Dorian Yates Talks Bad About Arnold! (MUST SEE)
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
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Personally, I prefer Arnold’s “Golden Age” physique to Dorian’s greater mass and conditioning. But as human beings, Dorian stands head and shoulders above Arnold and I believe his methods are waaaaayyyy more effective for 99% of people.
Of course they are, menzer was his trainer and menzer knew always better then Arnold
When I read Schwarzenegger’s routines now, it’s just a mind boggling number of sets. It’s pump training, an exercise in endurance. If he’d pushed more by going failure sometimes as he did in the movie (because it looked better) instead of pulling up short as sadly was the norm when camera was off, so many of those sets would’ve been unnecessary. In middle age I evolved into modified hit, 3-6 sets per muscle, going to positive failure. It’s just as effective or more than higher sets.
@@hardcorehouseI'll give it a try
@@faithhouse6111 back 2-3 sets to failure pull-ups, same 2-3 sets for rows. Tris 2-3 sets extensions, 2-3 sets dip machine, etc
Yates' methods only worked because of the drug regimen he was on. He would have responded to any routine. The other thing to consider is how these guys look when they retire from the sport. Many of the bodybuilders from the 70s and 80s look much healthier and are aging better than those who came later.
While you have to admire Yates' ability to push his own body into uncharted territory and achieving something incredible, I'm with Arnold when it comes to the overall state of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding probably would have been more popular if it had stayed less juiced and less freaky, with more natural and aesthetically pleasing silver/golden era physiques. It also seems like it was safer for the athletes back then, as bodybuilders today seem to die at an alarming rate.
GH and IGF1 plus Insulin is not something to be on long term
Arnold is just filthy because today’s Pros are all bigger than he ever was. BB has been evolving since it’s inception and what was Arnold attempting to achieve back then? He wanted to be the biggest on Earth and did everything he possibly could by training as hard as his body would allow while ingesting as many stacked ‘roid cycles as his physician would prescribe. Same goes for the athletes today. The only difference is that modern pharmaceutical companies have developed a larger variety of more potent steroids and the athletes are more savvy in terms of dietary / training requirements for maximum growth. That’s what the Open category and the Olympia is all about : The biggest and best. There are plenty of lesser categories to invest your time in if mass monsters don’t float your boat. It’s not a modelling pageant after all … it always has been and always will be a freak show. No spectators would attend the competitions if the competitors’ physiques were achievable by the average man on steroids. We all want to witness the the most gifted genetic superhumans the human race has to offer … in their most extreme form of musculature physically possible.
Edit : If restrictions were ever imposed at the 2 major Open events, another organisation will simply fill the void and both the athletes / fans will join their ranks in droves.
They probably weren't less juiced its just today "supplements" are far superior to those back in the 70's
That may be correct. I, too, would have preferred the aesthetics. But in the end, the bodybuilders simply delivered what the audience demanded.
@@techwood1233
Are you serious?
Dorian Yates was Mike Mentzer's revenge on the bodybuilding industry with his High Intensity Training! Aka HIT.
You can just see the very early beginning of the bubble gut era with Dorian.
@covingtoncreek7790
Not Really the True Bubble Gut Era started arround 1999 and reached its Peak when Kai Green and Phil Heath shared the Stage.
Yeah I started noticing the beginning of the Dorian bubble gut early on too. Not like those that came after him but it was there.
That’s what Arnold criticized, the bubble guts, not that guys were huge.
@@Observe555 True
So happy to see the comments here preferring 70s physiques to 90s.
I thought I was alone on this.
Dorian is an absolute legend of the sport. Love or hate Arnold, but without him, it's questionable if people like Yates could be making the living they are today.
Yes, with Arnold the shrinking testicle age started!
Dorian thinking Arnold is jealous of him is laughable. “Arnold is for Arnold.” Dorian, what have you done for others without receiving benefits? Nothing.
@@Observe555 True, he was bigger than the sport bc of his acting career but Olympia gave him the platform to be a star. But IF looking at just bodybuilding & aesthetics - Arnold's legs especially in his last Olympia was Weak AF, maybe thats why he talked down mass-monsters considering he was usually one of the biggest in size and height in stature - hypocritical but typical of him to say that. Oh its true, its true!
@@SortaDopeIGuess Arnold's pec's are still the best ever as are his biceps. He had a 57" chest, 22 1/2" arms, and 20" calves. Arnold WAS a mass monster! WTF? The only guy that had enormous thighs in the 70's was Platz.
@@haroldjohnson2100 Those are claimed measurements. His actual stats were much lower. When someone measure his biceps they were a bit over 18". Arnold was, and still is, a pathological liar, and he's proud of it.
My personal interest in bodybuilding was only 70ies and 80ies, the golden era, when these shredded guys looked good back in the days. Those mass monsters have nothing in common with them, you can't compare them. It ruined this sport so hard. Who wants that?
Although I dislike Arnold's politics I'd take his physique over any of the mass monsters and especially the bloated ninja turtles I see these days.
I've no idea about body building, but my opinion is Arnold's physique looked brilliant compared to Dorian's.
In the end mate isn’t that all that matters, it’s all about opinion.
True you don't have any idea about bodybuilding
prime dorian would have made arnold look like his daughter
There was an occasion when Arnold’s legs looked great.Seeing him at his best from that photo he looked impressive.Seeing him at his best at competition’s when he flexed his muscles I’ve yet to see better in bodybuilding.He and Lou Ferrignio had a healthy and aesthetic look to them at their best.They made you want to take up bodybuilding.Dorian Yates didn’t have the length of limbs to match Arnie, and Louies’ aesthetic,however I noticed he never said he hated Arnie at any time.Dorians’ path led him to success,I hope he hasn’t hurt himself too much.
No, he's still pretty healthy. There's some videos of him training people on CZcams.
dorian….Roger walker…..boyer Coe …..and the late mike mentzer are the only bodybuilders that refuse to kiss Arnold's backside…..it's quite refreshing!!!!!
For me, they've never looked as good as they did in Arnold's era. Now I find it quite off-putting.
They all look like mutants now just trying to be the biggest. Zane/ Arnold/ Haney era was, by far, the best no debate. Full packages. 💪🏾💯
Just because you like their physiques and are more pleasing to the average person doesn’t mean they are the best in the sport
Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean their opinion is worth more or less than anyone else's. What may be considered best by one may be considered less by someone else. There is no right or wrong here, it's just simply opinions.
@@Nordicroo I don't know what you mean by good looking but I guess you mean a good combination of proportion, mass, and aestetically pleasing. In that case I would say the current Classic Physique is better than Arnold's era
@Tyrone Jones Yeah it does. Looking inhuman and being unhealthy with a big gut should not be the goal.
I prefer the old school aesthetics too, beauty is very underrated in the modern world. Architecture is another fine example of this.
Arnold had no legs. Welp, that ends this discussion.
I can't stand Arnold, I think he is a lying asshat ... but his '74 legs were beyond excellent & in proportion
Its funny that nobody ever accused arnold of starting the mass monster era as he was the biggest and heaviest during his reign at the top of the sport.
One thing Yates and arnold agree on is that modern day bodybuilders lack conditioning and go for size above all else. At least they were dry and cut.
100% you know your stuff . Big like theses silly brain dead that call him bicepless Dorian ! Ok he wasn’t at his best in 97 but 90% of his body was still mind blowing
Wrong Ferigno damn near dwarfed Arnold on stage
@@justinspires4131Ferigno came at the end of his competitive career in the mid 70's and they competed against each other in the mr.olympia how many times? Twice?
Who won? Arnold, ferigno finished 2nd in 74 and third in 75 then unofficially retired until the early 90's.
So in all but possibly 2 olympia's arnold dwarfed his competition.
Arnold is just a little angry that Mike Mentzers training style made someone Mr Olympia and not only once but 6 times in a row in the most difficult era of bodybuilding
I think you may be on to something there
Lol, none of them got big with H.I.T They were already very developed .
It didn't though. Metzer trained like other bodybuilders to get big, then adapted a theory that would easily sell books and lectures to suckers and beginners. Metzer is a philosopher
@@michelrood2966 What you are missing is HIT and Andarol go hand and hand. You cycle Anadrol with large doses of Test & Deca. Remember Anadrol is liver toxic so 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. The Anadrol increases your strength and so during those 4 weeks you HIT train and push the weights up. This is what created the Mass Monsters most of all not the GH.
This is what Dorian discovered. So it was the new drug and HIT Training together. Levrone, Nassar and the rest of them caught on and were on the Anadrol as well.
Ronnie Coleman used the exact same formula to bulk right up.
DY didnt train like that his whole career, he did so later on !!!
Being recognized as making growth hormone popular is not a great legacy. Arnold is right - the "big gut" look is not marketable to a broad audience. On top of all this, many bodybuilders are dying at younger and younger ages from the latest drug combinations and those who survived are not aging well. I bet Ronnie Coleman would give back a few of those Olympia titles to have one day pain free and not need the endless surgeries he has endured.
Ronny once said the only thing he regretted was that he didn't squatted the 800 pound 4 times, but only 2 times because he chickend out.
Arnold was considered a pioneer of mass in his day too compared to what came before him.
It is true that the Arnold era was the best looking bodybuilders of all time. Bigger is not better only in war and she said love.
Of coarse Arnold doesn't go to Mr Olympia. He owns the Arnold classic lmfao
Someone needs to bring these two together for a podcast.
isn't growth hormone expensive?
You showed one clip of him saying arnold does what's good for arnold clickbait unsubscribed
Come back soon mate
@@alphabodybuildingtv When are you thinking?
There should be balance between golden age and mass monster bodybuilding to appeal to the widest audience possible.
I have great respect for both men, and with regard to their physiques, it really comes down to preference. Arnold's all-time best physique to me is unbeatable, and I could make a pretty good case for that with the photo record. Of course, Arnold had some pretty immature character traits during his competitive years. Dorian also had issues in his youth. Both men will admit to that and have risen above and matured. I admire both men.
yeah I admired Arnold until he went full commie with his " screw your freedom" rant, SCREW YOU ARNOLD!
I respect your opinion but Arnold’s physique is far far far far far far away from being unbeatable
@Milan-lr2hf I respect yours as well. As I said, physique competition is a really a matter of preference, for the audience and the judges. Judges, for a long time now, clearly place little value on the lines and aesthetics of the physiques. It didn'tused to be that way. My opinion is that the physique Arnold brought to the 74 Olympia was just the best of all time and I said I could make a case for that assertion with the photo record. So, I would encourage you to examine the photos from that time. There are many, but I'll cite only one, a Muscle Builder/Power January magazine cover shot of Arnold in what many call the mantis pose. No one has ever been able to match that pose, in my opinion, of course. The other thing I will say is this, the bodybuilders in the past just looked much more healthy than recent competitors do. The tragic incidences of early mortality bear that out.
Excellent video
I love and admire Dorian, I truly do. He is an extraordinary man and an extraordinary athlete with some intelligent and thoughtful opinions but I am with Arnold on this. Dorian took bodybuilding down a terrible and dangerous road that it has never recovered from.
Tom Platz was actually pushing the freaky big look in the early 80s when he was competing. Not just with his legs either. But the more classic bodybuilder look was still preferred at the time. Platz said he wanted the judges to drop their pencils in awe when he walked on stage and ask "What the hell is that?"
"Arnold is jealous of Dorian" LOL....
Both deserve respect
TBH the 'rift' seems to be pretty one sided. Dorian was the one with the chip on his shoulder, dissing Arnie at every turn while Arnie just got on with his life making movies.
It is sad that these two great guys are not friends.
Dorian Yate was monster mass while Arnold Schwarzenegger was more of looks classic so of course they not friends due to training routes are completely different!
Every time I see a sensational headline, especially one that says "MUST SEE", I tell YT to not recommend the channel.
Dorian is a legend, one of my favourite BB, and I agree that Arnold does what's good for Arnold, but like it or not, if it were not for Arnold doing what he has done, people like Dorian may not have bothered to put themselves through the blood and guts to reach the heights, and, as much as the mass monsters are freaky and incredible to see, I still think that the BB's from Arnolds era looked better.
As dorian mentioned he was associated with Mike mentzer who had didn't get along with arnold for good reason. It's been coming out and pretty obvious in retrospective that arnold was Joe weiders poster boy due to his charisma he was great for promoting Joe's bodybuilding enterprise.
And for that reason he was given special treatment over everyone else rules where bent and here and there in his favour making some competition more political than about who was actually the best on stage. The most obvious example and the last straw for Mike menzter was the 1980 olympia there was a deadline to sing to comp in arnold walzt in last minute rules where bent to allow it and Evan though arnold was very obviously not in competition shape he won the show alot of people say it was because he was main character in pumping iron that was being filmed at time and it wouldn't have been good for movie if he didn't win Evan the crowd at that show where booing and in shock because it was realy obvious he was not the winner then mentzer retired from bodybuilding because it was clear it was politics not talent that determined the winner.
Pumping Iron was filmed in 1975. It shows the Olympia 1975 not the Olympia 1980. I agree, Arnold in the 1980 Olympia in no way was up mpar to his shape in 1970-1975. In the new netflix bio of Arnie he doe snot even mentiopon the 1980 Olympia.
Clickbait thumbnail. He never called Arnold a liar. Also, all these clickbait 'famous bodybuilder HATES other famous bodybuilder' videos is pretty sad. It's like some sort of teen girl gossip column.
As if Arnie didn't use steroids...
Who claimed he didn't?
@@Bale4Bond he acts like it by saying Dorian took it too far
@@natedogg5708 …which Yates did.
Arnold is open about his steroid use, but also knew how to administer them in a way where he didn't look like a mutant.
@@Bale4Bond fanboy, bodybuilding shouldn't have limits
@@natedogg5708 "fanboy"…yawn.
Ask Rich Piana or all the other guys who dropped dead over the years due to extensive usage what they think about taking things too far.
To each their own, but a lot of the guys are pushing their luck health-wise.
For me Frank Zane had the best physique ever.
Same, it's either him or Bob Paris. Incredible symmetry and proportions.
Lee Haney was way better than Arnold. Arnold should be credited with 5 Olympias, not 7. One was rigged because Sergio Olivia was told he couldn’t compete which gave Arnold an automatic win because he was the only competitor in the show. And in 1980, he should have been 4th.
Lee was no better
Or 10th
Arnold righly said that bb is more about ashetics over size. Proportionate muscles has more appeal over oversized body parts. But then time changed and trend changed with Yates, that continue till today. And again its going back to classic bb era due to health related issues seen in mass monsters.
Preach! 👍
ARNOLD IS THE BEST PROFESIONAL BODYBUILDER BORN TO BE A CHAMPION BODUBUILDER IN ANY ERA WHO WALKED ON PLANET ,,MAYBE IS GREATEST THAN SPORT
DY is the top bodybuilder of all time.
In your opinion not mine
@@TheEuropeanPrepper In my opinion yes
@@regaldonneys876 it's irrelevant... we don't know you.
I beg to differ
Arnold truly bring bodybuilding on a different universal level,whatever you question all his championship or not the man is a legend he did more for bodybuilding than anybody.
Arnold is right, the 70s look is much better than now👍👍
Arnold is wrong 50's were Steve Reeves was superior to arnold
He speaks the TRUTH
Arnold outed himself with "screw your freedoms". He talks utter bs constantly
Yup
Arnold is owned by his masters.
Who's noticed, other than Ruhl and maybe a few mass monsters, that arnold's bis are literally as big if not a touch bigger and that lou at his peak, didn't have as big of bis either ?? Kudos, Arnold !!
Well if we measure them they are not that big. It is the way they look against his shorter arms and small joints.
Ruhl, Ronnie, and Gunter certainly had guns that blew away Arnold's. These guys were also over 280lb ripped onstage with Gunter over 300lb. Arnold was only 245lb at his biggest.
If you stood Arnold next to these 3 on stage it would be obvious. Arnold would look more aesthetic but small.
50lbs of their body weight was gut though . If you want to talk about the original mass monster look no further than Sergio Olivia , mass monster with fantastic genetic shape .
@@johndonson1603 IDK about 50lbs ?? I'm not denying that though, cuz u seem to know !!
@@simonkrebs6043 I have a pic. of arnold at his absolute peak, and his bi's are UNBELIEVABLELY tall and peaked...I'm talking NO JOKE damn close to ruhl's...I wish you could see it, but my printer doesn't work...Just saying !!
@@johndonson1603 I do agree Sergio was the "Wilt Chamberlain" of Body Building.
That is why he is called "The Myth". Ridiculous body measurements and stats. as well as amazing to look at. His shoulder to wait ratio would have been over 2.3. How is that even possible ?
Dorian Yates is the GOAT
Another fellow gentleman, really recognises the real, god bless
For you it depends I would rather look like Arnold if I had a choice at least he has biceps unlike dorian 😏
@@amaanshaikh6868 dorian clapped arnold in all other aspects except for chest and biceps, nobody bodybuilder till date has had the same grainy hard peeled to the bone, every fibre striated in the back, even the lats themselves, as Dorian has. So yeah, Dorian is the goat.
@@devmulani8177 nope he isn't lol till date wtf, he had great back maybe the greatest also greatest size and conditioning ratio but Arnold for his time was unbeatable he had better individual body parts than dorian for example Arnold had great back lats, with great arms and decent shoulders along with good quads for his time, on the other hand dorian lacked in quads he lacked outer sweep in quads, shoulders were decent later on he got his tricep torn so no bicep and no tricel how could that win him Mr Olympia.
@@amaanshaikh6868 Dorian changed the game, no ones till date ever managed to match his conditioning, trained way harder than Arnie even tho arnie is one of the many legends too. Preference maybe. Imo Dorian Yates is the greatest, probably the goat #3 falling behind Ronnie and Phil Heath
The ONLY reason why in the seventys and eightys there were not such massive BB, is that the the steroids in that time are not so good than nowadays.
"Lee Hanney" 🤣🤣
Yeah I thought that !
Arnold is right 👍🏼
Dorian literally said nothing bad about Arnold -- he also didn't say anything good. In fact, he said nothing noteworthy about Arnold at all.
"Nix gschimpft is gloub gmua."
@@AlCarou I don't understand the dialect you're using.
@@atp2727 "Hüft’s nix, (so) schodt’s nix."
You offered no proof Dorian Yates spoke bad of Arnold. This video is a sham.
It’s definitely Clickbait, but everything is Clickbait nowadays anyway.
I agree with Dorian...I am not a fan of this guy but what he says about Arnold is 100% true. Arnold has always cares only about Arnold....
First of all it is impossible to dismiss YATES as just a MASS MONSTER...as if to imply that he has no symettry or asthetic attributes...in fact he has them all. However, as a marketing expert, GOVERNOR SCHWARTZENEGGER is correct to criticize this new era of very extreme mass because this type of ideal is way beyond the realm of the vast majority of even serious bodybuilders and especialy beyond the reach of the larger majority of casual athletes who weightlift for some muscularity but without going crazy...so this GOLDEN ERA philosophy has a bigger audience.
The bottom line that there is room for both schools of thought.
For example, in TENNIS most average players will never attain the skill levels of the top players but they still come out in hordes to also see what these " monsters " of the tennis raquet can do.
GOD made a lid for every pot !
Good guy "DORIAN YATES"
What rift is that then ????
Isn't it the Olympia judges fault? If they start awarding 1st place to those for best proportion rather than biggest size then things would change. Obviously lean muscularity is still a priority but the mass monsters would have a lower score for proportion and the classic physique would have a lower score for total size. More varied competition would be more interesting.
Dorian is very envious of Arnold, like they all are.
I think Arnold hates this era because of how many are dying way too young because of pushing themselves to the limit
It's true that Dorian now looks like 75-year-old Arnold...
Loaded with opinion is what bodybuilding is all about
Mister Olympia 1997 Dorian
Dorian doesn’t like the fact that Arnold hangs out with the Rothschilds.
You created a 5 min clickbait vid based on 2 small comments 👏
this video has nothing to do with the title wtf
Without arnold dorian would be a dishwasher!
Golden age vs mass monster age. French cuisine vs American buffet.
There it is that simple.
Ever thought why Dorian never competed at the Arnolds Classic ??
that is it?
This is completely blown out of proportion. Where are the quotes from Arnold? What Dorian Yates says is true. Arnold was on stage with all the Olympia winners in '96 I believe. Dorian was there of course competing. I've never heard anything disrespectful from either of them....
Saying Arnold is jealous of Yates is Ludicrous😂. That’s like saying Ali is jealous of Lennox Lewis
Arnold had the best arms as mr Olympia ever while Dorian has the worst arms
So, they did a poll recently and asked 7 billion people who they'd rather look at, Arnold or Dorian Yates. It was closer than you'd think because Dorian's mother voted for her son, so the result was 6,999,999,999 to 1 for Arnold.
I think this comes down to disagreements of philosophy that each has. Dorian had both different training style philosophy as well as a different end product philosophy to that of Arnold.
What wa "MUST SEE" about this video?
I agree with Arnold on this point.
Dorian Yates was the point where bodybuilders started to get disproportionately developed physiques, so while individual body parts were developed to a size an d level of definition not previously , or rarely seen, the overall look was catoonish.
70s bodys look more natural than today's bodybuilders. No question about it. Arnold is right.
I'm not a fan of Aaanold and i usually agree with Dorian on most things but the competitions have gone too far. Bubble guts should never have been allowed to happen.
And who’s mike Mentzer?
When Arnold’s name still echos though time no one will remember Mentzer or Yates.
Click bait title, not once has he mentioned Arnold being a liar
many Golden Era guys like Arnold, Frank Zane, Lee Labrada, Vince Taylor, Lee Haney, Tom Platz are still alive in legit health in their 60's, 70's & up .... some new era guys are in very bad health state like Flex Wheeler, Ronnie Coleman, some died young - Shawn Rhoden, Mike Matarazzo, Andreas Munzer, etc. Some like Sean Ray, Paul Dillet, Dorian Yates seem to be OK for now, let's see. I am for a healthy sport, it would be definitely more inspiring to see symmetry & longevity instead of monstrous looks & sudden deaths. I admire DY journey as well as Arnold's yet i am more inspired by Frank Zane who was a natty & still rocking it at 80 years old n looking good n healthy.
I believe Yates … Arnold is all about Arnold believe that..!!
Go Dorian 💪
I don't see what Yates said wrong video is click bait simple I'm pretty sure they both have respect 4 each other they just have different ways of going about there business
Dorian>>>>>
I'm impressed with his Dorian but it's dangerous and difficult to maintain long term. I adore Frank Zane's physique overall.
Vince Gironda had it right..
"Lee Haney". Please say that name right!
Do love Dorian and do appreciate these huge physics but am a Golden era fan all day long.
ja sach mal ihr habt wohl den markus vergessen!!! "markus rühl" the americans call him markus ruhl!✌😉( greetings from germany!)
Can you please add video footage of Dorian Yates talking bad about Arnold? So far, your video does not contain any evidence of that.
Clickbait ! Dont waste your time. Dorian says nothing but a few words here.
Correct seems like nothing major. Only that preference of different body types. Also I'm sure anything harsher won't be said in public.
When Dorian is the Terminator then I’ll listen to anything he says.😂😂😂😂
Arnold is Arnold forever.......
Arnold Schwarzenegger had the greatest physique of all time! Dorian Yates and today’s bodybuilders look ridiculous!
RIP Dorian.....
Ironic!! that Arnold was angry after losing to frank zane. He thought he is better cause of his big arms.
Team Dorian
They LOOK like brothers lol 😂