Dating of the Ramayana and Mahabharata | Nilesh Oak |
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While there are more than 130 attempts to date Mahabharata and more than dozen attempts to date Ramayana, all of them have lead to different proposals based on, supposedly, same set of evidences from these epics. This causes lot of confusion and makes ordinary individuals wonder if they can trust either these researchers or the evidence, or both!
The problem is not in the evidence, but rather of irrational and subjective methods employed by most researchers. Nilesh will demonstrate a scientific framework for conducting new research or analyzing existing research, and how this simple framework can be used by anyone to determine the quality of any research work or claim.
Besides presenting specific dates for instances of Mahabharata & Ramayana, Nilesh will convincingly demonstrate, with the help of specific astronomy evidence, why Mahabharata war did not happen anytime after 4500 BCE and why Ramayana did not happen anytime after 10,000 BCE.
Nilesh Nilkanth Oak is the author of 'When did the Mahabharata war happen?: The Mystery of Arundhati' and 'The Historic Rama: Indian civilization at the end of Pleistocene'.
He freshly evaluated astronomy observations of Mahabharata text, which led to validation of 5561 BCE as the year of Mahabharata War while falsifying more than 120 alternate claims.
Nilesh researches in astronomy, archeology,anthropology, quantum mechanics, economics,naturopathy, ancient narratives and philosophy. Nilesh resides in Atlanta, USA.
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Man I'm so happy we have internet access. I am sitting in my home listening to this wonderful guy . Keep these vedio coming.
@@star-eg9dm lol he's dumb I just went to his profile most of his sources are funny af
@@star-eg9dm Fake translations😂
Please don’t listen to misleading info
Read Mahabharata and Ramayana yourself
Mahabharata mentions ( in Adi parva - section 177) Mlecchas like Yavanas , Dravidas , Keralas , Sakas , Sinhalas
Came out of
The cow Nandhini and fought Vishwamitra’s army :
The Mlechhas were :
Yavanas - Indo Greeks (180 BCE- 10 AD )
Sakas - Indo Scythians ( 150 BCE-400 AD)
Dravidas - Tamilakam ( 600 BCE - 300 AD)
Obviously the text is composed much later than this period. ( I mean after Alexander’s invasion of India )
Even if we assume the actual events happened earlier , why did the author mention yavanas , Sakas and Dravidas fought against viswamitra’s armies ?
It is true or just mythology?
So how on earth did this man conclude Mahabharata happen between 6000BcE - 5000BCE ?
Again the age of Ramayana by this man has faulty logic
Ramayana is a post Vedic text :
Historians date scriptures using the clues provided in the scriptures themselves.
Ramayana mentions iron age kingdoms such as Chera , Chola , Pandiya of the south.
www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga41/kishkindhaitrans41.htm
Kishikindha Kanda - Chapter 41
tathaa vangaan kalingaam ca kaushikaan ca sama.ntataH |
anviikSya daNDaka araNyam sa parvata nadii guham || 4-41-11
nadiim godaavariim caiva sarvam eva anupashyata |
tathaiva aandhraan ca puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan || 4-41-12
Translation:
Like that Vanga, Kalinga territories shall be searched along with Kaushika territories available on their fringes, then cast about the Dandaka forest all over its mountains, rivers, and its caves, then River Godavari that courses through Dandaka forest, and then the provinces of Andhra, Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala are to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-11, 12]
Chola , Paandya and Kerala are collectively called Tamilakam in ancient times ( Dravida in Sanskrit , Reference Mahabharata)
These sangam age kingdoms flourished from around 600 BC to 300 AD. ( verified by recent Keezhadi excavations and Radio carbon dating )
These were Tamil speaking regions.
Tamil is a Dravidian language.
So Mahabharata calls this Dravida as Mlecchas ( foreigners)
Anyways Ramayana was composed during or after this timeline (600BC - 300 AD )
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It is gratifying to see that the presentation is watched by and commented upon by those who definitely need to watch this. The reversal of deracination has begun. It remains to be seen how long does it take before the reversal is felt among laypeople.
Nilesh Oak ,sir can you tell where srijan talk is held..place?
You mean to Say Vishwamitra Must have lived for approximately 10,000 years by your logic as he comes both in Ramayana and Mahabharatha.
@@PrasadHassan You mean to suggest that you have never had the experience of finding more than one person with the same name? It does happen. You can check it out.
@@bakshychibber9641 I myself a Qualified Astrologer. I am a Hindu, When I was young I was inspired by Vishwamitra. My interest in Mythology and Astrology is at least 30 years old. I agree it is possible to have two different people with the same name but not in this case, here, many stories maintain the same Identity. Even I do my own research and observation. I know how to make sense out of what Nilesh is trying to illustrate. He is not really convincing. Although, he made many valid technical points. But it is not enough.
Dear Nilesh Oak Sir, According to you Ramayana is dated back just 12,000 years but I have a doubt in My mind coz I Came across a narration from Ramayana In SundarKand where it is mentioned that Hanuman came across 4 Tusked Elephants guarding the Lanka's Gates, and Now in present times we know that these 4 tusked animals looking like Elephants were actually GOMPHOTHERE who were present on earth roughly around 12 to 16 lakh years ago... thus this Supports the fact mentioned in Yugas being of Lakhs of years.. and Ramayan took place before 12 lakh years.
I am very glad to see that the intellectuals are jumping into this stream. Soon enough our governments will need to accept and this knowledge will be accessible to common man via school books.
Nilesh, You are right about most Indians being very "self conscious" or having low "self esteem" when it comes to their religion or cultural values. They are not proud of it.
I have lived in USA for 22 years and I find that at least there Indians are trying to preserve their culture, unique identity and are proud. Perhaps this is due to fact they are very successful materially and are saying "we are better than whites, so why must we agree to anything that they say or talk about our civilization?"
In India alone you find Indians are aping the West, especially the Americans. You need to talk in English here to tell the other guy you are educated!
Let me tell you an interesting thing.
Many would not have heard of Adam Osborne. He was the first person to invent a portable computer and became a millionaire. Later on, he did a big blunder in announcing the next version before the old ones were sold and ended up in bankruptcy!
It goes now by the name of "Osborne effect"!
Adam Osborne was born to Arthur Osborne, a follower of Ramana Maharshi (Sage of Arunachala). He spent his last years in India and once remarked that the day Indians started feeling proud of their culture, India would be a great place.
AGREED SIR JI
Rajiv Malhotra says the same problem is there among Indians in America too. They generally refer to themselves as South Asian instead of Indian, he says.
I did not find it so. Indians in USA proudly say they are Indians. They are on top of their professional careers ( a whole lot of them) and their average household income is more than that of an average white American.
So, no i do not agree with Rajiv Malhotra there.
I hate that kind of life tip toeing between cultures & the fear implemented in the minds of younger generations by so-called aunties who fear their reputations tarnished by a someone marrying a white girl. When you say that Indian culture is better than white culture what do you mean? That is a a massive statement to make. Do you mean Western capitalistic societies coupled with democracy? Or do you challenge the Roman-Greco world of thought? Or is it Judea-Christian doctrine? What are you talking about?
I don't understand why you people are shouting or doubting the patriotic feeling of Indians, just because we are patriotic we are one of the fastest growing economy and just because we are proud of what we are the racist Islamic world could not take over India, we are proud to be Indians , just because you are in America you feel it .
Great scientific explanation of astronomical evidences of Hinduism scriptures, Ramayana and Mahabharata.. we need more people like you to establish the scientific aspects of Hindu scriptures👍🏼👍🏼
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Logical ? Lol
Shadow ban by youtube
Bhai, you tube algorithm.
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I offer my gratitude, dear Shri Nilesh, for all the beautiful work you have done, as a Dheerah! It was nice to see you patiently deal with one of our brothers asking, ''what is the point of all this". Indeed, the West did so much to erase all that would make us proud as a race; that legitimate pride which makes any race stand up and assert itself - and India has more reasons than any other in human history to be proud - being such a benevolent contributor and benefactor to humanity and the world! Gratitude to you again, as a Bharateeya!
OM
I offer my apologies on behalf of the brainwashed westerners who thought they had anything off value to offer . In reality they were evil greedy liars .
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Sir u continue ur hard work .. and spread awareness...
we are not taught in ...Our school about Ramayana and Mahabharata at least we can study through you
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It pains to see so much of knowledge being placed in front of with Zero or less consciousness. They are not to be blamed, the spine has been removed by different invasions
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Verifying our history is good.but we have also to call out the lies and distortions propagated by Western/Christian academia
@Nemesis really? Give me some clues
@Hopz go and read the book you think has fallen from the sky
@Nemesis No words have fallen from the sky but all originated here on earth. You can all believe harry Potter is real because it doesn't hurt me or anyone else but you have no right to force that believe on me. its simple....Believing in a book to have come straight out of the god's mouth and then going on an infidel killing spree is not right and it is fundamentally, childishly stupid.
Christians are a very diverse group, some believe that these two stories can't coexist ( Ancient India & Bible )
, I don't . And most who argue this haven't even read the book representing their own argument " One day for my Biblical God is 1000 years for humans " India's ancient history sounds much like the Biblical " book of Enoch " where demi gods came to earth , tought humans technically new ways of living but ended up with their offspring waging wars on earth .
@@lars.219 , Lol. Nice joke 🤣🤣🤣
Ohh.. my god. Awesome job. I think this video must go viral. What pains you have taken and how scientific approach you had. Seriously I have tears in my eyes, while writing this comment. GOD bless you sir and please do spread it in all major universities.
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I think this study of yours should close the debate once and for all times.... now its the turn of those who doubt to prove you wrong.... excellent work!! Congrats!!.... I'll tell your name to my kids as someone who solved this riddle...NILESH OAK....our Newton
Sadhuvad.
रामायण युद्ध १२,२०९ वर्षेापुर्वी किमान
भारत समजुन घ्यायला व अशी कामे करायला संस्कृतआवश्यक, योगसाधना तपस्या आवश्यक
म्हणुन हे काम करायला बुद्धि, धैर्य, दम, बरचं काही लागते़
धृति: क्षमा दम: अस्तेय शौचन् इंन्द्रियनिग्रह:।
धी विद्या सत्यम् अक्रोध: दशकम् धर्मलक्षणम्।।
भारतीय इतिहास हा जगातील सर्वात सत्य प्रिय, त्यागी तपस्वी निस्वार्थी लोकांंचा इतिहास आहे़ त्यावर विश्वास नाही ठेवणार तर कशावर?
From another video, I learned that there are 3 pole stars in all. Archaeological data is very very expensive. Astrological data is more affordable. At around 11,600 years back, younger-dryas occurred, which led to a 400 mts of sea level rise. But then Dwarka was built later. The life-span of people has been reducing too. For example, Bhishma lived till 4 or 5 generations ahead of his own, but by the time pariksht become the ruler, it would have been half of bhishma's. Very heavy researched topic and tremendous presentation, thanks.
You do a good job explaining the classical western approach to scientific investigations, commonly associated with Greek rationality. As an Indian scientist, more accurately, a Hindu scientist, I must point out a process of discovery and problem solving that I saw in myself and my numerous Hindu colleagues. The classical western scientific method you describe is based entirely on deductive logic; but interestingly, we Hindus unconsciously practice inductive logic in our approach to problem solving and scientific investigations. One of the main reasons that western corporations have set up their R&D operations in India is , I strongly believe, this tendency on the part of Hindu researchers to unconsciously utilize inductive reasoning, which can often lead to novel & unexpected answers. Having spent more than 50 years in research, & having left India a 20 year old, just after graduating from IIT Kharagpur, I became aware of this tendency in myself because the inductive approach is just not practiced in the west. Perhaps it comes from hearing the epics on our grand parents knees. Must be something.
Please present your discoveries based on the 'inductive logic' you are claiming.
Can you give a example of Inductive logic or just .....
Deductive logic is based on a tangible assumptions
Inductive logic in based on both tangible and intangible assumptions
Amazing video... Such a knowledgable man and talks with a lot of facts, sense and conviction.. doesn't throw mere philosophical stuff out to the people. We need more Indians like these who can engage in critical thinking and reasoning like our ancestors.
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Thanks you to sir: for sharing your 25+ yrs hard disciplined studying & sharing with “measly men like -“I” and escalating my happiness to higher level”
- I want you to have life span transferred to you, so you live long and help Hindus. Shashi, a Bangalorean in USA: 01/20/2021
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Make an animation of this then it is easy to understand
Very nice suggestion sir.
Sir we are very fortunate to have you in this age of cultural imperialism. Mother India will survive!
If possible record some lectures in Hindi so that Hindi speaking belt could get the benefits.
Thank you.
mother India is not for survival but revival now and show the world the way.
Mother India or Brahmanical India?
I am astounded by your highest level of self-confidence in your explanation.
A great insight and taste, a great scientific evidence on elaborate research.
Salute to your sincerety.
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we need propagators for such great works of prof. oak.
cant ask them to do research and propagate also...its cruel.
Thank you. Glad you understand this. Very few realize how much work is involved and also how good number of people have poor grasp of interpreting evidence and logical thinking. Many can not discuss even a single thing coherently for more than 2 min.
That's why we should all donate to srijan Foundation & Shri Nilesh oak..
The British distorted our dates and implanted many false stories and even propagating more on our epics.
@@nileshoak4749 sir what is the age of ram setu...if you know does it fit with your chronology
What an Amazing research with so much humility. Simply outstanding and incredible.
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Read book Being Different by Rajiv Malhotra - will make you realize the greatness of Indian civilization
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Its sooo.. satisfying.... ❤️❤️❤️ Loved your research....
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Thank you so much for this excellent talk. Well said, that there is so much evidence that pertains to our history but it has been and continues to being ignored. I am grateful to Mr Oak and Dr Vedam and others in leading the charge to cast our glorious past and history in correct light. This is a form of service to the nation. My great respects to you both.
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When will you be able to publish the book you mentioned here ???
I am really impressed with this theory of Ramayana and Mahabharta dating. Great work. I hope some day I will start working in reviving the truth of ancient India.
Thank you, Nileshji for such a brilliant presentation.It’s time to be proud of our culture which has been demoralized and broken down multiple times.But it will continue to survive thanks to people like you. May Lord Krishna always bless you.🙏
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Extraordinary intelligence is witnessed in U, with cool head. I am blessed by our lecture. Looking forward to touch world recognition 👍👏👏✔
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"I answered all the questions" - Epic mic drop
A few years back (2011 ) India's National Institute of Oceanography conducted a large-scale deep-sea archaeological investigation on the southern and western coasts of India in collaboration with some British scientists, - which revealed the remains of many lost human settlements and vestiges of cities along large areas adjacent to the coastline of the Gujarat peninsula near the ancient Dwaraka, to the Madras area. Those were the connecting lands originally occupying the cut-out edges of the peninsula, and the land mass linking Cape Kumari to Sri Lanka. The remains found there included architectural and metallurgical craft that might be more refined or advanced than those of Mahenjodaro excavations. Scientists determined the age of the Dwaraka remains at 10 to 12 thousand years. According to Mahabharata, Lord Krishna retired to Dwaraka, and historians knew that ancient city was lost in the ocean probably due to some earthquake or sunami in some dateless past. If these new archaeological findings indicate anything, is it possible to place the Mahabharata events back to 10 thousand BC?
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Existence of a city is not one event but a long period of time. Dwaraka in 10000years does not contradict it's existence during Mahabharata times
No, they only dated Dwaraka to that late Harrapan period to about 1500 BCE.
looking at the rich culture, practices and knowledge of food, living and culture of India. we cannot have evolved all of this rich tapestry of way of living in a few thousand years. it will definitely need 14000 to 20k years
Nilesh Oak is an extraordinarily brilliant Man, brought in convincing evidences.
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It's our privilege to hear you respected sir.
Thank you. Do listen to 100+ other talks of mine on CZcams.
Great discussion.. really appealing..
Thnx..very inspirational indeed!!
Big Fan all of Sangam Talks Intellectuals 😘
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I also suspect this. Indian civilization is very old and whole indo European language group nothing but spread of indian civilization to Europe from antiquity. Though I would like to know what is mount mero is it mythical or real.
utubetruthteller utubetruthteller you may be right even I am beginning to think so but we still need archaeological evidence to shut people's mouth.
utubetruthteller utubetruthteller it is internal place.situated in the subconscious mind
I completely agree with you, Utubetruthteller. I don't believe in the Aryan invasion theory, but I strongly believe that there was a global Vedic empire in antiquity. Although Vedic culture today is associated only with India (because Vedic culture in its original form survives today only in India), Vedic culture used to exist worldwide. The ancient Vedic writings of India (especially the Puranas) describe human lineages and Vedic culture extending BILLIONS of years into the past and we have suppressed archaeological evidence in the form of human fossils and human artifacts which CONFIRMS this. There are various evidences for the existence of a global Vedic empire, one of which is the fact that the swastika symbol is found on pretty much every continent in the world (you can find swastikas in India, Europe and even Peru, for example). The Vedic writings of Ancient India (including the Puranas) describe Earth as a hollow planet and that Vedic civilisation exists in the Inner Earth World (also known as 'Agartha'). The Norwegian man Jens Jansen and his son Olaf Jansen sailed into the Inner Earth World in 1829 and met very tall people there. Olaf wrote a book about all of this called 'The Smoky God' and said that the people there spoke a type of Sanskrit - this vindicates the Puranas! You can read more about this here:
www.holloworbs.com/olaf_on_sanskrit.htm
Not only that, but a statue of the elephant-headed deity Ganesh was found in Queensland in Australia (here is a picture of it: img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1507/82/1507821664719.jpg) and elephants are obviously NOT native to Australia and I'd just like to point out that Ganesh is NOT an exclusively Dravidian deity. Aryans were all over the world in ancient times (including Australia). There are MANY MORE examples like that which you can read about here:
www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Worldwide.php
Mt.Meru Mystery
Mt.Meru represents the strength and power that guided India and that power was represented by the Sages. Great Sages reached great heights as their metal strength was as great as the meru, The Great Sages helped people to settle and prosper. Their mental strength was Celebrated and revered by the people of India as they were the Scientists, inventors, Philosophers and Law givers with the guidance of Lord Shiva, the Kailasapathy. The phrase used to praise the great Ishvaras was “Meru Samana”. They were the Meru of India.
Vasuki Naga represented the 5 out of 8 Naga tribes who were Patrons of Shiva Dharma and were the rulers of the 5 Northern realms North, East, South, West and Central Kingdoms of Northern India, North of Vindya Range. The Naga race known as the Sankapala lived in the South and during Satya Yuga they were presided by Lord Karthikeya. These 6 powerful Ishwaras were allies and lived in peace among the Sakthavites who were a major sect revered by all. The 5 powerful Ishvaras known as Vasuki Nagas served Lord Shiva and were depicted as the five hooded Naga protecting Lord Shiva, their Guru and mentor.
They Vasuki Nagas helped the migrants to settle in their Kingdoms for 6 Manvantaras and never had any problems with the migrants who settled peacefully and integrated among the Nagas and their mixed races became known as the Yaksha’s who were the next generation Scientists, Mathematicians, great builders and scholars as well as great healers, inventors and educationalists of the prosperous age known as Satya Yuga of whom Hiranyaksha, Hiranyakasipu and Ravana were the greatest rulers They were the prodigies of Lord Shiva who was generous to all. They became powerful yet maintained a sophisticated lifestyle abiding by the Non Violence principles of Lord Shiva. Vishnu of Patala (Balochistan) was also educated by Lord Shiva and favoured as an Ishvar of Patala but his ambitions led to chaos in India as he plotted to take Lord Shiva’s place in Kailash and the land of Ganges. And this became the nightmare of the Churning of the milky Ocean, infiltrating the Kingdoms of Shiva tradition by deception sneaking in like Tortoise with an underground mafia. It is depicted as Kurma Avatar of Vishnu sneaking under the Meru in mythology. They were ruthless and greedy in nature like any Mafia, even defrauding the very people who would have helped them calling them Asuras. Eventually anyone who opposed them became known as Asuras.
Everything was peaceful in the Shiva country Hindustan until Vishnu joined the new set of Aryan immigrants known as the Adhaman Aryan of the middle east who had settled in the desert Lands of Afghanistan. They were the Devas, initially known as the Gantharvas. They asked help from the Vasuki Nagas for settlements and started defrauding them and the Yaksha’s breaking their patients after getting their help and that pain is represented by the vomiting of Halahala by Vasuki in Mythology. The relationship became Sour which their Lord Shiva had to pacify Vasuki by controlling his anger also to avoid conflict, due to which his throat is depicted as blue and Sakthy, the Sakthavites helped him to overcome dismay as his people were terrorised by the immigrants of the 7th Manvantara. This irritation developed into intolerable heights when Vishnu became unruly and ended up killing the wife of Sage Bhrigu. The very Sages who helped the Aryan Devas to settle down ended up cursing them. The Avatar perpetrators used this as the camouflage when Rama as the Avatar of Vishnu was separated from Sita for a year. But this separation was a planned espionage to tarnish Ravana’s name in order to defraud the Sentimental Vanara Clans of Kishkinda.
Devas were Aryan immigrants to India and they competed for lands especially where the Rivers flowed. It affected the local Naga and Yaksha communities who settled peacefully in India under the guidance of Lord Shiva, the Kailasapathy. The men called Avatars and their collaborators even set fire to local settlements. They either escaped or ended up as slaves when the Devas' introduced feudal system and worst of all "Varnashrama Dharma" which ended up as a caste system and untouchable into India which was a free country before under Lord Shiva, the Kailasapathy.
Beautiful Women called Mohinis' were used by the cunning Devas to entice the Asuras and steel from them when they found good wealthy lands especially mines of Gold and gems. The best finds were code named after Cows and white elephants known as the "Iravatham", the rare wealth which the head of the Deva Indra was allocated. The wealthy lands were code named as cows. The third best was "Kamadenu" which went to Sage Vasishta. and also another called Suseela. The other wealthy land was called Nandini, it was again another named after a cow called Nandini. The best of the lands went to Vishnu, that happened to be Goddess MahaLuxmi, which once belonged to Lord Shiva’s CommonWealth as Mahalakshmi is considered the daughter of Lord Shiva. They were the top of the range wealthy lands and mines so that Vishnu never had to work again. He just lived in luxury and called it laying in the milky Ocean pampered by Adhishesh and Mahalakshmi. They called it Vaikuntha whereas those who lost their freedom ended up into the tyranny of Varnashrama Dharma while their Ishvaran were terrorised with the Sudharshan Chakra and even imprisoned in their own Sanctuaries. They are known as Muneshwara and they belonged to the Yaksha race. They are still revered by their faithful followers in every Village.
The vast forest Land with rich mines of gold and Silver known as Nandini was settled for Jamadagni, the father of Parasu-Ram. It became the cause of the troubles between them and the Emperor of Kathiawar and King of Heheya Kartavirya Arjun, whose Kingdom the mine lands code named Nandhini were situated. When the King asked them to vacate they rebelled and fought the King whom Parasu-Ram destroyed by gorilla warfare and was acclaimed as an Avatar of Vishnu by Sage Vasishta. But ParasuRam was not an Avatar of Vishnu. He was an Ishvara of Lord Shiva, the Kailasapathy. He was a Prodigy of Lord Shiva just as Ravana. They were contemporaries. ParasuRam defeated Kartavirya Arjun of Heheya face to face along with the other Kings of his Empire. Kartavirya Arjun was a follower of Dattatreya. Dattatreya was once considered a Trimurthy Avatar but the collaboration did not last long. He was reduced to Vishnu Avatar.when those who represented Brahma (Chandran) and Shiva (Durvasa) left the collaboration because they couldn’t tolerate the overbearing attitude of Datta, the Vishnu aspect.
All this is to do with materialism and is hiding behind Avatar activities. They will destroy any one who stands in their way. That was what happened to the Yakshas’(Asuras') and who had the best including Lord Rahu and Lord Ketu. Vaishnavism played them by enticing them with beautiful women known as "Mohinis''. Later on during the seventh and Eighth Avatar activities, they have used women of the King's household in place of the "Mohini". The wives of the Hero were used including Sita of Ramayana or Draupadi of Mahabharata. But these women were not physically involved nor were they kidnapped, abused or humiliated in the Court. It was an espionage tactic. They simply spread such tales around to gain support and alliances. It was a war tactic.
These are the achievements and betrayals of Avatar activity. It still goes on. This Video is part of that conspiracy too. So beware of what you hear and what you believe. Once when you part with your contributions, you will be forgotten unless you have millions more to lose.. There are a lot of lies and betrayals in it. They talk and you are listening to an empty camouflage. Remember Meru represents greed and arrogance supported by Vishnu as Tortoise who gets the major share of the loot.. They churned India (the Cow Prithvi) for its wealth (the milky Ocean). Now, Avatar enthusiasts, especially the Rama enthusiasts, are doing it in the entire world defrauding the people with faulty and greedy tales of Ramayana and Mahabharata with underhand tactics!!! Rama did the ultimate destruction then, in 5000 BC assassinating great men using the Nagastram which he carried with him during his exile and now his poisonous lies are doing it in the world unleashed by Rama enthusiasts. The same is being achieved by Krishna enthusiasts also. Churning the Wealth of the wider world. So beware of the Sanatanis who promote Rama and Krishna. They are observing you with their Golam like eyes to grab your Precious wealth however small it is it contributes to the churned milky Ocean and the World’s Commonwealth is at stake!!! I hope this answers your query.
Mt. Meru is far away North at the North Pole where no one is allowed to go. See Ancient Indian Maps. czcams.com/video/Lens-aiSXqg/video.html . The so called Qutub Minar is the Replica of Mt. Meru. SUDARSHAN MERU or SUMERU. It's a JAIN TEMPLE COMPLEX. NOT A SINGLE STRUCTURE IN THAT AREA IS ISLAMIC IT'S ALL INDIAN. The british did the fabrication to make a new history. FAKE ARCHAEOLOGY, FAKE HISTORY AND FAKE PEOPLE. SO KNOW THE REAL PAST.
One of the best video I've ever seen....
Thanks for the content, Mr Nilesh. For me, Human evolving to what Nature intended us to evolve is the main aspect of Ramayana or Mahabharata. A seed grows to become a tree, likewise, Humans are a seed, Tree is the aspiration. Be any epic, any text, should lead to ones flowering. So, the use of Ramayana and Mahabharata has a huge impact, which can lead to a better society but also what Life intended for Humans.
Very well researched. Thanks
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Nilesh great research reminds me of the time we discussed Ramayan at your place in Symrna -this is Sandeep
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You arbitrarily selected Arundhati moving ahead of Vashishtha, more importantly OUT OF CONTEXT. Vyasa was describing bad omens- unnatural astronomical, climatic, biological and other things. The sholka here lists Arundhati preceding Vashishtha as an abnormal event. That means during that time too Vishishtha was ahead of Arundhati as we see now. As I mentioned this chapter describes many such abnormal events as bad omens.
Great presentation.
Awesome talk. Improved my understanding. Thanks
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"The Holy Science" by Swami Shri Yukteshwar Giri. There are upward and downward cycles of yugas.
Shri Yukteshwar believed Dwapar started in 1700 AD (Colonization of India) also Mahabharat to be around 800 BC. This is what I have read from forums. And if this is correct he was extremely brainwashed by Europeans.
So you should research if he said all this or Not and then follow him intelligently. Europeans were first negating Mahabharata then they reluctantly agreed to put Mahabharata around 800 BC. Then newer dates for Buddha came to 500-600 BC so they had to shift Mahabharata to 1400 BC (800 years prior to Buddha but under Aryan Invasion timeline which is 1500 BC to 1700 BC) they vehemently reject any earlier dates as it negates Aryan Invasion theoey. Hindu tradition says Mahabharata is ateast 5000 years old which is also proven by Krishna iconography in Mohen jodarro and Nepal. Thus if Yukteshwar believed Mahabharata to be of 800 BC, he wasn't correct.
Listen to this video from Ananda website about the Yuga cycle. Ananda is a spiritual organization founded by Swami Kriyananda (given name: Donald Walters) who was a direct disciple of Paramahamsa Yogananda (who in turn was a disciple of Sri Yukteshwar, author of Holy Science or "Kaivalya Darshanam" in Sanskrit).
Link to the video: czcams.com/video/w0xBUIJtfFE/video.html
There is another video which talks in great detail about the yugas. You can search in on you tube.
@@chaitanyatalegaonkar8629 I doubt if he was brainwashed by Europeans, but your comment is very interesting and makes one think. Perhaps there are cycles within cycles?
@@chaitanyatalegaonkar8629 Thank you for your reply to my comment.
God bless you! Worth spending the night for the knowledge!
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Great talk. I takes me to illuminating stage.
He deserves a better audience
Mind blowing .Thanks for eye opening session.
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Excellent Sir. Its been wonderful listening to you on this topic.
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Super research and great analysis sir. After listening your sessions I am feeling even greater about our civilization and culture. Thanks
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Thank you very much! I just read Bhagavadgita in a serious translation by a profesor of sanskrit in Prague's Charles university, who uses the book as a teaching tool at his lectures. It is obvious he has done a pretty good job. If I understand it correct, Bhagavadgita is a part of Mahabharata. It's a conversation on the battlefield of the great Mahabharata war. So it's dating is very interresting to me. Especialy concerning the fact that Krishna says something like: Whenever the mankind embraces evil so much that it enthreatens it's existence, I incarnate in a human body and renew the order. He says it as if it was something he had done several times before making the statement. And as if it was something he foresees he would have to do again in future. So, if Krishna says it in
5.561 BCE, it opens a new window to the worlds history to me. Sorry for my awful English. Greetings from Prague, Czech republic, Central Europe!
Due to western education many indians still think Mahabharat is only a story. What do you think?
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I would say it's a mix of historical record and poetry. I am a christian.
When Lord Jesus speaks about bread and wine, everybody understands these are metaphorical expressions. The same way when he speaks about silver talents, lamps and oil, wineyard workers etc. It is not less valuable then positivistic history. It is more valuable.
And the history is still there. In the same way I understand Bhagavadgita.
Thank you. Nilesh Oak
Thank you for your comment & your English is really good being your second language. Lord Vishnu is believed to have around 10 avatars or his descent to the material world. He has been a fish, an amphibian, a mammal, & finally had human avatars representing the Darwin theory of evolution of life here on earth. His last avatar for this cyclical time will be kalki which would lead to the end of days & the start of the time cycle once again. As per hinduism time has no beginning nor end it is divided in 4 yugas or ages. We are currently living in the last kali yoga where evil, un righteousness & un lawfulness with increase tremendously, this will cause a disbalance in the cosmos & vishnu will have to descent and intervene once again. Fun fact- Did you know that in ancient india at the time of Krishna or even before there were vimanas(aircrafts), weapons of mass destruction(nukes) and weapons that could be activated through voice commands and sound recognition?
@@jankorinek2397 , There's no historical evidence of Jesus's existence
This content is mind blowing. Take a bow for Nilesh..
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I am so glad I watched this video
Such great work,
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Excellent speech
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I'm an Indian Atheist, I never believed in Mahabharata easily, I'm born Hindu, I know everything about Mahabharata, even more than most common people do. So I considered all these possibilities :
Logical Reasoning #1 - Indian Civilization inspired by Wars between of Persians and Greeks.
This was not possible because the accounts of Battle Formations, Astras and Divisions of Military mentioned in Indian Scriptures are too vast and numerous and have no known source of inspiration from Persians or Greeks. So, I had to drop this conclusion
Logical Reasoning #2 - Indians invented the Mahabharata Myth sometimes after the birth of Buddha to glorify Hinduism
This was not possible because even Buddhist Scriptures mention Mahabharata and Ramayana, In-fact Buddhists are inspired by Hindu Gods and not the other way
Logical Reasoning #3 - Mahabharata was simply an Imagination and Creation of Ved Vyas
- This was not possible because a single man's imagination could not have imagined all this information in Mahabharata - Border nations of India, Weapons, Modes of Combat, Battle Formations, Weapon Training, Details of Cities, Traditions, Customs, Life of Kings, Queens, Soldiers and Village folk at that time in various cities - From Hastinapura to Gandhara, From Sindhu desh to Ayodhya. There also Historical Accounts of Arabian Ocean, Dead Sea, Caspian Sea, Russia, This would have been impossible to imagine by a Native Indian at that time who would never have access to travel to all these places etc.
So, I'm forced to accept that despite being an Atheist, Mahabharata might have actually somewhat happened !!! I don't believe it happened in the exact same way but some things are definitely true. World Historians need to consider Hindu Mythoogy as History and not just Mythology and study Scriptures like Mahabharata which might reveal the true history of Mankind.
I am an Atheist, but I agree with Ramayan and I think Ram, Sita, and Ravanan were just Humans.
Did you have any proof for what you say ?
@Alfonso G : Sorry , I did not read your comment till the end , I thought you did not believe Mahabharatha and Ramayana ...
@Alfonso G : There are places in the Chennai with the name Hasthinapuram , which relates to Hasthinapur .
@@Nonecares452Kumar; I am glad you are an atheist. Who will not become an atheist reading Mahabharatha and Ramayana and worshiping Kalpanic Ram, Krishna, fictitious Sri Ganesh, a MURDA, for good luck to remove life obstacles? Satyemeva Jayete? Based on visual observation and common sense, the text and the events in Ramayana and Mahabharat lead to them Kalpanic Kahani. e.g., Kauravas being 100 sons of blind Dhritarashtra and Gandhari is statistically and biologically ASATYA and absurd, making them Kalpanic participants in the ydh. It is claimed that Mahabharatha was narrated by Rishi Ved Vyas and written by Sri Ganesh, a MURDA. No one has seen this priceless manuscript. It does not exist.
When you are honest and completely confident about your studies and research that's the output you get..🔥🔥🔥🔥
Output ?
Please don’t listen to misleading info
Read Mahabharata and Ramayana yourself
Mahabharata mentions ( in Adi parva - section 177) Mlecchas like Yavanas , Dravidas , Keralas , Sakas , Sinhalas came out of cow Nandhini and fought Vishwamitra’s army :
The Mlechhas were :
Yavanas - Indo Greeks (180 BCE- 10 AD )
Sakas - Indo Scythians ( 150 BCE-400 AD)
Dravidas - Tamilakam ( 600 BCE - 300 AD)
Obviously the text is composed much later than this period. ( I mean after Alexander’s invasion of India )
Even if we assume the actual events happened earlier , why did the author mention yavanas , Sakas and Dravidas fought against viswamitra’s armies ?
It is true or just mythology?
So how on earth did this man conclude Mahabharata happen between 6000BcE - 5000BCE ?
@@randomperson6141 answer is in the video so don't ask me "how" I'm not gonna spoon feed you.. get it yourself
@@randomperson6141 hey random person. Just to correct your little propaganda the dravidians who you call mleechas were actually not called mleechas.
They fought alongside the pandavas in the war and later on had a part in the kurukshetra as well.
Go figure.
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Hey Nithin Balaji
Are you seriously calling Mahabharata a propaganda ? Lol
Of course I know that Mahabharata claims mlecchas fought along side Aryans !
Go read Mahabharata properly - it claims even Indo Greeks( yavanas ) fought in the war
Manusmriti 10.42 -43 calls yavanas , Cholas and Dravidas as low borns :
translation by pundit Ganganath Jha :
शनकैस्तु क्रियालोपादिमाः क्षत्रियजातयः ।
वृषलत्वं गता लोके ब्राह्मणादर्शनेन च ॥ ४३ ॥
śanakaistu kriyālopādimāḥ kṣatriyajātayaḥ |
vṛṣalatvaṃ gatā loke brāhmaṇādarśanena ca || 43 ||
But by the omission of the sacred rites, and also by their neglect of Brāhmaṇas, the following Kṣatriya castes have gradually sunk to the position of the low-born.-(43)
pauṇḍrakāścauḍradraviḍāḥ kāmbojā yavanāḥ śakāḥ |
pāradāpahlavāścīnāḥ kirātā daradāḥ khaśāḥ || 44 ||
The Puṇḍrakas, the Coḍas, the Draviḍas, the Kāmbojas, the Yavanas, the Śākas, the Pāradas, the Pahlavas, the Cīnas, the Kirātas, the Daradas and the Khaśas.-(44)
mukhabāhūrupadjānāṃ yā loke jātayo bahiḥ |
mleccavācaścāryavācaḥ sarve te dasyavaḥ smṛtāḥ || 45 ||
All those races of the world which are outside the pale of the people ‘born of the mouth, the arms, the thighs and the feet,’-speaking the ‘barbaric’ or the ‘refined’ language-are called ‘Dasyu.’-(45)
@@randomperson6141 you say it isnt a propaganda tool for you and yet you use the word it "claims". Perhaps you should refine your tone so that it suits your propaganda.
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Awesome talk and very informative. Made me fan of Nilesh Ji..
Thank you. Do watch 100+ other videos of mine. Then books and blogs.
Holy shit now I understood why our ancient festivals are interchanging the dates in every calander year .
Why are we so blind ?? .my whole 16 years of western education just now destroyed.
Are you NRI?
I am a NRI Hindu
@@vrhealthkannada FYI western have only wrong information and always try to defame hinduism.
Hindu calendar is related with astronomy..
My suggestion for you is to don't believe in western knowledge.
Never brother ,ain't interested in western , my culture my pride .
I'am overwhelmed by your interaction thank you brother
Dear NILESH OAK, your work is more than worth to be published in Nature and/or Science. Did you try to publish your work? If not I urge you to please start publishing it in peer reviewed journals. Science is the only way to progress. Because Science accepts the mistakes and move forward correcting itself. I am a main stream Scientist, from Chemistry and I am really excited to listen to your work. Every progress made in Quantum Mechanics is by Theoretical Physics Scientists like Einstein, etc., and every Scientist in QM field quote Vedas and Bhagavad Gita, does it sound familier. It is time for us to take our Scriptures (ORIGINAL version, every other version is manupulated in the name of poetry, translation, personal interest, society interest etc.,) seriously. After all we read history to learn from it and not make the same mistakes. And we read Scientific literature so that we will not get busy reinventing weel. Just imagin if we had such an amazing language at least 12500 years back, how was the civilization. Truly amazing. Thank you for your contribution. Please provide scientific article references and links everywhere. May our historical characters like Sri Rama and Sri Krishna bless you...
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amazing talk,great knowledge
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There is a book " Vastav Ramayan " by Dr. Vartak.. Did you get any reference from the same. It's quite impressive considering the time he wrote it with no modern tools available to him.
Very humble man super😊👏👏
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@@SangamTalks what a coincidence. I watched it yesterday also
just unbelievable explanation....... Great.
Sir you are doing great thing.
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It is really a thought provoking lecture with lot of logical and astronomical evidences. We are proud of you, nilesh! Thank you and keep it up! I Am sure you will succeed.
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Indians must start writing Indian textbooks on all topics instead of promoting just western ones to Indian students. In that way there can be comparative studies. Too many times one has to read an English translation by a westener of the Sanskrit scriptures and the written account of Indian history. Sometimes the translations don't make sense as it comes from a western mind.
Noah's myth came from Manu. Same as Gil-Gamesh.
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Sir, big Salute to you for your hard work.
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It's always better to link the date to a celestial body. Gregorian calendar is temperory.
'Religion' is a fabricated concept that only applies to Judeo-Christianity and Islam.
It's a concept that has always been alien to not only India's diverse cultures, but all human cultures across the world.
India has never produced anything remotely resembling 'religion'.
The concept of 'religion' is in fact the very antithesis of the concept of 'Dharma'.
So there is no such thing as 'Hinduism' the religion.
The same can be said about other alleged 'religions': 'Buddhism', 'Jainism', 'Sikhism', etc.
India has always had great diversity of cultures and embedded within that syncretistic matrix have been various Bhakti Margs, Gyan Margs, Panths, Sampradayas, etc.
None of those Bhakti Margs, Gyan Margs, Panths, Sampradayas, etc., has any similarity with 'religion', i.e. with Judeo-Christianity and Islam.
'Religion' is a colonial-imperial system that anathematizes 'syncretism' which is the active principle of all human cultures across the world.
By anathematizing 'syncretism', 'religion' acts as an 'ethnocidal' force in the world.
That is what Judeo-Christianity and Islam are. They are an 'ethnocidal' force.
They act against all human cultures across the world and seek to undermine cultural autonomy and cultural syncretism.
Judeo-Christianity and Islam supplant cultural autonomy and cultural syncretism by stultifying heteronomy and homogeneity.
By undermining cultural diversity and creativity, Judeo-Christianity and Islam also pose a threat to the very survival of human species on Earth.
I have a similar theory. Would love to collaborate with u. Let me know.
Wonderful....all of India must read the Gita...then read it for understanding 😁
What a fabulous post.Sir you have most accurately pointed out the difference between Indian and Christian and Islamic thought processes.History is witness to the fact in india theological thinking and activity led to the enrichment of India's multifarious ethnic groups, cultures and regions hardly ever giving rise to violent conflicts, pillage and plunder and bloodbaths.
It is the Christianity and Islam which have driven the world to today's all round chaos.
Once we study thoroughly the relationship between Brahmanism, Buddhism Jainism and Sikhism etc, we may not find this narrative convincing enough, to say the least. Regards.
@@anilkishoreyadav6162 , There's no such thing called brahminism
Thank you for enlightening us - Internet May have done lot of harm but one thing is for sure , you cannot throw crap anymore and go uncontested!
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Amazing work
When will Kalki come? If he doesn't come then how will Hinduism retain its validity?
Perhaps he is already here.
Kalki isn't mentioned in any veda or epic or upanishad even ....?
@@utkarshyadav5882 it is mentioned my brother , there are countless of other books in sanatan dharm other than Ramayana , Mahabharat , upnishads....
Kalki avatar will take birth in a Brahmin family just before the end of kalyuga and will make it's army and then after u know..
@@Arya-df7gq name any one as i have read summary of rigveda (not lying) it's written there that God is universes it never incarnates....?
@@utkarshyadav5882 brahma sutras if i have to name one...
We feel proud of our ancient civilization which world recognises and all credit goes to respected Nilesh Oak.
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My god! It's Ashish Dhar over there playing the skeptic with a wonderful question! 🎉
Duration of Dwapara yuga was 864000 years. Ramayana happened before that. Then will it be in order to say
11000+/- BCE? Further, Rama sethu is considered to be 1850000 years old.
Proud of you sir...
।। अमृतस्य वै पुत्रहा ।।
Actually our civilization was the only civilization at that time, but lack of evidences we can't prove it precisely, and now we are coming to center again, scientist are getting agree on vedas, vedavyas etc..,what our fore father's said by their profound way of teachings
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@@SangamTalks Thanks for working on such topics
We, the Indians should work hard to get hundreds of people to such important talks. It is pathetic to see only a handful in the audience. Many of us cannot do research like Nilesh, but, if we get a big numbers, we have done some service to our nation
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Yes, Professor Glenn Milne of Dublin University established the inundation of 5525 BC.
Incredibly awesome
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Sir, your lecture is really appealing to me but please give us lectures in hindi so that we can understand discuss better 😊
Please use youtube's auto translate option for hindi subtitles, it should be of some help, thanks for watching.
Convert this into Hindi to create more awareness..
Very interesting and impressive presentation
Thank you for an excellent presentation...from South Arica.
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Is there any mention and reference in Mahabharata of Ramayana if not why not .??
Yes. Too many to list. Read my book 'The Historic Rama".
Sir, I have two questions:
1) Can you give a date on the events of the Vedas?
2) What did PV Vartak say on your book on the Ramayan?
Thank you eagerly waiting your reply.
You might have asked these questions at my Blog (Someone asked these very two questions.. so I am guessing it is you). Please visit my blog where you asked these questions. I have responded to them.
Nilesh Oak
Exactly I did asked them.
Thank you so much for the replies.
Please keep up the great work.
please someone copy paste the question and answer here so it would be helpful for people who come to know your book through here.
see..i believe in ramayan and mahabharat not of logic but because I am a hindu....but as grew up history fascinated me..I believe AIT is bulshit but I have a doubt..You said in the startng that ths could be added later (The arundhati and vashist case)..we indians were good with the astronomy during the alexander period ..what is the guy who added this knew astrology and he added this up to make the mahabarat look from that period ...we dont have any written manusculture....I know dwarka is found and sarswati use to run before 5000 bc but ..still it s possble someone interoduced cause we dont have any physcal evidence of the war..
Indians never had any obsession with dates or intention to proclaim their supremacy in their antiquity, so they have no reason to insert any special dates to glorify anything in particular. This obsession with dating started with the advent of British who wanted to show we Indians were inferior to them. Now that this game has started, let Indians also come up with their studies and understanding. People will decide whose theory is better.
@@prashanthmotadoo6084 , Exactly
Physical evidence of war.it was not a tribal war to find discarded weapons or piles of dead bodies.
We followed rules.every deadbody and weapons would be reclaimed and burnt using proper rituals and ashes taken away by relatives.
Excellent deliberation,it gave new dimensions to my thinking else following Arya and Harrapa civilization theory.
Yes,civilization not evolve linearly rather it was cyclic and certainly try to decipher using different walk of science.
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Thanks Nilesh Oak; your study is awesome and irrefutable.
Do we have a group or Organisation that we all get together to share and discuss the vast knowledge on glorious past of we people?
West, and dislikes " I don't want to understand this".
Indian converts as well 😁
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I suggest studying Sri Lankan multidisciplinary evidences of king Ravana' dating. Ravana's date = Rama's Date.
Great idea. Please share Sri Lankan multidisciplinary evidence. Thanks.
Actual Lanka may not be today's sri lanka. Some findings suggest it was in orissa.
@@deepakkumarsingh2567 , Lol. That's bs. There's enough historical evidence to prove that Srilanka is the lanka of Ramayan
Lanka was in orissa. More proof there..
@@deepakkumarsingh2567 , Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome
Great Work.
Indian mathematics was already greater than European 5 centuries before Europe in the classical age.
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We have a plethora of brilliant academics from that or to malhotra to name but 2 that has convinced me that the time to STOP seeing our very ancient ITIHASA from judeo- christian/Abrahamic narrow strangleholds and see the continous evolution and development of our civilisation for what it is: complex; glorious; with ups and downs; light and dark; But; also discard artificial western imposed "differences " that demean us yet we Embrace with such stupidity and glee. I am the descendant of an ancient world unmatched by the west; complex and far beyond the limited constraints of the west. Freeing our minds and reclaiming all that which we are and even own our debates- we need nothing else! Bharat ki Itihaas as we debate it; see it and expound it is ours. I am A South African Tamilian you are from another state or Jati; in the end; we share EK BHARATI MATA AND EK OLDEST MOST ADVANCED CIVILISATION- SO; BE PROUD; ARGUE; DEBATE; BUT DO IT AS A CHILD OF INDIA; regardless of your faith! And not as a max Muller, madame blavatsky, or some idiotic western so called "indologist " - but as a child of our an ancient ancestral soul and soil!
Just Brillant!
Knowledgeable video. Great work 👏👏
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