Square cuts: MFT or Rail Square? [video 422][Gifted/Ad**]
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- In this weeks video I take a look at the options available for making a square cut with a #tracksaw, and weight up the pros and cons of using an #MFT vs #RailSquare. Enjoy!
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402 Rail square - • Benchdogs Guiderail Sq...
409 Benchdogs Fence System - • Benchdogs Fence System...
415 Plywood square - • A plywood square that'...
418 DIY Rail Square • Pocket-money Rail Squa...
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Your explanations are amongst the best out there Peter - clear, concise and no waffle 😂
Love your channel and love learning in 10 min. EZ learning for sure. Thank-you
I can see that my comment is a year after you published this video about MFT's which I am about to add to my workshop but like all your videos that I'm working through well worth a thank you. You put across so simply what can often take craftsmen/women years of experience to learn. I'm grateful to you and a small group of others who you mention frequently for sharing your knowledge with us. Thanks...
Thanks Terry, I'm really pleased that it was helpful! P
Always enjoy your films Peter, hope you have a fantastic 2022, thank you.
Great job, as always, Peter. I never fail to learn something of value from every one of your videos.
Thanks Michael! 👍
Absolutely efficient, accurate delivery of the information. Excellent delivery! Thank you for all you do!
Thank you! 👍
Your videos are some of the best! I have no problem understanding your and your points are crystal clear. Thanks so much. I’ll be incorporating many of your workbench ideas.
Thank you! 👍👍
Great video as always Peter. I too am waiting on the mobile bench build as I suspect it will be a well thought out and practical design.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience, I am now a Plunge Saw convert!
I have all the options, and you, Peter Millard, are to blame for that. I thank you.
It was a pleasure! 😂👍
I can second this fact. I ended up building my own MFT from a 1000mm kitchen base cabinet with all tools and options due to this channel.
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Yes, Peter is the jerk I blame for me having the very nice Benchdogs fence.
By the way, I'm in the US, I ordered a bunch of their stuff and it was delivered very quickly and shipping fees were miniscule. I'm a very satisfied customer of Benchdogs.
Peter your videos are absolutely brilliant. I am amazed at how you compress hours of insight into minutes of video, and do so with both clarity and humor. Thanks so much for sharing this channel, it is one of my top go-to sites!!
Thank you! That’s very kind of you to say, and much appreciated. 🙌👍
Nice one Peter. A huge and comprehensive amount of information in a bit over 10 mins! Very well done.
David
Thanks David! 👍
That was the most helpful video about square cuts with a TS I’ve seen in all my years. Thank you.
Thank you! 👍👍
Another great video packed with super useful tips and info. You’d be hard pressed to find a more informative ten minutes or so... Thank you Peter. 👍🏻
Thanks Alan! 👍
I always appreciate your comparisons Peter
Cheers Steve! 👍
Excellent Peter, that covered everything! 👍
Thank you! 👍
Just purchased the benchdogs rail square using your promo code, saved myself 11 quid, thank you for that. 👍😁
As usual, great and informative video. Watching you actually convinced me to buy a track saw and I'm loving it. Such a change and with your tips... Just wow! I made a mobile cutting station at a client's place following your advice on calibration and the station, I am making spot on square cuts with ease and even used it to joint rough cut mahogany to use as edging on BB plywood. Oh I'm also making my own MFT system thanks to your videos. Just brilliant Sir. Thank you! I'd happily but you a pint 🍻👏👏👏👏
Thank you! So pleased that the videos are helping! 👍👍🍻🍻
Great video again Peter, after watching all your tracksaw videos I've just bought my 1st track saw the Excel tracksaw with two 1.5m tracks. Just gonna re watch your videos to get it all setup and dialled in 👍
Nice one, Nigel - have fun! 👍
Lots of choice, thanks Peter.
I happened upon your channel and felt immediately drawn to your disarming style of presentation. You distill so many valuable ideas and concepts that are taken for granted into concise visuals and commentary that I felt compelled to comment.
Coming from a relative beginner who's spent countless hours researching equipment, reading forums, reviewing safety tips and working up the courage to buy a table saw. I'm slowly realizing that a tracksaw and MFT may be more appropriate for my needs. Your channel is a remarkable resource.
Thank you, and welcome! If you’re looking into specific themes eg MFT style benches, then take a look at the playlists, where similarly-themed videos are grouped together for easy reference. 👍
Good video, and lots of options for every budget.
Thanks Peter very informative
Wow. You’ve included the equivalent of 8 hrs of info from all the the other festool youtube user sites in this one little video. Awesome info and editing Peter!
Thanks Ted! 👍👍
A wealth of knowledge in this one! Spot on Peter! 👌
Thanks Mike! 👍👍
My God!!! This video was sooo helpful. PM you are a Gem Mate!!
Thank you! 🙌👍
Just bought my first festoon plunge saw. Now I know what to do. I can get on. Thanks simple and easy instructions get it now got it. Thanks I usually watch USA SITES found you and have a new great reference
Thank you! Best wishes from London! 👍
I use the festtool railsquare since 3 weeks and I am very impressed. I didn't know about that kind of accessoir befor your videos about kg. Thanks for that and greetings from Austria
Thanks! Yes the Festool rail square - actually a rebadged TSO - is very nice and can be had at a decent price; the colours match h as well! 😆👍👍
Great music on the fade out.
Hi Peter, always enjoy your videos!
Steve
Cheers Steve! 👍
Love the video. Been replacing my internal doors with oak ones and the Benchdogs rail square has been awesome.
Well worth the money for trimming 14 odd doors
They're great squares! Impressed you have 14 level floors though... 🤔😂👍
This is true 😂 however just seemed to make things easier dropping on the door rather than measuring
Very helpful overview Peter thank you
Thanks Alastair! 👍👍
Dude. I’ve spent sooooo much money since finding your channel years back! 🤣🤣
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I’m creating my own MFT as I needed it to be bigger than the standard Festool MFT. I’ll be using the Parf Guide System Mk2 to create the holes. This video helped me think what are my options in order to make it as a cross cut station as well. Thanks Peter!
Thanks! 👍
Are you going to add offset holes?
Hi, Peter the Detroit track saw that I bought is very similar to the Makita with the anti-tip lip & therefore similar to the Festool. Therefore this weekend I bought the FS-WA ($215Aud) thinking that I could modify it to fit, I even thought I may consider buying the 800mm Festool track ($155Aud). Well, I picked up the FS-WA as nobody had in stock well it fits in perfectly in my Track with no sanding or cutting off the underside groove.
Damn you're building the suspense ! Really looking forward to the PMMFMB !! (Peter Millard Multi Functional Mobile Bench) 👍😉
It’s coming! 😆👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Perhaps you can have races with Steve Ramsey's BMW - Basic Mobile Workbench?
Great video Peter, thanks
Thanks David! 👍👍
Great overview
Nice overview. Thank you.
Cheers Nico! 👍
Awesome detail. Thanks!
Thanks! 👍
And got my Square ordered (with your promo code).. thanks a million!
Thanks! 👍
Certainly looking forward to your portable work table. I do like the Paulk "portable" table because he cleverly put a shelf below the work surface because sometimes when we work we tend to clutter the work surface with tools and thereby making the top un useable . I think Scott Brown in New Zealand built a revised Paulk Style top that was more portable. I think one with the MFT style top would be useful even for DIYers. The issue with these portable ones for non pros is storage.
Helpful video, many thanks
They helpful video, thanks.
Great content Peter, I'm eagerly waiting for the bench build video as I've got the saw and rail and the BD rail square but unsure on what the best route is for the table top it's self.
Thanks Colin! It’s coming! 👍👍
When I grow up one day, I want an mft top on my work bench! They look so bloody handy!
Cheers James - they are very handy! 👍👍
Nice overview
Very useful - thank you.😀👍
Thanks Norman! 👍
Sold. Great review. Thanks
Glad it was helpful, thanks! 👍
Looking forward to the portable bench build video ;-)
I'm working on it Goran! 👍
Thanks Peter stay safe
Cher’s Paul, you too! 👍👍
I cant wait to see the next video. Now you are a master of suspence too, if I am right.
Thanks Frits! 👍
First time here. Love it 😍
Thanks, and welcome! 👍
Who let the dogs out???!!! Lovely bit of kit Peter!
😂😂. And thanks! 👍👌
Brilliant video. If I had seen this before purchasing my rail square from bench dogs I would still have bought it but would have understood the alternatives better!
looking forward to the mobile bench build.
Thanks Mark! 👍
Looks like you're enjoying being a full time CZcamsr Peter. Great video 👍
Thanks! Yes, no regrets whatsoever! 😆👍👍
Coincidentally I'm building a mobile workbench and am about to add an MFT style top so am dead keen to see this upcoming episode you mentioned.
It’s coming! 👍👍
I love your videos. And It’s great to be able to come back and refresh my memory. I can’t decide…. do I want the rail square first…. The parallel guide…. Or should I get the MFT table? I’d get them all if money was no issue. But it is. LOL. Decisions decisions. I will note…. I bought the plans for the portable work table. But I haven’t made it yet. So I have no surfaces with the bench dog holes in it right now. I guess I’m off to go watch that video again. Always love coming back to your channel.
Thank you! And yes, it’s a tricky choice, especially with the parallel guides in the mix as well. I am overdue on the ‘parallel guides vs rail square’ video, but I tend to think of the PGs for full sheet narrow rips, the rail square for full sheet cross cuts, and the MFT for everything else. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That’s actually a good way to think about it. That helps.
I prefer to use the MFT for precise cuts on smaller workpieces in the workshop. For rips I do use a TSO rail square, but I double check it for squareness every time ( coz I have cut a few wonky pieces occasionally). If I'm outside, it's the rail square on a cutting deck, which I find accurate enough for most jobs. There is no way I would take my MFT3 outside the workshop because it's so heavy and unwieldy. I'm making a portable top to mount to a pair of dewalt aluminium sawhorses. I used my festool mft top as a template and with a 20mm guide bush on the router and a 3mm dowel drill cutter from trend, I plunge cut the hole centres and used the UJK 20mm cutter from the parf guide system to cut the holes. One of those old wolfcraft twin column drill guides helped keep everything in line. It seems to be sufficiently accurate from my test cuts.
Can't wait to see your version of the mobile bench though!
As a long time Festool Track Saw user, I've never once wanted to buy into their 96mm x 96mm x 20mm hole pattern. I've chosen to use the more common 2"x2" hole pattern with 5/8" hole. This opened up a world of fixtures and jigs that are used outside of just woodworking. But, one trick I picked up along the way was the use of 5/8" dia stainless steel stand-offs and 1" diameter caps as my bench dog solution. Not only did I save hundreds of dollars, I was able to buy quite a few different varieties. I sometimes use square heads on the stand-offs. Or do the 3/4" elevated rails by swapping out the appropriate caps to thread on to my stand-off barrels.
As far as my best rail square solution was to go with TSO rail square, and as my second I chose the Woodpecker's multi-angle version. I like using one at each end of the track if I can. I never have to double check my squareness that way. I feel I have a great combo that allows me to accomplish nearly 95% of my Table Saw needs now. I only use the Table Saw now for thin strip cutting.
Horses for courses, I think; for balance, I've never come across a 2" x 2" grid with 5/8th holes, so perhaps not as common as you think?? Good to hear you found something that works for you though. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop In metal work and fab tables, there's many brands, such as Strong Hand Tools that sell all the different clamps and accessories that fit those smaller holes. And the tighter grid pattern actually makes more sense when going layout and fixturing. Like in glue-ups and case work, where there are many things that fall into the 4", 2", 1" sizing. Granted, what you could see is a 50mm x 50mm hole spacing with 16mm holes. But 16mm and 5/8" are nearly identical when it comes to nominal hole size. But I do realize that a 50mm grid would actually kind of screw you up in the long run, should you be using imperial measurements. Unless of course your hole spacing was exactly 50.8mm ;-)
I should have added that based on my familiarity with the metal work fab tables, and since I do both in my shop. I wanted both my woodworking table (and accessories) to be interchangeable with my metal work fab table. So... I actually CNC'd my own 4x8 "MFT" table out of 1" MDF and epoxy laminated on the top and bottom sheets of Dibond, before having the router table cut my table top. I framed the whole thing in Aluminum Extrusion to take advantage of the rail tracks, and use a sacrificial 1/4" piece of MDF with the same holes cut into that.
I am an avid table saw user. Only us tracks to get sheets down to manageable sizes. But this is good info in case I eventually change my approach. It would give me more bench space if I didn't have a table saw. Looking forward to the portable bench build! Thanks Peter!
Glad it was helpful Mark, cheers! 👍
just bought a track saw so re-watching again. i got one of the ebaue ones btw and seems great value for money for £150.
Thanks! Ah, in that case you might like next weeks video, just sayin'... 👍
2022: TSO PG-30/50 works with TSO PGR-16. Both fabulously reliable bits of kit.
I wonder if the next time Lidl or Aldi have the track saws in they'll have some accessories as well since they seem to be very popular
I think they tend to just box-shift, but it would be interesting to see, yes! 👍
Regarding the #BenchDogsUK Guide Rail Dogs and B-Collars, once the collars are in use the bottom end of the guide rail dogs (naturally quite slippery to begin with) become shorter corresponding with the height their set at making grabbing to bottom of the rail dogs to tighten them up much more difficult. I have found using rubberized work gloves aid in improving your purchase on the tail of the rail dogs allowing a much better ability to tighten them from under the worktop. *I use the **#ThisIsCarpentry** MFS (Multi-Function Slab)* Thanks for the video. Informative.
Fantastic insight. Thanks for that. As an aside, could you tell me how I might track down your background music?
Thanks! There are links in the video description to all the useful stuff - including the music 👌End music is "Dialogue" by Dekobe, check it out here: soundcloud.com/dekobe/dialogu...
First of your vids that I have watched. Excellent, loved it. Thankyou ;-)
I own a Domino and just bought a TS55 trak saw setup. Love the Domino and the saw but the Trak itself is only the start. Then you need other tools or instruments get get things to square or a particular angle(more money). I think i'm in trouble! The list of things I th8ink I need are almost endless. The biggest square I have is a mere 300mm. But it is not perfectly square(the trouble begins). I have a smaller Engineers square(chinese) that is about 0.05mm out over its 165mm length. I also found out that the edge of the track (outside Alum edge) does not go all the way down to the surface it is sitting on and therefore the blade of my engineers square is only in partial contact with the edge. I applied a bit of Math to determine my real error after cutting a tabletop (I'm making) to sq. off the end was 1.8mm over the 705 width. Not very good. So then I cut the other end setting up independent of the other and came up with the exact same error. So, I end up measuring each length and found they are both the same. So I have a Parallelogram. Width the same, length the same, Diagonals...1635mm and 1632mm. Oh the pain!!
Now provided with all this new found info my search field is even larger(thanks a lot) but it will be very interesting.
For now, I'm going to get into another of your excellent vids.. Best wishes from Australia!! ;-)
PS hopefully you can understand what I have written. The last time I was in London(at a Train station near the Themes) I asked a man at an information counter for directions to a platform and he told me he couldn't understand a word I said. he said "speak the queens English mun!" After WTF, I pointed to his map and he replied "platform 4 that way(pointing)!!
Great comment, thanks! Ah yes, the perfect parallelogram! Been there! An MFT style top makes a huge difference to getting square, straight cuts. Rail squares too, of course, but then more money, lol! Best wishes from London! 👍👍
Peter reminds me of Jeremy Wade of River Monsters’ fame - Peter’s voice sounds like he could be Jeremy’s brother. :-)
You can also do it by measuring accurately and drawing a line that your track follows... but hey, we love our tools!
I thought I was missing something. Set square to get your 90... track on that line, clamp it if you really need to and away you go. How is that a big overhead ?
@@deanoh6414 yeah, but hey, then the tool industry and CZcams vloggers would be out of business.
Also, tools from China, it seems, are as good as Woodpecker for a literal fraction of the price. But definitely buy USA made and support the troops and Trump!
Great Video as usual Peter. I have built two DYI MFT table tops, one without the UJK PARF guide and one with. I would highly recommend the UJK system. Especially if one is new to the woodworking game. Getting perfectly vertical holes with a forstner bit at precisely the 96mm spacing in 2 dimensions to within a mm/64th of an inch, is NOT easy with a hand drill. And all you have to do is screw up ONE hole somewhere in the middle, and all is lost. I disagree with the MFT comment below. My MFT table, which is made from Home Depot MFT material, has lasted 9 months of constant use and is still as accurate as when I built it. Your grade of MFT is far superior to mine and I believe your original table lasted for years of professional use. If I had to do it over, I would just buy the replacement Festool table and call it a day. It took a LOT of time and effort to make even the second table, so does one want to build shop equipment, or build projects. For those who live across the pond, the TSO rail square guides are available and are quite good. But not at the level of the rail square that you have. Finally, there is a reason that Festool made their MFT top the size they did. I believe that after making a larger top (30in x 60in), I find myself reaching over too far to get to the other side of the table where my custom fence is located. Once is ok but after a couple of hundred times, not so much. The BIG advantage to MFT tops is that once you get one, they are absolute SQUARE and I don't ever have to worry about squareness in using the top, across the ENTIRE SURFACE. Try that with any other solution. Cheers and stay safe.
Thank you! Yes, MFT tops generally last a long time, even in professional use/abuse 👍
Hi Peter, liked the video, as usual great content. Did you switch out the bolts in your rail dogs as mine are a T bolt which has a bit of play in the rail so doesn't give much confidence in them.
Thanks Kenny. No, mine's an older version, had the regular hex bolts which are snug. Might be an option to swap them out of the T-bolts have a bit of play. 👍
Very informative
Very confusing for a super part-time woodworker who has never seen an MTF or rail square system. Lots of parts and things to consider & hurdles to jump over.
I'll stick to old school (less precise) methods for the time being and wait for the portable system you going to do. THX
I also came.across these methods as a new woodworker and found it all very confusing and led to a lot of stress of confusion. I found the far easier way of all these things was to just use a table saw. Far easier and quicker and less faff
@@ChickenDinnerz faff - I had to look that up-:)
I agree - kiss is the better method for part-time hobbyists. That's maybe why after 2 years of having heard about the MTF system - I probably intuitively (or luckily) have not bought into the system yet. If you need a few super straight square cuts - it may be better with less faff to drive to buddies place who has spent cash on premium tools!
Good little run down of the options there mate. Very curious as to what you've come up with for your bench. Oh...and what do you mean "unwieldy"! :)
Cheers Stew! 😂 With arms like mine that's a metre-long and 800 deep accident waiting to happen! 😂 I linked you up in the description, no worries. 👍👌
@@10MinuteWorkshop 😂 Nice one Peter.👍
As I'm discovering, space is really my limiting factor. My kitchen is only just slightly larger than an 8'x4' sheet, my shed is considerably smaller. If I'm going to crack on with these built-ins, I'm going to have to figure out a better way to work within these limitations.
thanks..
I use the railsquare sometimes, in conjunction with my benchdogs fence, if you set the flag, butt piece to the fence, lay a longer rail so it goes beyond the fence you can slide the rail upto the edge of the fence and ensure your railsquare remains tight in both places, repeatable for longer pieces.
Yep, always a way! 👍👍
Thank you Martin. Not sure exactly what you mean but you made me realize there are benefits of the rail square even if you have the fence and rail clips. I.e. You don't need the second guide rail dog. I have been trying to make a modular bench (1200x800 mm) with the L shape addition for longer cuts. With the rail square (and dog attachments) I don't need the MFT bottom to be as deep as the cut 👍
Still interested to here more of your idea. Take care
Peter, as always I really appreciate your short 10 min series. Can I ask what profile extrusion is used on the work bench you use?
Thanks Peter! The MFT I have is an older MFT/1080, which used the standard 8020 extrusion; with the later / current MFT/3 Festool switched to a proprietary extrusion; all the more reason to go old-school! HTH. P
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you, nice to know it is the 80:40 because that is available here in Australia.
Hi Peter, I enjoy your content, thx. I have a question, I noticed you don't leave much of a lead in on your rail, just a tad more than the rail square. This means your starting cut is always plunging. I felt starting the saw at full depth and then entering the cut is better? Although a little unbalanced, interested to hear your thoughts.
Hi Chris than thanks! Yes, when I first started using the Tracksaw system I read this pearl of wisdom many times. Actually, in my experience it doesn’t make a scrap of difference to the cut, and it’s all down to personal preference; if you feel it give a better cut, then feel free to plunge fully first, but for me I simply done see a difference. 👍👍
I really enjoy your videos Peter. Do you have a video about yourself? How you started , what you did before etc.
Thank you! The closest I have is probably a member video about my background as a photographer and how I started out doing handyman work, and grew that into a fitted furniture business - via a couple of kitchens and bathrooms - and then onto doing CZcams. I’ll see if I can dig out a link. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for your reply. In one of your other videos I heard you mentioned you started as a handy man and I assume at later stage in your life and I found it quite interesting
Thanks Peter - excellent video and lot of food for thoughts. In my humble experience (having used some of those methods), for critical cutting I found most secure and safe just to measure before cutting. Operator error (mine ooops) is always the variable which may sometimes kick in, especially if you rely on something that should be guaranteed but in fact it is not. I had some unlucky experience with crosscutting some material supposed to be perfectly straight (and in fact it was reasonably straight for shorter crosscuts). It was a situation when 4 subsequent crosscuts combined one upon other - which should have resulted into perfect joining resulting shape - were off by 2-3mm / 1m in final end. Each small missalignment repeated and added to previous cut finally ends-up with cca 3mm error on 1m of total length And that hurts... Unfortunately it happens once per time and otherwise it is perfectly OK. From that time I always remind myself - slow down and measure.
i guess im randomly asking but does anyone know a tool to log back into an instagram account..?
I somehow lost my password. I love any help you can offer me!
@Cole Julio instablaster :)
@Baylor Ben i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm trying it out now.
Takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
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@Cole Julio Glad I could help :)
Great video - apologies for the random comment, but is your workshop insulated in any way? I see a lot of bare brick and wondering if it gets too cold in the winter?
Thanks! No, but the place is heated (kind of - the heating pipes for the building run through it) so not an issue - actually quite the opposite, it’s like a kiln most of the time! 😝😅👍
Can i lower my bucket into your well of excellent knowledge of all things track saw and rail squares..... Do you know if the ''Festool 90 Degree Guide Rail Edge Square FS-WA/90
'' is compatible with the Makita guide rail....?
It’s a rebranded TSO square, which is sold as fitting Makita trails, so I wouldn’t expect to have any problems with it.👍
The 96mm grid comes from the 32mm system used by mass-produced furniture. Like the shelf pin holes in an Ikea cabinet.
Yes, like I say in the video, there are links in the description that go into this in detail. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop All well and good, but I don't see why 3x32 mentioned. So wanted to provide the information for those wondering :)
Again, too much detail for this video, but links were provided for those interested. It gets more attention in an upcoming video. 👍👍
I have assumed that the 96mm centers were simply three times the 32mm cabinet standard. Maybe I should watch the video to find out if I was wrong.
Hi Peter, great vid! I’m considering a track saw to replace my radial arm saw in my workshop. I use this saw because it allows me to have a large cross cut capacity plus the ability to switch position to a 45 degree bevel cut for my trim work. Of all your ts vids, I’ve not seen one where you use it for bevel work, is it just as accurate?
Simple truth is that I don't do many bevel cuts, but yes it's very accurate - see video 432 Bedside cabinet czcams.com/video/aJNzOZCHrGU/video.html for the most recent examples in 25mm Birch ply.
@@10MinuteWorkshop great thanks
Hi Peter, great video as always. Does the MK2 rail square fits the Excel rail you recomended?
Yes it will; the excel rail is identical to the Makita pattern rail.👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you so much for this prompt reply
Personally I prefer the festtol square over the bench dogs, it's spot on every cut and quicker to attach - detach from the rail.
And half the price of the tso version too.
Great video 👌 do you have any quick convenient methods of making repeatable cuts for small rips e.g 50mm or so? A table saw would ideally be suited for this I know. But I have struggled in the past trying to do these kind of cuts, working on the wrong side of the splinter guard I've found not to be particular accurate/repeatable or easy to set up
Thanks! Yes, narrow Rios can be a pain to get accurate. Best way I’ve found is to use the DIY waste-side parallel guides - I showed those in the Tracksaw workshop series, links in description - or if it’s just a one-off then the Strawbyte waste side jigs are excellent - Strawbyte waste side jigs - bit.ly/Strawbyte_jigs 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop cheers I'll give it a go 👍
I have set up a cutting station for the track saw which uses a rail square for squareness, but adds options for repeatative cuts of pieces of almost any size (down to millimeters) -- also on for waste side cuts if needed / wanted. My son wanted to make some CZcams content, so we showed our setup on our channel in the hope otheres might benefit from the idea. Cost is around 50 Euros for the cutting station. This replaces my non-existent table saw. Together with the router I rarely miss a table saw. Sometimes a band saw could be the better or sometimes even the only solution I am aware off. But please take a look at my cutting station and see if that might help and post any ideas or questions you might have. Maybe we'll do an english version of the video also.
Hi Peter, first of all I love your channel. I have a question about the point you make at time point 8.22 in this video. Do you suggest having a fatter pair of benchdogs for the workpiece to bear against so that the dogs attached to the rail won’t be worn down over time? Or is it to provide points of contact that are far apart? I have the benchdogs rail square and a home made 4x4 MFT too done with the Parf guide system. This video addresses many of the queries I’ve had so far and it would be good to incorporate the rail square in the day to day work but I do find it’s a bit sticky in the top due to the tolerances. Cross cutting full width sheets is obviously a bit more challenging without a larger work surface. If I only anchored the rail onto the top on one end with the rail square I could let the last few inches of the workpiece hang off the back of the top. Hope this makes sense! Thanks
Hi Ketan, and thanks! Sorry if I wasn’t clear; when you put collars around the MFT dogs, they effectively become 30mm dogs, and ‘normal’ dogs are 25mm, so you can’t bear against a pair of regular Benchdogs *and* the MFT dogs with collar. Benchdogs make a 30mm dog for this purpose - comes as part of the set, I assume they can be bought as a part. 👍 And yes, for longer cuts you can always use the rail square and also anchor the far end with a clamp. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter, makes perfect sense now
Thanks for this overview. I have a Dewalt DW745 right now and my shed is tiny so things can become a bit unwieldy due to needing twice the workpiece length in space. As a side note, it's note as accurate as I'd like. Because of this I am considering selling it getting a track saw solution and this video helps a lot.
You may have covered this in another video but how do you go about making long, thin rip cuts on stock that is already fairly narrow? As that's where my table saw really shines and it seems to be the only sticking point in my mind as to whether I want to sell it or not.
Thanks! Long thin repetitive rips are just about the only time I turn to the table saw, tbh, but you can do them with a bit of ingenuity, usually involving some tape and a balancer board of the same thickness as the workpiece to ‘extend’ the reach so the rails stays flat. HTH P
long thin rip cuts can be done very good with a track saw, when you use Bosch Or Mafell. Clamp the piece to cut to the underside of the rail. There are two grooves on the underside of the Bosch tracks. I'll upload a video, likely soon, where I'll show how to do that. You can look on my channel where I have a video (currently in german only) explaining / showing how to cut also small pieces with the track saw.
Track saw gems from the doyen of the machine.
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Hi Peter thanks for the really good content just a question will the excel track fit the titan track saw thankyou
The excel track is a dead ringer for the makita, so pretty sure it will. Maybe check the ‘which rails work’ video, czcams.com/video/_HtpT_bK7zw/video.html can’t remember if I tried all saws on all rails or not tbh. 👍
The excel track is a dead ringer for the makita, so pretty sure it will. Maybe check the ‘which rails work’ video, czcams.com/video/_HtpT_bK7zw/video.html can’t remember if I tried all saws on all rails or not tbh. 👍
Thanks Peter
What about the Festool Parallel Guides? And what are the options, Festool, TSO triangle, that combine square with angled cuts, please?
In all seriousness, what about them? This video’s all about comparing the relative merits of rail square or MFT/MFT style top for getting a square cut. Parallel guides are great for - you know - parallel cuts ie rips, and I’ve never used the TSO square - if I ever get my hands in one I’ll consider a video on it. 👍👍
omg, a whole new world opens for me!
all these videos are making me feel i dont need to replace the table saw my kind next door neighbour burnt for me last year but they are causing me a headache in the way of which track saw to purchase instead of a table saw. can i ask if you have to make longer cuts do you opt for two rails joined or do you go for a single long rail?
When I first started out all I had was two 1400 rails and a saw - I cut literally miles of board with that setup without any problems at all. Sure, these days I have longer rails and if you have them you use them, generally. If you do it a lot, a long rail is well worth it, provided you have somewhere to store it, but if it's only the occasional full rip, then two rails joined worked fine for me. 👍
Hi Peter, just out of curiosity if you were like a lot of other home diyers without a workshop and only something like an old portable black decker workmate what option would you choose? I know this is a very general question and people will say it’s a case of horses for courses depending on what you are doing
You can set up the MFT top on a workmate and have both, but in all honesty for that kind of thing a rail square and an extra trestle for support off the workmate would be the way I’d go. 👍👍
Can’t say enough good about your videos Peter, thank you.... I’ve been having a gripe with the Rail Squares, where, testing the TSO, Benchdogs, Taiga... I find that the squareness is not quite there. There are inconsistencies in getting the rails to square up to the rail square. Now I’ve tried several rails, 3 Festool 1400 and 800, two Makitas, and even the bosh and mafell rails. I find that is quite difficult to get them squared... The TSO and the Taiga seem to align the best to either the Festool of Makita rails, I thing their pull mechanism to attaching the rail, where they pull the rail on to the edge (and the Taiga has the longes edge) of the rails squares, but even in my (prettiness tool caring environment, where I do it for hobby) there is just too much inconsistencies, the play needed to properly bind the two is white enough that you can get enywhere from .5mm to longer that 2mm off. Even @0.5º off on the rails, over 800mm that is .6mm off. Curious how well you faired on the squareness... I see that @7:25 you are getting very similar results... ;) Thoughts? See the conversation over at the Festool or Mafell forums on FB.
At 7:25 it looks fine. Did you see that different? I have the Taiga square with a Bosch rail and as accurate I can measure it's as square as I can assess. If you attach it correctly, I do not see how the rail could be out of square!? I have some videos about my setup on my channel (in german), where I give a few tips around that topic. Two tips especially interesting for owners of the Taiga Tools square
@@dingensundbummens Yes, I have seen your channel and you are using a taiga square on a Bosch rail I think ( I just remember your square been red). Well, go have a better look you can see that while the edge on the corner looks great, the far end is off from the perspective of the camera... What I have seen is that, the BenchDog Squares, get out of square since there is enough play to fit to the rail, and that gets of the square, all you need is a filler gauge and you can see what I mean. The Taiga, TSO and FC Tools, the pull in the rail on to the edge of the square, getting a tighter fitting. Go to tether the Mafell or Festool FB user groups and you can read all about my experience with photos there.
Great video and now I want to make a square but I can't figure out what latch you used. Do you have a link or spec? Thanks.
Thanks! Bought them off Amazon - amzn.to/3sbKSlE 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks, Peter!
I was a lot closer to 40 than mid 40’s when you first mentioned a mobile bench 😂
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That was awesome ✨
Wondering if you would (if me) cut one of your festool tracks in half to use it as a cross cut track or not?
I find every time I want to use the festool TS to make CrossCuts that are not full width, it’s a hot mess with the length and I just get flipping frustrated and use the table saw instead.... arrgggg. 😉 ideas/expert advice? I have two long tracks just not sure if I should butcher one of them for this purpose. They are pricey as you know.
Thank you.
Toughest thing I ever did was to cut my 3-metre rail down to 2100/900. You can buy an 800mm rail, 1080 rail, or all kinds or 3rd party rails that are cheaper than the Festool originals, but yeah, I understand completely. 🤷♂️👍
I got a makita rail and cut it into a 600 and a 900, both are very handy. Especially the 600 with a rail square on it.
No Skills thanks! I was torn but seems like this is the better way to go. I think Mr. Millard shared tips on other non FS brands that may work. If Marita is the best match I will go with it. I heard from reviews that it doesn’t track as snug is that a concern ? I do have the right angle cut plate?
Emanuel Matos I would buy whatever is compatible and the best deal at the time.
Hi Peter, loving your channel! Do you have a link to the slightly fatter bench dogs that correspond with the b collars? I can't seem to find them at benchdogs.co.uk? Or do all the benchdogs.co.uk dogs have a 30mm head? Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Thanks Nils! The ones I have came as part of the kit, so I don’t have a link I’m sorry. Give Benchdogs a shout, they should be able to help you. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter, will do!
Just ordered the railsquare! I was wondering, are the grooved adapters parallel to the base of the square just like the bevel adapters? If so, why not use the grooved adapters as big bevel adapters?