We Rode This NEW Insanely Fast eMoto // Flux Primo First Ride
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Tucker from ECR does a First Test Ride on the New Flux Primo Electric Dirt Bike.
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The Flux Primo electric dirt bike in this video is a production mule, designed to test characteristics and software before Flux develops their pre-production model. This bike is equipped with a massive 450 volt 7kWh battery, which generates approximately 80 horsepower. Knock knock, Stark Varg, you have a new neighbor. It features an aluminum chassis, currently utilizing a KYB SSS fork and an Ohlins TTX shock, as well as Brembo brakes and a unique virtual clutch/regen lever.
There is still a way to go before it’s a true production bike, but Flux’s ballpark is to have a production model by the end of 2024 with bike deliveries starting in the 4th quarter of 2025.
The target price is $13,000 USD - and at the time of filming this, a refundable reservation of 50 euros. locks in a price of $12,000 USD when the production bike is ready.
0:00 - This is the Flux Primo
01:56 - First Ride
03:02 - Power
04:04 - Virtual Clutch / Regen Lever
04:58 - Chassis & Suspension
05:58 - Battery
06:28 - Supercharger!!
07:24 - Price & Plans - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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You can estimate battery range pretty well at various speeds, by comparing it to gasoline powered bikes of known power output (aka. wattage).
Random A2 license (11kW) bike with similarly crap aerodynamics to dirbikes (to allow for a guesstimate) is yamaha MT-125, which tops out at around 115km/h, thus with such aerodynamics, you would need 11kWh to travel 115km at said speed.
OR with current 7kWh battery, you get 7kWh/11kWh = 0,63 times the range at said speed, around 73km.
Something like Beta RR 50 enduro comes with 5,3kW power, and tops out between 70-80km/h
So it would have a range of let say 75km on a 5,3 kWh battery.
Well with flux primos battery it would get 7kWh/5,3kWh = 1,32 times thet range at said speed, which is around 100km.
So let's sum up the back of the envelope caluclations.
At around 115km/h (70mph) you can expect around 73km (45 mile) range.
At around 75km/h (47mph) you can expect around 100km (62 mile) range.
...without radical diffeences in aerodynamics (well so long as manufacturer stick to the usual "modelled after the aerodynamics of a parachute design), range is pretty easy to estimate from battery capacity.
If you want to do better, you can pick bikes that look more close to the one you are curiious about, and adjust for frontal area.
And if you are curious about random speeds you just fit a curve to these known point.
As its not exactly new knowledge that drag force acting on object is more or less proportional to (velocity)^3, you can fit a parabola curve to the points and use it to read the range, by dragging your finger on the velocity axis, and checking what range correspond to said point on the curve on the kWh axis.
In regards to the charging, outside north american market - where dirtbikes lives are spent on the back of pickups - existence of charging station matters not, what matters way more if the manufacturer is gonna follow scum like Zero, or will have the decency to use standard fitting, allowing plebians to take advantage of existing charger infrastructure.
BUT even if, you got their proprietary charger, the 20 minutes from 20% to 80% implies a 2C charge rate.
I HIGHLY doubt that they will enable such charge rates on bikes that are sold to the public at large, as no established manufacturer (that i am aware of) manufactures Li cells, whos lifetime wont be drastically shortened by regular chargeing at 2C.
...ofc. if flux makes their own Li cells, it could be possible.
However pushing cells on the market that aint rated above 1,2C charge rate, to well north of 1,4C wil drastically shorten battery cell life, thus battery pack life.
Thanks for coming down and sharing your experience 🤝
Great experience and looking forward to more coverage as this bike hits it's next stages!
Awesome idea with the digital lever. It kinda combines the rear brake (which I love to have at left hand) with a clutch.
Idea: how about you block the motor from rotation, if stationary and the lever is fully pulled. This way, messing up any uphill, you can use your feet freely to save it without rolling back. Like with a Surron, where the rear brake on left lever is really useful
@@MrMrMrMrMrT we’re planning a similar thing, hill lock; the motor doesn’t allow the wheel to spin backwards, precisely for hill climbs. But that’s gonna be on the next prototype, as it requires some hardware changes
@@FluxMotorcyclesWell, I see you guys already think ahead :)
But it needs to be a releasable hill lock - just saying. Sometimes you are going to tip over backwards and need to release the back wheel quickly for a moment, to get the front wheel down again
@@MrMrMrMrMrT good point and another potential use case for the virtual clutch
It amazes me how they've solved all the problems on these basically. They are being cautious to rush to market, but damn, the time/range on these is where I hope it'd be a decade from now.
I can see track use but not enduro.
Not even close.
Been thinking about a regen lever since the first Surron. Glad someone is going to bring it to market.
It's awesome! Have to give credit where credit is due, Electric Motion has had the PRB lever available on their bikes for years and that works awesome too. Somehow this feels more significant on the bigger full size bike.
Worth noting, the EBMX X-9000 controller comes with a thumb throttle regen option but we much prefer the lever on the bars.
I used to have a Vector e-bike (not a real sport enduro bike though) and it had a regen brake which was really handy. I barely used its brakepads.
Good call. As you said, different category of bike but the regen lever is super cool no matter the size!
I want hand rear brake with another lever for regen - maybe a thumb - I ride with regen Off - took few days to get used to but now like Much better -
having regen lever for long down hills would be great
Super excited about this too! When a full clutch isn't as practical, I want one of these!
Great job on the video Tucker! Thanks for making it.
That regen lever sounds so rad!
Wow ! Sound so smooth and a beast
Beautiful Bike , look forward to a production model 👍
Yeah man! Good to see you at AIM Expo!
Regen lever is smart
Sounds even better than I expected and I already had it on the radar. Maybe it’s coming to deposit time.
The virtual clutch is similar to the regen throttle on the X-9000 and BAC controllers. It's awesome
Nice! Seeing the improved on the areas the stark falls short!
First
Impression is the screen on tank vs handlebar for better protection and safety.
And the added clutch! Was is a must! A safety panic power
Kill switch
The bike looks very well constructed 👍
Interesting to see more electric bikes on the market! I'm sure this thing will give the Varg a run for it's money.
Loved the vid.
🙌
Nice work Tucker(Tim, formally worked at Clover Basin.
makes the Varg sound like some low grade shwag from back in the day!
I want the Primo! 🤙🍻
That fact that it has a radiator, is huge for battery temps and motor! Any more details about it?
The motor is liquid cooled! Using 2 radiators same setup as an internal combustion MX bike.
Looks awesome
I just put my order in. I’ll add a light kit to the SuperMoto version and make it Street Legal here where I live in the US. Lots of mountain canyons to ride. Can’t wait. A few gearing changes and I’ll be 100+ no problem. Wish I had done so with the Varg early on when I had my chance.
Im up in alaska and cant wait to break my ride out. Ride life
I like the headlight on that thing 🤪
Yeah! Reminds me on the AdmitJet, which reminds me on the KTM
SMF light works great 🔦
@electriccyclerider - If you could find it in your heart to increase your video recording frame rate to 120fps it would not go unnoticed.
regen lever is so smart!
crazy that they managed to be competitive already out of the gate
Regen level up!! Nice!
That is pretty sick! id love to have a digital clutch if not a hydraulic one. id like to keep that 2nd control point for enduro stuff just for safety and better smoothing.
About six months ago, I cancelled my Varg order after people started getting them and posting videos. I immediately pre-ordered the Primo at that time. The Varg is an amazing bike, but, given the range numbers we're seeing, it wouldn't complete one lap of a two-lap enduro here in Iowa (the one run out of my parents' farm is 36 miles per lap). The Primo has more going for it for the type of riding I do. The swappable battery is damn near a necessity for enduro/hare scramble race days given current battery density possibilities coupled with charging realities.
I would have had the Varg by now, but my 2024 300 XC-W Hardenduro should be enough to hold me over until this comes out. I shouldn't phrase it like that; I'll likely keep the 300, too.
The biggest downside, I assume, is going to be the cost of the battery. I'd likely want one or two extra (really depends on how the range ends up), and I can feel just how much that's going to hurt my wallet.
Yeah electric bikes are super gay 👍
@@bradforester3635 - Okay.
Any idea what the Primo is expecting to sell for?
@@crowe9385 - They're "guaranteeing" €12.000 for people who have preordered, and €13.000 for those that didn't. So $13,100 and $14,200, respectively, at current exchange rates.
This is straight from the FAQ on their website.
The $50 preorder is refundable, so I saw little reason not to do it given my interest.
Dat Regen lever!!
Im starting to see the benefits of regen on left brake..🙂
sick track. how long were the laps?
Really interesting bike. It's also interesting how skilled riders (in general, nothing personal) that previously would never consider riding a normal bike with a Rekluse auto clutch and a rear hand brake lever now kind of likes that kind of similar setup on an electric bike.
Looks like Varg is going to have some competition
It’s modified Honda frame yeah? Will they be manufacturing their own frame for the final version?
Great to see Flux' progress this far.
They look to be the best fully sorted Enduro offering in the EV space. The Varg is not much use to us in Australia as we need to be able to road register bikes to ride on public lands. (Forestry, bush etc)
You forgot to mention the swappable battery feature too, another option for fast power changes in a race environment.
For sure, the swappable battery option wasn't really discussed during our test and we didn't see that swap happen in person. Again, it's a prototype, but that is something we will for sure show if it remains a feature of Flux's production machine, when the time comes.
@@ElectricCycleRider- I absolutely hope they keep the swappable battery as a feature. Without it, this goes back to just a bike I'm rooting for rather than one I want to take delivery of for the purposes of using it as an enduro/scramble race bike.
Nice video! Hopefully they get rid of that shock. Like the display location much better than the Stark. I do like the hand brake of the Stark though. No sure you really need the regen lever/clutch. If you have the hand brakes you can keep your feet on the pegs anyways.
Looks like a older CRF frame, new CRF plastic, Yamaha front fender and KTM headlight shell. KTM triple clamps maybe? Quite the parts bin special. Cool bike. What does the sensor on the front wheel do? The Eclutch sounds like a great idea. Seems these guys are really good at sorting this Ebike stuff, from the throttle response to the Eclutch. Nice.
Good job explaining the feel of the power. I'm constantly watching Varg reviews waiting to hear someone actually explain how the power feels compared to a 450, but all I ever get is something stupid like: "Wow, that was amazing!"
you just cant compare a 450 with the 80HP of the Varg. you have never experienced anything close to that power/NM.
I can promise you, you will react the same ways like the guys did in their first ride reviews :)
@@mcnevetsThat's ridiculous, you just have to be able to express the difference.
@FaithandActiondotnet thats 938nm imagine three times the power of 450 at all time . With no reduced power at the varg
@@mcnevetsMan, I want to ride one!
Virtual CLUTCH / RE-GEN lever FTW !
.. Paying attention to this, Stark Varg ?
Im really looking forward to Tucker swinging a leg over the new Arctic Leopard Cheetah and the E-X800
I'd absolutely love one of these what a thing ❤ 1 day ey 😂
Love the clutch lever… I can’t imagine riding anything aggressively offroad and not having one or two fingers on the clutch
Most bikes you can set the brake to cut off power to the motor.
I just got a stares but I love seeing more electric bikes hitting the market . I think these bikes are going to make gas bikes obsolete very quickly. As more and more people ride them and get hooked .
While I still really dislike the looks of the square battery just sitting there on electric bikes, this bike looks really really good and sounds really promising, with range at least for track use
I own a stark varg alpha. This bike looks sick!! But the varg definitely looks better quality. Im curious how much the primo will be? I'll probably start saving now so I can have enough money before it comes out to add to my collection. My 2018 crf450r, 72v surron lbx, and the King stark varg,
Your collection is crazy 🔥🔥
What's your top most anticipated electric bikes and what's your current top reference(s)? (MotoX, enduro, trail)
Great question... that should be an upcoming video.
Currently enjoying the Stark Varg, modified Surron Ultra Bee, and Electric Motion Escape R. The KTM Freeride still gets some love but maybe less now that we have the Varg and Ultra.
Flux Primo, Electric Motion Escape XR, and some premium MX conversion bikes we'll be soon showing on the channel soon are most anticipated. A few bikes we're sworn to secrecy on, but I'll throw the Honda CR-E in the ring as well, but there is no indication of that being in production soon. While we're on the topic, might be worth keeping an eye on KTM as well.
@@ElectricCycleRider Thank you! Yes, it really should be an upcoming video 🙏
I wonder if they have a street version bike -
I would test that thing until October every day in the woods for free. Pacific Northwest Oregon USA.
What does it weigh?
we live in a wild time where a new e bike prototype pops up every month or so. I hope most of them become legitimate brands that back their product rather than one off cash grabs. They all feel super sketchy given where battery technology is right now. I sold my sur ron, not coming back until these bikes advance quite a bit. This one looks fun....they all are lol.
These guys probably will be hitting production about when Honda does.
Honda is probably tooling up production as we speak. Flux will have a much harder time than Stark did hitting production, unless Flux can find it's own Royal Endfield to invest $500 million like Stark did.
The Honda is nowhere near the specs of this thing. Knowing the way Honda’s been doing things for 30 years now, they probably don’t care or have even researched what’s in the market.
the Honda CR will be crazy they’ve been racing recently
@@ziphussle racing the same bike they developed 6 years ago. Maybe KTM should take Tom Vialle and the Freeride to race in Japan to develop hype 🤪
bring it on
Why not just program the regen braking into the throttle? When you close the throttle it slows you down. Like an electric car, where you can customize the braking force.
Turn by turn variability requires the additional control in this sense.
Awesome Tucker... I Pre-ordered day one I have been told by Flux I am in the top 50 pre-orders. I ordered the Varg day one too but I was caught up in the server crash and my order was lost. My Varg should be here next month. Until then I continue to ride my Freeride and K.O. Moto Segway's. I have high hopes the Flux Primo is the one to own. I didn't like the chassis steering comment sounds more like KX handling than CR. There was a while there I was wondering if Flux was going to beat Stark to production.
Very cool! Sounds like you're enjoying (and about to enjoy) a lot of the same bikes we have gravitated toward in the last few years.
That is a correct assessment, the handling, in my humble opinion, is more reminiscent of a KX or YZF as opposed to a CR, KTM (or even RM)
i think ur stark is gonna be enough lol gimme the primo
@@realkidcarterI personally like the specs of the Primo better. The larger swappable battery, virtual clutch, headlight and taillight. I do like ground up frame design of the Stark frame the Primo looks like a retro fit I used to think CR but now I am thinking KX chassis. When my Stark arrives my son should fit on my Freeride. Once the Primo arrives he should fit on Stark. So all bikes are already spoken for. LOL
@@lboughto hmm okay, didnt know it was swappable. I dont exactly see how much they will help because of how expensive the battery is i dont see people owning more than one. the headlight and tail light cool. i think if needed it could be added to the stark. the regen clutch im also sure is something stark may work on in the future and could be added. but yeah lol looks like yall got a hell of a time with all those bikes. ive got a 2013 rmz 250 and a 2023 talaria sting mx4
@@realkidcarter I used to lug a generator to the trailhead with me. Instead I bought extra batteries for my Freeride and Segway's. So much easier quicker and way less noise. LOL
Looks heavy, but sounds quiet and smoother than the Stark.
This is how products become better. Competition!
Pow Pow Power wheels for adults 🤟👽🤓🚲
its a Honda frame yes
These bikes need to have a programable throttle power band. You choose how and when the power band is and the curve in which it happens. Also these bikes need a quick change battery pack. Change Batteries between heats instead of charging.
At maybe 5000 dollhairs ?????
They basically already do. This one will, and Varg V2 will likely have the battery swap. Even the 4-strokes have programable power now.
Range at half power at trail riding pace?
Check the video below for our range test - short answer 56 miles with the current battery (and all the disclaimers like depends on rider speed, terrain etc.)
czcams.com/video/fDwI0-5zveA/video.html
😍😍😍
Any weight estimate ???
Flux has a video on their instagram showing the bike on the scale at 122kg (269 pounds)
You lucky dog
If they make a street legal version, I'm interested.
Stark varg has a 6.5kwh battery. So if the weights are ballpark and the power is similar, then 7kwh should get you more range…
Stark is 7kWh
power and speed are not king on off-road riding as anyone who does it will tell you, rideability, suspension, comfort, durability and many other things make a good off-road bike, and of course, the big problem with EVs is the battery time, as a kid I could play on trail bikes for 18 hours a day, how many battery swaps you going to need to do to get anywhere near them hours,
N/B is the battery swappable or is it a case of draining it and going home 2-3 hours later ?
They should design a trailer that doubles as a charging station! That would be cool. Can I get credit for that idea? 🤔
We wouldn't want to lose too much focus as a company, but many builders are converting trailers and vans to have an integrated battery storage + roof solar. So in the week it fills up, on the weekend you use it up :)
You said that their fast charger is a stand alone but needs 3 phase power to charge the bike yet you are out in a field charging?? Is there a large battery inside the enclosure?
Nowhere did we say it was a stand alone charger! That charger requires 3 phase power, which was available from a pole in the middle of the field that track.
@@ElectricCycleRider I'm sorry for misunderstanding. You are correct you didn't say stand-alone. I misinterpreted the word monolith for standing on its own. That would be a good idea though, to have a quick charger with a battery in it for being at the track or staging areas. Although expensive
No worries! Of course, a stand alone charger would be great, but would probably only be capable of charging lower voltage bikes charger at a slower rate, and as you said, expensive.
Can this bike be charged using solar or wind, like if you were far from civilization?
should make Adjustable Turn throttle - 1/4 to 3/8 turn - many times having Quick Turn throttle is not good - like in mud or hard pack -
fine throttle adjustments make bike easier to ride fast -
the production bike will have throttle mapping via smartphone, so you'll be able to tailor it to your preference
Where in Croatia is this?
Ribnik
@@FluxMotorcyclesThanks
Hmm I wish there was a company making this with license plates or all road style. They all look like 70s plastic two strokes
Does it come with a generator trailer?
Doesn't need to! We had 3 phase power available at the track.
Everyone's 80hp unit is coming in "around" $12,000
weight?
122kg apparently :(
Nice but I'll bet it is 𝙉𝙊𝙏 affordable to the majority of people when it's finally in production and being sold to the general public much like Ducati's newest entry into the MX scene with the Desmo 450X.
🚀⚡💪🔝
These things are amazing!!! I don’t like EV cars but this and the Stark are awesome and it’s a perfect place for the EV tech. Just stay off MTB trails please 😂
Honda crf frame
Wow !
An EV motorbicycle manufacturer / start up ( ? ) that worked out that high voltage " good " .
One of their team must dabble in RC cars , but I'd sure as hell buy one ...
The 80 bhp is probably as detuned as buggery so as not to kill it's would be buyers I'm thinking .
We're from the aerospace industry
Regen lever will be on all future ebikes by 2026 hot take
Imo stark varg is the superior in terms of looks and power its just a more innovative bike
Bit better than the Zero FX but nothing revolutional.
Purple?? More please....
What 2 colors make purple?
@@ElectricCycleRider Yahmaha and Honda?
That is CRF plastics
Why can’t ktm do something like this?
Maybe they know where the money is !!!
lol yeah they make good gas bikes and they have the freeride so@@jamesdenton3692
Weight.
. 😅did I miss 😅it. I am guessing 250lbs.
Another viewer said 122kg according to their Instagram page
Better than Ducati or triumph😂
Откуда сука такие цены.
80hp.. No matter what they say on yuotube videos it allways looks slower. Allways.
I’d rather have 40hp and less weight.
30-40 lbs more than a stark 😂😂
actually 7 lbs more with lights, heavy duty tubes and a bigger battery. And first gen prototype
When in doubt copy Honda.
Why do electronic bikes have the worse names?
Haha sorry no.
80 HP and can not manage a top speed of 100 mph, electric meh.
How often you go 100mph out in the woods or on an MX track?
@@shredmas On the way to the woods, without having to drive it to the trail heads. If you are into enduro on and off-road riding, this is definitely not the tool for the task. The only thing it’s good for is for a motocross track and stealthier trail riding but suffers from the lack of range. To each their own.
@@falcosparverius1 I just put my bike in the back of a truck or loaded on my trailer and go to the designated OHV staging location. Several of them within 30 minutes of my house. Also I can ride right from my house into BLM land in about 5 minutes. It sounds like you need a dual sport machine.
@@shredmas I’ve owned a Yamaha XT600 in the late 80’s that would take me to the trails and back home without a truck. Have been following the development of electric motorcycles, most of these expensive electric motocross bikes promote these high HP numbers but they all peter out at speed. A one trick pony for fun at a motocross track, I will pass due to their limited utility.
@@falcosparverius1 yeah they at least had two speeds then you could attain the 100 mi an hour you're looking for
Gay!
yes
crf frame kyb suspension 80hp brembo brakes... if its less expensive than the stark they're going to crush it