day
This is super cool. That Surron looks like a blast to ride. Have you had a chance to ride the storm bee? If you did a vid putting the ktm against the storm bee It could be pretty comparable I think.
@Fortuna Redux That will be a great test. I have not ridden the Storm yet but I will be soon. Thanks for the note!
Dang that looks like a rough track
I definitely wouldn't complain if somebody gave me a Sur Ron as a gift, but as a dirt rider, I just love the sound of that KTM 250...BRAAP!!
@skinnyjoe77 The KTM has a good bark for sure! I love it too!
Could have fooled me, the suron looked so agressive. The difference the suspension makes is crazy.
I have 4 surrons and two RevX bikes in my garage and the surrons are a blast and can be a ton of fun. The RevX bikes are more purpose driven and cannot be compared to the surrons as they are in a different league all together and would give this video a completely different outcome. The torque on the electric bikes is what allows them to cover ground much better than any gas bike. No shifting or trying to anticipate corners or late or early braking. The tires and suspension change ebikes to instantly be a real player and handle any terrain. The RevX comes fully outfitted to be race ready from the ground up so when it cost double the surron you are getting the best bang for your buck. Just wanted to share as I have been riding the last 40yrs and always get the latest and greatest bikes. Once the ebike market goes mainstream the gas bike market will never be the same. The only benefit gas has to me is the range and down time is less. Unless you have spare batteries to just swap out when one is done. I love gas and electric and enjoy the evolution of both platforms.
@mainiero50 Well said my friend! I love both gas and electric too. Great to experience the advancement in technology.
Would like to see this again with an upgraded battery and controller in the sur ron x
Cool videos, gotta angle that ride view camera angle up a little more though!
@Leighton Yuma Ahhhh, I know! I use an extra mount extender to tilt the camera up as much as I possibly can. I just ride chin down. Haha. Will keep working on a solution, thanks for the note.
I love how he puts forward hos leg in curves. Motocross reflex. The Surron is agile yet it lacks that confidence one needs to ride fast with it. After all it's a motorized MTB basically so the suspension it is what it is like you said.
Please do the test with Alta dirt bike vrs that KTM. Please select and match the bikes better.
Tucker - what shoulder/chest protector are you wearing? Brand and model. Thanks!
Will be interesting to see how the sur Ron's hold up over long term use
MTDman11 huge facking deal right there!
The bike itself will hold up but the batteries are what go in the long haul roughly 5 years heavy use
Kind of surprised that it was even that close, nice job! Thinking that the KTM MX suspension could use some adjusting (less compression), does the Sur-Ron have suspension clickers? (just wondering).
@suzuki06g Thanks! The fork I have on the Sur-Ron is an air fork, so you can add/subtract psi equivalent to spring rates. From there, you can slightly adjust compression and rebound via clickers. The rear is a coil shock with compression and rebound adjustments. The issue is that it's utilizing mountain bike suspension on a 120 pound bike and the bike is being ridden in a manner that the suspension was not designed for. I've done a lot of suspension adjustments on the Sur-Ron and have gotten it to ride better but still could use attention. As for the KTM, yea I agree it could use some adjusting but the whoops on these trails are stacked up. If I lower the compression too much, the bike starts to blow through the stroke and get sketchy in the whoops.
Just the fact that it’s so close to a real 250 MX damn at the weights theses things have that’s what you can really call a toys. 😍😍😍
have you tried it again using the upgrade speed controller and upgrade battery that makes the suron x almost double the speed and power yet?
Thanks👍🏽
@JTH 👍🏽
My Thoughts: The Sur Ron stays in the air longer on a track like this. The KTM being heavier means more traction time.
Let's see some more showdowns in different track styles
If the track provides you with a flat ground you get even bigger gap, surron cant compare to a dirt bike, people just cant realite that
I rode a dirt bike yamaha tt125 for the 1st time and damn is hard. You sir are a bad ass for going that fast!
I want a surron but I think I'll set te for either klx230 or xt250!
tbbsrr yo man a 85 would or 125 two stroke would be a good step up klx 230 and xt 250’s are heavy sluggish bikes not good for fast technical riding their suspension is also pretty basic both of those bikes are better for the road and light trails and fire roads
@tbbsrr Thanks man! Awesome to hear you're out riding and having fun. It's the most important part.
Ok. I would like to see a Sur-Ron walking on more rugged terrain, with steps, ravines, big rocks in which, I think, the weight of the bike helps to pass over.
@Fernando Saling Sounds good!
While less weight is better, I don't think the suspension could handle much more...
That e-dirt bike was a Monster
Hi, could you make a comparison between SUR-RON and Ktm Freeride Electric I'm very curious. Thank you
@LikiYeah I'll work on it! Thanks for reaching out.
Setting up the suspension on the KTM for that trail would have widened the gap but cool to have options to ride that won't alert cops and annoy neighbors.
@B S The whoops are so stacked on this loop that the camera doesn't even do it justice. I went softer on the compression but it causes the bike to blow through the stroke and get sketchy in the whoops. Keeping it a little stiffer keeps the bike from dancing around. You're right though, suspension tune would benefit both bikes. Thanks for the note.
I really like these videos,cause I'm a Dirt bike guy and an E bike kinda person. I know I sound blasphemous but you can't deny a good dirt bike can eat a track in seconds,and an Ebike is a good counterpart to use daily.
@Eduardo Diaz Thanks for the note. You're absolutely right. Different tools for different jobs. No denying that they are all very fun!
@@ElectricCycleRider Keep showing us Great content.
You're doing an Awesome job!
Has any modifications been done to the sur-ron x besides factory settings ? Im very impressed 👍.
@Scott Conger I made a video with my Top 5 Mods for the Sur-Ron. These are the parts I've added to it before filming the comparison. Here is the link: czcams.com/video/tt_w-BeYyBQ/video.html
what type of suspension prep was done on this Suron? bike suspension means alot to lap times. that suron front end was pushing and diving a ton more than the ktm
sur ron sounds like a r/c car and just hearing that takes all the fun out of it
But it's much better for hearing when you sliding or losing traction. Engines are so loud u don't know what's going on. Gimme electic and stealth any day over a loud ass bike .
Coldoh86 i know whats going on over the sound of a bike😂 i mean come on man if you cant maybe you dont belong riding or driving. I dont even make my bikes louder then stock unless that muffler gets damaged. only my trucks that cat back comes off and gets replaced with roush exhaust. Everythinf i ever owned has been loud
@@Conan13666 I know exactly what is going on when I ride my 250 even at rev limiter because it's all in the feel of the bike my dude
Coldoh86 you just gotta feel your bike man. Half the time I have earbuds in and fucking rip it 🤙🏽
Exactly 👍🇬🇧
Give it a try and see if I can get it
Pretty close on times...it's amazing how far electric bikes have come! If we haven't been kept under the thumb of the petro companies this technology would've been out 40 or 50 years ago! 🤦🏻
Yup! Also this is gas vs. electric KTM has electric version Harley also has their electric version of a motorcycle. Companies are slowly moving forward with electric which is fantastic Why go to the gas station when you can become the gas station
You need to find out what sort of air time each one has at the speed.
ears are a tool ? what is the motor doing? would be good when stealth is needed ie war or hiding from it.
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