STARK VARG: Everything you need to know‼️
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Stark Future is at the cutting edge of Dirtbike technology, as seen in their first addition bike, The Stark Varg! Unfortunately there is a a lot of really bad information out there on the web about it. In this video we talk only the facts!
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I can’t believe these exist right now. Insanity. Thought I would never see the day. Awesome.
Won't ever catch on. Cos tfsr too much, have hundreds of these batteries in charge at every race with a rack of diesel generators just to charge them, $4500 batteries...nope. nothing beats good ole combustion engines. Plus all the materials are mined by slaves to make the lithium battery...😅
Alta Motors started this trend
i know! the existence of this bike is highly inspiring! and i definitely would like to ride this bike!
if these bikes could be rented for a day at the track, that would be amazing! i would love to ride this bike!
Alta was too ahead of it’s time, I feel like most dirtbike/motorcycle riders have thought electric bikes were a joke or a child’s toy but the stark varg is the fastest production bike as of 2023
@@noahm6261 the alta wasn't ahead of its time, the bike was a joke that overheats constantly and cant even finish a moto...
You say the stark is the fastest but my tw200 would beat it in a endurance race... Lmfao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😏😏😏😂😂😂
At 80hp that tiny 6.5kwh battery will be dead in 15 to 20 minutes tops and then it's off to the charger for 2 to 3 hours, that's super lame...
And lest not forget that you are not making 80% once the state of charge drops bellow 30%, super lame again...
Well, let's hope this is the beginning of a new future dirt bike development. Honestly, only the beginning for now.
The best dirtbike ever made. Been loving mine! Happy to see other people getting their hands on one and loving it as well. ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
And how many years does the battery last?
At 14k for the bike I wouldn't call that tool set free
that's a valid point
I have the Alpha 80hp model and still have my CR500 and the Alpha is faster in very way and more controllable. Changing the gear oil is supper fast. Incredibly Fun bike I ever have owned in my life riding all over the US and Canada. You can put it in 10hp mode and my little 16yo sister can ride it when we went camping and on one trail deer didn't care she was riding right next to them out in the woods. I'm 6'2" or 188cm 220lbs with gear on and it's a rocket on the track.
The hand brake makes it so much better
I am a researcher and experimentor and i absolutely love the technology on this bike!
there’s a company called gbatteries that can fast charge off the shelf lithium batteries in under ten minutes (approximately 15 years of successful testing completed), even larger batteries such as those that are in electric vehicles.
it would be awesome if this motorcycle company could team up with gbatteries or make their own version of this low resistance fast charging system.
this dirt bike is amazing!
this company is absolutely next level!
i would love if this company made a micro mobility enclosed aerodynamic, micro city vehicle for city travels, because i love the way this company approaches every detail of design!
Great video intro. Thank you.
255 pounds is light af for an 80 horse bike. Period. I don’t know of another 80 horse bike that’s lighter. I do know of a bunch of 225+ pound bikes that don’t have KYB suspension. And 40ish horse.
I’m so excited to ride one on a track!
Awesome, Hope they end up having a clutch option like Electric Motion has.
Absolutely awesome🔥
Great video!!!
I like a lot about the SV, the different power settings, from 10hp to 80hp, the never do a top end rebuild, the never buy gas or oil, and mix it, all the savings on maintenance, no muffler to replace with a better one, and on and on, all that is great.
But I do have a couple big problems, the riding time on a charge, and the charging times. I saw a range test where a top mx rider rode one on an mx track pretty hard at 60hp and it went from 100% charge to 10% charge in 1 hour. Then it took 2.5 hours to charge it back up to 100%, which is way too long for me. If they can get that charge time from 10% to 100% in 30 minutes, that would be ok with me.
I just can not see riding it for 1 hour, then waiting 2.5 hours to ride it again for 1 hour, you would be sitting at your truck all day just to get 2 hours riding time, that is ridiculous, and something nobody in these videos do not seem to want to talk about.
One other problem I have is the life of the battery, and the cost to buy a new one. I saw that SV says the battery is good for 500 hours, and then you have to buy a new one, for $7,000, from SV of course. So you pay $14k for the bike, then every 500 hours you have to drop $7,000 for a new battery, no thanks.
1) The charging time is way too long.
2) The $7,000 battery every 500 hours is ridiculous.
If they can ever get the charging time down to 30 minutes to do an 90% charge, and get the new battery down to say $2,000, they will will have a winning product, until then I just do not see myself buying one.
And one last thing, when you pay $14k for a dirt bike, it's not that big of a deal that they give you a fancy $300 took kit with it. You act like they are giving us a one ounce gold bar for buying the bike, it's just a took kit in a fancy box.
left this comment 2 weeks ago, and not 1 person has replied to it. Nobody wants to address my questions, they just ignore them and hope nobody will see them.
It's usually the last 20% of charging that takes the longest. So you can probably go again after 30-40 min.
I dont know about you, but if a pro rider can rip this machine full blast for 60 min, then I know I would need a break before the bike does.
With that said, I have no idea what kind of rider you are or on what level you ride.
same here. full arm pump after 30 mins. and aren't most mx races around 30 mins? Maybe this guy really can ride hard for 60 mins who am i to say.
@@marcusnorell4667
Awesome video! Balance the audio between shots please
Great video.
Thank means a lot coming from The GURU! Thank you 🙏
its really cool. I'm sure they thought about what happens if you crash and that phone cradle get damaged while you are far from the truck. Would the bike be a brick. Or during a very muddy race I am sure the bike is sealed but you need a secondary place to keep that phone. Best electric bike I have seen though
Your pocket.
AWESOME bike are they going to bring out an enduro version?
So the iphone glass is now the crash pad? nice
Nice vid! Please tell people that you should NEVER LEAVE YOUR BATTERY CHARGED FOR MORE THAN 1-1.5DAYS. To keep it happy it should be 35-55% when stored for more than a day or two.
Otherwise the inner resistance of the battery will start to go up and performance/range will be lost. So wierd that all rc toys have storagemode on almost every charger these days but no ebikes have it.
good to know! thank you for the comment and education!
You beat me to it! I could probably do it with my charger it would just take me longer than a regular battery! Are they discharging and balancing the cells with the chargers that come with these?
It's not 2 to 2 days. It's 1 to 2 weeks. Battery can %100 stay charged to full for two days without any issues. This isn't 2015 anymore. Battery tech is far more advanced now
You should not leave any EV charged at 100% unless you are planning to use it right way. EV's are most happy when the battery cluster is less than 90% charged. @@tintin6291
Crazy I looked these up last night 😂
These do look sick and loved the video! Did I see correctly that it used 38% of its battery to ride 14 minutes at the full 80HP? I really want the Varg to be my next bike but battery life like that makes me worry ill regret it 😑
No i dont think so, there is a video of someone Dyno testing it and after multiple pulls at different power modes (max and minimum) they only used 22%. you can search stark varg dyno to see it yourself
I know and admit that I am Not Man enough to ride / race the SV at 80HP until the battery is depleted… just say’n
This company is insane.
Going to buy one as soon as they can be registered for on road driving here in Dubai.
People complain about the price…..why pay 11-12k for a 4 smoke rattle box. I am Sick maintenance….been dealing with rebuilding and keeping up with my bikes my entire life…..with my son racing now this is the perfect option for me to be able to rip around with him and not have a 4th bike to maintain….
Are you in Arizona?
How did you get the tools free with the bike? I have my pre order but the tools are an extra £500
Extra 500 geez!
Does anyone know the hightspeed...?
What happens if the phone breaks? How long will it take to get a new phone that way you can ride the bike again?
I wondered the same. I imagine the phone is primarily for adjusting settings. So if it breaks in a crash when out riding, you wouldn't be stranded. Just curious how robust it is in typical MX crashes. Hopefully replacing isn't mega expensive and probably will have options later for covering the screen to keep it protected more I'm sure.
I would hope to get a phone and toolbox, the bike is 19500 here in Australia, OUCH.
I believe Stark Varg hasn’t thought of everything.
I believe the countershaft sprocket is to close to the swingarm. So close in fact that it can get jammed against swingarm with small stones and mud. Which can break things. Please check and see if their is a remedy.
Needs a clutch also
Not to mention the close proximity of the rear tyre to the swingarm!
The closer the countershaft is to the swingarm pivot; the less the chain tension changes with suspension movement. That is not a bad thing. I think that your worries about rocks and mud wrecking things is more theoretical than real.
Hover bikes next to
What happens if the phone gets smashed,walk home?
Good job clearing up FAQs. Im confused about the gas engine standing the bike up in turns thing. Can anyone explain this more in depth?
Rotating mass in the engine (on different axis) act like a gyro making the bike want to assume an upright position when the engine is rotating. 4strokes have a crank and valve train all rotating in line with the frame. 2strokes only have the crank. So 4strokes are more difficult to lay over into turns, especially slow turns, because of the rotating valve train is high in the frame. The electric motor will be low in the frame and will have reduced gyro effect (unless it spins really really fast, I'm not sure about that)
@@abpob6052 interesting. I knew there was some gyro effect I just didnt understand why it would prefer the direction of vertical. The stark motor would be small rotating mass and likely high rpm. It appears to have a single stage gear reduction.
What’s the top speed
The future right there
how long does the battery last?
ppl say they are getting about 2 hours at the track
hello, good video, i love the bike, but how do you know that it has "true" 80 hp ? there is video on yt stark varg on dyno, it has 67 hp in 80 hp mode. sorry for bad english
yes there are a few videos out now with the stark on a dyne and ive seen mixed numbers. Some of it seems to come down to if a slick tire is on the bike or a knobby. I believe its 80hp
@@the_motofam thanks for clarification
@@bojanfifa7904 someone did a dyno and got 68 HP in 80 Hp mode. Just saying.
I think this is going to be" the wave of the future. " This is a great first attempt but as we all know its lacking in range. Most dirt bikes see more offroad time than track time so range (miles ridden) and time are the most important factors. The next important thing will be is it reliable. All this electronic gadget, trickery, wizardry works well on paper, but when put in production electronic parts fail and there is no telling when a sensor or controller or circuit board will let go . Can these electrical components handle the pounding and vibrations a dirt bike is subject to? I believe the biggest mistake Stark Varg made is that the battery is not easily changeable. Think power tools, I can change the battery on my Dewalt tools in seconds. I'm interested but the bike needs more refinement, and honestly being that this is a new manufacturer, I'll wait and see if they survive. I' m probably more likely to buy an electric dirtbike from the legacy manufacturers Yamaha, Honda, KTM ect... due to their history, engineering and financial strength. I ride out in the desert with my friends. We do 30-60 mile loops 3-4 hours at a time. The Stark Varg at the moment wont work for me. In closing I want to make a few suggestions. 1. It needs a quick change battery. 2. It needs more range. 3. It needs to weigh less than the current 4 strokes. 4. It should cost less than a current 4 stroke 5. I shouldn’t have to clip in my phone. I should be able to program 3 modes of power of my choosing and be able to select with a simple push of a button, in addition it needs a light to indicate your at 10% power left or whatever reserve percentage you choose. I'm interested but not ready to purchase. For now I'll stick with my 20yo KX500 which has never let me down or left me walking.
Is the battery part of the bike?
yes, its interfaces with the frame. so as of not the battery doesn't come out
@the_motofam I would like a battery pack in the future but still awesome
Can you still ride if you crash and smash the phone?
Yes
This would make supercross unreal
Absolutely agree!
why didnt alta work out?
great question, it all comes down to a deal they made with Harley Davidson that ended bankrupting them
I'm an engineer and I could ride the bike 20hrs just playing with all the variables
I'd get one if I had the money
Can someone confirm the range, based on what is shown in the video. One of the rides was 5 miles for 38% of the battery. Does that mean the battery runs out in 15 miles / 45 minutes of riding? I can't find reliable information about the real world range, no youtuber wants to talk about it.
Battery life is highly dependent on how you ride and what you ride. You should get 40 to 60 miles on a charge but obviously if you use 80hp you'll waste it in 30 mins.
i test rode on a slippery hard pack mx track and drained about 8% per lap ( approx 2km coarse , engine power set to 50hp which was plenty )
Look up the Josh hill stark varg vid ... 1hr 15mins of vigorous track riding and 40% batt. remaining
If you ever get yours, they just delayed all orders yet again, ordered in Feb 2022, and now delayed until April 2024, frikin bs
Make a street legal supermoto version and I'll bite
Do a CZcams search. They have supermoto mods!
He is wrong in this video, you can buy ktm sumo wheels to fit this bike
Android phone as a dash? that's neat.
This as a supermoto would sell out.
Will probably come as an option with slicks
80hp is certainly going to cause battery wear and tear! It would be like running your cell phone at 100% screen brightness always
Lmao. That's not how this works bro.
80hp will put more stress on the mechanical components not the battery
how?
Street legal version??
That would be awesome! I haven't heard anything about street legal type, but I have seen ppl put street tires on them and ride them on the street (illegally 😂)
Why would it need a clutch. It’s electric.
And not a word on power delivery without clutch...
are they street legal ?
great question, as of right now they don't make a street legal version. But ive already seen ppl modifying the to be ridden on street.
Brother, you paid for the tool set!
I think this guy is riding a dirtbike for the first time in his life!
its probably amazin bike beautiful and so on but i heard u cannot use it without the phone or stark varg app which mean in some near future that bitch will be hackable and even on the 80cv mode it will be 100% trackable and shit
Swedish enginerig 👍
🔥💯
Needs a clutch
how much did it cost?
Out the door $14,000.00 USD
255 is not heavy
I’d say 80 hp for most Varg users is definitely in the gray area………
Not near 80 hp I hear😂
I'd guess that 99.99% of riders could ride the bike faster with the motor set at 40 -50 hp than they could with it set at 80 hp.
Same suspension on my cheap ass rieju 😂
the tool set is cool and all, but you also spent $14,000.
Of course they can afford to “give“ you tools when the bike is so overpriced, they charging 7k us for the battery alone...
I was kinda interested in this bike till you said that.
stark varg is a cool idea, but it is way overpriced, of course they are willing to give you tools and a phone and whatever, but nowhere a battery costs 7k and it all shouldn't be 14k, its too much, anyways, it must be awesome to have one
@@tuga6807 play with it for 45 min to 1.5 hours and charge it for 3 hours... Lame
The battery is $2999…..
@@andrewmcconnell2288 it's not 2999, it's literally on their website @ 7k USD and 10300 here in Canada.
Would like to have it but not for 12 grand
That is what motorcycles cost
Why lie about the weight? It’s 263 pounds.
They are imposing electrified motorcycles on us, something that most of us do not want...Long live the carburetor...
how can we take it serious. If you only road it for 30 seconds. you have fiqured everything out about the bike in 30 secs. How it handles, how light it is how it corners. LOL really. Your absolutely amazing. What color are my socks sensei.
Think the 80 hp has been debunked😂
And that is still more powerful than any CR500 , KX500, KTM 500 , GASGAS MC700 . So then what?
@@rotaryraythere's a dyno video of a cr500 with a big bore making 73hp to the wheel
That bike sucks ass and is heavy as a tank. My Husky 250 weighs 228 lbs bud. Light and easy to ride. What do you think resale on that bike will be 3 years from now?? 4500-5000? Hard pass on that POS
No english can say the name right.. 😂
Super gay could you imagine going to supercross or motocross and just hearing gay e-bikes.
exactly ,this sport is about sound and feel
Boring, stop destroying what we love, this sport is about sound and engine we don’t want a silent grass mower sound bike
Motocross is not all about power. Even at the moment, riders are saying "The old ones were the best", EVO bikes now costing a fortune. We are at a point in MX history, a turn for the worst. People who buy into this will be able to look back and tell their kids/ grandkids that they helped destroy one of the most amazing sports a kid could do. The noise, the smell, the groundshaking starts of a GP and the time spent fiddling with the bikes with yer buddies on weekends, all part of the MX sport. Such a shame.
not that deep stop crying about what other people buy lmao. no one’s saying you can’t still have a gas bike.
Ffs 🤦♂️ with that mindset you are the sort of person to work for the same company all your life
Hand brakes on a dirtbike is the most loser shit you could ever do. Just get a mountain bike instead 😂
Gay!!!!