Alex Martin puts the Stark Varg through the paces at Millville and does lap times battles against his GasGas 350. Watch to find out which bike is faster!
I'm wanting this bike because I'm a victim of a car/motorcycle accident from 1985 as I no longer have my right leg as I want to enjoy riding wheelies again as I wear a prosthetic leg an having the rear brake lever where the clutch used to be is awesome, I'm 63 an desire to continue riding as I'll do it until God takes me home
Pro riders - "It's so much fun, and it's competitive. It's a game changer!" C riders in the comments - "I'd rather eat a shit sandwich while crawling through barbed wire than ride this bike"
@@blubug768 1) I doubt this rider was paid to say anything. 2) It's not more expensive than gas. $10k gas mx bike that needs a full rebuild every 40 hours (less if it's a fast rider on a 250), or $13k e bike that needs 1/4 the maintenance. After 2 seasons you're at the same money with a whole lot less time spent keeping it running.
I'm a C rider and I'm way faster on my electric dirtbike than my gas one. It's a huge advantage for us casual riders. The haters just haven't ridden one 😂
Well done Alex! The production “style” in this video definitely suits you. Seeing the Stark was great but my favorite part was the layout and story here. Nice job!
@wiggie, seriously he ran 9 laps or more on it and 3/4 of a lap was actually shown. Y? Glad you asked.. cuz the electro Varg cannot handle 9 pinned laps! It will fall apart… lol
This was great Alex. Appreciated. The fact that your time was even better was freaking amazing. Ya look great. Certainly gonna be an interesting future. Lookin forward to it. ✌️😉
Thanks for the vid. very fluid delivery of words, sound, and visuals. as regards the stark varg, I think once they get battery life up to 60 mins in the hands of an AMA/FIM pro level rider, the bike will really take off on the MX/SX circuit. It will prolly never be long lived enough for everyone, but that and the infrastructure to recharge at the tracks are the biggest issues I see. The performance angle is pretty much solved.
@@thomashooker6087 true. but generators are already everywhere. at least they were when i was racing in the mid 90s. generator for the water pump and pressure washer. generator for the RV. soon it will be generator for your bike between motos. 😄
@@daneg they are, but as more and more pickup trucks come with built in high power delivery in the bed it'll start becoming a thing of the past. As long as people keep the quieter stock exhaust systems that is. I charge two e-motos on a 3.5L ecoboost F150 with a stock exhaust and it does so pretty much whisper quiet to the point where people don't even realize the truck is running.
@@LiquidFoxDesigns interesting. I thought the same but I figured it would be generators from electric pickups. supposedly the GM pickups are targeted for summer 2024, but that was like almost 11 months ago, so that target may have been pushed back significantly.
@@haydenflinner as far as i'm aware there is not a 3lb difference between the two versions. Also, there really isnt a weight savings when choosing left hand rear brake vs foot brake.
@@markme4 idk I feel like a kid watching another kid play with a toy. I can let my buddy ride my dirt bike and take a break for a while, but the electric you just want to keep riding!
They have pop up solar canopy chargers available right now. I can see these selling like hot cakes to motocross tracks over the next several years. Plug and play.
@@Amatronix999 That's one way. Would be heavy, but silent. I like those semi portable hand truck battery-inverter builds, thinking of doing one. A lot of tracks already have 50 or 30 Amp RV hook ups, would be nice for them to just make that more accessible and expand it. Grid tied solar will always be cheaper per kW. Makes sense for a track too since they have large unshaded areas with peak demand that correlates with peak sun. If they get in the business of selling ⚡ then this would lower their costs a lot
1:40/lap at 10 laps used 59% of the battery… so it will barely make a full moto. So if you want to race it, you’re buying another battery to swap as you cannot charge it fast enough between motos. Going to get rid of bike engine sounds at the track in exchange for constant, endless generators running.
Don't need generators. The electrical demands of charging bikes aren't a big deal. A 220v Stark charger doesn't even draw 10 amps, so a standard 200A hookup for a house could charge 20 bikes simultaneously in under an hour.
Coming in at 8:25 I was waiting for you to say “nervous” l😆l …I felt the same and still do a lot with all the torque and silence riding a VMX12 …can’t imagine if I get my VARG❣️
It does suck, even a regular E-Bike takes 5 hours to charge. You just have to be prepared, I’m sure pro’s will purchase extra battery and swap them out quicker than a charge
Alex, Please work with Clayton and do a review of the MXTech fork inserts on your GasGas! It makes the forks sooo much better. I only had a couple complaints with the air fork, but would be curious of your review if you were to make the swap.
@@markme4 I do too. I hated E bikes for years but when I got one it was so fun. I got to ride a E box electric pit bike, it was sooo awesome! I was a hater of 4 strokes replacing 2 strokes for so long but there’s no point in being pissed off about the inevitable future of electric bikes. It will be weird but hopefully they become affordable and tracks start opening in the CITY
nope, no one likes those gay electric bikes, a big part of motocross is to hear the bikes screaming at the start, and use skill with a clutch and other things, also how are u gonna do ur maintence on a bike with a ELECTRIC MOTOR that costs about 14k
@@thunderb0rn974 people said the same thing about 4 strokes. 2 years later they dominated the sport for good. Also, motocross in general isn’t getting cheaper it’s getting more expensive. You can’t even buy a decent bike for under $5,000 which is insane you used to be able to grab a used 2000 RM125 for $1300
Pretty to know and see your race track is providing your while family with money ... also good to know that Millville will always be on the national circuit
At some point all that power has to be slower because you constantly have to worry about lighting up the rear end. Sort of like 450's in SX, you don't need that much power to spin a fast lap. Sweet video A Mart
When you say the wheels made a big difference, what do you mean by that? What was better with them? Ability to feel the track, landing from jumps or ???
A guy by me got one and he is pro speed has his pro card and has qualified for nationals and he said 5 laps at speed you then can feel the battery fade .
Going to depend 100% on the track lengths and how much power one is demanding from the battery. That means both could be dead on the money with their comments, calling it "BS", or whatever, is a dumb-ass move without KNOWING the specific circumstances!
Is it my system or did the sound just get super low when they are talking? I turned up to max to hear what was being said and got blasted when the music kicked in.
This is sick. All you complaining about battery life do realize battery tech is only going to get better in the next 5-10 years. Hush up, be patient and let tech/innovation unfold 🤝
I'm not really into dirt bikes, just had to get some real info after Vanilla Ice mentioned the Stark Varg is the future of dirt bikes. He might be right, the fact that you took a machine with about 1 day of experience and outperformed yourself on a machine you have many years experience (and comfort) with, speaks volumes!
The usual reason are two-fold. Stonger, lighter rims mean less gyroscopic affect and also less unsprung weight which usually means the tyre keeps better contact with the ground and the bike is more stable on boken ground. A third reason is the slightly less mass meand less inertia, so better acc'n and braking.
@@jasper2114 I can't work out what you're point is. Are you say dialing in 80 is cheating? Why not just dial the 450 to.....Oh... I was pointing to the fact that it was still faster at 50hp, because, I would assume, the torque curve.
Great video! Funny I just found 2 Millville Pro national programs , 1 1983, 1984 . And 1 1977 amateur regional program ! Cool stuff- anybody looking for these?
As the power density of batteries improves (and it is).....the fastest vehicles will be electric. I love the legacy of 2 stroke and 4 strokes with transmissions and clutches....but if the goal is to go fast....this is it. Great to see the next chapter.
Someone needs to tell Stark industries they can fix the jumping on throttle causing pitch back problem if they program digital gears by setting incremental rpm limits based on user input... Hell, make it push button shifting and break some more barriers for your happy customers!. Anyone know if someone is already doing that? Awesome video and great overview and testing if the bike! Nice work gents!
Why bother doing that. Just be aware of it and adapt with less of a blip in the air . Remember he’s never ridden one and you wanna go design a gear system to fix a problem that Probbaly woulnt exist with a few more hours on the bike
@@Ozfreerider2504 that is a great point, this is still new technology and even the pros haven't had a chance to learn what they do like and don't like on this bike, and how to best use what is already available. But my desire for the functionality of a clutch by way of electronics only (not a mechanical wet clutch like on a 2 stroke, I'm more referring to adjustable traction control by way of a lever at your left hand). It would be a new product never developed before , at least never that I've heard of. This comes more from Enduro riding where clutch is critical part of balance, as well as power. The clutch is the scalpel where the throttle is a chain saw. I'm just hoping the technology can be suited to work with hard Enduro riders as well. Maybe stark isn't interested in making that happen. I'll be buying another 2 stroke they're great!! 😃
@@Jrod_FPV very good point about the clutch feel. I can't ride with a Rekluse. I have to have a stock clutch because I've ridden with one for 55 years. Old habits die hard
It goes 12 o'clock in the air because unlike hitting a rev limit in the current gear, the electric will go all the way to top speed so it will keep spinning faster long after an ICE bike has stopped. It is strange at first but on my Alta MXR, it has saved me a few time where the back kicked up, did an panic rev and it came right back.
Alex did a great job showing us some good insight with the bike. I wish he'd be a little more descriptive with what he thought about the suspension and chassis. I wonder if the left hand rear brake is an advantage or disadvantage? I'm sure its strange at first but that might be a big benefit going into right turns
I don't care if Stark was 30 secs faster, I'd still rather be in the stands watching the 350's! Pretty soon the riders will be in the stands to and it will all be remote FPV racing. Wouldn't that be fun?
Superb comparison and very interesting results! One thing about the battery; coming off the back of a pick-up truck in the low temperature you guys had that day, it sure ate some % much faster than if you pulled the Stark from a 50 to 70 degree environment and hauled it in a van. Keep roosting!
Imagine when they start racing in the series. 2 second lap time improvements on a bike he’s been on only one day. Everyone is going to RUN towards these.
two tghings to note, it was a hand read brake, which can take a bit of getting used to for feel, and the suspension wasn't dialed in to the rider's preferences.
while Alex was tlkn about what was on the bike and aparantly showing us but the camera man forgot to show us the view of the bike while amart was telling us all the stuff he'd put on it, I would of realy liked to see it dang it 😖😂 👍🏽
Exactly- And completely forget about going out with the boys and doing a 65 mile loop in the desert / mountains. Most , like 75% of the guys never ride a track- they buy a bike to ride in the country- Explore the trails- Even beginnings are riding 25-30 miles in the morning, have lunch at the truck, and do another 25-30 miles.
Great vid AM! I love that you didn't mention the rear brake on the bars, seems to not bother you much. I ride a lot of mountain bikes and on the road mini-motos usually like the ADV150, both have the brakes on the bars. But when I ride my dirt bike on the trails the hardest part for me is using the rear brake with my foot, and just prefer brakes on the bars. I see dudes using auto-clutches as well, so it seems for SX/MX a clutch is becoming less necessary. Thanks for the cool content.
I never raced so this might be a dumb question but will this be an issue for guys not being able to hear the bikes around them? Actually seems kinda like a safety issue if you change lines or if someone passes.When i did ride it was nice being able to hear if there was a faster rider than you and you could move over. I feel like it could be an issue. I think it would definitely be an adjustment for these guys. I mean there will be absolutely no warning if someone is gonna fly by you. I know electric is more than likely the future but it seems like it would be a little more dangerous than it already is. I think it would also be alot easier overshooting or undershooting jumps without gears.
They are making sound boxes that make gas bike noises for that reason, so others hear you in a race. and also to get a feel where you are in the power band.
Something I am coming to realize is that things are going to change dramatically once tracks start having a lot of these on site, and charging on site. I think you're going to see "supercross" spec bikes with smaller batteries, that make a ton of sense once tracks are 30% or more electric bikes on site. A battery that's about half the size of these would be unreal, but they are probably erring on tons of "range" for now, since the infrastructure isn't there. EDIT: hmm, was the bike at 90% or more when you started? that 38% after 10 laps doesn't seem quite right?
I LOVE starks and e-bikes and yet still agree with this. Haha . I’ve got a streak coming soon and think they will be better than ice bikes but I still don’t wanna see a full grid of them because the sounds of a gate drop in any race is awsome
I believe him , I just wanted to cut to the chase so I didn’t have to watch the whole 25 minute video I think Alex is a G, he’s so cool he’s the only guy Friese wouldn’t take out
@@Dat_Sun What makes you think he wasn't? As someone with a performance model Tesla, electrics can be brutally quick. It's like being in the perfect part of the powerband at all times.
Down here Catilina Arizona,, are Rail X and ,,RIDE is one hour and 30 minutes. 23 miles …. it’s Steve Sand washes, and he climbs. A lot of flat area ,,i’m riding a 2023 CRF 250 RX it’s the perfect bike for this ride ! . I wonder if it’ll last that long the battery. A friend of ours from Tucson has one of the Stark Varg dirt bikes on order. I guess we’ll see.!
@@tomballesteros4673Probably not. I ride 1,5 hours enduro singe track with it when the riding is not that fast. In race conditions 1 hour is probably pushing it
I'm waiting to see what'll happen if/when the AMA lets this bike into the Nationals and Supercross. It would need a top-level racer to give it a fair chance. How long does it take to charge that battery? In all the videos I've watched about these electric bikes, nobody's ever said how long it takes to charge 'em up.
Adding to that, have 38k miles experience on EV moto street bikes, passive air cooling is cheap and makes sense for bicycle speeds, and more than that it's just a must to have some kind of liquid cooling. For some of the EV street riders this means grab a 40oz cup of ice from the convenience store while at a charging stop and chuck it on the motor controller / battery / charging heatsink 😆
This is exactly what I expected, they keep showing this bike on the hard pack and saying how long it'll go for, but I figured at a track like southwick, you'd prolly get 5-10 laps.
I would think the rear brake on the handlebars would take a minute for a pro rider to use instinctively. I see why Alex would want a rear brake foot pedal.
Man it would take me some getting used to a brake where the clutch is supposed to be, I see myself coming out of corner and slamming on the brakes as so used to clutching out of corners for power or shifting can you say endo good I knew you could... I still want to ride one but still want to have a clutch and gears just my preference. here's hoping for a great future
I was thinking the same. It would take a while to really break all the old habits from a normal setup. I can kinda see the advantage of having the rear brake on the bars once you're used to it though, particularly for right hand corners, but I'd definitely hit the deck a few times first 😂 Good news is, you won't stall it when you inevitably get confused.
Great, informative video, but please consider a comms system if you're going to be doing a lot of helmet talking. You can also share thoughts while riding live instead of afterward.
(My apologies...just now realized he wasnt riding the whole track). WTH?! Maybe I missed it but not once did I see the Varg go up Mount Martin...I was looking for the juicy content. Not just the review. We want to see the uphill triple, up & down Mt Martin, back stretch of the track! Ik ik, I'm bitchin but make the cameraman work a little!
I'm wanting this bike because I'm a victim of a car/motorcycle accident from 1985 as I no longer have my right leg as I want to enjoy riding wheelies again as I wear a prosthetic leg an having the rear brake lever where the clutch used to be is awesome, I'm 63 an desire to continue riding as I'll do it until God takes me home
That’s the spirit.. Hope you’ll get one as they seem like a ton of fun.
Pro riders - "It's so much fun, and it's competitive. It's a game changer!"
C riders in the comments - "I'd rather eat a shit sandwich while crawling through barbed wire than ride this bike"
Yeah, the endless hate is weird to me.
people that are paid to say its good: its amazing
people that have to pay for it: Ya, na mate, gas is good!
@@blubug768money does talk lol
@@blubug768 1) I doubt this rider was paid to say anything. 2) It's not more expensive than gas. $10k gas mx bike that needs a full rebuild every 40 hours (less if it's a fast rider on a 250), or $13k e bike that needs 1/4 the maintenance. After 2 seasons you're at the same money with a whole lot less time spent keeping it running.
I'm a C rider and I'm way faster on my electric dirtbike than my gas one. It's a huge advantage for us casual riders. The haters just haven't ridden one 😂
Excellent. *after finishing the video I have to say that Alex is a natural behind the bike, camera and microphone. Great content.
No music would be perfect.
Really cool to see a pro on it not in Cali dirt. Great video, Alex!
Insanity. First ride on a new bike/different bike and right on to the national mx track. Crazy, better man than me.
Gonna be so sick to hear 40 chains when the gate drops
😂
gonna be so sick to be back riding on tracks that closed due to noise complaints. Shut yo negative ass
I dig the way sound
😂😅
Wait still they start shouting abuse at each other and the crowd can hear it!
Well done Alex! The production “style” in this video definitely suits you. Seeing the Stark was great but my favorite part was the layout and story here. Nice job!
Hey thank you 🙏🏻
Agree
@wiggie, seriously he ran 9 laps or more on it and 3/4 of a lap was actually shown. Y? Glad you asked.. cuz the electro Varg cannot handle 9 pinned laps! It will fall apart… lol
This was great Alex. Appreciated. The fact that your time was even better was freaking amazing. Ya look great. Certainly gonna be an interesting future. Lookin forward to it. ✌️😉
Thanks for the vid. very fluid delivery of words, sound, and visuals. as regards the stark varg, I think once they get battery life up to 60 mins in the hands of an AMA/FIM pro level rider, the bike will really take off on the MX/SX circuit. It will prolly never be long lived enough for everyone, but that and the infrastructure to recharge at the tracks are the biggest issues I see. The performance angle is pretty much solved.
Generators will be every😢where
@@thomashooker6087 true. but generators are already everywhere. at least they were when i was racing in the mid 90s. generator for the water pump and pressure washer. generator for the RV. soon it will be generator for your bike between motos. 😄
@@daneg they are, but as more and more pickup trucks come with built in high power delivery in the bed it'll start becoming a thing of the past. As long as people keep the quieter stock exhaust systems that is.
I charge two e-motos on a 3.5L ecoboost F150 with a stock exhaust and it does so pretty much whisper quiet to the point where people don't even realize the truck is running.
@@LiquidFoxDesigns interesting. I thought the same but I figured it would be generators from electric pickups. supposedly the GM pickups are targeted for summer 2024, but that was like almost 11 months ago, so that target may have been pushed back significantly.
Swapping the battery looks possible to do in a few minutes. Would be really cool if you could charge a 2nd battery while out riding.
That was awesome! Glad to have you still doing the vlogs.
Great coverage from a serious athlete.
Lap time 1:40 stark and 1:42 350f
But then you have to go charge you stark while you can just poor some gas in your KTM.
coming from someone who cant spell POUR.Nice try lil mikey.
@@mikepalmer2219
@@mikepalmer2219 or have a spare battery?
@@larryfitzpatrick840 you cant easily change the battery on the stark
@@tomkleingebbinck3500you actually can 😂 check all the mods and upgrades you can do on that thing.
Keep up the great content Alex!
What a great video! Very much appreciate it
The music and everything
So awesome seeing pros genuinely impressed by the Varg.
@bwhaskell how'd you feel about the 3lb difference between the 60hp and 80hp 😆
@@haydenflinner as far as i'm aware there is not a 3lb difference between the two versions. Also, there really isnt a weight savings when choosing left hand rear brake vs foot brake.
Rather have a clutch and sound like a motorcycle then your moms vibrator
@@haydenflinnerif 3lb makes that much of a difference you shouldn’t be on a bike. Maybe a ttr would better fit you
@@crawlz6226I think they are commenting about the fact that there shouldn’t be a weight difference rather than the value itself.
I'd love to have one. Alex had a scoop on the 350, big difference. Amazing job Stark!
That track looks like amazing fun!
I got to ride one a few weeks ago and I agree. Theyre a lot fun and so easy to ride.
They are so fun to ride. But so awful to watch someone ride 😂
@@iceKOIdWhy ?
@@markme4 idk I feel like a kid watching another kid play with a toy. I can let my buddy ride my dirt bike and take a break for a while, but the electric you just want to keep riding!
Might have to look into some 220 volt fast charge outlets for millville future
They have pop up solar canopy chargers available right now. I can see these selling like hot cakes to motocross tracks over the next several years. Plug and play.
Solar charging 1 varg would take a month 😂
@@Runk3lsmcdougalDepends on the solar array size. The Varg takes 3.5kW max charge speed and most roof/fixed solar is 10kW+.
@@Tazdeviloo7 you could have two 48v server rack style batteries with a 240v inverter prob do 2-3 charges.
@@Amatronix999 That's one way. Would be heavy, but silent. I like those semi portable hand truck battery-inverter builds, thinking of doing one. A lot of tracks already have 50 or 30 Amp RV hook ups, would be nice for them to just make that more accessible and expand it. Grid tied solar will always be cheaper per kW. Makes sense for a track too since they have large unshaded areas with peak demand that correlates with peak sun. If they get in the business of selling ⚡ then this would lower their costs a lot
1:40/lap at 10 laps used 59% of the battery… so it will barely make a full moto. So if you want to race it, you’re buying another battery to swap as you cannot charge it fast enough between motos. Going to get rid of bike engine sounds at the track in exchange for constant, endless generators running.
Don't need generators. The electrical demands of charging bikes aren't a big deal. A 220v Stark charger doesn't even draw 10 amps, so a standard 200A hookup for a house could charge 20 bikes simultaneously in under an hour.
@@OtisFlint and what tracks have those available for people to use? Yup, nothing but generators in the pits
@@Natedoc808 tracks can install them and charge for charging, easy.
@@Studentofgosset sounds affordable.
@@Natedoc808 Cheaper than gas, easy for riders and organisers.
So much evolution to come with these bike.
Best intro yet on a MX video.
Coming in at 8:25 I was waiting for you to say “nervous” l😆l …I felt the same and still do a lot with all the torque and silence riding a VMX12 …can’t imagine if I get my VARG❣️
Rad video! 🤘
The battery life is the deal breaker for me.
It does suck, even a regular E-Bike takes 5 hours to charge. You just have to be prepared, I’m sure pro’s will purchase extra battery and swap them out quicker than a charge
Very impressive! 🤗
Great content! For all of the gas bike riders, you need not worry. Both bikes are competitive.
That intro greeting got me to subscribe to this channel of troll trains
Alex,
Please work with Clayton and do a review of the MXTech fork inserts on your GasGas! It makes the forks sooo much better. I only had a couple complaints with the air fork, but would be curious of your review if you were to make the swap.
Good video,would have liked to see some drag race starts with that varg and the gg,side by side.😊
Can’t wait to see it in the monster energy series!
I think the electric will be its own class
@@iceKOIdI think an all electric Arenacross would be cool
I don't think it's been approved for AMA Pro competition
@@markme4 I do too. I hated E bikes for years but when I got one it was so fun. I got to ride a E box electric pit bike, it was sooo awesome! I was a hater of 4 strokes replacing 2 strokes for so long but there’s no point in being pissed off about the inevitable future of electric bikes. It will be weird but hopefully they become affordable and tracks start opening in the CITY
Ya man, places to ride without driving an hour or better one way would be sweet.
Like it or hate it, this is going to be the future of Supercross and Motocross
nope, no one likes those gay electric bikes, a big part of motocross is to hear the bikes screaming at the start, and use skill with a clutch and other things, also how are u gonna do ur maintence on a bike with a ELECTRIC MOTOR that costs about 14k
@@thunderb0rn974 😂😂😂
I agree the tree huggers are gonna make gassers illegal im sure. Isnt cali already making them illegal in a few years?
@@thunderb0rn974 people said the same thing about 4 strokes. 2 years later they dominated the sport for good. Also, motocross in general isn’t getting cheaper it’s getting more expensive. You can’t even buy a decent bike for under $5,000 which is insane you used to be able to grab a used 2000 RM125 for $1300
AMA endurocross announced that E-bikes are illegal. mx and supercross are sure to follow.
Pretty to know and see your race track is providing your while family with money ... also good to know that Millville will always be on the national circuit
1 1/2 laps took 10% batt on slow mode 😂
Yeah, this is still a huge problem with electric vehicles in general. Not nearly enough range, and it takes too long to re-charge.
so don't you imagine this will improve.
First cars on the road were way slower than horses.
How long did you have to charge it for at the track? Looks like a standard 220v/240v RV plug @ maybe 30 amps?
It is currently 10 amp max, but that might change, I hope
cant wait to see w40 of these humming to the first turn said no one ever!!!!
But you could hear the pros curse at each other. A whole new reason to watch 😂
At some point all that power has to be slower because you constantly have to worry about lighting up the rear end. Sort of like 450's in SX, you don't need that much power to spin a fast lap. Sweet video A Mart
When you say the wheels made a big difference, what do you mean by that? What was better with them? Ability to feel the track, landing from jumps or ???
A guy by me got one and he is pro speed has his pro card and has qualified for nationals and he said 5 laps at speed you then can feel the battery fade .
Seriously doubt that. They are winning everything in the UK, right now. So if the battery "fading" is a thing it's not affecting race results for sure
Going to depend 100% on the track lengths and how much power one is demanding from the battery.
That means both could be dead on the money with their comments, calling it "BS", or whatever, is a dumb-ass move without KNOWING the specific circumstances!
Cheers for the lap time and how much more do you think can get with more time in it
And e bike on it still sounds sik haha
What layout was run, in 23 the 450's were running in the low 2 minutes? Was a hard section skipped.
Is it my system or did the sound just get super low when they are talking? I turned up to max to hear what was being said and got blasted when the music kicked in.
What kind of main difference are you realizing with the Dubya DID wheels?
If there was a whole field of electric MX bikes at a race the only thing you could hear is spectators swallowing their beer.
This is sick. All you complaining about battery life do realize battery tech is only going to get better in the next 5-10 years.
Hush up, be patient and let tech/innovation unfold 🤝
Someone raced an Alta on amateur day before the national a couple years ago.
I'm not really into dirt bikes, just had to get some real info after Vanilla Ice mentioned the Stark Varg is the future of dirt bikes. He might be right, the fact that you took a machine with about 1 day of experience and outperformed yourself on a machine you have many years experience (and comfort) with, speaks volumes!
Hey, question on your 350 I’ll many clutches if any?
Unpopular opinion probably…BUT I like the silence and hearing that thing absolute rip the dirt.
Alex could you go into a little detail on why the wheel set up are better than stock really interested on why you can feel the difference.
The usual reason are two-fold.
Stonger, lighter rims mean less gyroscopic affect and also less unsprung weight which usually means the tyre keeps better contact with the ground and the bike is more stable on boken ground.
A third reason is the slightly less mass meand less inertia, so better acc'n and braking.
Alex you don't give it gas in the air!! You give it volts!
you had me at good morning🤣
Dude you blew it…everyone wanted to see you battling your 350 with the troll on steroids 80 hp setting! ✊
Never gonna happen only a 38% charge remaining after 10 laps and on the 50hp mode…another nail in the coffin of the Varq..
@@CoolioDaMan they will figure out a way to make it run 35 min motos eventually
@@CoolioDaManSo, it was faster in a lower setting than it can do.
And that's losing from you perspective🤔
@@roscius6204he ran it at 80..?
@@jasper2114 I can't work out what you're point is.
Are you say dialing in 80 is cheating?
Why not just dial the 450 to.....Oh...
I was pointing to the fact that it was still faster at 50hp, because, I would assume, the torque curve.
Great video! Funny I just found 2 Millville Pro national programs , 1 1983, 1984 . And 1 1977 amateur regional program ! Cool stuff- anybody looking for these?
As the power density of batteries improves (and it is).....the fastest vehicles will be electric.
I love the legacy of 2 stroke and 4 strokes with transmissions and clutches....but if the goal is to go fast....this is it. Great to see the next chapter.
For me to consider one it’d need a quick change battery and come with two packs for the same price.
Someone needs to tell Stark industries they can fix the jumping on throttle causing pitch back problem if they program digital gears by setting incremental rpm limits based on user input... Hell, make it push button shifting and break some more barriers for your happy customers!. Anyone know if someone is already doing that?
Awesome video and great overview and testing if the bike! Nice work gents!
Why bother doing that. Just be aware of it and adapt with less of a blip in the air . Remember he’s never ridden one and you wanna go design a gear system to fix a problem that Probbaly woulnt exist with a few more hours on the bike
@@Ozfreerider2504 that is a great point, this is still new technology and even the pros haven't had a chance to learn what they do like and don't like on this bike, and how to best use what is already available.
But my desire for the functionality of a clutch by way of electronics only (not a mechanical wet clutch like on a 2 stroke, I'm more referring to adjustable traction control by way of a lever at your left hand). It would be a new product never developed before , at least never that I've heard of. This comes more from Enduro riding where clutch is critical part of balance, as well as power. The clutch is the scalpel where the throttle is a chain saw. I'm just hoping the technology can be suited to work with hard Enduro riders as well. Maybe stark isn't interested in making that happen. I'll be buying another 2 stroke they're great!! 😃
@@Jrod_FPV very good point about the clutch feel. I can't ride with a Rekluse. I have to have a stock clutch because I've ridden with one for 55 years. Old habits die hard
I got so confused when I saw the back of your jersey cos I was just playing against your AI in mesx lol
Well, I must say I feel the exact same way.
It goes 12 o'clock in the air because unlike hitting a rev limit in the current gear, the electric will go all the way to top speed so it will keep spinning faster long after an ICE bike has stopped. It is strange at first but on my Alta MXR, it has saved me a few time where the back kicked up, did an panic rev and it came right back.
Get a new Stark Varg! Sweet bikes.
@@Davido50 on order.
This is huge and will be remembered as a moment in history.
Interesting Alex is so down on the OEM GG wheels. What do the aftermarket wheels do that is so great?
The Dubya wheel setup is more rigid, which for me helped with high speed stability and was less twitchy on rough sections.
A bike SO good they wont give it to actual test riders
I mean, they have done that...
And then there is the stock issue, every single produced bike need to go out to their customers.
I guess its the future not to keen on the no noise but it will keep everyone happy ie neighbours looks fast though
That was killer. New title "Stark Varg kills Gas Gas 350!".
Alex did a great job showing us some good insight with the bike. I wish he'd be a little more descriptive with what he thought about the suspension and chassis. I wonder if the left hand rear brake is an advantage or disadvantage? I'm sure its strange at first but that might be a big benefit going into right turns
Hand brake is always an advantage once you get used to it.
Hand brake is a game changer. You can always brake, and better. One-finger lockups with the brembo
Can it stay competitive through a 30 min moto?
Dude , did you rip Mt Martin on the Stark ?
I want one!
What did Alex say? If he were to get one, it would be with or without the foot rear brake? I couldn't hear him.
I don't care if Stark was 30 secs faster, I'd still rather be in the stands watching the 350's! Pretty soon the riders will be in the stands to and it will all be remote FPV racing. Wouldn't that be fun?
You should stick to shouting at clouds.
Faster is faster..... done.
Let me know when your done making love to that tree!@@roscius6204
Superb comparison and very interesting results! One thing about the battery; coming off the back of a pick-up truck in the low temperature you guys had that day, it sure ate some % much faster than if you pulled the Stark from a 50 to 70 degree environment and hauled it in a van. Keep roosting!
Imagine when they start racing in the series. 2 second lap time improvements on a bike he’s been on only one day. Everyone is going to RUN towards these.
AMA endurocross announced that E-bikes are illegal. mx and supercross are sure to follow.
@@bob-qi4nr they will have their own class and then someday be the premiere class
@@alekblaser Someday....in the future...Live for now you may be dead in the future.
Just need to do something about that sound and they’ll be golden.
Battery tech is improving give it 5 plus years
two tghings to note, it was a hand read brake, which can take a bit of getting used to for feel, and the suspension wasn't dialed in to the rider's preferences.
while Alex was tlkn about what was on the bike and aparantly showing us but the camera man forgot to show us the view of the bike while amart was telling us all the stuff he'd put on it, I would of realy liked to see it dang it 😖😂 👍🏽
Hating on the Varg is like back when people said ur not as agile unless u wear booty shorts to play basketball 😂
so i drive 2 hours to the track, ride for 30 minutes run out of charge and then what?
Exactly-
And completely forget about going out with the boys and doing a 65 mile loop in the desert / mountains.
Most , like 75% of the guys never ride a track- they buy a bike to ride in the country-
Explore the trails-
Even beginnings are riding 25-30 miles in the morning, have lunch at the truck, and do another 25-30 miles.
Great vid AM! I love that you didn't mention the rear brake on the bars, seems to not bother you much. I ride a lot of mountain bikes and on the road mini-motos usually like the ADV150, both have the brakes on the bars. But when I ride my dirt bike on the trails the hardest part for me is using the rear brake with my foot, and just prefer brakes on the bars. I see dudes using auto-clutches as well, so it seems for SX/MX a clutch is becoming less necessary. Thanks for the cool content.
I never raced so this might be a dumb question but will this be an issue for guys not being able to hear the bikes around them? Actually seems kinda like a safety issue if you change lines or if someone passes.When i did ride it was nice being able to hear if there was a faster rider than you and you could move over. I feel like it could be an issue. I think it would definitely be an adjustment for these guys. I mean there will be absolutely no warning if someone is gonna fly by you. I know electric is more than likely the future but it seems like it would be a little more dangerous than it already is. I think it would also be alot easier overshooting or undershooting jumps without gears.
No
They are making sound boxes that make gas bike noises for that reason, so others hear you in a race. and also to get a feel where you are in the power band.
Something I am coming to realize is that things are going to change dramatically once tracks start having a lot of these on site, and charging on site. I think you're going to see "supercross" spec bikes with smaller batteries, that make a ton of sense once tracks are 30% or more electric bikes on site. A battery that's about half the size of these would be unreal, but they are probably erring on tons of "range" for now, since the infrastructure isn't there. EDIT: hmm, was the bike at 90% or more when you started? that 38% after 10 laps doesn't seem quite right?
Doesnt matter how good it feels to ride if it sounds like when your granny vacuums under the couch
40 ebikes lined up at supercross would be horrible
It’s not. I’ve watched them plenty of times
I LOVE starks and e-bikes and yet still agree with this. Haha . I’ve got a streak coming soon and think they will be better than ice bikes but I still don’t wanna see a full grid of them because the sounds of a gate drop in any race is awsome
Pastrana said it is good and thats good enough for me :D
Anyone here has any take on the rear handbrake? I’m torn between ordering a foot or hand rear brake.
2 seconds per lap is a huge amount of time at the end of a race!
Thats not reality, this was not an honest review.
@@Dat_Sunwhat’s the time stamp for times
@@YourHomeBuilderLtd-xu6cp I don't understand, are you saying you believe he was being honest?
I believe him , I just wanted to cut to the chase so I didn’t have to watch the whole 25 minute video I think Alex is a G, he’s so cool he’s the only guy Friese wouldn’t take out
@@Dat_Sun What makes you think he wasn't? As someone with a performance model Tesla, electrics can be brutally quick. It's like being in the perfect part of the powerband at all times.
can not hear you after 3:45 for the rest of the video
Probably be a great machine in Hard enduro ,,because of the weight mass , weight mass makes a very big difference in your cornering and hill, climbing
but hard enduro is alot of hours and the battery aint got the life for that
Down here Catilina Arizona,, are Rail X and ,,RIDE is one hour and 30 minutes. 23 miles …. it’s Steve Sand washes, and he climbs. A lot of flat area ,,i’m riding a 2023 CRF 250 RX it’s the perfect bike for this ride ! . I wonder if it’ll last that long the battery. A friend of ours from Tucson has one of the Stark Varg dirt bikes on order. I guess we’ll see.!
@@tomballesteros4673Probably not. I ride 1,5 hours enduro singe track with it when the riding is not that fast. In race conditions 1 hour is probably pushing it
Stall fast af
I'm waiting to see what'll happen if/when the AMA lets this bike into the Nationals and Supercross. It would need a top-level racer to give it a fair chance.
How long does it take to charge that battery? In all the videos I've watched about these electric bikes, nobody's ever said how long it takes to charge 'em up.
Was that the cooling fan that was so loud when he stopped?
It has a small radiator with a fan under the seat for water cooling the battery.
Overheating
@@TSM_BreaK Actaully no. The battery is air cooled. The water cooling is for engine and controller.
EV cars like a bit of overheating 🔥
Adding to that, have 38k miles experience on EV moto street bikes, passive air cooling is cheap and makes sense for bicycle speeds, and more than that it's just a must to have some kind of liquid cooling. For some of the EV street riders this means grab a 40oz cup of ice from the convenience store while at a charging stop and chuck it on the motor controller / battery / charging heatsink 😆
This is exactly what I expected, they keep showing this bike on the hard pack and saying how long it'll go for, but I figured at a track like southwick, you'd prolly get 5-10 laps.
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I would think the rear brake on the handlebars would take a minute for a pro rider to use instinctively. I see why Alex would want a rear brake foot pedal.
Man it would take me some getting used to a brake where the clutch is supposed to be, I see myself coming out of corner and slamming on the brakes as so used to clutching out of corners for power or shifting can you say endo good I knew you could... I still want to ride one but still want to have a clutch and gears just my preference. here's hoping for a great future
I was thinking the same. It would take a while to really break all the old habits from a normal setup. I can kinda see the advantage of having the rear brake on the bars once you're used to it though, particularly for right hand corners, but I'd definitely hit the deck a few times first 😂 Good news is, you won't stall it when you inevitably get confused.
think push bike.....
The future is here
Great, informative video, but please consider a comms system if you're going to be doing a lot of helmet talking. You can also share thoughts while riding live instead of afterward.
(My apologies...just now realized he wasnt riding the whole track).
WTH?! Maybe I missed it but not once did I see the Varg go up Mount Martin...I was looking for the juicy content. Not just the review. We want to see the uphill triple, up & down Mt Martin, back stretch of the track! Ik ik, I'm bitchin but make the cameraman work a little!
did i miss the stark lap time or 🤔
Yes, time flashed up on the screen after the hot laps..it was 1:40