My Workbench Gets Upgraded!
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2022
- In this video I start upgrading my main workbench and I say goodbye to the MFT top which I'd like to say served me well, but it really didn't!
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The author does like to czcams.com/users/postUgkxkNYRBJuiJ6EwD-tQSAlxg0eFKsnR2cgz from scratch, shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practice the full stack project, is still great.
If it's any consolation I think the grey looks fab - it's got that industrial no nonsense vibe.
Thank you!
I also love the grey! lol
I think the grey looks great!
I really like that you show the inperfections, i think its important cause that makes other wood workers feel that they aint the only ones that can cant get a 100% gapfree glue-up
Chunky is definitely the way forward. I totally agree regarding the whole MFT setup; I just don't use the table the way I thought I would. And as for the wee bits and pieces dropping through the holes, yes, very annoying! I did think that I'd use it with the plunge saw, but as I bought a couple of rail squares - BenchdogsUK and TSO - I don't! For everything else, I just use my table saw.
I've been given an old woodworking bench with an excellent vice attached - I think it has been around for over 40 years, and I'll be using that instead.
I'll look forward to the next instalment. Thanks for taking the time to share!
I love how much use you get from reclaimed wood. Superb again Keitho!
Brilliant, Keith! 😃
A workbench like this is definitely much better!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Whenever I’ve seen Peter Millard’s channel I’m always super impressed by his system of work and how he uses his MFT. Everything flows and he never seems to run out of hands using his hold-down clamps and jigs. It always makes me think i want one until I actually start planning it and then I realise how much I like my English style traditional workbench (made from 4” fence posts, scaffold boards and an old pine kitchen table rescued from a skip) and realise how much I would miss it. I can batter it with mallets and hammers, dump stuff on it, chisel on it, screw stuff down to it, thump my holdfasts through it and batter them loose again, plonk heavy machinery on it, spill stuff on it and even sit and stand on it and all it ever requires is a flick with the sander, maybe some filler for the worst holes and over-cuts, and a wipe with some Danish oil and it’s almost as good as new. Good luck and good on yer to all the MFT table users but for my money you go along way to beat the utility of an old fashioned heavy pine work bench that never moves and will certainly outlast me.
I'm just getting into woodworking. I started by building a simple, more-or-less traditional workbench using 2x4s, metal corner braces, and a plywood top. Then, about 5 seconds after I finished building it, I discovered the MFT concept.
@@kdietz65 same here and I came with an idea of a replaceable top cover, which can either an MDF or a solid ply. I can hammer the hell out of the top cover and my shiny bench stay clean and intact underneath.
There's a video by Walnut Workshop on how to joint two adjoining large pieces of lumber by butting them together and running a plunge saw right through the gap. Might be worth a look
A tracksaw-guided router works too !!
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great build. i recommend taking the majority of the waste with a electric planer then finessing by hand. less sweat required :P
That is a fine looking bench top. Can't wait to see what comes next! Well done Keith 😁
It's much nicer to have some thing solid and chunky I can really hammer down on. Agreed.
Always interesting to see different perspectives and preferences for workbenches . I just built a new one using pine with a construction plywood top. It has support from the frame to make it a two man lift along with a plywood shelf and six legs. I was looking at mdf but opted for ply instead. I’m pleased with the results and I will see how it shares up over time.
Nice, love how you use recycled lumber so often.
That's just brilliant, got quite a few tips from this as well. The masking tape tip is inspired. When i built my workshop (and its extension) i looked around at work bench options. But the most cost effective , and the best way to make use of the space was to make my own using 3x2 and 18mm ply. Tied it into the fabric of the workshop and faced the top with some 2mm ally sheet. Which made a very solid L shaped bench and good under bench storage. As you say, its what works for the individual.
And there was me thinking you were practicing your car modeling poses! Great video Keith. I don't even have a work bench so I'm using you're one from the safety of my arm chair. 😁😋👍
Thank you for using available material for the top. Dowel plugs, splice and patch = fully functional and affordable workbench top!
Very nice work and lovely to see competent use of smoothing planes! Takes me back to my childhood. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
Nice bench top. After dithering about for a few years I gave up the notion of a MFT top too. Your changeover is confirmation of my final decision. Thanks.
Looking goid! Both the bench and the model 👌 Thanks fiemr sharing!
I think you did a fantastic job on that work bench considering all reclaimed timber.
That's a great , heavy duty , chunky surface. I'm looking forward to the next instalment.
Lift with the knees, not the back, lol.
Great job. With all the timber in that new top, I’m sure it will out last you. Happy for it to be bequeathed to me 😮
Ha! A dramatic re-enactment of band saw operation! That was awesome...
Good job, well done and thanks for the info and entertainment.
Thank you, very nice your daughter helped you.
🤣👍
As always loved the reconstruction 😁
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I had plans of removing my chipboard bench top & knocking up an MFT set up, but after seeing your vid I'll follow your lead.
I only have the one table & a more rugged top will be handy, as I'm often belt metal around on it.
Being in my 70s my plan will be to glue & screw layers of MDF together as I go in situ.
Thanks for the helpful tips mate, you're a champion. 👍
I really like the grey finish........ You've set me thinking!
Today I learnt two things, in out planing and a clever way to make a template. Good looking bench too. I put a sheet of hardboard on the top of mine. When it gets scruffy I just pull it off an put a new one on.
Grey stain looks great I think mate. I'm an mft user but have plans for a similar size walloping bench w/front vice etc. Long overdue. You might have just spurred me on.👍
Cheers mate 👌
Well done on the hand plane work.
Sturdy benchtop, Keith, looks awesome!
Good call. No substitute for a hulking great solid bench top. Far more pleasing to work on.
That ‘reconstruction’ was brilliant 😂🤣
Brilliant job mate and the grey looks great 👍.... looking for to follow up videos
Nice build. Its amazing how heavy pine can be when you join lots of it together. I have the same issue with my Metabo planer with long boards also, they always need a little handwork to get a tight fit on the edges.
Cheers Karl, good to know it's not just bad technique! 😁
@@RagnBoneBrown what I've found really helps when running large timber over a small jointer is to go over the wood with a srub plane to remove any high spots amd twist before using the machine. Because the beds of the jointer aren't long enough to give a good reference for the whole board, getting rid of any highs/twist prior to machining makes a big difference...
That is one serious bench top. I quite like the grey.
Could see the outfeed bed of the jointer sloping away from the cutter head as the heavy boards were being passed through. Maybe need a support at the end of the bed to keep it true.
Yeah I wish I'd have reviewed the footage before I continued 🤦🏻♂️
@@RagnBoneBrown Maybe rescuing and rehabilitating an older cast iron jointer would be a worthy exercise. I've one that's at least 40 years old. Noisy as hell, but rock solid.
To my eye it looks like the outfield table is not 'co-planer' with the indeed, which is why it looks like its sloping away. A bit of shimming under the table will sort it out. It happens on older planers too, I spend a day or two shimming my 1940s Wadkin planer tables and I'm currently doing it on a lovely little 70s Inca surface planer.
Personally for the jointing I would have clamped the pieces together then clamped a piece of scrap under each end holding them together. Then removed the clamps holding them all tight so that I could run the track saw up each joint. This gives a near perfect join. Really useful for big panels.
Was where I got the idea
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Came here to suggest same. Beat me to it.
I've done that for a kitchen worktop made from scaffolding boards, issue here was his saw didn't run all the way through the material so it would involve flipping. Not impossible but a chance of error / chasing your tale.
@@TheBrick2 true but the final depth I don't remember being mentioned, I only have a cheap erbauer saw, but the benefit is it has the increased depth of cut over most other tracksaws.
The bandsaw reconstruction bit got me. Cheers
Please add in the ‘reconstruction’ segments in all your videos, even if you have the original footage! So funny 😂
That masking tape transfer trick is genius. Will remember for future use.
kerfing to close the gap between boards. Clamp the boards down as close as you can get them. Run a circular saw thru the gap, the kerf of the saw will remove the wood between the boards and they will fit closer. repeat until you are happy with the fit.
I have bounced back and forth between MFT and otherwise. I have one bench of each like you chose, then changed! Can't wait to see what you do with the new bench top. Oh crap, that means I might be changing mine, too! Don't get too good with the new top, I can't afford a new bench top right now!!!!!! Nice video!
As a one man shop I have the same trouble with gaps left by the planer. My solution is to just use the 25mm glue. I buy it in one liter tubes, fifty at a time. Since I work alone and don't post on CZcams, no one complains.
that looks solid Keith nice one mate. it'll last a good many years too 👍🏻👍🏻
Keith - I'm pleased for you - a workbench with lots of lovely mass. No bouncing when Hand planing, hammering or chopping out.
Don't have MFT - thought about buying one for my portable bench system but for the workshop I just don't see the benefit.
"Reconstruction"?? Oooh fancy- next you'll be doing animation. Nice chunky top for the bench.
I build something similar about 25 years ago, seven feet long, so yes I know how heavy it is!!
I subbed just on the patch tip with the masking tape and pencil rub. I don't have a bandsaw but a jigsaw set at a slight angle and make the top of the plug slightly larger should create a snug fit.
Lovely to see you use the Paul Sellers Thor mallet, I bought one about four months ago thinking it may be useful, it is almost glued to my hand now, just the loveliest thing to have at work.
Hey Keith, if I was in that situation with the boards not joining up great for glueing after surfacing on a small machine like yours,which I have something similar I would use a heavy duty flush trim router bit on a half inch router and a good straight edge guide to straighten the edge on the boards, not faulting what you did just saying what I would have done, always enjoy watching your videos
I use the table saw face up/down method and would recommend as it's quick and easy and possibly less mess to clear up. I don't have a 1/2 router or surface planer so it's a good alternative.
Love the "recreation" of cutting out the plug! We've all been there!
Much tidier than my workbench top when I had no idea what I was doing LOL
Good job fella!
Having made quite a few 'Rubo' benches for sale. I know what you mean by heavy for a one man show. In my personal bench, I made a series of dog holes that do not get used that often, and yes loose screws etc. Consensus is that soft pine is good for the top as it will 'Give' rather than denting and marking your work in progress. Nice build and I'm sure it will last a lifetime.
Looks good. I’m going to build my first big workbench soon, a Roubo using Stumpy Nubs plans. Think I’m also going to need a bit of muscle to move the top around. Great video.
Great vid thanks, totally agree with you, the MFT is a good bit of kit but not for everyone, like you I prefer a solid top workbench, have a great weekend, and keep 'em coming,
good build. I made mine out of 3x6s, and yes it;s bloody heavy
The new bench looks very good. I can imagine how heavy it is. I do not get good results using my jointer (US term for planer) in general. I also would struggle with long boards. If I need to get a decent straight edge, I prefer to use a metal track/straight edge and a router with a long bit. The depth of your top may require routing from the top then filling and routing from the bottom.
In the US Southern Yellow Pine is a less expensive wood than hard maple for bench tops. It is a lot more dense than other pine/spruce/fir species.
Dave.
US term for the jointer is..
Jointer.
I did a desktop from planks of maple a while back and it's reassuring to see you having the same issues with your jointer that I had in getting them to line up when glueing them together. I really need to get more experience with a hand plane in order to correct these things. As for levelling the surface, again I skipped the hand plane and went straight to a belt sander, remember to try and sand in the direction of the wood grain, otherwise you end up with sanding scratches going across the wood. Finally finishing up with lots of random orbit and iin my case, a bit of polyurethane varnish for smooth and durable finish. Nice work!
Nicely done 👌
I think you have to work the way you want to. I replaced my bench with a MFT and it’s great but there are times when I miss my solid woodworks bench. No room for the two and most of what I do now uses MDF etc. Good on you.
I never thought I could enjoy such a channel more! Concise content, no fat.
Thank you
looks great!
lovely work.
The bandsaw re-enactment was worth the price of admission! Great job!
Thank fuck admission was free.🤣
looking forward to the next video about it, I'm curious what you are gonna use instead of benchdog holes
i for one really like the colour. I bet that pine is very old and much better quality slow grown so will maybe do better with expanion contrction . Very much enjoy your pod cast
Another great video Keith. Just posting to say that your tips for buying reclaimed wood has proved useful to me. Needed to buy some replacement fence posts. Checked Facebook market place and was successful. Found some in very good condition and was able to buy a few more for a decking project.Significant saving over timber merchants/diy sheds. Keep up the excellent content. Regards Edward.
Thank you
100% Crack Up at the bandsaw "reconstruction" [7:25] ...fantastic
Great video, really enjoyed this one. I like the grey colour
Nice one Keith... That bandsaw reconstruction was brill. and the sexy pose at the end
Nice bench! The underside looks great! ;)
The band saw reconstruction was totally convincing. Lol. Great work man!!
You should look into getting yourself a pinpointer. I use the garrett at pro. Run this across your wood and it will tell you if there is any metal in your wood. They are highly sensitive and will alert you to even a fragment of metal that is lodged in your wood. It has saved my day loads of times, not to mention how many blades it has saved on my planer joiner. Have a look at them on you tube plenty of videos.
no more pining for a new benchtop... 😉
but still for the Fjords...😆
@@a..d5518 Well I was going with "pine" puns, but I'll allow this one...
That's looks great , you can't beat a good solid bench especially when you're using it everyday, good to see you using a hand planner aswell, everyone always goes for a power tool nowadays, I know it's for speed but it's taken the skill out of a lot of trades
The grey looks great Keith and as you say it'll last forever its to work on and create memories so every chip n stain will be a part of your working life great job again keith😁
Certainly think enough pretty much indestructible I quite liked the grey
Badger workshop has the best idea for MFT worktops. You spend two days drilling them holes all perfectly positioned then run a track saw all over everything to a good depth. But seriously don’t stop what you do in the end a good old plane gave the results CZcams is full of action vids of tablesaws cutting up ply sheets. And then everything is assembled in the crudest manner if people hate real woodwork so much why do it?
Thank you.
absolute skills
Great job Keith, could you put some 5mm ply on top you could sacrifice and save that nice surface what you have worked hard on, up to you Mate, have a nice day both !!!.
Cheers Brian, it's a good idea but it won't work with my work holding plans... 👍
love it,good job!
The bandsaw reconstruction bit cracked me up, that was brilliant 🤣
Nice benchtop mate, all things considered. 👍🏼
In the "old days" i remember work bench tops would be covered in hardboard. When they became damaged, instead of the amount of work needed to sort out the actual top itself, you just change the sheet of hardboard.
I have made a solid roubo bench (courtesy to Christopher Schwarz) with a replaceable top sheet - either an MFT mdf sheet or a solid ply. Very easy and my actual bench underneath stay clean and shiny.
I like that rubbing transfer trick
It's a shame they're not making episodes of 999 with Michael Beurk anymore, I reckon your reconstructions could have got you a job on tv. 🤣
That comment brought back memories! I used to love that show - just did a quick search on CZcams and you can get the theme tune and some episodes!
I have an mft top and I only use 2 holes just to push a work piece up against! The rest of the holes just let dust through onto my tools underneath!
Great video!
I agree for most people working on site any bench will do,I have the MFT with all the bits and pieces.
Looks great but need to use old school methods.
Nice build. I'm a big fan of Peter Millard but in the year I've had my MFT I think it has frustrated me more than it has been useful.
My new solution is a 'mini' torsion box MFT which attaches to my main workbench via three dogs & gives me a raised worktop when needed (to save my back) and also slots into the top of a large wheeled Stanley tool chest when I'm out & about.
I might fill in some of the existing 20mm holes on my workbench, as I'm sick of dropping stuff down them, and just keep a few in strategic spots for clamping stuff down with Bessey clamps when needed.
If I ever get a larger workshop I may try a stand alone MFT again but right now I just find other tools more convenient than the tracksaw, unless I need a long rip & then I mark up the workpiece & clamp the rail in place to make the cut.
That pretty much mirrors my experience
Oh I thought you were testing out a new sexy pose on the work bench! Hahaha. I keep going back on forth on the tables with holes usefulness. Nice job.
Ha ha! Thanks Janet 👍
This is the best pro woodworking channel that we who are noobs can relate to.
Great video. I have a question bout belt sanders , I'm trying to flatten to reclaimed scaffolding boards so sanded from 60 grit to 120 but I'm getting wavey lunes in the boards. Is this the sander?
Difficult to say without seeing them
On a side note if you ever wanted to use the MFT you can always use two piano hinges on the ends of your new bench top and flip them over to once again have an MFT.
That reconstruction was seamless 🤣
I think if you work almost exclusively with sheet materials the MFT is fine but for those of us working with reclaimed timber and making frame-built furniture the table saw and solid bench suits us better. Interesting to see how worked with the bigger timber illustrated that so well. Great video, thanks for sharing your work.
Couldn't put it better myself 👍
Great video Keith nice to see you using old timber did see you didn’t use your crown Guard to its full ability as we are all ways told at work but l must admit if was in my own workshop l would do the same l had to laugh at the second shot off the cut on the band saw 🤣 then there is you laying on your work bench there was l just thinking you was showing how strong 💪 it is 🤣 my bench at work l just made out off 4x3 cls then put 4x8 sheet of 18mm chip board with 9mm mdf board on top which l can replace when it’s got lots of holes and worn out can’t wait to see whats next take care 👍
Such a cool channel. Everything about it is 👍🏼
Thank you
Awesome i have a similar build coming up!!
Do you reckon 6.5 cm is thick enough for a top like this? I have 14x5 reclaimed lumber and i was thinking if cutting it in half
I really enjoyed this video!