Stove Kits Better Than Jetboil?! You’d Be Surprised!
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I can’t seem to get away from my Stanley. It’s cheap, can fit everything inside and it just works.
Same it's awsome
the only problem i have with it is that the plastic tab on the lid of the stanley does not hold up to heat. i made the mistake of leaving the lid on when boiling water over a campfire and the plastic began to melt. still useable, but they should have used a heat resistant material.
@@williamjohnson4417 Some people recommend that the plastic tab is removed. Still sucks that yours melted though.
@@williamjohnson4417 drill out the center of the green tab and it can be lifted with a stick of hung over a campfire with a wire or paracord!
Yeah, I can find better things to spend my money on than expensive pots when the Stanley pot gets the job done.
Right now, my whole cook kit is a Stanley pot with one of its cups, home made aluminum bottle alcohol stove, A wooden spoon I made, A lighter, stanly flask for fuel, and a peace of foil for a wind break. Probably less that $50-60 bucks and really can't beat it for my perposes.
paranoid! You do not fit the narrative of a snowflake! Everyone seems to be a gadget guy these days
hell yeah
Fire Maple one liter heat exchanger pot 180g @ $23
Fire Maple titanium remote stove 103g @ $35
Excellent combination
There is no heat loss and when you burn it at a low flame (hold your hand at the side of the pot) and the gas usage is minimal so the simmer is superb
I use the titanium foil windshield which weighs almost nothing but adds to the performance
I cook real food like lentils, so I soak them then cook using a cozy
I used it for six weeks in Scotland staying in bothies
It is very stable and easy to use in a tent vestibule in poor weather
8 oz gas can and the stove both pack into the pot
No need for the more expensive nesting system
I bought a Jetboil when I started backpacking. It works great...checks all the boxes. But trying to shed weight, I bought the Soto Windmaster and and a Toaks 650ml. Works just fine. I like trying different combinations of things. It's fun to expand your horizons.
Great rundown and appreciate your balanced comparison. One additional differentiator that you mentioned on the higher end JetBoil is the regulator. That’s one reason the Amicus and PocketRocket 2 are smaller and less expensive that the Windmaster and PR Deluxe. This gives maximum efficiency as the fuel canister empties. I’ve had my fair share of wimpy boils because the canister was almost finished.
Last year I switched from the JetBoil Mini Mo to a TOAKS Titanium 1100ml Pot and a MSR Pocket Rocket II. The pot is probably a little too big, and I sometimes wish I’d gone with the 750ml, but I have found the extra capacity useful at breakfast time. Being a coffee drinker, and always wanting hot food in the morning, it’s nice to be able to boil enough for both in one shot.
I have the Olympus system, and is pretty amazing. A 2-piece system that has a folding base, can contain my gas source, and has an adjustable burner (similar to the pocket rocket, and i have a variety of other burners, one similar to the MSR windburner, that I can swap out if I wish). Holds 2 cups water, plus one in lid. Lid fits snugly into lip of larger base. No igniter, but use mag and knife to spark it. I think you would like it too.
Great comparison. My compact setup is a Toaks 750 + MSR Pocketrocket 2. I love how it all nests together. I went back and forth with the JetBoil MiniMo and MSR Windburner. I went with the MiniMo because of the stout pot and versatility, but I always have some buys remorse over the Windburner. I love MSR products. The Whisperlite can’t be beat in the winter. See you outside!
I bought the fire maple Polaris recently, and it’s brilliant. You can also fit the stove, pan adaptor and 230g gas tank inside the pot.
Some great cook kits here. When using the MSR mini kits, make sure to remove the plastic cup before putting it on a burner. I may or may not have done that on an early morning half awake in the winds.
LOL. May or maynot have done this.🥴🤣
Sounds like something a female would do
You should never use it empty. If you bothered to do it right that would not be an issue.
@@nobodynoone2500 huh?
Thanks, Bryce for the awesome comparison. Did you know the Soto Windmaster fits sideways in the Toaks 750ml pot, on top of a 110gram butane stove (mini Bic lighter fits under the butane canister) for just under $100? The Soto Windmaster uses way less butane so it will last longer and do better when it gets down to the last of the butane.
What's the weight of that combo?
@@nieklegdeur The total weight for my cook set for me and my husband is 1 lb. 7.3 oz. That includes the 750ml Toaks Titanium Pot in stuff sack with a Mini Bic Lighter at the bottom of the pot (don't need it except for emergency), 110g fuel canister (full), Optimus canister stand, 2 Toaks Titanium spoons, cleaning sponge in small zip bag, small vial of biodegradable soap, Magic Eraser, assorted spices in dime bags, the Soto Windmaster, the GSI Outdoors Infinity Mug, topped off by a paper towel and the Granite Gear stuff sack which everything nests into. You can adjust the weight down by removing some of the stuff I put together as I'm transitioning to UL but am not quite there yet, LOL! 😆
I use the toaks 750 and a diy fancee feast stove. This is my go-to kit year round. I do have a pocket rocket 2 and a Coleman 533 white gas stove that get rotated in for certain trips, but the fancee feast usually tags along for morning coffee.
Very nice! I recently did a video talking about how I love alcohol stoves, but I've kind of been forced to stop using them with so many fire restrictions in the forests.
@@BackcountryExposure fire bans aren't an issue in Michigan, so my stove choice is never a problem. If I traveled out west, my favorite stove would definitely be left at home. I try to be very responsible with my flammable materials, but accidents happen. Thank you for the reply.😂
I bike camp. I love my Stanley pot with a Odoland single burner stove which sits off to the side of the fuel canister. The stove is a little bigger than what you would want for backpacking, but it is stable enough to put a cast iron skillet on it if I want to. It won’t fit in my pot, but I store other items in the pot instead to save space.
I have several different stoves but always seem end up back with my minimo more often than others. Yes a bit heavier than some other options but I get more out of a canister because of its efficiency and when your 6 to 10 days in the backcountry that matters.
Nice roundup of cook kits and stoves my go to toaks 650 and brs 3000 thanks for sharing and stay safe
I was let down by my BRS in Snowdonia a few years back and now would exclude it for lower temperatures. I was caught out by an unregulated stove in sub-zero conditions. I would recommend swapping out for Soto windmaster in winter months as it's no use saving grams if you end up carrying food you cant cook.
Having used an MSR Windburner for a few years now I can’t imagine going out without it. I added the french press and the hanging system and it’s just perfect. Price aside, the only real drawback is that it can’t simmer. But to make coffee in no time and to boil water for a lyophilized meal is simply perfect.
I had to look up 'lyophilized" never encountered that word before.
Yeah I reckon is not the most common term in English, it’s just the word used in Spanish (my first language) for these meals.
I have a couple different ones. I've been using my Trangia lately because the butane mix cannisters are getting more expensive and harder to find. Makes no noise and the alcohol is a lot cheaper and easier to get. So I have to wait 2 extra minutes for a boil.
TWO extra minutes, who are you kidding ! Alcohol is more expensive, bulky, and highly uneconomical.
the stanley is great. it's a little heavy compared to the titanium options, but i love that i can boil water for food and my hot cocoa in the same receptacle.
My current setup: sterno inferno HX pot + Pocket Rocket Deluxe + FlatCat gear Cheetah kit. At around 7k ft, it was using 6g for 2 cups of water. It's like a stash setup, but with a stronger gas-regulated stove and great in wind.
I’ve got a GSI cook pot and MSR pocket rocket. Been a great system
You pretty much covered it all as far as canister stoves go. I think a lot depends on what type of backpacking your doing and length of trip. I own way to many stoves and cook kits. Now that I am retired and hiking much further and for longer times weight is key. I am a Toads 550 with a BRS. Without the lid the stove and pot is under 3 oz. The BRS works great for about one oz. The Jet Boil is just to heavy. Maybe for shorter cold weather trips. I think I would just go with the MSR multi fuel and run white gas. I do like my Soto stove too but compared to the BRS it’s heavy which is saying a lot. Yeah I am a gram counter because I have to be. Nice video thanks
Great display and comparison of quality equipment.
This video was very helpful. Thank you.
REI has a Soto amicus pot combo for really reasonable price. Love my amicus. Great review of the popular products out there!
I have the MSR Pocket Rocket and I love it for the most part. It boils water fast, I use the cup for making beverages & it’s lightweight. However, last fall I had stopped at a shelter for a break & since it was cold & windy, I decided to make a hot cocoa. I admit that I didn’t think about the wind, which played a big role in what occurred. As I was lighting the stove, a gust of wind came and I burned the 💩 out of my thumb when the already lit fuel blew into me. 😳 Thankfully, it was just a small spot on my thumb, but it was a 3rd degree burn that required medical attention. I’m now thinking that the Jetboil might be safer in windy conditions.
I have been using one of those cheap little $10 stoves, in the orange plastic case, with igniter from amazon and the Stanley pot shown here since 2017. The stove works great and always starts by the third click, usually on the first. The pot is awesome like all Stanley products. I paid $25 for both. I recently purchased the Toaks 550ml and the Primus Classic Trail stove. I think that I paid around $55 for both. They look good but I haven't tried them out yet.
Everyone is looking for something better, just be satisfied with what works!
1st, Mini-Mo, 2nd Stanley... I own or have owned most of what you are showing and found the Mini-Mo is my go to every time if I only had one choice.
That Stanley pot is really solid for $10-15 depending on where you buy it. The only things I don’t like about it are… 1. It’s very tall and narrow compared to other pots. I never tipped it, but always am on edge using it, because it feels like it would be really easy to tip. 2. If you put a small fuel canister in it, it’s such a perfect fit, it makes a vacuum and is a pain to get out.
Otherwise, you can’t go wrong if you’re on a budget.
You may have already tried this, but I've seen others putting a fuel cannister in the Stanley and getting it out without a problem; they put the fuel cannister in upside down, so that the bottom rim of the cannister doesn't go as deep into the Stanley and doesn't vacuum-lock into it.
the stanley is a great 1st choice for anyone. it's cheap, sturdy, and allows you to figure out what you really want in your pack without spending $100.
Stanley is the best imo
Jetboil and MSR great for up on the moorlands, peak district type scenarios, the others, although may cost a bit less but arguably more versatile, end up costing more due to amount of gas needed in less than optimal conditions. Of course you can use a windscreen but then this is more money and storage space...I bought a Windburner on sale for £105 about 4 years ago. Still in perfect good as new condition. But I think the Jetboil Minimo would be my pick because of the regulator and the versatility of what you can cook on it.
Toaks 550UL with the BRS. That's what I've gone to for my actual UL long distance backpacking. I have so many different options though. Not quite as many as you but I'm a geek.
Not ultralight but due to the sales I've got a 1200ml titanium pot and a no-name stove for less than $40. I also have a mallome cook set that I could use, and a small teapot.
Stanley and BRS was my first!!! Now im using BRS, 550ml toaks, mini gas msr, a mini lighter and a mini spoon from Tuna packs
My go to is a 650ml Toak pot and Soto Amicus. I can nest the fuel can and the stove inside.
I use a MSR pocket rocket and a hand me down stainless backpacking pot. USed my girlfriends parents reactor (like the windburner) and I reaaaaaaly want one for ski mountaineering this upcoming season now. It was so efficient and actually could simmer pretty well even with wind
I'm curious to why the MSR reactor wasn't mentioned. Maybe the price? However another great option in my opinion.
I have a tote full of stoves, wood burners, alcohol, and fuel canister types. I always end up grabbing my toaks 750 nesting the toaks 450 pot. Keep a silicone hot lip guard and BRS mini stove inside.
Have you ever tried the olicamp XTS pot? It has flux rings like the jetboil but much cheaper and available at Dicks. Some backpacking friends of mine use it and love it.
We've been a Stanley Cook Pot/BRS Stove family since day one. As the kids get bigger we may need to upgrade.... there are just too many options to choose from so I've just been sticking with what I have. CHOICE OVERLOAD!!
I just ❤️ my windburner😉 going 2 update/upgrade 2 the 1,8L pot🤓
I feel that not mentioning the duel canister stoves that sit on the ground makes a difference in options as yes it it a little bigger than something like a pocket rocket but the option to use standard canisters or the long butane canisters that you would use more in a camping stove hob makes a huge difference if you are caught out mine even has a ignition clicker on it and being sat on the ground is far less likely to tip or suffer reduced heat with winds and drafts it also let’s me have the option to use titanium cookware to counter balance the slight increase in size and weight and if I use something like a 750ml titanium pot with lid the cooker fits fine inside “if I have a micro canister that could even fit inside as well” so really the only benefit to not using it is boil time on the grossly over priced models or weight but only by ounces “you could unknowingly do this by bringing items you don’t need like camera equipment anyway” but the pro’s for me way out play the con’s like the gas bottle’s over here in the uk the standard camp stove bottles are on average 2-3 times the price of the long thin camp job style bottles that sometimes even have more capacity and fuel inside so not only is my cooker and pot about £50 total but can on can of gas I can save equally I have less change of spills or damage to the bottle connection because of how the pipe and burner sits and options for any cooking pot to sit on top or if I wanted I could use a toaster to heat bread or a camp toastie maker I know it won’t win in every situation but for the average person going out for a hike or a wild camp or pit stop camping wile traveling it “in my opinion” beat’s the standard or jet systems nearly every time 👍🏻
Excellent review. 👌
The Stanley pot really isn't bad for the price the cups are heavy but if you take them out it's not bad. I have a brs stove that I have yet to use since I've been cold soaking ... I thought cold soaking was crazy but after trying some at home 1st and coming up with some meals thay work great I decided to go that route instead. When I decided that I only had a white gas stove which is heavy and takes up too much space (msr dragonfly) now with the brs I may use that on shorter trips but I find the isobutane to be expensive and more wasteful
When I started coldsoaking I used a Gelato jar but lately I got a titanium cold soak jar/cooking pot by vargo the main reason for this was in a pinch I could melt snow in it with a small fire or small wood stove since I got to a point or two on the pct where I got close to needing to do that but because of water cashes from amazing angels uncomfortable didn't become unsafe shout out to devil fish the trail angels out there are amazing
I am using a solid copper bottle for boiling water
The boil time is quicker and the soot seems to not adhere so much. It's kind of the leidenfrost effect. The bottle does go black but it far easier to just wipe clean.
MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe is my go to stove.
What about for larger groups of 3 or 4. Similar stoves different pots ?
imo you can't beat the Jetboil Stash pot (buy from Jeremiah Stringer for a little more than half off for just the pot 🤣) with the Soto Windmaster. This will be the most fuel efficient and best overall performance from the stove and against the wind. It'll only be around 3-4 grams of fuel to bring 2 cups to a boil in around 1min 30secs. The best lightweight for gas stoves goes to the Toaks 650ml and the BRS 3000. For 3 ozs total (if you ditch the Toaks carry bag) you get a lot less weight, fuel efficiency & performance in the wind with a much higher boil time. But the 650ml will enable you to boil 2 cups without it spilling over from the 550ml model.
Toaks 750 and a Soto Amicus. Cant beat that combo in my opinion.
I love my Jetboil MiniMo, but I didn't have to pay for it. If I had to pay for a stove, it would be the first one that you covered. Thanks for your thoughts!
Hi, where can I get ahold of a "pot-grabber" like you've demonstrated? Can it be bought separately?
I have a great pot, but it's a hassle using a cloth to pick it up.
Really depends on the type of backpacking and anticipated weather, but my go to is the BRS with my Toaks 750. The BRS is not good in the wind, so you have to plan for that.
Right on! I know that specific combination is what a lot of people use. Love it!
Ever hear of aluminum foil?
The Windmaster fits inside a 650ml pot but I don't know if fuel will fit as well. I only have larger fuel canisters.
The Stanley pot is good for the price but it's too tall and always a risk of falling over for me. I wish it was a bit shorter and wider. I do like that it nests in the GSI/Ozark Trail aluminum cups.
Best kit hands down -Soto Amicus and Toaks 750ml.
Been boiling in a Stanley/BSR combo for 5 years now!
I watched an expert on nuclear bombs talk about what could happen after some of the bombs drop. He made the comment about the evolution of 'the bomb' and how in the early days radiation fall out was huge. He described how the fall out actually occurs and then pivoted to todays weapons. He said the kind of fall out that folks are in fear of, will never happen with todays arsenals due to their detonation altitude for maximum destruction. The truly deadly fall out only happens when a bomb is detonated at ground level, the radiation attaches itself to dust/dirt particles and becomes the ongoing deadly fall out we hear about. However, when detonated at the military-altitude the radioactive components of the bomb are destroyed by the heat generated from it's detonation. No nuclear winter that we've all come to believe will happen.
I enjoy your channel Nate, keep up the hard work of educating new preppers and future prepper.
Love my Stanly and pocket rocket, but.. once i got the jet boil Java there's no going back. It's that good.
You should try the Jetboil Stash… not the lightest nor the quickest but you burn half the fuel so less weight and size canisters :)
Hey there, what was the table you used during the msr wind-burner demo? Thanks!
It's a table from Snowpeak.
Thank you!
What about alcohol stoves? Solid fuel stoves?
Why the tall pots? Wouldn’t a pot that’s wider than it’s height give better heat transfer and be more stable?
please make a video of the top 3 stoves mentioned in this video, but use a 10" cast iron skillet to cook a steak and veggie dinner. I can't seem to find anyone who's done a video to see how well these stoves can handle a small skillet. Will theses stoves only heat the center of the skillet? or will it heat the skillet evenly because of the thickness? I know most people won't backpack with a skillet, but for car campers that wouldn't mind a small stove setup but would be ok bringing a heavier cast iron skillet. holy crap, how many times have I typed the word skillet?!
Where’s the Camp Chef Stryker 200? Sells now for $130. I got mine at Walmart for $64 a couple years ago.
I had a pocket rocket bought in 2011 for $40. After 12 years of use the thread wore off. See how much they cost now! I bought an Ali express rip-off for $12 and am back in business.
I've ran the gamete of stoves from Butane , White Gas , Propane , Solid fuel , Alcohol , both Trangia's and homemade pop can ones. Even a small cooking fire under a small grill or just the fire by itself. When it comes to choosing the one complete Ultra Light system ( besides a small fire ) it's the Evernew Appalachian, titanium , alcohol set. I also have a well used , blacken , Stanley pot among a wide assortment of pots. One I do not have and don't plan on ever having are any of the Jet Boil ones. No particular reason , I just don't care for them.
Gamete 🤣
Windburn has started in coldest temperatures and never failed. I’ve had two jet boils and both have failed is how I ended up spending the 180.00
I have a Coleman 533 never let me down, cheap as chips
My pocket rocket is 20 years old and still going well.
I had one early on in my teenage years that would just go and go! Then I lost it at some point in various moves.
My Stanley French press cup and Coleman backpacking stove works incredibly well all for $45. I can’t understand why someone would spend $200 on a system to boil water..
I'm a big fan of the 🐈 cat food can and alcohol...when I'm with my wife I use the brs 3000t stove...it's cheap and don't weigh anything to speak of...but still work's awesome 😎
Saying my current setup is usually temporary as I have 30 plus stoves in every shape size, material and fuel. Different setups for different moods and needs. Non of which are right or wrong.
Best backpacking kitchen? Everything fits in your pot.
Anyone else not prefer the tall, thin pot design? I'd rather have a more traditional wide pot.
Honestly, for just boiling water, I got myself a GSI Halulite kettle to use with my pocket rocket. It works well and it's one of the less expensive options.
I cook on a real fire when i go bagpacking.
Real men are hard to find in today's snowflake generation of you tube babies
Can of Sterno ($3) and a tuna can “stove” will get you 5-6 2c water boils. Works fine for my occasional 2-3 night trips. I can’t get into all this stove hype just to boil water.
I wouldn’t call it hype. A stove is a tool for backcountry use. That’s kind of like calling a hammer a bunch of hype for framers of houses.
It's the snowflake generation, everyone is the gadget guy! No body can think and evaluate on their own and come up with a good solution without the you tube nonsense
You ding the second pot because you can't cook a thinks giving dinner, but then rave about the 550ml toast pot whistle is a lot smaller. Lol
Not bad advice but lets take it further. Sticking with the BRS3000 budget burner, like most a wider bottom pot is better, no one wants a tippy tower cooking accident. So swap out that Stanley tall boy for a small kitchen pot, like a grease pot often found in dollar stores or splash out on a wide bottom Ti pot. Now if you don't know most camping cookware is rebranded Fire Maple stuff. Different companies hire Fire Maple to manufacture their stuff and sell it under their own brand name. Now Jetboild are great no question but no mention of alcohol burners, HEET in the yellow bottle found nearly everywhere in the world? The All in one Trangia pot set cook for anywhere between 1 and 5 people with ease. For the gram weenies and long-distance backpackers there are Ti alcohol stoves but nothing get you down in weight like DIY for example a wicked cat can stove with a piece of aluminium backing tray cut down for a windshield. For the diehards there are those chemical tabs too but those sucker can ruin your food if they are not kept sealed and far away from your food. Honourable mention for gel stoves.
You showed no gas burners with legs. I think they are vastly superior to burners that sit on top of the gas canister.
Dozens of options out there. Wish I could cover everything
eBay no name jetboil copy $50 had it for 5 years, comes with gas canister base, pot stove burner and is flame adjustable with piezo, all fits in the pot with the gas canister, probably made in the same factory as jetboil, Fire maple is another ebay china jetboil copy that's just as good for $60 odd
Why are you hating on jet boil products
You can at least Cook a whole feast on trail 😊
Can you imagine all 8 of these stoves going at once? That would be quite the feat!
@@BackcountryExposure now I am curious how that sounds 😂
I wish you would weigh each of them. TBH thar one of the most important
Take from ali fire maple and you will be fine
i can't cook in real life and i'm not starting now. peanut butter packets and tortillas.
Jetboil is heavy and expensive and just not worth the cost of either. I sold mine after two uses. Went back to my $12 pocket stove and never looked back.
All of these are great if you do nothing other than boil water for freeze dried food or cups of coffee or tea. If you want to actually enjoy a real meal for one person, you absolutely cannot beat a Trangia Mini with it's pot and nonstick pan that fits a small isobutane canister and BRS inside...
This comparison is absurd... it is like comparing a toyota landrover with a pagani zonda. When you are in a wall at 1000 feet with winds of 50km... you wish you have the jetboil or the MSR
So how long do they take to boil water? Whats the point of a comparison without actual performance? How much fuel does it use? What are the weights of the burners and cookware?
Those who want actual data keep looking. This is a waste of time.
ALL of the stoves I've owned are better than Jetboil, which weigh and cost too much, are limited in their versatility, particularly as I want to cook sufficient brown rice and lentils for my 24 hour day's food (around 1.6 litre.)
Hate the assumption that "everyone knows" what you know about in equipment I don't know how a jet boil works and you didn't show how.
You skipped the $8 ultralight option:
Coffee can (same size as jetboil or Stanley boiler), $8 knockoff BRS.
Carries the gas can, the stove, a bag of coffee, a cleaning pad and soap....weighs almost nothing. Seals up with included top.
Costs almost nothing. Weighs almost nothing.
Recycle instead of buying new carbon footprint to go enjoy nature.
Every $100 you spend is another barrel of oil.
Every stove kit is better than Jetboil. 😂🤣
I wouldn’t be caught dead carrying the Stanley cook pot
Bla,bla,bla,Std
Those look AWFULLY unstable.
6 years and many cycles into a jet boil zip. No plan to make a change. Compact efficient well supported.
Jetboil is overpriced. It really is that simple.
Common sense!
I waste a ton of gas, and carry weight on gas cans with my bsr and pot. I'm ready to get efficient, a jetboil or msr reactor. It costs more, but that's worth it to me and in the long run may be cheaper.
@@casperinmd true. And I do own one but I got it on the cheap off of OfferUp.
Jetboil is an overpriced joke.
Give me more reason as to why you feel that way.
@@BackcountryExposure no reason, he can't afford it.
I have been using the windburner MSR for 3 years now and I am very happy with its performance. It works fast and is fuel efficient even in higher elevation. 👍🙌⛰
I use BRS with 800ml Toaks titanium cup and that is my sweet spot if I boil with gas. However my standard stove is Vargo Hexagon titanium wood burner which I use in 80% of my overnight hikes.