"Pronouncing Asian Names"
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2019
- This is a short segment from an introductory class on race and culture that is taught by Dr. Sam Richards at Penn State University. Today's video comes from the twenty-fourth class on April 4, 2019: • Our Future is Asian - ...
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i feel bad for the people having to pronounce their names over and over again. its annoying and embarassing.
Ikr 😔
Most Chinese/Korean surnames are a single syllable. Japanese people tend to have longer surnames, that's one way to try to differentiate between them.
Also Korean is Kim, Sung, etc.
Ur saying as one of the Koreans surnames is namgoong lmao
@@faeyee super duper rare. like, ultramega rare. one in millions.
I got all of there last names and I got some of the country's mainly from last names but I got some from first name.
@@joonpakexactly, Chinese surnames have double character surnames too but most people never meet one. Zhuge, Shangguan, Ouyang, etc.
I personally just know one Ouyang
am i the only one that finds this slightly offensive?
Joanne Seo this video is very weird and to me kind of cringeworthy
Also he sees these people as someone from x country, instead of someone who could be (in this instance) american. Someone might be asian but only have lived in america, spoken english all their life and feel amercian only to be seen as an asian by this dude
I feel so awkward watching this. God if I was in this situation, I would cringe.
Your not the only one 😐
Markus Staael true, it feels like the professor is alienating and putting a divide between east asians with romanized and the rest of the class. i think it would be worse if the students are assimilating, but this professor is grouping and putting them on the spot by portraying them as “exotic”.
chinese names are mostly neutral in gender, and secondly most chinese names are completely unique, the romanization of chinese characters means that there is many characters with the same spelling
Not sure what the point of this lecture is by this professor. Though this guy needs to be a bit more clear on his intentions.
Dear Asians. Do not use an English name if non-Asians can't take the time to say your given name. I think the professor can do better than teaching the students about identifying family names, what Asian country it is from, and or gender. Most importantly, I think this professor should challenge the students more on why Americans do not take the time to learn to pronounce Asian names which so many Asians resort to having an English name as a backup. The professor lost some cool points when asking the Asian student to pronounce the white student's name. It should be the other way around, he should have made them repeat each Asian person's name until they got it correctly. I hope the non-Asians students in that lecture room realize how important it is to learn Asian names besides the family name and whether by looking at a name if it is male or female. If you can say Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky for your studies, I think it is not difficult to learn the Asian names of the person sitting next to you in class.
Maybe he teach about Asia
There’s literally nothing wrong with this, each language has its’ own unique sounds that are made with our tongues, in different languages. It’s impossible to learn the sounds of each language and how to pronounce their names unless you are familiar with that language. I’ve studied Japanese therefore I’m able to pronounce Japanese names with ease. I can’t speak Chinese therefore I’m not able to pronounce Chinese names, it’s that simple. Americans (including people from different origins who grew up here in some part of their life) are usually offended when someone mispronounces their name, as if in an instant you were supposed to make noises with your mouth that you never heard before lol doesn’t make any sense. At the end of the day you’re going to pronounce whatever name that is foreign as close as you can in your native tongue.
???? Why the fuk isit wrong for Asians to pronounce white names? I’m Chinese and I fo sure can’t pronounce some white names . Like the last guy Andrew pajemski???
This professor needs someone to teach quick overviews of pronunciations for "Chinese"/Japanese/Korean/etc. Maybe get a linguist to teach IPA while they're at it.
The Asian kids were also pretty close when pronouncing the professor/white kid's name, yet the professor said it was "not even close". However, none of the white kids, not even the professor (who thought he got it "close") ever got close. (Except for the name of that one Chinese guy Li Jianzhang who didn't even bother trying to read his own name in Mandarin and just went with a generic English pronunciation).
He was indirectly teaching about tolerance. When people of different ethnicities butcher one's name, one shouldn't be so uptight. Just appreciate their effort.
10:14 what she did was awesome hahahahhaha
Its a very common thing for Asians.. A lot of younger Asians were born and raised here and never even been to their parent's home country. So when they get asked "where are you from", of course they are going to say the state/city they are from.. When you ask white people "where are you from", you are not expecting them to say "Ireland/Norway" and etc..
@@DragonRider520 I know... that's why I said it's awesome how she responded cuz obviously that professor meant something else
@@saralah5507 Ya.. I used to tell people the state/city I'm from when they ask me "where are you from".. But 80% of the time, they are referring to my ethnicity. So now I usually just respond with "China/Chinese"... But the few times where they are actually asking for the city I'm from, then it becomes a bit awkward lol..
@@DragonRider520 ah yeah I understand it gets confusing then hah
luckily they dont have indonesian or malay people there
For the Chinese ethnicity, if Prof picked some from Hong Kong, Macao, Malaysia, Singapore...they would find it interesting to see there are many ways of spelling Chinese names
3:50 dude that girl was looking so offended by that whole thing, l totally feel the same
This professor says he has a number of students with the Chinese girl’s name. How can he know that by just looking at the pinyin?
Yeah he is lying because when I worked in China the student roster always indicated whether it was a male or female because Chinese names are gender neutral most of the time
Tony Stark no they are mostly not. I can figure out what their gender is just by looking at the pinyin and read it a few times and 70% of the time I can get it right. If provided with characters then more than 80% of the names clearly indicate gender, even though there are some people use names of the opposite gender( i.e a name majority of Chinese would consider male and is used by a girl). Only a small percentage of names is gender-neutral, such as my own original name (I use Joseph just to ensure people don’t get my gender wrong and it’s not my original name)
@@shuangliang9800 you can clearly see in the video that he can't even pronounce pinyin. How exactly is he suppose to know what characters these pinyin sounds are connected to? The family name may be Raffy to figure out but their given names are more difficult.
@@clive7394 because you're not going to call your daughter strong rock or your son beautiful butterfly...
What is the point of this? Just asking as a korean who live in germany.
where is you family from is so annoying to be asked. im korean american, if you ask me where im from i will answer virginia.
literally when i saw Kim young Joon i just thought of Kim namjoon, bts army's would know what i'm saying
ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
lol me too
:/
hahhhah
Me too 😀
This professor needs to educate himself tbh
So what was the point of the excercise? Where is the teacher getting at.
For Americans to learn. Otherwise, they won't know.
I literally saw Korean names and was like I know koreans 😂😅
This is the last time these students attending his class
i've seen some of the other lectures from this class, some have been very educational and made me proud of my country (South Korea). this one, however, kind of missed the mark. i understand that you're trying to differentiate between different Asian names and countries, but you ended up basically making Asian students pronounce their names over and over again and allow their fellow white/other non-Asian classmates to laugh at them. it doesn't really feel like cultural appreciation, more like you're putting them on display. i especially didn't enjoy the part where everyone (including you, the professor) burst out laughing or chuckled at the girl who said she was from Rhode Island. a lot of Asian people were born and raised in the US, and you basically asked her where she's REALLY from...which essentially others her and is a question a lot of Asian-Americans get as a way to make them feel like they can never truly belong in the US. i suggest you read this comment and take note for future lectures.
Have to remember we do not know the course work, did not see the full class or the ones leading up to this. So just from what we see it comes across as he is making fun of them and embarrassing them. I will not presume that is what is going on since I have only part of the story.
Yeah I've watched loads of his lectures he does this with all of the class. He's a good professor. Like I feel like it is unfair for people to not watch it in context and assume he is being rude. All of the people there volunteered and he does ot only to get students to engage more
Ngl not a big fan of this. While I appreciate his enthusiasm teaching about 'Asia' the way this is done really makes me doubt how much research he even does. I've seen some of his other classes and he actually doesn't really seem to know the subject well and sounds pretty ignorant talking about 'the Asians'. I hate how he picked out his students like that, did he even ask them in advance??? My mum's Taiwanese and I'm generally interested in East Asian culture but that's kinda disrespectful the way he tackles the matter. I know my boundaries, before I speak as someone who's not very familiar with the subject I asked the actual people that I want to talk for and learn from them, letting them speak for themselves.
i need my class to be like this . i really enjoy more discussion more than a professor who doesn't really show up in class and just give you a pass on the subject😅
Why do they keep cutting from the speakers to the audience?
I really wasn’t sure of the intention of this lesson. Since it is being recorded and put on CZcams, I think the intention should be clear.
Personally I thought it was offensive to ask where each person was from. Rather then saying China, he could have asked about their ethnicity and said Chinese.
nah that's Americans' problem due to racism, in all other countries it's ok to ask and people won't feel offended, I noticed a lot of Asian Americans have that problem when I asked, even though I have an Eastern Asian face, my advice is don't be so sensitive(and I bet a lot of them are gonna say I know nothing about Asian Americans and American society smh)
The guy in the nasa t shirt rock
Dude I’d go to this class. But I dropped out cuz my classes were boring so the interest wasn’t there
It would be great if therewere some more south asian names to
Lyu Jinwei appears to have modified his surname from Lü to Lyu because ü doesn’t exist in English and is unpronounceable for most anglophones. He changed it to Lyu so that it doesn’t become Lu which is completely different from Lü
Yerie Namgoong didn't say which was her last name and which was her first.
Namgoong(南宮) is the family name
To be honest while this seems incredibly weird Americans really don't know this stuff and this is a very simple way of introducing it to them in a way they could understand
I think Japanese names are the easiest names to pronounce, out of all the Far-East Asian languages. The words look like how they appear.
exactly lol.
Why there is no south Asian names ...?
My ex name is Minh, but girls could also be called Minh in Vietnam.
If Indians watch this :-
Okay so if West(USA) is Prince & South-East Asia(S.Korea) is King..
Then South Asia(India) is GOD !!
India itself is a small diverse WORLD !!
11:12 really contemplating life choices
In Vietnam the "h" sounds "w"
No
I think if you can't pronounce a name it's more from unfamiliarity rather than racism. My name is Ana and people sometimes arent familiar with other ways to pronounce Ana. It's pronounced Anna like in Frozen when in Mexico (where I'm from) and it's just I have to be aware of what the exposure is of my name to people in certain areas of the world. It's not really fair to expect people to know how to pronounce all kinds of names...and then to assume a person is that nationality based on their name. Your name could be He Yu Qi and you're Asian but you identify as an American rather than Chinese.
What would be racist is to say these were all Chinese names...and the students didn't do that...altho they did say "none of them look Korean" which seems like there was a bit of ignorance/unconcious bias there.
....this professor asking to hear swear words and asking student where they are “from”. Pretty narrow minded.
In Europe it’s also last name first ,
Where in Europe?
@@signejacobsen4633 According to some random map on Quora it seems that Hungary is the only country in Europe with that structure
@@putumban7738 oh, nice to know. I'm from Denmark and I've never heard about that before.
Yuni
Myanmar's names don't have family name.
Can you explain it a little more because I know almost nothing about Myanmar. But I do know that my last name, Thang, is pretty common🤷♀️
But I have a student, she said her family name was Tay...from Myanmar
this video's much less insulting compared to the other one
5:14 Qi Yu He but he said He Yuqi, backwards order. Who transcribed their name for the board? the order of the first name is not correct on the board (should be Yu Qi He, or Yuqi He if we place surname last)
8:59 again, written on the board as Ling Pei Gao, but pronounced Gao Peiling, backwards order. Who re-ordered their names? You can't get it right like this (should be Pei Ling Gao, or Peiling Gao if we place surname last)
9:54 I guessed Thai lol, not far off. Also name order was wrong. I'm guessing this is intentional at this point just to throw the people off.
14:03 "That's passable but that's not close" bruh, you say _your_ pronunciation of _their_ (the Asian folks') names was close when it was so off, but these guys were super close (just a change from fricative to affricate, Andrew [pʰɚ(ɹ).ʒɛm.ski] to [pʰɚ(ɹ).d͡ʒɛm.ski]) and you say it's not even close?
When I saw Qi Yu He I was picturing the name as 何雨绮 and expecting one of the girls to be her. But 何玉奇 (probably?) as a guy is cool too.
only Asians can differentiate.. I guess
east asia maybe can distinguish, but malay people can’t
@@gorgeousg7296 not all malay i guess.
I can differentiate most of them except for the Laotian name...I thought the name was from Thailand
oh shit kim jong un
I loved this! This just proves y’all are pronouncing wrong
Don't try to speak words romanized to English for the Korean or Chinese language
It's not Kim, It's not Lee, it's not Park
Kim is pronounced with a hard g in the beginning
Lee is pronounced where L is silent
Park is pronounced like this B-ah-k
Thiz izt Eazth Azhian Mazhorithy.
Asians are not just just these countries or these names
The prc gal with big nehneh has a nice name.
Has nice nehneh
With all the L’s and R’s in my name they wouldn’t not have been able to say it or got tongue tied (I mean the Korean/Asian kids )
9:00 Ling Pei can get it.
And ...?
The professor communication skills sucks 🙄
What’s the point of this???
this presentation to do something as funny.. but not at all . just to see people do accent deliberately to make laugh other people.