That's where the discount comes from my man. Everything is scaled back, including the pcb often times (less layers, so worse thermal performance and power conductivity/delivery). They're fine for low power cpu's and basic functionality, which is what they're meant for.
True. And a lot of the B boards don't even have decent ones. I have seen H/A VRM and heatsinks occasionally better than B boards. ASUS is really bad when kitting out their lower end stuff. It's almost like they start with a high end model having everything you want, and they keep stripping things until they get to a point where they really shouldn't go down any further, but they do anyway to create a lower model.
The fact you were honest about not knowing as much on the subject. Shared a recommended alternate source for good information. While somehow keeping in the limits of the short are some of the reasons I followed your channel after deciding to build my first ever PC.
@@diamonshade7484 the rgb thing is a bummer, but can be solved with other control solutions. The wifi thing is honestly unecessary imho. My internet box already has wi-fi as almost everyone elses
Oh and fucking ram topology like workstation mobo can use all 4 slots for max efficiency in gameing mobo its a2 and b2 or a1 and b1 (depends on mobo) and this makes the other 2 less effective
Step 1: find out what the companies record is with regards to warranty issues. Step 2: 99/100 times any automatic overclocking is losing you potential - it's there to try and sell the board. You need to sort out good info from bad here. Step 3: Find a good option, from a reputable company, in your price range, that has the features you are looking for. In general: Warranty + Features is what you need to look at. Everything else is unlikely to actually matter if you are willing to put about 5-10 minutes of effort into adjusting a few settings.
Problem is nowadays manufacturers produce too many types in old days u have few and one were economic/normal/good/gayming/crazy L2N OC the end ewentualny with subtypes like micro ATX and done 5 base mobo, and now 1 manufacturer have 60 types of mobo for same socket :(
@@MrBalrogosthe only true issue with today is that people don't know how to count vrms 😂 it's so easy to figure out whar a motherboard is used for if you use your eyes. Or if you can't find a list of vrms
Bought my first AM5 motherboard a month ago and made sure to get one that features S/PDIF as that happens to be important to me. As it would turn out, most of these boards now feature the Realtek ALC 4080/4082 onboard sound that's been known for years to be faulty in this particular use case - and nobody does diddly-squat about it, neither Realteak nor the board manufacturers care the least about fixing the issue. Buyers beware!
A tall tell way to source out what motherboards are the strongest is the "Power Phases". You'll see something along the lines of 18+2+1 or 24+2 or 16+1 etc. The higher the power phase, the stronger the motherboards capabilities will be with the VRM. Essentially the more power it will be able to deliver to the CPU when OverClocking
Generally the chance of getting great Voltage Regulators is in line with the price - the better their quality the less likely it is needed to have a Heatsink. If you want to get a cheaper Mainboard without heatsinks, it is a good idea to add tiny heatsinks ontop their regulators - they are reletivly affordable and u might even get enough heat off them without a thermal pad ( still nicer to have one inbetween).
I went with a asrock b650m pro rs for my new build with a 7600 and a 7800xt 32gb drr6000 ram. my build is mostly all white and that was the best compromise for estetics and price/performance
AsRock PG Lightning. 200 dollar X670E board with pretty much everything you’ll need in most use cases. Make it 250 with a wifi card, still the best deal on the market.
Love a beefy heatsink on my vrm's. One of my older builds had an ASUS mobo with beautiful heatsinks and shiny copper heatpipes connecting them together. Also, nice chipset heatsinks. My current mobo is practically one big heatsink and is made for extreme overclocking and tons of expansion.
for am5, any motherboard with 8+4 pin cpu power port and decent vrm (at least 12 phase for cpu and at least 60A) will be enough for 7950x with some overlocking, if you’re into extreme overclocking, dual 8 pin and better vrm are must. 7950x is generally pretty power efficient. Even with overclock that boosted all core to 6.0ghz, the power consumption is still just a bit over 200 watts, 220 or something. But it’s hot though, so you should be looking for motherboard with better heat sink just in case if the vrm overheated
I love and did research on asrock and multiple motherboard there’s some stuff I don’t like about asrock mother boards but it’s a good motherboard over all the stuff I dislike are very few
1. Look for the one with the most I/O & storage within your budget 2. Look for the one that has the best RGB/looks within your budget That's it. Don't skimp out on MB unless you are not planning on putting multiple storages & plugging various hardware on your PC.
Tge Asrock Taichi lite is my go to board for mid range builds. The full Taichi is more expensive and really only comes with a better look and some other stuff the average consumer won't need. It has fantastic performance per dollar
Always make sure to go to bios and set the voltage in order to prevent cpu damage, intel has a nasty practice of not telling motherboard manufacturers to set what voltage requirements so their performance looks better when testing
Prolly still gonna stick with the B series when I switch to am5. I love building m-atx but there's almost no X series boards for the case size. I have the budget to get a r9 7900x3d but I don't want a giant case, nor a super tiny one. Dilemmas.
That board has a problem with RAM compatibility tho, when i worked customer support we got a lot of support calls about that specific board with DRAM errors or painfully slow boot times due to RAM incompatibility. Also got the board myself, and had that issue, tho solved it with some BIOS settings
I bought a b650e strix for future upgrades and more io on the back. I builded a wall mounted pc and now I need every port on the back because I don’t have usb ports on my non existing case😅
Anything but ASUS Not saying they perform less than competitors but they way I’ve been f****d and the way others have been straight up shat on with their products and services leaves much to be desired
The best motherboard on a computer should support the following: -Overclocking for CPU and RAM -SLI/Crossfire -more USBs -lots of nVME slots for the drives -at least 6 PCIe slots, especially for a good 4-Way SLI -SATA ports, especially for the optical drive and several hard drives -Quad channel RAM
If you don't plan on overclocking it, just get the budget or midrange motherboard from reputable brand. I worked for media company for the last 10 years and I never had any problem with dozens of pc which is being used daily for video editing and casual gaming.
Msi generally makes pretty good motherboards, I built 3 pcs with msi boards so far (all of them are am4) and I never had a problem with them, thier bios is pretty easy to use also
I'm an MSI guy myself. Options are pretty limited with Asus being off the table for me now. Asrock, gigabyte, and MSI are the only boards I look at. I had a b550 carbon wifi, and now I've got a b550i edge wifi in my itx build. I think my next board is going to be the gigabyte b650m elite ax for an upcoming matx build. The USB io is unbelievable on that board compared to others in its price range.
@@robertmajors1737 the only downside is their shitty awful software. otherwise i agree, since 2014 using MSI hardware & never had a single not unfixable problem / defect & support was helpful for the software issues i had. - But generally Asrock seems fine too (z97 board still rocking for remote purposes & the support even gave me a custom bios that allows me to boot from an pcie nvme). Cant speak for Gigabyte but heard not a lot of good things. (can break/brick themselves over time pretty fast, but they are cheap in my country compared to others)
MSI all the way. I bought a refurnished b460m vdh pro wifi, came with shipping damage, got the replacement, built a 10700f and 2070S build and it’s been rock solid forever now.
@@Lero_Po Tomahawk series has been really good the last couple of gens on Intel and AMD. If I were buying an atx board right now, it would be that one or the gigabyte aorus elite ax.
I picked x670e for my Am5 build, room for a nvme gen 5 ssd and decent overclocking potential if i need to stretch it a year or two in the future was about twice as expensive as a b650m but what the hell
Nothing really special, for that price you can get an Asus board with medium load boostit (better PBO tech) or an asrock board with an ECLK that allows you to overclock the X3D CPUs &, some asrock boards can do 8000mhz 2:1 desynced which gives benefits in some scenarios
@@sportowiec96 plenty of eclk boards from all brands But asus boards don’t have any problems others can’t experience these days, but many do complain about their customer service Asrock is great right now
Biggest tip from a computer engineer here definitely dont cheap out on your mobo i have seen first hand friends not listen to me and buy a cheap 80-100usd motherboard and have it die within two months just recently my friends motherboard burned its socket and fried his 12600k it was a $80 msi atx motherboard idk the exact model but he cheaped out and paid the price
Hi , I’ve been watching your videos for a while , great content and I have a doubt Someone recently asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I told him that I wanted to build a pc , the thing is that he gave me an intel 5 eight gen just a week later without telling me , so I am not sure what to do , originally planning to buy a Ryzen 7 5800X3D however not sure if I should resell the Intel or use it and save the money I had prepared to buy a rizen into a better graphic card Love your videos and greetings from Mexico ❤
For budger builds on a b650 chipset. It will allow you to overclock processor and not only ram. Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 Good VRM. Has radiators on VRM and NVMe. The best extra budget is Asrock b650m-h/m.2+ There easily with comfort could live 7500F, 7600, 7600x and even high energy consuming processors. I gone for asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 for my 7500F with 7800xt. As testers say - 7800x3d can feel good on b650m-hdv/m.2 as well. But for expensive 7800x3d I would go for MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk or Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
My rule of thumb is to check if the motherboard you are buying has proper heatsinks. For example there are alot of affordable am5 mobos here in italy but all of them are cheap a620m that hardly have any heatsinks at all. Those mobos are good for something like a ryzen 7500f, but terrible if you want to upgrade to a better and more power hungry cpu down the line....
Do what he does. Buy the cheapest that has the features you need but then weed out the ones with more than 10% bad reviews. It'll help keep you away from problem boards.
MSI Pro B650-S WIFI. Next question 🗣️📢 Heatsink. A lot of capacitor for stable V/W delivered. A lot of VRM for overclocking. Reasonable price for AM5 ATX mobo and quality. 6times printed and a cover on the mobo to avoid accidental scratch DMG. Double m.2 slot (a third but B-key) wifi built in. Bios flash button (with a led to tells you if it work or not). EZ debug led built-in. Enough 3.2 gen 2 USB port for most people.
If you have the money to get a X670, get a B650E motherboard instead. Most of them are high-end enough to have those VRMs and the heatsinks. Plus all of them got PCIe 5.0 storage + graphics ( except the Asus TUF B650E). Where's most of the X670 mobos don't have any PCIe 5.0 at all (Yes there are exceptions, of course). Just consider it (B650E) the little brother of the tpo-end X670E.
Here’s some key points to remember, for longevity, get MSI, ASUS or (ROG). For budget options with questionable longevity, get Asrock, gigabyte. Not saying all Asrock or gigabyte boards won’t last, but they tend to fail more than the ladder.
I'd look only for AM5 MB if real VRM phase =>10 and VRM CPU/SoC Mosefts are above 80A. Ofc good cooling for that and 99% customers will be more then good and stable even with CPU like 7950x3d with pbo2 tuning squizing every drop of performance it can give.
Only by 1650. Save yourself some money and get whatever 100f would be cheaper (12100f/13100f/14100f), it will be fine even with much better card like 4060 or 7600, unless you will be doing something specifically CPU-heavy or upgrading a tier up to something like 7800 or 4070 later.
Yup, features and compatibility is the first. Aesthetics second. It's very easy to overspend on mobo if you think you'll all the bells and whistles. Chances are, you don't need any of the extra stuff
I'd say it depends, while I obviously wouldn't recommend a trashy motherboard that looks good i still think aesthetics can be good to look at, like where I live for example a motherboard that looks good will cost $20-40 more than one with the same features and connectivity, but without the aesthetic part, and to me that $20 is more than worth it since the mobo is a big part of how the PC will come together and look. Tho if you got a non-glass side panel or really just want to get the most out of your money there's nothing wrong with disregarding aesthetics completely
Doesn't matter the generation, for example, if I plan to build decent retro PC (I have already built 😊), then motherboard should be chosen by these criteria: 8 or more phase VRM Good back I/O Good expansion features And chipset, that supports OC and XMP (EXPO for AMD) In my example, I had built 2009 PC, with Gigabyte GA-X58-UD3R motherboard, that have 11+1 phase VRM, to guarantee stable operation, and good overclocking headroom.
a b650m ds3h for gigabyte ( budget Motherboard) can handle a substained full load on sintetic bench of a 7950x😂... 80 degrees vrm.. gigabyte this gen for amd do the best... if anyone can find a good price, i advice to buy the b650 aorus elite from gigabyte, it s premium mobo with premium feature at good price below 200
Hey zach, I'm in a bit of a pickle when it comes to making a pc cause my friend recommended me a i5 10400 and then a b460 mb paired with a nvidia geforce 210, with a 450 psu, now idk if this is a terrible set up or a good set up
It depends on the CPU. Mosfets are not 100% efficient and will dissipate some heat, depending on the CPU load. If the mosfets run too hot, the phase controller will make them switch more slowly, reducing the heat output and the current available to the CPU (less performance). Higher temps will also decrease their lifespan. A shorted mosfet will kill the CPU. Almost every graphics card with a TDP over 60W has a VRM heatsink. So they are somewhat important.
>Admits his weakness
>Tells you what he knows
>Gives you a means to find out more
🗿
Based
Bro plans and chalks out info like a veteran
(He is one tho)
Here before this blows up
What you should ALWAYS do if you don't know much about something.
a gentlemen among humans
If only budget motherboards like the Intel H or AMD A series have decent VRM and Heatsink
Are they really that much cheaper though?
That's where the discount comes from my man. Everything is scaled back, including the pcb often times (less layers, so worse thermal performance and power conductivity/delivery). They're fine for low power cpu's and basic functionality, which is what they're meant for.
True. And a lot of the B boards don't even have decent ones. I have seen H/A VRM and heatsinks occasionally better than B boards. ASUS is really bad when kitting out their lower end stuff. It's almost like they start with a high end model having everything you want, and they keep stripping things until they get to a point where they really shouldn't go down any further, but they do anyway to create a lower model.
Then they wouldn't be budget anymore...
The reason they are cheap is because stuff like VRMs and connectivity is cut back.
If they did they wouldn't be the price that they are
The fact you were honest about not knowing as much on the subject. Shared a recommended alternate source for good information. While somehow keeping in the limits of the short are some of the reasons I followed your channel after deciding to build my first ever PC.
Asrock b650m hdv. m2
Just saying =)
@thiagobadin5331 no rgb headers tho and the price raised to the pro is wifi price range
@@diamonshade7484 the rgb thing is a bummer, but can be solved with other control solutions. The wifi thing is honestly unecessary imho. My internet box already has wi-fi as almost everyone elses
Yeah, agreed, mobos are complicated as hell and is a pain to get a good knowledge in :/
Oh and fucking ram topology like workstation mobo can use all 4 slots for max efficiency in gameing mobo its a2 and b2 or a1 and b1 (depends on mobo) and this makes the other 2 less effective
Step 1: find out what the companies record is with regards to warranty issues.
Step 2: 99/100 times any automatic overclocking is losing you potential - it's there to try and sell the board. You need to sort out good info from bad here.
Step 3: Find a good option, from a reputable company, in your price range, that has the features you are looking for.
In general: Warranty + Features is what you need to look at. Everything else is unlikely to actually matter if you are willing to put about 5-10 minutes of effort into adjusting a few settings.
Problem is nowadays manufacturers produce too many types in old days u have few and one were economic/normal/good/gayming/crazy L2N OC the end ewentualny with subtypes like micro ATX and done 5 base mobo, and now 1 manufacturer have 60 types of mobo for same socket :(
@@MrBalrogosthe only true issue with today is that people don't know how to count vrms 😂 it's so easy to figure out whar a motherboard is used for if you use your eyes. Or if you can't find a list of vrms
My b450 with a overclocked 5900x: 💀💀💀
tbh as long as you got premium vrms, theres nothing wrong
I have Asus tuf gaming b450m plus ll . Is it enough for 5800x3d?
@@darkpower1072 as long as that bios is updated to run the 5800x3d then yes
@@darkpower1072i think it has 10 phase vrm,that is so decent for r7,r9 it will last
My fcking X470 that crash with my stock 5900X settings I'm about to throw my pc out the window
Bought my first AM5 motherboard a month ago and made sure to get one that features S/PDIF as that happens to be important to me. As it would turn out, most of these boards now feature the Realtek ALC 4080/4082 onboard sound that's been known for years to be faulty in this particular use case - and nobody does diddly-squat about it, neither Realteak nor the board manufacturers care the least about fixing the issue. Buyers beware!
General rule to getting a good mobo is looking for one that isn't expensive and that has the best price to performance.
MSI b650 edge wifi is insanely good I can recommend
Same with the B650 Tomahawk
great shoutout to other channels. big ups!
YESS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ZACH
The b650 riptide from asrock is a great mobo for 180$
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@@alexis_angelit is
@@alexis_angel ???
Which one
i thought the heatsinks on the b650 tuf were for cable managment😅
A tall tell way to source out what motherboards are the strongest is the "Power Phases". You'll see something along the lines of 18+2+1 or 24+2 or 16+1 etc. The higher the power phase, the stronger the motherboards capabilities will be with the VRM. Essentially the more power it will be able to deliver to the CPU when OverClocking
B550, easy for beginners and also very flexible with what cpus it can use aswell as being a good motherboard in general with PCIE 4.0 support (DDR4)
Generally the chance of getting great Voltage Regulators is in line with the price - the better their quality the less likely it is needed to have a Heatsink.
If you want to get a cheaper Mainboard without heatsinks, it is a good idea to add tiny heatsinks ontop their regulators - they are reletivly affordable and u might even get enough heat off them without a thermal pad ( still nicer to have one inbetween).
This is pure solid, this man admit his weakness and gives us clue for more infomation
I went with a asrock b650m pro rs for my new build with a 7600 and a 7800xt 32gb drr6000 ram. my build is mostly all white and that was the best compromise for estetics and price/performance
Bro really said affordable. His affordable and our affordable is light years apart
Rocking a B 650E-F and it works fine for me lol
Hardware unboxed usually does a ranking.
He responded to my comment, really appreciate it.
Hey Zach, I am currently planning on getting a PC with a RX 7700 XT and a i7-12700k, would love to hear your thoughts on the Combo!
Bridge chipsets make a big difference in how the board performs as well, they are what links your cpu to all the other components in your computer
been researching pc part to build my 1st pc and motherboard surely the most complicated to learn especially on budget.
AsRock PG Lightning. 200 dollar X670E board with pretty much everything you’ll need in most use cases. Make it 250 with a wifi card, still the best deal on the market.
You dont need to buy a x670 board for most people, b650 is defo good enough and spend like 150-180 and ur golden
B650m Pro RS Wifi the goat
Love a beefy heatsink on my vrm's. One of my older builds had an ASUS mobo with beautiful heatsinks and shiny copper heatpipes connecting them together. Also, nice chipset heatsinks. My current mobo is practically one big heatsink and is made for extreme overclocking and tons of expansion.
for am5, any motherboard with 8+4 pin cpu power port and decent vrm (at least 12 phase for cpu and at least 60A) will be enough for 7950x with some overlocking, if you’re into extreme overclocking, dual 8 pin and better vrm are must. 7950x is generally pretty power efficient. Even with overclock that boosted all core to 6.0ghz, the power consumption is still just a bit over 200 watts, 220 or something. But it’s hot though, so you should be looking for motherboard with better heat sink just in case if the vrm overheated
I love and did research on asrock and multiple motherboard there’s some stuff I don’t like about asrock mother boards but it’s a good motherboard over all the stuff I dislike are very few
I’ve been told that the rule of thumb is that your want to spend around half of what you spent on your cpu on your mother board
A R5 7600 is like 200 good luck 👍
I've always wandered what your office looks like outside the camera and what is the specs of your personal PC
I love your videos zach super helpful ❤
1. Look for the one with the most I/O & storage within your budget
2. Look for the one that has the best RGB/looks within your budget
That's it. Don't skimp out on MB unless you are not planning on putting multiple storages & plugging various hardware on your PC.
lol
You're such a cool guy, always honest and accurate in the field you practice.
Thank you for your content!
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk is a nice option
Tge Asrock Taichi lite is my go to board for mid range builds. The full Taichi is more expensive and really only comes with a better look and some other stuff the average consumer won't need. It has fantastic performance per dollar
Always make sure to go to bios and set the voltage in order to prevent cpu damage, intel has a nasty practice of not telling motherboard manufacturers to set what voltage requirements so their performance looks better when testing
Prolly still gonna stick with the B series when I switch to am5. I love building m-atx but there's almost no X series boards for the case size. I have the budget to get a r9 7900x3d but I don't want a giant case, nor a super tiny one. Dilemmas.
A b650 motherboard that has a VRM heatsink will power the 7900X3D just fine
@@janniselvers5503 thanks mate, been out of the loop on PC parts cause of the COVID drought trying to get back into things.
Hardware Unboxed video on am5 boards is super good, helps me buy my b650 ASRock PG Reptide.
The ATX board right
@@diamonshade7484 mATX, He has a video dedicated to mATX b650 motherboards.
Im using a MSI Tomahawk B650 Wi-fi and im really happy with it, it looks very cool and doesn’t break the bank (and has those beefy VRM heat sinks)
That board has a problem with RAM compatibility tho, when i worked customer support we got a lot of support calls about that specific board with DRAM errors or painfully slow boot times due to RAM incompatibility.
Also got the board myself, and had that issue, tho solved it with some BIOS settings
@@alexis_angel yea i had the long boot issue too, i just needed to turn one bios setting on to fix it so it wasn’t a big deal
@@sakurLOL what was the setting called?
@@MongyUT Memory Context Restore, turning that on helped for me at least
@@alexis_angel yea thats it
I bought a b650e strix for future upgrades and more io on the back. I builded a wall mounted pc and now I need every port on the back because I don’t have usb ports on my non existing case😅
So a good vroom and heatsinks for it
Or if you have a micro center nearby their CPU Mobo Ram bundles are pretty good
Anything but ASUS
Not saying they perform less than competitors but they way I’ve been f****d and the way others have been straight up shat on with their products and services leaves much to be desired
I got an MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI Motherboard with my Ryzen 7 7800X3D. No regrets!
Im gonna get the white one on the first picture 😃
I usually pick the latest chipset
I usually get the nicest looking one 🗿
The best motherboard on a computer should support the following:
-Overclocking for CPU and RAM
-SLI/Crossfire
-more USBs
-lots of nVME slots for the drives
-at least 6 PCIe slots, especially for a good 4-Way SLI
-SATA ports, especially for the optical drive and several hard drives
-Quad channel RAM
I don’t know why aesthetic is what I look at first when looking at a motherboard
I just buy MSI mobos around the 220 price range. Seems to be the sweet spot
I built a main system every decade. sometimes even longer because no good components exist for the time.
Day 7 of asking zach to create pc hardware box art
Short 19 for zachs pc box wall art
This is honestly, some people just get the cheapest that works gigabyte k and use it without OC . Entry level are also good like b650m hdv me
If you don't plan on overclocking it, just get the budget or midrange motherboard from reputable brand. I worked for media company for the last 10 years and I never had any problem with dozens of pc which is being used daily for video editing and casual gaming.
Msi generally makes pretty good motherboards, I built 3 pcs with msi boards so far (all of them are am4) and I never had a problem with them, thier bios is pretty easy to use also
I'm an MSI guy myself. Options are pretty limited with Asus being off the table for me now. Asrock, gigabyte, and MSI are the only boards I look at. I had a b550 carbon wifi, and now I've got a b550i edge wifi in my itx build. I think my next board is going to be the gigabyte b650m elite ax for an upcoming matx build. The USB io is unbelievable on that board compared to others in its price range.
@@robertmajors1737 the only downside is their shitty awful software. otherwise i agree, since 2014 using MSI hardware & never had a single not unfixable problem / defect & support was helpful for the software issues i had. - But generally Asrock seems fine too (z97 board still rocking for remote purposes & the support even gave me a custom bios that allows me to boot from an pcie nvme). Cant speak for Gigabyte but heard not a lot of good things. (can break/brick themselves over time pretty fast, but they are cheap in my country compared to others)
MSI all the way. I bought a refurnished b460m vdh pro wifi, came with shipping damage, got the replacement, built a 10700f and 2070S build and it’s been rock solid forever now.
Been liking mine. Z790 Tomahawk. Would've gotten the Carbon but double the price for rgb and some diff ports didn't seem worth it.
@@Lero_Po Tomahawk series has been really good the last couple of gens on Intel and AMD. If I were buying an atx board right now, it would be that one or the gigabyte aorus elite ax.
I picked x670e for my Am5 build, room for a nvme gen 5 ssd and decent overclocking potential if i need to stretch it a year or two in the future was about twice as expensive as a b650m but what the hell
For r7 7800x3d i suggest MSi x670e gaming plus wifi.
Its cool and works perfectly with this cpu and 4080 super gpu
Nothing really special, for that price you can get an Asus board with medium load boostit (better PBO tech) or an asrock board with an ECLK that allows you to overclock the X3D CPUs &, some asrock boards can do 8000mhz 2:1 desynced which gives benefits in some scenarios
@@Frosty-dr8bs yeah but asus mbo have problems and I don't trust asrock as well
@@sportowiec96 plenty of eclk boards from all brands
But asus boards don’t have any problems others can’t experience these days, but many do complain about their customer service
Asrock is great right now
Day 7 of asking for zach's pc part wall art + a rx 7700 xt
Biggest tip from a computer engineer here definitely dont cheap out on your mobo i have seen first hand friends not listen to me and buy a cheap 80-100usd motherboard and have it die within two months just recently my friends motherboard burned its socket and fried his 12600k it was a $80 msi atx motherboard idk the exact model but he cheaped out and paid the price
I use Z690 TUF Asus board since 2022, it work well with my 12700K, I can throw anything at it
Hi , I’ve been watching your videos for a while , great content and I have a doubt
Someone recently asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I told him that I wanted to build a pc , the thing is that he gave me an intel 5 eight gen just a week later without telling me , so I am not sure what to do , originally planning to buy a Ryzen 7 5800X3D however not sure if I should resell the Intel or use it and save the money I had prepared to buy a rizen into a better graphic card
Love your videos and greetings from Mexico ❤
For budger builds on a b650 chipset. It will allow you to overclock processor and not only ram.
Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2
Good VRM. Has radiators on VRM and NVMe.
The best extra budget is
Asrock b650m-h/m.2+
There easily with comfort could live 7500F, 7600, 7600x and even high energy consuming processors.
I gone for asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 for my 7500F with 7800xt.
As testers say - 7800x3d can feel good on b650m-hdv/m.2 as well.
But for expensive 7800x3d I would go for MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk or Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2
MSI B650 GAMING+ WIFI is a good AM5 motherboard. However I'm not sure it supports heavy overclocking.
one of the worst choices
@@davidkaneva9674 why?
For the cheap side i use b650m-p
In the test it runs at 66c abd is one of the cheapest motherboards
Gigabyte AX Ice products are low in cost-effectiveness, but they are the best white products
My rule of thumb is to check if the motherboard you are buying has proper heatsinks. For example there are alot of affordable am5 mobos here in italy but all of them are cheap a620m that hardly have any heatsinks at all. Those mobos are good for something like a ryzen 7500f, but terrible if you want to upgrade to a better and more power hungry cpu down the line....
Zachhhhh my pc ya know how’s it coming I’m getting my arms ready for that hug
idk about mobos and stuff as long as it has XMP on it lmao
I overclock my CPU without a motherboard. 230V straight to the pins, VRMs are for CPUs not made to withstand real power
i bought ryzen 5 5600 with 3080, it’s literally perfect duo
Weird how the bots aren't asking for hardware advice.
Do what he does. Buy the cheapest that has the features you need but then weed out the ones with more than 10% bad reviews. It'll help keep you away from problem boards.
MSI Pro B650-S WIFI.
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Heatsink. A lot of capacitor for stable V/W delivered. A lot of VRM for overclocking. Reasonable price for AM5 ATX mobo and quality. 6times printed and a cover on the mobo to avoid accidental scratch DMG. Double m.2 slot (a third but B-key) wifi built in. Bios flash button (with a led to tells you if it work or not). EZ debug led built-in. Enough 3.2 gen 2 USB port for most people.
Could you do a item on the 4090? The past of the problem... What the solution turned out to be and if it's save to buy one now?
I’m putting the GIGABYTE B650 AORUS Elite AX AMD B650 ATX Motherboard in my build
Look I’m not saying that asus doesn’t make good motherboards, but their recent rma controversy is making me not wanna buy any of their products
Got it! Im buying a msi godlike for my intel celeron
If you have the money to get a X670, get a B650E motherboard instead. Most of them are high-end enough to have those VRMs and the heatsinks. Plus all of them got PCIe 5.0 storage + graphics ( except the Asus TUF B650E). Where's most of the X670 mobos don't have any PCIe 5.0 at all (Yes there are exceptions, of course). Just consider it (B650E) the little brother of the tpo-end X670E.
Just like my friends h410 Asus with i7 10700k
Here’s some key points to remember, for longevity, get MSI, ASUS or (ROG). For budget options with questionable longevity, get Asrock, gigabyte. Not saying all Asrock or gigabyte boards won’t last, but they tend to fail more than the ladder.
When I build a pc, i want it last for 20 years, not 5
A for effort u get like for being honest
I'd look only for AM5 MB if real VRM phase =>10 and VRM CPU/SoC Mosefts are above 80A. Ofc good cooling for that and 99% customers will be more then good and stable even with CPU like 7950x3d with pbo2 tuning squizing every drop of performance it can give.
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Hey zach, I'm planning to build a gaming pc that has a 1650 as a gpu and a i5 13400f as the cpu, will my build be bottlenecked?
Only by 1650. Save yourself some money and get whatever 100f would be cheaper (12100f/13100f/14100f), it will be fine even with much better card like 4060 or 7600, unless you will be doing something specifically CPU-heavy or upgrading a tier up to something like 7800 or 4070 later.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 So I can pair a 13100f with a 3060?
@@Bartman7212 No issues. But you can still get a better processors for the future, never know when you need a GPU upgrade.
Yup, features and compatibility is the first. Aesthetics second. It's very easy to overspend on mobo if you think you'll all the bells and whistles. Chances are, you don't need any of the extra stuff
I just straight up say
F it, what aesthetic
Seriously, in here Mobo priced 20% - 40%+
I'd say it depends, while I obviously wouldn't recommend a trashy motherboard that looks good i still think aesthetics can be good to look at, like where I live for example a motherboard that looks good will cost $20-40 more than one with the same features and connectivity, but without the aesthetic part, and to me that $20 is more than worth it since the mobo is a big part of how the PC will come together and look.
Tho if you got a non-glass side panel or really just want to get the most out of your money there's nothing wrong with disregarding aesthetics completely
Doesn't matter the generation, for example, if I plan to build decent retro PC (I have already built 😊), then motherboard should be chosen by these criteria:
8 or more phase VRM
Good back I/O
Good expansion features
And chipset, that supports OC and XMP (EXPO for AMD)
In my example, I had built 2009 PC, with Gigabyte GA-X58-UD3R motherboard, that have 11+1 phase VRM, to guarantee stable operation, and good overclocking headroom.
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a b650m ds3h for gigabyte ( budget Motherboard) can handle a substained full load on sintetic bench of a 7950x😂... 80 degrees vrm.. gigabyte this gen for amd do the best... if anyone can find a good price, i advice to buy the b650 aorus elite from gigabyte, it s premium mobo with premium feature at good price below 200
One of the best motherboards for AM5 is the Aorus X670E Pro X. However, it is white.
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Hey zach, I'm in a bit of a pickle when it comes to making a pc cause my friend recommended me a i5 10400 and then a b460 mb paired with a nvidia geforce 210, with a 450 psu, now idk if this is a terrible set up or a good set up
Just make sure it's not an Asus motherboard. Asus has made a habit of scamming people in the RMA process
Zach do you know if there is a way that I can get parts that work well together but idk much about them but really Wana learn how to build a pc
I’m a professional B650 enthusiast
suggest me the best mobo around 15k INR
@@Lovish26 intel or amd?
@@00_The_Black_Swordsman amd
Am5 or am4?
@@00_The_Black_Swordsman am5
Zach May you Convince My Parents To Upgrade My Setup Because I Play On 60FPS And My Game Crashes Every Day.
Do they still dish out quad channel motherboards? Kinda wanna try out 128gb of ram in the future
99% of vrm heatsinks are overbuilt its really rare the you will get a motherboard where this is a problem
It depends on the CPU. Mosfets are not 100% efficient and will dissipate some heat, depending on the CPU load. If the mosfets run too hot, the phase controller will make them switch more slowly, reducing the heat output and the current available to the CPU (less performance). Higher temps will also decrease their lifespan. A shorted mosfet will kill the CPU.
Almost every graphics card with a TDP over 60W has a VRM heatsink. So they are somewhat important.
I just choose the mobo with right chipset and has vrm heatsink