Gangaputra Bhishma - Nilesh Oak in conversation with Mad Nomad

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  • čas přidán 23. 08. 2021
  • 21 August 2021

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  • @myna2mac
    @myna2mac Před 8 měsíci

    Nilesh ji, may god bless you with health and energy to continue your work…and above all, your nuanced thinking is greatly appreciated.

  • @mp1desai
    @mp1desai Před 2 lety +18

    One point of view to consider in understanding Bheeshma ! As mentioned, he was a cursed Vasu. As a Vasu he was Prabhasa. According to Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Prabhasa represents the Akash . Akash is that in which everything else exists , such as wind, fire, water, earth , sun , moon and the stars. So, as a Taatva when Akaash is disobedient to the laws of Paramatma, it pollutes everything else. In order for Dharma to be established all that have contributed to the decline of Dharma have to undergo spiritual refinement. Aakash has to purge itself from its disqualifying tendencies. This was the purpose of Bheeshma's life. The purpose of a cursed individual's life is to suffer all the consequences of all his decisions and actions, stay true to himself and spiritually evolve again to the pre-cursed stage. Hence, many contradictions may appear in his life to an observer, but, for that person , his only mission of life is to regain its original status. Bheeshma's life demonstrates this. Many contradictions but on his Banshaiya, he gives Yudhishthira the Vishnusahasra namavali and Lord Krishna Himself gives him a bow. In a very odd way Bheeshma had aided Krishna.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +9

      Thank you.
      Very good inputs, insights, and additional relevant information.

  • @rsbbpt
    @rsbbpt Před 2 lety +9

    Pure joy watching and listening to the wisdom of Shri Nilesh Oak!..Also good questions asked which added to the richness of the talk! My regards and respect to Shri Nilesh Oak 🙏.

  • @The_206
    @The_206 Před 2 lety +4

    Shri Gangaputra Bheeshma is an unbelievable character. Ever since I read the book महाभारतावरील व्याख्याने by बाळशास्त्री हरदास , I became tremendous fan of Shri Bheeshma. Sure, he had his defects; but if Shri Krishna Himself says to Shri Yudhisthir to seek Bheeshma’s knowledge, then there is no argument at all on what may have been the stature and character of this great गंगा पुत्र 🙏🏻🙏🏻
    Thank you Shri Nilesh ji for your excellent contribution towards the true इतिहास of भारत वर्ष 👍🏻

  • @Samp50
    @Samp50 Před 2 lety +12

    Nilesh ji Bhishma's reductionist approach as you call it, is the foundation of the beuraucracy in a democracy. Whosoever forms the government they serve with loyalty.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +10

      True. Good insight and observation.

  • @hemantthakre7239
    @hemantthakre7239 Před 2 lety +8

    Pitamah Bhishma said to Draupadi in Sabha Parva,बलवंशच यथा धर्म लोके पश्यति पुरुष: । स धर्मो धर्मवेलायाम भवत्यभीहत: पर: ।। It is the strong person who dictates dharm even if it is wrong,and a weaker person who is right in dharma will suffer.

  • @vanhannu
    @vanhannu Před 2 lety +2

    Wonderful discussion by my genius brother Nilesh

  • @rethis7331
    @rethis7331 Před 2 lety +4

    Commendable Explanation...par excellent...🌹🙏🌹

  • @sublimerafi
    @sublimerafi Před 2 lety +2

    yes really enjoyed

  • @saibaba3464
    @saibaba3464 Před 2 lety +2

    Sir,
    As u concluded definitely as a audience thoroughly enjoyed.
    Actually, it is more than that, helps in knowledge sharing, awareness about hidden concepts/dharma, provoke inner urge to study our greate epics etc....
    Kindly do bring more n more of these kinds of conversation n analysis of our Sanatan Dharma, Mahabharata, Ramayana, so that it will ignite n keep our heart n brain truly involved in n know about rich culture, itihas and Hindu samskar.
    🙏🙏🙏 Thanks a Ton.
    U know, after viewing ur discussions about Shrimad Bhagavat Geeta, I started reading, reciting n understanding it as a daily routine ritual. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @siddannagullyal7
    @siddannagullyal7 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks a lot to both of you.

  • @ashishpatel350
    @ashishpatel350 Před 2 lety +3

    great work.

  • @sowjanyar628
    @sowjanyar628 Před 2 lety +3

    Waiting for the session

  • @shrirangbondale8711
    @shrirangbondale8711 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks

  • @sureshparikhful
    @sureshparikhful Před 2 lety +3

    Stochastic effect.

  • @SrimanArcharyaJBC
    @SrimanArcharyaJBC Před 2 lety +2

    Indian Hindus must understand that they are pure ancient race as we only caste breed and marry. 🕉🔺➕

  • @aratikakarmath4446
    @aratikakarmath4446 Před 2 lety +1

    Even Nilesh sir, pitamaha Bhishma was a son of River Ganga, one element from 5 water. Like these elements or for that matter any natural entity has a certain way of behavior, like water evaporates or vice versa becomes ice in certain temperature, rather it's right for related environment or wrong in that situation, that acts according to it's nature or dharma. So Devvrat took his oath as dharma or he miss interpreted his own oath as dharma or in dilemma that people should not take his actions as self-driven.

  • @diptanshugautam5661
    @diptanshugautam5661 Před 2 lety +2

    Namaste Nilesh Sir,
    I saw a lecture of yours where you conclusively proved that Surya Siddhant was written in or around 12000BC. I am unable to find your paper on the same. I would like to read more on the subject. Please will you guide me to the paper.
    Thanks in advance.

  • @rohan.....
    @rohan..... Před 2 lety

    Nileshji, I am your grear admirer and watched almost all your studies n show.
    Recently you have started naming Savarkar, also in this show. Savarkar wrote a letter to Britishers to release him and he will not do any antibritish activities in those days and his or rss involvement was there in Our Mahatma Ghandhiji. So please avoid such person's name in your discussion.
    I repeat, your work on Ramayan through constellation is absolutely commendable and truly extraordinary.
    You don't require any controversial characters like savarkar to reach out current indian govt to recognise you or your work.
    You are the gem with your research.
    शनैः पन्थाः शनैः कन्था शनैः पर्वतमस्तके ।
    शनैर्विद्या शनैर्वित्तं पञ्चैतानि शनैः शनैः ॥
    Thank you 🙏🇮🇳💐

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +9

      Thank you.
      And thank you for your admiration and your Tapasya to go deep into my research works. 🙏🙏
      I must clarify the following:
      1. My mentioning of Swatranyaveer Savarkar is neither a recent phenomenon nor driven by any desire to reach the current Indian government.
      2. I am a Swayamsevak of RSS. I started my journey with RSS when I was very young and I was Shakha-Pramukha for 2 Shakhas for 3 years when I was in high school. I was the youngest participant at RSS meet in Pune at Talajai in 1982. (some 55,000+ Swayamsevak from Maharashtra Pranta attended)
      3. I studied Savarkar from childhood and my relatives have helped Savarkar family members when British or leaders of Indian Congress did not bother to do anything for the family members when Savarkar was in the prison.
      4. I volunteered in my small ways during the fund collection for 'Savarkar movie' in the late 1980s.
      5. Savarkar's writings are fascinating and a source of constant inspiration and pride for me and ought to be for all Indians and humanity. My British friends who are into Indian history talk of Savarkar with great respect and admiration.
      6 You are correct in stating that Savarkar is controversial, as are all original thinkers. As you may be aware, that my work which you admire so much is been downplayed by many decorated and not so decorated Indic researchers. Nyayadarahana describes in detail the reasons for such behavior or character stamping.
      7. I admire Swatratyaveer Savarkar as much as I admire Mahatma Gandhi. Both did original things and both had their limitations.
      Warm regards,
      Nilesh Oak

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you for the beautiful gem:
      शनैः पन्थाः शनैः कन्था शनैः पर्वतमस्तके ।
      शनैर्विद्या शनैर्वित्तं पञ्चैतानि शनैः शनैः ॥

    • @rohan.....
      @rohan..... Před 2 lety +1

      @@NileshOak Thank you for sharing fruitful and rootful insights Nileshji. :)
      My thoughts were generated by current circumstances/events happening in our country.
      Respect for you is increased and will continue to learn ancient indian culture from your findings.
      Thank you 🙏💐

    • @ganeshbalasubramanian5206
      @ganeshbalasubramanian5206 Před 2 lety

      @@rohan..... To the best of my knowledge, Savarkar never 'wrote' to the British to release him from prison. Prisoners were allowed to apply for parole or release (as they have already done most of their prison time) using an 'application form' / template, which contains clauses put in by the British government itself. For your information, even Nehru made a similar application to the British for releasing him. While Savarkar was in a prison that was like hell, Nehru was held in a first class prison, which was a house with garden and a library. I'll leave it to you do further research on this and draw your own conclusions.

    • @rohan.....
      @rohan..... Před 2 lety

      @@ganeshbalasubramanian5206 Namashakar Ganeshji, He apologised through mercy petition 5times and his 5th letter was very much clear to understand his stand. That may be his mistake or fear. I don't want to say anything more as it will not leads us any where. We all should move on by keeping fact straight and right. 💐

  • @murthykrishna3834
    @murthykrishna3834 Před 2 lety +1

    Personal level it is Swaya Dharma

  • @nirajbarot9099
    @nirajbarot9099 Před 2 lety +1

    Great discussion! Very interesting. Which English translation of Mahabharat would you recommend? Unfortunately I cannot read Sanskrit or Hindi.

    • @apdrafter
      @apdrafter Před 2 lety +1

      Best way is to learn sanskrit and then read it, else u r reading someone else's interpretation. That cud be misleading.

  • @viivekraghuvanshii7118
    @viivekraghuvanshii7118 Před 2 lety +4

    Nilesh Sir, I want to know this thing. when Dhritarashtra asks Yudhisthara how many of the soldiers are slain, and Yudhisthara replies 1.6 billion (1,660,020,000) soldiers have been slain and 24,165 are missing. Is this true that this number of soldiers were died? I mean what was the population of Bharat at that time and how much was the kurukshetra area where this battle happened ?? Plz answer 🙏🙏🙏

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +9

      Thank you.
      This number is there in MB text and in my considered opinion, it is not correct. About 4 MM people dying makes sense based on other references in MB text.
      Do watch my other talks at this channel where I discuss the population estimates.

    • @siddhantmishra3598
      @siddhantmishra3598 Před 2 lety +2

      @@NileshOak why does 24,165 ring an odd bell deep down , idk . It’s as if …. 🤷‍♂️

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +2

      @@siddhantmishra3598 24, 165 can be a realistic number. Unfortunately, we have no way of testing or analyzing this claim because of the lack of details and evidence.

    • @aswinimajumder1553
      @aswinimajumder1553 Před 2 lety

      @@NileshOak What types of arsenals might had been used for anhiliation of so many people within 18 days of war.

  • @harshpatil4593
    @harshpatil4593 Před 2 lety +2

    Great research nilesh sir... But in case of ramayan i have little 🤏 doubt..and the doubt is that according to your research ravanas lanka position was in the West of today's sri Lanka then why&how ramsetu was built in different location.. (Location is distance between Tamilnadu to sri lanka) plss clear my doubt Nilesh sir.

    • @apdrafter
      @apdrafter Před 2 lety

      Coz any army wud b vulnerable on a bridge

    • @harshpatil4593
      @harshpatil4593 Před 2 lety

      @@apdrafter plss explain in detail sir

    • @apdrafter
      @apdrafter Před 2 lety +1

      @@harshpatil4593 u dont want your army to step on that land in front of ravan's lanka gates, or close to battle field. That wud b clear massacre of an army

    • @shakthivelsaravanan9263
      @shakthivelsaravanan9263 Před rokem

      I think this can help you
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  • @IAmIndraTheGod
    @IAmIndraTheGod Před 2 lety

    Nikesh Sir, you forget to give who were Vasus and the curse given to the 8th Vasu

  • @vinodtrivedi8079
    @vinodtrivedi8079 Před 2 lety

    Sir, was arjun a handsome guy and physically stronger than the common human of treta yuga? And how powerful were common people in different yuga physically more tall and powerful than the kaliyuga people?

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you.
      All the answers here:
      czcams.com/play/PLHXmB06jKN8WDbBA5FibTHU-XKxrJQTZA.html

  • @mytube12
    @mytube12 Před 2 lety

    Since yugas are cyclic in theory! Maybe it's equal to precession of equinox!

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety

      ?

    • @mytube12
      @mytube12 Před 2 lety

      @@NileshOak one yuga, maybe equal to 25772 years.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +1

      @@mytube12 One of the 30+ different definitions of Yuga does talk of yuga of 26K.

    • @mytube12
      @mytube12 Před 2 lety +1

      @@NileshOak In Srimad Bhagavatham, it says that even when the dissolution happens, the Dhruvaloka(Polestar in subtle experience) doesn't get affected! Since 26k cycle is related with the pole stars, maybe it's the yuga cycle after all

  • @siddharthasharma5251
    @siddharthasharma5251 Před 2 lety

    Hi Nilesh ji, what are your thoughts about Out of Africa theory ( about 60,000 years ago) by NS Rajaram? How could it be possible if Lord Brahma created manu maharaj and he started race of all human beings, please tell me your thoughts about it, thanks in advance.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +2

      Namaskar
      1. I am not aware of the 60K Out of Africa theory of N Rajaram Ji, although I knew and had communicated with N Rajaram Ji until his passing away.
      2. When did Brahma create Manu?

    • @siddharthasharma5251
      @siddharthasharma5251 Před 2 lety

      @@NileshOak Sorry for late reply, Nilesh ji. 1.Well yes, he published his theory of 60k out of Africa, where some toba volcano erupted and only few speaking humans survived in parts of East Africa ( Kenya or nearby areas I guess) from where our ancestors came and settled into Indian subcontinent 30k years ago.(It's not my words, although I only partially believed into the concept of his theory). 2. Well I could be wrong here , but what I've read before that the FIRST MANU, so called Swayambhu manu was the manasputra of Lord Brahma ( he created him through his mind) and thus he's the progenitor of humans since first manvantra. Now here is a one question if you can answer that... In one of your video, you're agreeing onto some point where human civilization couldn't pass off before 24,800 BCE. So if Ramayana happened in 12209 BCE, can we also agree in that point where Vaivasvata Manu and matsaya Avatar appear in that same dating around 25,000-24,000 BCE as the starting of first kritayuga of seventh manvantra? Thanks in advance again. 🙏

  • @surraar
    @surraar Před 2 lety

    Dear Nileshji, as per our senior acharya's of Vaishna sect, Mahabharata, Bhishma cannot be told as unmarried. This is because Krishna when he is instructing the final pyre be lit he is asking to use Bhishmacharya Agnihotra fire. That means he was married and had also carried out agnihotram. he only did not participated in physical union to produce kids. in my opinion, only this generation lost the importance of giving words and follow. But I am aware many of my older generations would follow their words to the every letter.
    if you look at the land records for India including my village, many land records only started by last 50 years. earlier to that....when people wants to handover the land to other, they will bring the buyer to the land along with key people of the village and they will say the words of hand over on the lands they are giving up. this was considered final and done
    The earlier generations practised "mana, vaak, Kayam" synchronous approach. Our acharya will say if one follow unity in thoughts and actions, what ever he says would happen. some times called blessing, some times called curse both will work

  • @SarvavidBhavati
    @SarvavidBhavati Před 2 lety +2

    Tamas is over bearing, rarely needed by fewest of the few people.

  • @kantibakshi6789
    @kantibakshi6789 Před 2 lety +2

    If kalyuga started after 18th day of Mahabharata where adharma was diminished then why immediately adharma started in kalyuga again?

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +7

      Thank you.
      Our contemplation, reasoning, and thoughts are the very product of Kaliyuga that began on 2 November 5561 BCE.

    • @kantibakshi6789
      @kantibakshi6789 Před 2 lety +2

      @@NileshOak thank you Nilesh ji🙏. I'm a big fan of your work. I keep reading your books and tell others too .

  • @shailiupadhyay64
    @shailiupadhyay64 Před 2 lety

    Namste sir i watch your lecture on various platform and I personally like your work but in a debate i am not able to defend my psition on your dating of ramayan and mahabharat
    My request to you that can you clear ,them so I can defend myself
    1- invention of wheel around 10000BC so how can ramayan time people travel
    2 mahabharat tell us about chariot(आरेदार पहिए) horse then why we do not get them in harrapa civilization if you say we get then, wheels are not spoke
    Please reply sir 🙏

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +7

      Study my works and works of other relevant individuals for 20+ years before debating with others. One should not attempt things prematuraly.
      All the best.

  • @vinodtrivedi8079
    @vinodtrivedi8079 Před 2 lety

    Sir, is god merely a concept because sometimes I feel that there is only a suffering and suffering and everyone blames to the karma .
    So, how true do you think this is.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you.
      For me, god is very real. I am not so sure about suffering or Karma.
      Pu La Deshpande narrates a story of Pestanji who proposed that 'God is suffering'.

    • @MrsSMenon
      @MrsSMenon Před 2 lety

      Hi, I know that this question was not directed to me but I know why you are asking this question coz some years back I had the same question in my mind. But I believe that through grace alone I stumbled upon watching Swami Sarvapriyananda from Vedanta society of New York . And I started watching so many of his videos that I got to know of greatness of ancient Hindus and their scriptures. You should really listen to him.
      czcams.com/play/PL2imXor63HtS4ewIKryBL4ZVeiaH8Ij4R.html
      That’s his lecture series on Bhagavad Gita

  • @ashutoshshrivastava2875

    48 min to 49 min one more thing,, could it be possible that rishis due to their tapasya and observation they can even predict the time period of cycles of yuga and wen that could end bcoz if wat i understood which i know is just anumaan is that in context of prakriti pradatta guna if we see virtueous aspects of civilization that might hav been realized by some of our aadipurasha wen followed by many generation could hav been naturally selected and became the signature mark of maanva jaati that had been initially
    as much of an species like other animals. And that aquired traits led to satyuga where at the time there was minimal or no asatya in any aspect of human nature of that time and as far as my anumaan most of the gyan or shruti of that time only keeps a thread of guidance through out all yuga as the cyclical nature inherent in prakriti leads to again patan of those traits and we are getting more closer towrds those primitive instictual nature of our species that is kaliyuga and as per rishisis cycle goes on repeating itself. If this is true human might find way to shorten this period of kaliyuga and may satyuga continue for ever means at least that is what we do acknowledge every now and then ki as human we must find sat
    chita ananda and that must be existing in satyuga where there is no conflicts between prakriti and chetana.

  • @DrMPrad
    @DrMPrad Před rokem

    Gandhari blames and curses Krishna (and also Shakuni and his kingdom) for all the vinaash. However, at no point she points a finger to either Bhishm, Dhrutrashtr or Duryodhan? Why is this so?

  • @sgshendeyt
    @sgshendeyt Před 2 lety

    As recent as Shivaji Maharaj times. Aurangjeb used to use phrase like "20 Shivajis were killed or caught yesterday".

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety

      ?

    • @sgshendeyt
      @sgshendeyt Před 2 lety +1

      @@NileshOak Multiple Vasistha etc. is a natural phenomenon.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 2 lety

      @@sgshendeyt Thanks.

    • @anupabharadwaz4486
      @anupabharadwaz4486 Před 2 lety

      Could be lookalikes who were equally valiant. Hence the same name reference

  • @SrimanArcharyaJBC
    @SrimanArcharyaJBC Před 2 lety

    🕉🔺➕

  • @sureshjois7308
    @sureshjois7308 Před 2 lety

    Even though you say reference is there that rama brought sathyayuga by way he administered, there is actually different yugas, if you really want to get actual details you may have to wait more time like may be the vault which is still not opened in tiruvananthapuram Or some where else to be opened. Also, don't forget the sanskrit slokas can be understood in different ways, you need much more knowledge of sanskrit than what you think you already know.

  • @nammisairamesh
    @nammisairamesh Před 2 lety

    People from advanced countries are discussing how can we advance by inventing new technologies and here these guys are discussing of one drama story written by one author and doing research on that topic. What a waste of time.