Stark Varg. Things I don't like. A few issues!
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2023
- The Stark Varg is an INCREDIBLE bike! But it definitely has a few design issues that hopefully get sorted out down the road. Watch this and please comment what you think!
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Excellent content. Thank you for taking your time to put this together. Interested to see how Stark reacts to your feedback.
Thank you!
I'm so EXCITED to see this bike finally getting into the hands of the public. Stark should thank you for the input. How they react to it will make or break their success. I thought everyone of your complaints was valid and if addressed will make this bike a winner. Looking forward to more of yours and others content on this bike and how it fares in competition.
Theres definitely things that has to be fixed, I agree to most of the concerns that you have but my main problem seems to be software related. Sometimes the app just wont connect to the bike. Getting a new phone charger/bluetooth receiver sent out and hopefully that will fix the problem. Thing is though that it is mostly small things that can be fixed quite easily or that I can live with, the bike is awesome in every other aspect (I totally understand if range can be a concern but not for me)
1) Mudflap: Yeah that’s annoying, you either have to run a smaller sprocket or change to a longer chain. The should have kept a couple of extra links on the chain from the factory and that problem wouldn’t have happened.
2) Chain guide: Its really narrow, my Regina chain didnt fit either so im running a D.I.D 520ERVT. Its tight but doable.
3) Throttle tube: My main concern is that the throttle tube cant be bought separate from the whole throttle house. So a crash can be really expensive.
4) Tube: I’ve never trusted anything lightweight, running mousse. Heavy but gets the job done.
5) Side stand: I don’t have that problem when running 18”, didnt try with 19" wheels. Been parking it all over the place.
6) I have been running front and rear wheels from HQ TE300i -22 (in all of my videos) as well as a KTM EXC-F 250 -21 without problem, the spacers fit perfectly. I guess it depends on which kind of category of bike you take the wheels from? All of the bikes ive taken wheels from falls into the "enduro" category, are yours MX?
7: Manual: Yeah the manual is far from done, support is really good though even if its kind of annoying.
Enforcer Enduro, you also make the most awesome videos and I so appreciate your content as well. This response was outstanding for my information that I’m going to be needing when I get my bike.
Good job. There are so few people that are willing/able to make CZcams videos. Your feedback all seems very legit. Looking forward to more.
Thank you!
Videos like yours are super important to iron those details out! Thank you for making this!
Thank you! I appreciate that.
1000th subscriber here…CONGRATS 🎉🥳 and blown away by this footage…incredible!
Thank you!! Much appreciated.
Thank you for the honesty here. I love the idea of the bike and want one, but this is the stuff I was waiting to hear before I get one
Thanks!
And more importantly, thanks for the heads up on the issues, helpful for sure!
Thank you!
I am subscribing for exclusively Stark content haha Looking forward to your reviews and coverage
Thank you!;
I'm wanting a dualsport version, people are already talking about racing these motorcycles. I feel it's definitely the future, (quiet) (fast) (durable). I like riding wheelies as the neighbors don't complain anymore 😊
Its a wheelie bike for sure! Seen a few guys convert to supermoto. Not really my thing but its been done.
Phenomenal content !! Thanks for taking the time. If you can make a follow up video once Stark responds to most of your concerns.
On the tire touching situation, they suggested running a 47t rear or 13t front sprocket. On the tubes they said they are working to improve durability, on the sidestand they said they are reworking it. So hopefully they are just sorting these things out. The main bioe is incredible. Just a few oversights on parts that don't matter as much to work out. I would rather have my bike now than wait another year for these things to be sorted so glad they just released them.
Thanks for sharing! Def something to be fixed
Very well made video, can’t wait to start saving up for V2 of this bike!
Thank you! V1 is definitely worth buying! Bike is incredible. As with all bikes (except 97-00 Honda CRs they were the worst!) they always get better and better. Looking forward to future battery tech. No need for more power for sure. That's solved! These things are amazing. Suspension and chassis is amazing. Small improvement will definitely happen. Future smaller, lighter and longer lasting/faster charging batteries will happen and we will have sub-200# MX E-bikes. 😎
@@913outdoors do you know the maintenance interval on the battery and motor? I’m assuming it’s pretty much never but that the battery will eventually need to be replaced
@@andrewcarter215 Nothing in the manual about how long the battery will last but a new one really expensive. Probably cheaper than all the tanks of race gas you would use in that time though. Time will tell. I've never really kept a bike more than a few years.
@@913outdoors same, I go through so many. Looking like this will be the first new bike I buy!
The brake is fine for the modern way to run the levers. Renthal fatbars have a lot of control room if you want to change bend. Im taking the stand off my order, thanks!
Thank you for a very professional review.
Thank you for watching!!
Nice to see my number on a dirt bike 913 FTW.
Great video and information too, thanks.
Thank you! Great number 😎
That plug is an L14-30P and you need an L14-30R receptacle for your wall. There are many plugs that look close to the same, but that's what it says on your plug.
Thanks for the vid. Good to see some up close detail before mine comes in.
Looks like the phone mount is part of the bar caps :( I can't run my typical BRP bar cap handguard mounts for Cycra probend bar handguards. What brand phone is it? Wondering if I could get a different mount and just relocate it.
Thanks! Yeah on the bars... Good luck. Going to be limited on choices for sure. Make sure at least 195-200mm space for controls.
this video is actually huge, youve covered everything.
Thank you!
Good stuff with detail! It will be interesting on how quickly Stark reacts to these issues. Mine Varg is due in October. God bless you Beta testers!
I've been in contact with them reporting everything i see! They seem to be a very forward thinking company. Also, you are going to be blown away when you ride yours!! Its insane.
Yes I have emailed them with numerous questions and the support team is pretty much up front and responsive.@@913outdoors
Awesome everyman info ,
Many thnx
Thank you!
This is golden feedback!
Not sure if you are in Ohio but I just went through title and certificate of origin for a Storm Bee. As a person you can get a title at the title office without a notary stamp for the 1st transfer. This rule just changed June this year so most title offices will not know how to handle this. You also need a sales recipient that shows sales tax paid or you'll owe tax when the title is generated. I opted to contact my dealership and let them mail the title to me since I didn't want to deal with paying sales tax twice by accident.
Thanks for the effort of sharing your thoughts with us. Did you have the chance to test the drag-strip numbers? how long 0-60 on full power?
Only ridden in the dirt on MX tracks and woods. Probably have not gone faster than 40ish with the short jumpy stuff we have here. Its crazy fast though. A lot stronger than a 450.
I am dying to hear what the real world battery life is for "trail riding". I believe they claimed it's something like 6 hours.
They said up to 6 hours. Probably a casual ride at like 15hp setting would do that. Realistically if you set it to KTM 300 power levels which I'd say is equal to around the 48-50HP setting, you could probably get between 2-3 hours depending on the trail, how deep/sticky, amount of climbing, etc. We stop a lot in the trails so that factors in as well. No idling, etc.
Riding other electric bikes you should expect 150-250watt hours per mile on the hard enduro type riding I usually do.
Battery is rated to hold 6kwh, so expect 24 miles.
@@th3welfarewarrior Could be more or less. Too many factors to consider. Terrain, temperature, settings, etc.
@@913outdoors6 hours you would need to average less than 1.34hp, a bicycle would be quicker.
@@gilesgreenaway5655 Maybe they mean a downhill trail 🤣. Really I have no idea how they got to 6 hours. On the 10hp setting it will barely even move. But a lot of trail riding is downhill where you can catch some regen i guess. Write to Stark and ask them how to achieve 6 hours run time! With my average trail riding terrain and speed I think I could get 3 hours no problem. Probably not much more than that.
just some advice, thought the video would be warning against the bike..maybe title "Stark Varg. Best Bike, but here is what I don't like"
Good points. It should help them fine tune it. I love electric bikes. They literally do everything better. I wanted a Stark but decided to give up mx at my age, too risky now days for me. I though about it as a trail bike but decided too heavy for me. I'm riding an Electric Motion Escape and its the best bike I've ever seen for getting up through technical stuff, blows gas away. Also have the Beta 300 Xtrainer and its great but electric with no clutch makes you 10 times more confident and safe. When you want traction, control and grip, electric delivers it perfectly. Also just got the Ultra Bee and its pretty cool too, working on wheel sets atm. Have fun, bike looks amazing! I like to keep an open mind and when something works better thats all that matters. The Beta it nice but it stinks, is noisy, won't run right if it sits too long and had to chang the oil yesterday.. EME almost nothing, just charge it and ride quietly.
Sounds like a nice collection! The Stark should be a great trail machine for sure. I've only done MX on it so far. Need time for a trail day!
Cool very interesting feedback what I haven’t heard yet, thanks for that 😃👍🏼 I‘m a fan of both electric and gas 🤠
Does anyone know if they‘re planning to bring out a dualsport/ enduro version with license plate? That would be sick 😁
Dual sport with a huge battery would be cool. Just go for full XR650 weight and give it huge range!
@@913outdoors I like that idea 😁👍🏼
Great review on the Stark Varg! It's definitely an impressive bike but I can see how the design issues you mentioned might be concerning for some users. For anyone looking for an alternative with fewer design quirks, you might want to consider the 2023 AdmitJet Armor. This e-bike is capable of reaching speeds up to 80 MPH and offers a range of 100 miles on a single charge, all for less than $4000. Just a suggestion for those exploring their options! 👍🚴♂
nice try sares guy
EXCELLENT ! I have one on order but the more I think about it..... I will probably cancel . I LOVE MY BETA 430RR S! This still seems like an expensive toy.... great review!
Definitely keep your order! This bike makes ALL gas bikes feel outdated. Its a game changer! You will be really glad you got it. Worst case, you can resell it in like 30 seconds if you don't like it.
When you have the money. Stay in and sell it for more… the waiting is crazy so many guys will pay more…
Those are actually some crucial concerns. That kickstand looks like a ridiculous design. Thanks for sharing. Good to see they're actually getting out to customers.
take it off. it's a dirtbike
All very very minor issues
not with the price its fucking terrible. its fast rest is slapped together like cheap shit without thought lol@@bhutch7091
Useful info! To deal with the throttle, i would try changing the Brembo levers to 1-finger Midwest Mountain Engineering levers. They have a 2:1 compression ratio and are shorter which might help deal with limited mounting positions. For the kickstand.., untested idea: either 3D print a clip in “foot” to give an extra inch or weld on an aluminum tube to lengthen. For rubbing chain guide: get a thinner chain like the PRO TAPER PRO SERIES FORGED 520 MX SLIM ORING GOLD.
I like the Brembo levers. The throttle housing is the issue. Its full round! And very long as well. 360 rotation its all the same. No indent cor clearance. Stark say they are improving the kickstand. Hopefully they are going to replace these ones! For spacers, any machine shop can probably make them. I have yet to test the KTM Enduro rear wheels. I've only tested the MX rear 19" versions which are a bit different axle size.
@@913outdoors that looks like a Hirschman throttle and it is full round body. liked the Brembo levers as well. But then i discovered the MME levers and they are much nicer for 1-finger stopping. It’s easier on the bones for older guys :)
Very nice review. Im confused how you have so much knowledge with dirt bikes and have time to make a nice living. Im Jelly
I've been riding and working on dirt bikes for 35 years but I own a few watch companies to make a living. Dirt bikes are just for fun!
Hey there - great review - noticed some of the same bits with our Starks, and even noticed the small "self clearancing" issue with the triple and frame that you can see on your frame from the steering stop. Brought that to Stark's attention as well. I'm trying to figure out the default pairing PIN for bluetooth - do you know it by chance? Seems we lost connection and now we can't pair the phone to the bike at all.
Not sure on the pin. Hopefully Stark support can help fast!
@@913outdoors Me too - unfortunately Barcelona is +6 hours! Thanks for the reply - we should definitely compare notes.
Finally some really world, down to earth review. The issues seem managable though.
This bike could be the turning point in a new direction with new possibilities in the sport. Backyard dirt track anyone? 😅
Thanks! Yes all small things they will likely fix quickly and make this bike perfect! This is definitely the one that will make a huge impact on the sport! Assuming they can keep up with production!
Is the rear brake foot lever being on the left a option from the factory or is that just how it comes? That would be gnarly to get used to 😯
They offer a left side brake. Its on the bars. Clutch lever position.
May be Flip the Throttle wire downward could help, Surron Stock Throttle Body and a Flat Section to give way to the Brake Lever, not sure if Stark have similar measure to help
Throttle on these is full round at the end! Maybe someone will make an aftermarket electronic throttle with an indent for clearance.
Question. Since I will only do Enduro on this bike, I love the wraparound bar protectors. I think you were alluding to you didn’t install those because you would have to drill into these electronic throttle tube? I’m hopeful I can still install them as a tip over 20 miles away from the truck could be a problem.
You will definitely want to order an extra throttle befor you cut this one. The tube does not come out. Its $150 on Stark website. Its going to be difficult for wraparounds but with a wide bar and the right type should be possible.
@@913outdoors Do you know if the throttle tube is closed at the end?
…was thinking if so, I could slice off the end of the throttle tube to put the wedge fittings into the handlebar. I get your point though as there could be sensors or electronics that I slice.
@@21AirDrop It SHOULD be fine but would suck to cut it and not be able to ride it while waiting for who knows how long for a replacement throttle.
Good points
Interesting....you bring up some points nobody else has. Some bigger than others... I find the kickstand the biggest one, did they not use it in testing? Jeez.... I just paid for mine yesterday too, maybe I should ask them to delete that. The tax I didn't expect too, must be state tax as mine was lower than yours. As for the throttle, you could shave of the end to match your grip length & either run bar end caps or wrap around hand guards. then you can move your front brake lever. Bummer on the tube, I was looking forward to running them on my track set up. I already have 2 18" wheels for trails from my GG, we talked about this on FB. Glad to hear the suspension is nice, my GG is unforgiving on the track hahaha!
The throttle I don't want to mess with trimming becuase its not like a standard type throttle. Its all electronic and does not really come apart at all. So if you mess it up, you have to order a new one at $149 and who knows how long it will take for them to ship it. Also, I don't like wraparound giards or bar plugs. I feel the grip wrapped around the end has a lot lower chance for water and mud to get into the housing.
I thought, oh great another whiner, but all your points were legit. Great job speaking, keeping the flow, and not making a day of it. Hope Stark watches your vid. 👍🏼
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Note for European viewers. You wont have that outlet charging issue at 6:50. Here in Europe we all use the same outlet with the two rounded pins so you're good, the US uses their weird outlets hehe
That's good news!
Have you had any issues with your vcu? Mine hasn’t worked in weeks. The replacement was lost in the mail and I wonder if I’m the only one with this issue.
I have had no issues on mine. What happened to yours? Did it die while riding? That really stinks.
What were the engineers thinking when it came to chain adjustment? It’s been around for so many years so how do you mess that up? 🤷♂️
The adjuster itself is super cool. My guess is they shortened the swingarm length during development. Not sure.
I appreciate the video. I’m supposed to have mine in approximately three weeks and I’m down here in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I was also wondering about that additional $900 tax where are they getting this tax from and I’m and I’m probably going to get double taxed when I register it here in New Mexico. That would sure be frustrating if that’s the case.
That's what i'm wondering about the tax when i go to title it. Hope not!
im no expert but ive always understood that the tax is paid to the state where you get the vehicle titled when you get it titled. i think homeboy may have been lied to because if it was a tax then what state was the tax paid to? id dig into it with them because if its a tax theres a record. im not saying the $800 was paid for nothing but i think theyre just making up the tax thing as a blow off answer to his question because maybe they didnt know either. in any case id want to know exactly where that extra almost a thousand dollars is going
@@didickcheeseburger i'll find out this week when I go to the title office! They said bring in the MCO and they can look into it. Need to pay sales tax to title it. So crossing fingers.
Great detailed info. It's annoying that there's so many quirks. The stand is subpar and rear wheel should not be close to touching anything. BTW, some advice I didn't think id be giving: Never use tubes. Your ride quality will always be better tubeless.
I run tubeless on MTBs. I've tried Tubliss on dirtbikes and never had so many flat tires. Yet i'll run MTB tubes on my dirtbikes and never get a flat. But tubes are really heavy. I was excited about the Stark tubes since they are basically weightless. Still running the rear. No flat yet! The front lasted 30 minutes. Lol.
Thanks for the great vids, I just got mine last week (10/03/23). I was kind of bummed that it is almost a 2 year old (model yr) bike already. Yes, my MSO says it's a 2022 and here it is almost '24 ! Not a big deal except for if I ever go to sell it. it will seem older than it is... How about your bike ? '22 also ?
Thanks..
Thank you!!my MSO says 2024 model. I have one of the first ones here too. Strange!
@@913outdoors That is strange ? My 10th digit (in the VIN) is a "N" which means 2022. So I'm guessing your 10th (year check digit) is a "R" ?? (because they skip O and Q ) Can you please verify ? Thanks
@@jokerioafm12 my 10th digit is N but says 2024.
Odd...@@913outdoors
Great video.
Thank you!
Great detailed review, thank you! How has the battery life in real world use gone? I really think i want one but battery anxiety makes me hesitate 😅
Battery has been great. I'm done before the battery every time i've ridden it. If you go through more than a tank of gas on an MX bike then you may have to charge in between. I don't even bring a charger to the track and its good for my whole session.
@@913outdoors This is really reassuring thanks! I rarely go through a whole tank at the track so this should be good 👍 Do you have a recommendation for a charger to take to the track and how well they do, preferably not gas powered? Or is your battery experience that good that you don't have any info 😂
@@George35able They come with a charger you would just have to pick a generator. I have never took a charger to the track. I just bring a spare gas bike instead. Lol. But I have yet to need a charge before finishing a ride.
@@913outdoors Ok, makes sense, appreciate all of this info!
Yup... I think Engineers need to go through a (can you do maintenance on it without wanting to murder the designer) class at college.
Do you have to get another sim card/ cell phone connection? I have emailed stark with concerns about riding areas that do not have cell service, with no response.
You don't need cell service to ride. You can ride without the phone at all if you want.
I like this review situation
so the only real remarks (except for the tube and stand) is about aftermarket stuff?
Also tire clearance which you need to change gearing to fix. Stark is apparently now shipping the 18" wheel with 13T front sprocket so this issue should be eliminated. Great bike!
@@913outdoors Yeah but you didnt have that issue when you got it right? I thought it was after using a different sprocket? I havent got mine yet but im guessing that changing the gearing ratio isnt needed as much as with a normal bike right?
@@critical I had the issue STOCK. I swapped sprockets to fix it. Didn't like the 47T rear. Went back tot he stock 48T rear and swapped the stock 14T front for a KTM 13T front. You can feel a little difference when changing gearing but not as much as on a gas bike. The 13T feels better and gives a little tire clearance it needs.
@@913outdoors oh that’s crazy havent heard anyone with that issue. Alright i hope they improve on these things until i get mine 😅 i wont get it until june next year from what it said last time i checked 😞 happy to hear people love riding them at least :)
@@critical i'm sure by then all the little quirks will be sorted. The bike is amazing!
By the way, how much psi were you riding your bike with when you had the issue with the power tubes?
13.5. same as i always run for MX.
@@913outdoors ok because i asked stark what do they recommend because i had ordered some tubes and was wondering what they recommend. I usually ride 12.5 rear and 13.5 front on my bike but they said 14.5 psi both. Maybe that will help to respect that. I'll try and see if that help with duration.
I heard that 1 psi on a bike is like 10 psi in a car so it can be consider as a big difference.
@@mxriderdakar also 1psi can be a difference between guage readings. I run 13.5 in everything. This was my 1st flat in 20+ years.
On there website it say’s DDP and that means that the taxes are already paid in Usa canada, so they were not supposed to extra charge. Old invoice bill were just showing the amount, but after many updates on there website, they have added a small * saying excluding taxes and other fees.
Interesting. In Ohio, we pay sales tax to the title office, then receive the title. I've got an MCO, and they say the tax is paid. I'll find out what the title office says when I try to get it titled.
@@913outdoors by the way, very good review, you are the only one that gave the informations i was looking for.
The only one left will be battery life on the track i ride lol
Also i think they said if i am not wrong in a video wth all the advertising on how green the bike is that the bike will have an oil change every 100h, but in your video, you talked of 5h? Is it for the brake in or every 5h?
@@mxriderdakar Thank you! I appreciate that. The oil change is for break in. 75w90 Gear oil at 5 hours. Next service at 40hours or 12 months.
Dude thank you soo freaking much for this. I am removing the kickstand from my order. I am extremely disappointed in that.
Thank you for all the honest criticisms of this bike. No one had said anything bad up until now.
Best of wishes riding. I will get mine end of September.
By the way did you have to cut some links to make the O ring chain fit?
If it isn't too much trouble could you link me to the 47 tooth sprocket and chain you purchased for this bike?
Thank you! Overall, still the best bike i've ever ridden. Just a few easy things they need to sort out. For the chain, i was NOT able to fit an o-ring chain. The stock chain is fine. You just need to get a masterlink if you want to swap sprockets. Its an RK MXU chain. The rear sprocket just search for 19+ KTM/GG/HQV sprockets. They all fit. I also have some 13T KTM front sprockets i'm going to try. Power is a little softer with the 47T rear. Not much but a little bit.
i would cancel your pre-order my friend. this bike is an absolute disaster full of false promises. just a heads up
@@RogerT-kt3zd If you can give me some evidence and examples then I will gladly take your advice. (I don't mean that in a rude way, but in a "please explain yourself so I can learn" way haha)
@@RogerT-kt3zd Not at all! A few funny things here and there. Most fixable. But 100000% worth it! The bike is a dream to ride.
@@913outdoors that's what I'm thinking Haha, I've always hated the maintenance on gas bikes and I'm a pretty good rider but my one weakness is shifting gears and the fact that I always failed. Those problems will be in the past when I get this bike.
Maybe rotate the throttle housing so the brake adjuster knob corresponds with the recessed portion near where the wire comes out ?
How does it feel going around slow corners - do you notice the 260 lb weight ? I have one on schedule for delivery soon, but usage will be single track & the weight is an issue .. I think ?
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The throttle does not have a narrow side. So rotating it is no use for brake clearance. The bike always feels crazy light. Almost like a mountain bike! The only time you feel the weight is lifting it on the stand. On the track it feels lighter than my 125s. And zero vibration! Feels great going slower too. Just a super easy to ride bike. I'm anxious to get a real trail ride in.
@@913outdoors Do it ! & let us know how it handles stop/turn/go in tighter conditions.
Can you cut the end of the throttle tube, as if you were installing wrap around guards?@@913outdoors
Def need a range test!
Will ktm style “flag” hand guards work with the brembo levers?
Well.... Might fit the front brake lever but there is no clutch lever so I guess not. Range so far on my hardpack MX track set to 50hp i'm using about 1% per minute riding.
@@913outdoors
You have left hand rear brake?
On my alta I did & the ktm flags would bolt right on.
Mines supposed to ship in October. You do $20 per lap demos? 😂 I’m also in Ohio.
@@endurocox5467 ahh no I have the foot brake!
@@endurocox5467 What part of Ohio are you in?
No they wont fit, different kind of levers.
Nie zrozumialem . Z tyłu felga 19' ?
kickstands on a MX bike? hehe
What kind of riding do you do? (thinking about uptime and usage case).
bummer about the handlebar issue. I kinda expected aftermarket stuff to be very hit and miss because the bike was built new from the ground up (as opposed to adapting existing frames, etc.). Pro Tapers are one of the first things I'd do with every new bike since...hell...the early '90s.
That thing about the rear wheel adjustment is kinda funny (I agree with you; what's the point in half of the adjustment range if it cannot be used? could you even use it with an 18" rear wheel?). like you, I don't see the value in a chain that cannot be taken off easily.
This was great. the machine needs honest practical criticism for the everyday stuff.
You can run SOME protapers. Stock Husqvarna bend and SX race bend should work. Not sure any others will. The side stand is for woods riding! Not needed for MX.
On the rear adjustment, i'm running the 18" rear. Might be less issue with the 19" and a lower profile tire.
How long does the battery last at different power levels? There is no info on this at the moment….
I've found 50hp to be the sweet spot for MX. Getting about 1% per minute. Higher setting may use more battery but likely you may not really use all the power so maybe not. Electric power hits a lot different than gas and 50hp setting is close to 450 power levels in reality since a 450 only peaks around 57-60hp but the part you ride in most of the time is in the 40-50hp zone. I'm sure 30hp setting would last a bit longer but you would be in the throttle a lot harder as well. I was getting about 10-15% more range set at 40hp but 50hp setting is easier to ride on MX. I think on trails i'll likely set to 35-40hp and should probably get about 3 hours out of it.
@@913outdoors so you get about an hour and a half ish out of power level 3. So how long to charge?
@@BULZZixAGP charging is adjustable. I am using 80% power and takes about an hour.
as an electrician,i don't belive that outlet plate will be replace anytime soon XD
Needs a different box. Is what is is 🤣
a "few" issues. but there's something wrong with basically every inch of it... I'm glad you're happy and the bike is treating you well, but I must say, this looks bad for them.
Aside from the kickstand, everything else has been solved.
That throttle housing is upside down if you tweet it it will clear the brake lever no worries
Its the same all the way around. There is no notch like a cable rhrottle.
You did not mention anything on the weight? With real tubes and Dunlop tires it will be close to 270lbs
Are you able to hip the bike up on the tall Stark stand ?
Dunlops are heavy! I only run Michelins. Pounds lighter.
I can get it on the stand but its not as easy as a 450. Feels super light when riding though.
Do you use bar risers
No. The wires would need to be extended to run risers. They are super short. I am running Renthal 839 bars and it feels good now. A little taller bend than stock.
Thanks for the video, not sure I will take delivery after seeing these issues. Not worth the price!
Definitely take delivery! The bike is incredible. All new bikes have some issues. The Varg you don't even need to buy springs or revalve suspension for weight and such. It has a few things to do and some limitations like all new bikes. Definitely hold your order and take delivery! Worst case you can flip it and make a few Gs.
Are there any videos someone riding it in the woods or rocky enduro?
I've seen a few. I'm going to do one once I get to the trails as well.
@@913outdoors OK thank you. As I understand it, these do not have a clutch so I’m very curious how traction management will be in ze woods. 👍
@@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 incredibly easy to control traction! Throttle control is 10x smoother and easier than a gas bike.
Stark Varg has a bunch of vides on CZcams, idk if they recently added but they have a bunch of How To videos.
Yes! Those are awesome.
@@913outdoors Hey did you run into throttle cut off issues? I was mid ride and my varg just shut off. Had to pull over on the side and turn the bike on again.
@@kevinchon. I have not had that happen on mine.
Why didnt you get a longer chain?
I did! But it didn't fit through the chainguide. So just using a smaller sprocket for now. Also, a longer chain may not work out. Could be at the end of the adjustment. Have to test that still.
Good stuff. On the throttle could you maybe trim the end to have a better fit? I have had to donthisnon some aftermarket throtte tunes that were lomg. The bar marking issue doesn't bother me. I have had many bike where the marks were obscured by something lile a damper etc. Also back in the day bars didnt have marks.
Can't trim this throttle or even open it/remove the tube. Its all electronic.
cooling --need fan or water cooled battery ?? maybe tell them upgrade of heat issues ..low hp run hard ..
Cooling does not seem to be an issue. Barely even warm after riding an hour.
This bike would be described as an.... "almost"
Best advice, wait for V2.0
Is the issue with a 19 or an 18 wheel on?
Both 18 and 19. I have both of them. Clearance fix is run a 13T front sprocket. They are coming with this on the 18" wheel now. Sidestand is too short on either wheel size. Needs to be at least 1" longer to hold the bike stable on dirt.
@@913outdoors thank you for your info and time!
The marks for the chain adjustment are for smaller wheels…
Just FYI, KTM 2022 and 2023 wheels are different from each other and not perfect swaps even with KTM models, even of the same year. I had to buy certain KTM spacers and axle seals to make everything work with my KTM Factory DID wheels and stock ones. A bit tricky.
True! That's right I had Dubya send me spacers for my custom wheels I had on my 19 to swap to the 23. I've got 2019 SXF wheels, 2020 xcfw wheels and 23 sxf wheels. Hoping to get one of the 19" wheels I have to work. Someone said the 20 xcfw/FE wheel works but i've already got the 18" so won't matter. I did order a rear stark 19" wheel/tire set for $395 from them. Hard to beat that really.
That sucks
@@bob15479 good news is the wheels with mounted tire, tube and rim lock from Stark are only $400! I got both 18 and 19.
People get confused on the sales tax and registration. If you bought a television you would not get a title would you? It should state on the invoice though that it is tax so if you live in a state where you can title and register they don't try to.double dip on you.
Rotate the throttle so that the wire is on the bottom and you will have clearance for the brake lever. Comes from factory with the wire on bottom.
I wish that would make a difference. Its the same all the way around. Not a cable throttle. I tried! Mine came how I have it as well. I did try moving it but there is no point where its any more clearance.
What happen when you ran extrem enduro in the canals full of water..?
You can ride it underwater.
@@913outdoors We whell see when pass some time!😅
@@igordevalentinis725 I mean, i'm not trying to test that 🤣. But its been done. No intake or exhaust to fill with water. Maybe a slight electrocution risk. Lol.
Looks like the footpegs still only fold straight up, and not up and back on an angle like all other bikes. This will result in broken feet and footpegs.
No they fold normal. Maybe a little less back than others but enough for sure. Footpegs are really nice too!
Wow. I would have thought that Stark Enterprises would make a better product with none of these problems. I mean I’m sure that Ironmans suit was way more difficult to make and get to function properly. That sort of money you’d be expecting a work of art with no issues. This seems like it’s a bitza that some mates thought would be fun to throw together in the garage after a drink session. At this price point I don’t think it’s acceptable.
Haha i love it. Actually the bike is absolutely dialed!! Just a few dumb issues that can be easily solved in future production. Nothing that would prevent me from buying another. I'm actually thinking about selling a KTM or 2 and ordering a 2nd Varg!
@@913outdoors I suppose. KTM have been using its customers as RND for years. I’m one of their lab rats and have been for over 15 years. It just pisses me off that with everything going up these days companies have the nerve to release a product that isn’t quite as it should be. All the problems you listed seem to be easily avoided with the sourcing of some better and more suited parts or making their own. I understand they are new but still shouldn’t expect the customers to cop it. KTM are the same. Keep raising prices and giving less and less each year. I got sick of this 2 years ago and swapped to a Gas Gas. In Australia they are about 2 grand cheaper even though it’s the same bike, owned by the same company just in a different colour. The world has really gone mad.
@@gonyg5316 its its a little bit unfinished. Hopefully they will sort it out. I have had KTMs since 2005. You are right. Less and less. Not even a manual kr tool kit anymore with my 23!
Varg Engineers messed it up.... 🤣
Btw a spare battery is nearly $8k…. For a measly 35 minutes at race pace…
Not really something you can swap at the track anyways. Pro riders will get 35 minutes on a deep track. I get about 1.5 hours at vet pace 😎. You can charge between motos as well.
If you burn a full tank of gas on a 450 in one moto like the pros do, then you will get 35 minutes on a full charge. I usually burn a half tank of gas on my 350 in a day riding. So perfect for someone like me.
You're missing the point... the cost and limited ride time of the Varg battery as well as the poor quality control and near total lack of customer support is an automatic deal breaker... should Stark be around in 2 years I'll give it another look
. Considering the hassle of installing a spare battery trackside means your ride time is limited to @1 hour...meaning the $50.00 you spent on track admission adds to your financial head scratching ...But like all EVs, 2 or 4 wheeled, they are relegated to a secondary role and nearly void of any practical use as a primary vehicle.. except for bragging at the local pub.. but in real world terms, they are an answer to a non existent question.. and once the novelty wears off, the Varq, like ll other EVs, represent a very poor value for the money
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@@BERZERKERSV4 No need to swap batteries at the track. These bikes are probably the highest quality bike you can buy right now. Its not going to replace your gas bike for long rides with need to recharge but its an amazing addition! Its better than you think. I have yet to need to recharge before i'm worn out. Lol. The bike's battery lasts longer than I do 😎
Several years ago I attended a test ride for the Alta..great idea but poor execution...thus why Alta is on the ever increasing EV dead pile, Varq may have excellent quality in the manufacturing and procurement of parts... but the lack of attention to detail during the assembly process screams rank amatuer... maybe your Stark was the exception but as a potential buyer we all appreciate your blunt evaluation. BTW, I own a Tesla for several years now and through several Florida hurricanes.... never again..
All EV manufacturers should de emphasize BS numbers like "80 hp, 0-60 times or 1000 horsepower " as their primary marketing points, which, again in the real world are meaningless. Focus on the real world range, parts affordability, dealer support and network.. Any AMA 450 Pro will tell you that 80 HP is unusable...and that 60 is about the limit.. just like my KTM 300XC
Good luck
Why are your numbers backwards?
Mirror image! Lol. Camera upside down I guess.
Fwd adjustments are for supermoto setup
Could be! Good call.
How much of the subscription model features are locked out if you don't pay$$ every month? mapping throttle control, traction control.. Very awesome bike, its just sub model is a no for me. If the batteries get liter and longer life...will consider 2nd or 3rd model.. There is a new law in EU that all battery items have to be replaceable, so there will be some big changes coming in the next couple years.
No subscription at all.
Feels like these problems are caused by being a first gen bike. Like we are used to bikes being really thought through from like ktm or yamaha but they have couple generations of bikes under their belts.
For sure. Luckily its just small things like this and the bike is super dialed! This is the first bike i've ever bought that was set up for my weight exactly. Sag was even set correctly right out of the box! I was amazed. They really fine tuned all the major things and the small stuff was maybe just rushed a bit. Nothing dealbreaking for sure. I want to buy a 2nd one!
This is the kind of review we all were waiting!!! Still impressed with this 1st model!
What are your thoughts about battery range?
Thanks for the honest review!
Thank you! The battery will outlast me for sure! At least on the MX track. For trails....we will see! Have not had a chance yet. Soon! Its about the same range as a tank of gas on my 350. I never bring extra gas to the track so it should be great for me. On my hardpack MX track I am seeing about 1% per minute.
I don't see how this is NOT going to dominate very soon.
Everyone that has ridden it was blown away.
We need Doug DeMuro to get into a Starg Varg.
Too many quirks and features 🤣
I don’t have this plug in my country 😢 huh
I'm sure there is an adapter or you can wire it in. Order one from Amazon probably and have an electrician install it.
Ktm will eventually get one right
I'll be first in line! I love my KTMs 😎
Going to have to figure out how to deal with the fact you can't hear them when on track. Very dangerous situation.
Need horns on these things for passing!
needs bluetooth ear buds to provide the Brraaaap when applying the throttle
Lol! Would be cool actually.
For a bike with this price everything should be perfect!
I've come to expect some issues on all bikes but the sidestand and chainlength/sprocket size/tire clearance should have been sorted out for sure. And the tubes.
It costs the same as a new KTM and it’s a first year, ground up design?! This guy, and almost everyone else who’s ridden it say it’s the best bike they’ve ever ridden. Jeez man, what the heck else do you want?
You ask too much. This was a ground up design and the first edition of their first model. What they've done is incredible. Swedes are flexing for sure.
@@mrichter4681 Agree. I'm very happy with it despite a few small flaws. No bike is perfect. They hit a home run with this one!
It typically is but if you’re wanting to take a perfect bike and start changing shit on it why make it perfect at all? Typical consumers want to add aftermarket shit to everything they get regardless if it works perfect as it comes.
All legitimate complaints.
To change the oil just take the oval shaped cover off and you get to see the gears in there too.
913 is my number too
Getting a longer chain or adding a couple links would have solved your tire issue. Also you said the front tire hits the swing arm....believe you meant front of the back tire. Also, is that the stock tire? 18" rim? Looks like quite a tall sidewall, but i could be wrong....mine's due in Oct. Your complaints, although thorough, are really nbd.....like you're looking for something to complain about. But i guess thanks for the info🤷♂️
Meant the front of the rear tire. Issue is why is like this from the factory? Yes a longer chain can solve that (may be back too far with one link i'm not sure). But it was rubbing the mudguard in the CENTER of the adjustment range. 13T front or 47T rear solves it. Stark only sells a 48t and 49t option. KTM aftermarket sprockets fit. Stock the 18" is a 120/100 tire. I think a 120/90 or 110/100 probably would work better with the whole arrangement. These are all issues i'm sure they will sort out quickly but things I noted and wanted to share. The throttle length and kickstand length are my biggest gripes. I tried a few different bars and none had long enough control length to fit the front brake. You will see when you get yours the throttle housing design is really in the way of the brake.
And yes its the stock rear tire. Right out of the box it was rubbing.
BTW you are going to love this bike! Its absolutely amazing to ride. I'm really attached to my gas bikes but not sure they will get much riding time now. Lol. Its REALLY good.
Man my big gripe would be no clutch and no gears equals no singletrack 🤷
Opposite. Its insanely easy to ride slow stuff! No clutch or gears needed. Instant "clutch drop" power available at any speed yet crazy smooth power control. Can't stall! Might be the best singletrack bike ever made! Still has a more moto focused suspension but the drivetrain is perfection!
Not excusing them, but seems easy why most of these things are the way they are. Rookie moves by Stark and you.
Original spec for 19” tire is the problem with both the chain and part of the kickstand. 18” wheel/tire in general is higher volume, getting it too close to the mud guard without an extra link. This also makes the kickstand slightly too short. Rivit links are very commonplace these days. High HP, racing and off-road applications they’re safer.
The other part of the kickstand problem is the little barrel where the moon cams over. KTM also does this on EXC models for the street. It is a safety feature so you can’t ride away with the kickstand down. Remove the little barrel thing and maybe install a short bolt and it will lock in place like the KTM XC models. I actually have a video on this.
ODI will have lock-ons for these things with a shorter tube in no time being is the best selling dirtbike model in history. The Brembo knob and control space has been a problem on KTM EXC clutch side since they switched from Magura. I actually prefer the brake (and clutch lever how Stark has it set up, but I can see how you might not. Even Jett rides with the levers this way, so you know it’s guaranteed to make you faster 🤣
Ebikes have a little more girth and hug the ground better, so running a couple more PSI in the tires is helpful. Not much different than a big dual sport or a supermini where the wheels are smaller. All these applications run higher pressures.
Definitely won't be lock ons unless they make it go over the existing throttle tube. The throttle does not come apart. Meaning the throttle tube does not come out. Its locked together! I like the lever position but the long throttle tube makes the space from the end of the bar to the lever too long for most bars. By about 15mm! Also the throttle housing being 100% round with no indent clearance for the lever makes it worse. They should have a longer kickstand for the 18" wheel option. Its going to be more common to order an 18 and kickstand vs a 19 and kickstand right? 19" is MX spec. 18" is offeoad spec where people wants and need a kickstand. Not really needed or wanted for MX. The tubes definitely hoping the work them out. They are so light!! I'd love to run them. I just saw another video a guy popped the front on the 1st ride as well.
@@913outdoors yeah, once again not letting them off the hook. Correct, the kickstand should have been speced for a 18". That was an oversight.
Throttle must come apart somehow? How else does it clamp to the handlebar?
@@JohnHowerton137 Wish i could post a picture here! There is a set screw to lock it to the bars. There are 2 screws that hold the housing together like a normal throttle but they are security screws. The kind no tool other than a drill can remove.
@@913outdoors you could post a link to a free image upload/download site?
Is it a Domino throttle? Possibly the same one as the KTM SXE? I can't really research... doing a bicycle ride at the moment 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 shoot me an email! wis913@yahoo.com. i'll send you pics. Its not a cable throttle. Its all electronic.
Twist the throttle body 90 degrees forward and the break leaver will clear it, but I will be changing mine to a cable-operated hall throttle body, and then use any bike throttle you like, look on the endless-sphere forum, many others do this mode as it's safer on the trail.
The Varg throttle housing is 100% round. No indent at all. No cables.