How GOOD was Greninja ACTUALLY? - History of Greninja in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 6-7)
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- Greninja is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Greninja was voted super early by the Patreon backers for some reason. Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Greninja in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
1:07 - XY/Gen 6
6:03 - Gen 6 VGC
15:11 - SM/Gen 7
20:32 - Gen 7 VGC
25:55 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent. I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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The Patreon backers are crazy. We probably won't do more Gen 6+ Pokemon for a while. We still have to get through the first 5!
False Swipe Gaming please False Swipe, cover the rest of the Kanto Pokemon 🙏🏻💫
What about Gen 1 👌😲
Man, I'm glad really liking these thiccc ass videos man. Thank you.
Watch them pick Toxapex or Zygarde
Can see Mascot Aegislash get in after a few months.
Quickest match I ever had was with a Greninja. Opponent was using an Alolan Golem to start off and I sent out Greninja. I used Spikes which changed Gren to ground while Golem used Explosion with its ability turning it into an electric move, which Greninja survived due to changing to a ground type while Golem fainted. The other player disconnected straight after that.
What a coincidence.
That’s a Galaxy brain move
Mind size:
MEGA
Yeah, this is big brain time
@@alokrath9330 the opponent: F-MEGA
You're telling me that Greninja got banned in ORAS solely for throwing trash bins at fairies?
This should be Greninja’s Gen 8 Pokédex entry, “banned for throwing trash bins at fairies”.
to be more precise, it had no safe counters/checks with the right movepool
Why did they do that to our HERO
Someone getting banned from competitive for _toxic_ behavior? Sounds about right.
Marcus Dellow lol
Lol I love how the OU council freaked out when Greninja learned how to throw a trash can
ARTEM DORDZHIEV hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihh
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Gen 6 it was banned for being too good. In Gen 7 it gets even better but isn’t banned. Thank you power creep very cool
Protean is broken, pls ban.
Imagine if gamefreak treated battle bond evolution like mega evolution cuz if they did they could just give ash-greninja protean cuz that’s how most mégas work like how venusaur starts with chlorophyll and gets thick fat after mega that would be so broken a protean 640 base stat total mon
@@elvgamez3864 if it worked like a mega then it would actually stand a chance in ubers.
@@sebas8225 and then they gave Libero to Cinderace, granted, Cinderace isn't as good as Greninja. Cinderace has two solid signature moves, pyro ball a physical fire blast that burns and court change which flips hazards and screens.
@@coolyeh1017 court change is so fucking bs
When the pokemon only existed for two generations but the video is almost a half an hour long you know its amazing.
and half of it's life was relegated to set hazards in ubers
so I'd say it's more generation and a half
All thanks to Protean and a exclusive upgrade form
Or ridiculously busted
It’s because of a magical word
FAVOURITISM
Landorus t is 3 gens and it'll have 2 hours
Remember when people wanted Ash-Greninja gone from Gen 7?
_Then Dracovish came in_
As overpowered as Dracovish is, I don't hate it for that, cuz I can predict it'll be nerfed to oblivion in gen 9 like it happened to Gengar and Talonlame.
Rev up the Seismitoads. We've got a Dracovish to handle.
Ash-Gren actually has a moveset, Dracovish has one move it can click and profit, it makes me lose braincells
Isn't Dracovish UUBL?
We don't speak of he who must not be named
Game Freak: Wanna see me give a starter a broken ability?
*gives greninja protean*
Game Freak: Wanna see me do it again?
*gives cinderace libero*
libero cinderace is so stupidly broken, if charizard can get into ubers why can't the stupid rabbit get banned there
Alwin Cahyadi landorus incarnate
Blaziken in particular getting speed boost is also broken but protean is better overall
Serperior : a bad starter
Game freak : here's contrary
Serperior is actually the first one who get a broken ability
@@jambon2730 serperior got contrary at gen 6 and blazike got speed boost at gen 5 i guess
someone: **has a name**
FSG: I'm about to end this man's whole career
Being myself from south America, i find it hilarious how he struggles to pronounce names like Sebastian Escalante lol
FSG more like Substitute Teacher
@@hiei49 do you know they don't speak Spanish
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If Greninja got 30 minutes on just 2 generations being dominating in OU and being meh in VGC
Imagine how long the Landorus video would be
2 minutes dedicated to regular Lando. 40 dedicated to Lando-T
Bring on blunder :)
@@justaadhdgamerwesley6244 Agency Agency
Please, don't give the Patreons ideas.
@@thom9910 Lando is banned from being voted on as its WAY TOO LONG for a 1 week episode so its prolly gonna be a special if we get it at all
How SUBTLE was GameFreak's favoritism ACTUALLY?
They had to make up for it by snapping him out of Gen 8
*points obnoxiously to Charizard
Not at all I want to say.
Not at all
Honestly, both Charizard and Greninja got more than their fair share of pandering. The other Kanto starters at least were still blessed with a mega evolution and Gigantamax form in the Sword and Shield expansion packs while the other Kalos starters are left in the dust. Charizard is overhyped, but people still loved it even though it sucked in battle. Game Freak and TPC gave Charizard everything in response to its popularity.
Meanwhile, Greninja got everything from the get-go. Greninja has the stats, movepool, and ability to do great in the competitive scene while Chesnaught and Delphox languish behind. Greninja also has a more appealing design than the other Kalos starters to most people. It got in Smash, was Ash's ace, and even got an exclusive form. Greninja was manufactured to become a popular Pokemon and it worked.
This is coming from someone who has Greninja as one of my favorite Pokemon btw.
Andrew Kos he’ll be back
Update: Libero Cinderace was banned from OU for doing the exact same thing as Gen 6 Protean Greninja
Greninja from the ban wall: "first time?"
The ban wall is now the cool kids club
Cinderace is an absolute monster. Slower than Greninja, but sturdier and hits harder. Also benefits from Gigantamax's stat boosts and Gmax Fireball, which destroys Mimikyu's disguise. The king of single battles.
That's why I call him my "4 feet tall killing machine"
Bruh
Libero cinderace: father? Is that you?
StarLight Of MoonSide greninja:yes it is me son it very much is
You will use my protean in another version as I am watieng for my god dam trainer to come back to me but I doubt he will
I'm actually not sure why they didn't just give Cinderace Protean, I mean, they are literally the same thing. However Greninja had a better move pool to select from to have greater type coverages. As well as had more balanced attack vs attack stat (95 A, 103 SA) that made it possible to take it physical or special, while Cinderace has to go physical (116 A, 65 SA). Cinderace is still awesome with easily the single best looking G-Max form that makes me miss megas, but w/e I guess, I hope they come back at some point.
Are they in the same egg group? If so yes. Definitely.
He is all that remains of a once powerful nation. Right now, you're on the threshold of an amazing adventure
Water Pledge Greninja: What are you doing in my swamp?!
RayQUADza
@@windindi2834 I like FARQUADza better, but works as well.
Lmfao i love this community
You guys are awesome:)
i will now name my greninja shrek
I feel like if greninja gets released into gen 8, cinderace will be a perfect partner with its libero ability, making a duo team called probero
Perfection
Ananya Gangavarapu it would probably dwarf landorous T
Probero? I LOVE IT! lol
Don’t forget that Cinderace can get Ally Switch for even more mindgames
Oh crap
Ash Greninja is why I decided to get my own golisopod. Making a good First Impression was important as all hell.
I don’t care
@@eliteadrisn4872 who asked tho
Funny joke
@@eliteadrisn4872 stfu
Oh ya bc Greninja is weak to Bug types
Gamefreak: You're a water and dark type
Greninja: Its 2018 I can be what I want
>"a cornucopia of coverage"
That is undoubtedly the most uber tier line your writer has ever thought up in the competitive history of this channel.
"...upgrade Bullet Punch from a rifle to a bona fide bazooka."
- How GREAT was Scizor ACTUALLY?
"...before being brutally beaten back by Brave Bird."
- How GOOD was Staraptor ACTUALLY?
"...BandedTar's power become even greater due to Stone Miss - I mean Stone Edge."
- How GOOD was Tyranitar ACTUALLY?
There are more, but these are some of my favorites.
Dynamic miss ......I mean dynamic punch
GUILE; Sonic Boom
".....a pokemon that outhaxorused Haxorus"
-How GOOD was Haxorus ACTUALLY
i submit quagsires verdict to that hall of fame of lines
"So how good was quagsire actually? Man i don't fucking know"
Back in my day there was this 10 year old with 20 years of experience who had a crazy Naruto Greninja
He lost in some final to a mega Charizard x
Then someone tried destroying the world but no one cared
Maybe he would have defeated Charizard if he were to spam Water Shuriken like a person with a brain would do. But seriously? Cut? CUT!?
@@cintronproductions9430 Dragon Resists Water. And Greninja is incredibly frail.
@@Nosretep Charizard is still neutral
@@Nosretep tell that to the XY anime where Greninjas take no damage from leaf storms yet grass dragon types get completely beaten by water moves...
@@Nosretep neutral STAB from gren isn't anything to scoff at
Imagine weather ball Greninja. That level of unpredictability would be insane.
No dont give them ideas
@@syazmanlyman Gen 9 would be great
Or even better- Nature Power
How about both? 😈
I don’t think it would make it any more unpredictable if the weather was already out
"You know a pokémon is popular when it gets his own exclusive form"
Meanwhile Audino
Well Audino was memorable for how you might try to find groups of them for exp at some point in the game
Audino is the only gen 5 pkmn that has mega evo
And then there’s stunfisk
Greninja is a pokemon where you want to battle with it non-shiny. Shiny Ash-Greninja is impossible to legitimately get, so when I see people flexing their shiny Greninjas online, I easily know they're using Protean and can plan around that. It's a situation where your flex can become your downfall.
Or a girl. BB was male only
I like to sit outside for a while after my shower. It is peaceful
It's too bad
It's Shiny looks so dripped 👌
This is basically "How GOOD was Protean/Battle Bond ACTUALLY?"
Yeah we dont need greninja
Meanwhile Chesnaught and Delphox got almost nothing.
I mean An ability definitely defines a Pokemon, There are some exceptions like Garchomp
That covers a lot of competitive Pokemon with the exception of most Psuedo Legendaries (except maybe the gen 3 ones once they got their megas).
@@mainakbiswas1758 I meant as a different form of the geration like mega evolution, which they didn't get for some reason.
How GOOD were the starters ACTUALLY?
Blaziken: (to all the other starters) "You're all vying for second place."
Greninja: (to Blaziken) "Make that third place."
Ngl Greninja is easily better than Blaziken in both gen 6 and 7 Ubers so this meme would be much funnier if the roles were flipped.
Meganium : Make that... Third place.
Charizard : Make that good o'l 4th place
Blastoise after getting Shell Smash in gen 8: "Make that 4th place."
@ARTEM DORDZHIEV cinderace isnt better than gren. it could be good in uu tho. mega blastoise is banned from ou atm
The fact is that you can see Groudon in almost every single video.
Lando T. Amoongus Salamance
@@GM.Nobody tyranitar;
I'm everywhere
Fun fact: Greninja has less Special Attack than flippin' ABRA. XD
Fun fact: Onix has less base attack than Oddish.
Who hits harder. An elite water ninja whos been training for 30+ levels. Or. One shy psychic boi
someone watches mandjtv
well mandjtv kinda forgot to mention that abra might be the best wallbreaker in LC. so we didn't really "miss" abra's crazy spA (although it's the speed that allows him to be so good)
Or even worse, solosis is only a single green cell and has more special attack as well
Not like Abra can use that sp. atk stat anyway
Me: Finally, a gen 6 Pokémon! This should be pretty short!
Also me: Looks at the time.
What da f happend to the floor
Rexyjp123 hi I’m bulbasaur
@@Bemw0 and I'm squirtle
Ved Prakash and this is Pokémon talk
Ben Aldred You weren’t supposed to Finish the intro!
Charizard: I'm the most popular fully evolved starter of all time.
Greninja: Hold my pokeblocks.
*Hold my life orb
hold my choice specs*
Hold* my focus sash
Hold my ash fusion transformation 😂
shouldn't it be pokepuffs?
It says a lot about Greninja when a video on it has nearly 30 minutes, when Delphox, a starter from the same gen, is 1/3 of the length. Just shows how much a great ability -and favoritism- can affect a mon.
yea, i hate how gamefreak completely neglected the other 2 starters and gave so much to greninja. Delphox shouldve got magic guard or magic bounce as a dreamworld ability
2 years separate those two videos, and another year separates Delphox and Chesnaught.
Sad day to be a Delphox. You're the first non-fighting/fire in generations, and you get paired with Greninja...
Gen Kaiba if only Delphox had magic bounce instead of magician as its hidden ability and a bit more coverage then at least it could of had some successes. Its a shame too because Delphox has great special attack, solid speed and special defence.
It was a sad day when it looked at itself in the mirror.
@@mectainea5575 *could have...
@@mectainea5575 Maybe Magic Guard instead of Magic Bounce, it would give it safe Stealth Rock switches as well as let it use Life Orb without taking any tick damage. I'm not sure if we'd really want the Fox with Bounce powers, especially with how fast it is, how strong it is, and how many tools it has. Will-o-wisp, Trick Room, dual screens, Sunny Day, Calm Mind, Psychic Terrain, and Ally Switch, all on a mon that can reflect non-damaging moves? That'd be disgusting, especially Ally Switch in doubles. You could literally perma-deny status onto an important teammate by threatening with bounces and setup, along with your own decent damage output. Plus, while the Fox has some pretty nasty weaknesses (Ground, Rock, Ghost, Water, Dark), she also has some really good resistances (Fighting, Steel, Fire, Grass, Psychic, Ice, Fairy). She'd be hellish when paired with someone like Tapu Bulu, who would cover Ground, Rock, Water, and Dark, while also really appreciating someone who can take out Poison, Ice, and Steel types who would otherwise be hard for it to fight.
@@blazefactor6849 I agree with all of this though I should of clarified my old comment of magic bounce as an example though magic guard works just as well for the reason you mentioned its just that either option would be far better than magician as a hidden ability. Also yea from what you mentioned, I can see magic bounce delphox to be a very irritating Pokémon if it had magic bounce (and I forgot it had ally switch so it would be disgusting).
So Greninja got banned for being able to "Throw Trash at Fairies"?
Trash can
Hello greatest loser
You just copied another comment you loser
@@redman4482 shut up you asshole
@@berkay4903 no u
“You know you’re popular when you get your own exclusive form”
Cherrim: You keep telling yourself that
Castform:
*Battle Bond activates*
Greninja: *GOtTA swEEP sWEeP SWeEp!!!*
Baldi's Basics
toxapex and ferrothorn: N O
@@ralphmarges2965 it can run hp fire for ferrothorn tho but I doubt extrasenssory would kill toxapex
@@insertnamehere658 specs boosted battle bond boosted will kill as much as i know if they not runnin SpD evs
Any defensive pokemon in an average team: i'l stop you right there
His evolution across 2 generations, what a character develoment
And yet there's still nearly 30 minutes of material lmao.
Protean Greninja is basically Preyas from Bakugan.
"CHANGE ATTRIBUTE"
Edit: Thanks for the likes everyone, I just have one question for all you Bakugan fans...
"WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO!? THE ODDS ARE STACKED AGAINST YOU!...."
It's sad not everybody will get this
@IllumiNation Bakugan is still being sold in stores.
Fax
@@xhale671 I get it XD
@@machina5 i have a bakugan ds game and I used to love it
Froakie was one of my favorite Pokémon from Gen 6 even before finding out it’s evolution. So glad he had some major success in the competitive scene.
Greninja may have a few too many tools but it's legit one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, even its design is fantastic.
Robert MacIntosh ikr! The design is amazing. Greninja is my favorite Pokemon of all time!
@@alwincahyadi831 fun fact:the bubbles on its arms are actually from the bubble scarf that its pre evolves had
Also you gotta admit,the tounge scarf is disturbing,but creative
Greninja look weird for me to that tounge look weird
@@namitapandey7136 But it's a god
@@alwincahyadi831 Greninja is a god
Now here we are in Scarlet and Violet where both Protean and Battle Bond have been gutted. :(
Protean was gutted, Battle Bond was slightly nerfed but still great
Who knew that in gen 7 The dark type pokemon was used to removed fairy types.
Well if the dark type pulls a transform then thats not a dark type thats an unreleased imposter ditto
@@snarls3760 When the dark type is sus.
@@iamzahin5910 SUSUS AMOGUS
FSG: how good was greninja actually
Me: Screams in protean
mewtwo 7 generations 20 minutes
greninja 2 generations 27 minutes
They didn't went into too much detail back then like now they are doing, also Mewtwo had 25 mins
Unfair comparison! In the video before he Didn’t go in so many details...
Actually, videos like Charizard and Mewtwo needs a remake!
@@pedromonteiro2248 yeah you right.
Greninja had only 2 generations and it had 27 minutes. Imagine a Landorus video.
@@James-ym9sv 1 hour for gen 5 OU only
FSG: “How GOOD was Greninja ACTUALLY?”
Me: Yes
Remember when folks believed that Froakie was going to be ass and pooped all over its hopes and dreams and called it ugly, because they were more aroused by Fennekin and Chespin? The "ugly" one had the most success
Lmfao I remember, I picked Froakie cause I didn't want a fire fighting fox or grass type (didn't want grass cause I just used servperior also used emboar too in black)
I always thought Froakie was the best looking gen 6 starter
@Ghoul Gaming I'm just glad I'm not the only one to call him Grenigga, because that's exactly what he is lmao
Pretty sure Chespin was the most disliked Starter though.
@@lolicunny2 Not initially
As an Australian I can confirm this, we love greninja.
I love how FSG made an exception for greninja only because it's greninja
Cuz Green ninja
Wat da sub doin?
@@aknight7642 Either setting up or preparing a focus punch.
*cinderace with libero appears*
greninja with protean: finally! a worthy opponent! our battle will be legendary!
zorohibiki sad part is gren still out speeds
Nox Reaper *laughs in dark STAB sucker punch*
*laughs in snipe shot for cinderace*
*Scarf Dracovish enters the chat* “something smells fishy”
@@Meepoli *oh no*
Let's get grassy;
How good was FERRORTHORN Actually?!
Dear god...
Not this stalling bastard again
@SharinganSakura \o/
5:33
"Face me then god, you've rambled on long enough."
Lol
Who would’ve thought we’d get gen 6 so quickly
Me: Ah it’s only been around in competitive for 2 gens so this video should be pretty sho....
Video: 28 minutes!
Hahaha the Pledge Moves. Back in SM I had an absolutely Evil team where I would lead with Greninja and Charizard. I would Water + Fire Pledge for the Serene Grace and then spam Rock Slide on both of them for two 60% Chances to flinch.
Same.
I was on Team Froakie before it was cool. When I saw Greninja for the first time admittedly I was like "WTF?!" because of that tongue scarf. I couldn't decide if it was genius or insane. It ended up as my favorite Pokémon of all time. I love its design, its ability (especially since it fits with the ninja "master-of-disguise" motif), and its shiny (again fits in with its ninja theme and is great looking to boot). It got me to watch the anime again, which IMO is the best season. I was also estactic that it got in Smash 4 (didn't see coming) and is now a top tier threat in Smash Ultimate without all that BS nerfs (I wish Sakurai would leave that Pokemon alone). I haven't felt this excited over a Pokémon since I was a kid with Charizard, only except Greninja was as competitive as the anime depict it to be.
I wasn't looking forward to Sun/Moon but I admit I was suckered in because of that Ash-Greninja demo (best demo ever). I really like Battle Bond Greninja due to how convenient it was to get and that it felt like a balanced "mega". You had to legit earned its overpowered form.
While I'm not too happy that it's not in Sw/Sh, at least there's still Smash and it won Pokémon of the year. I hope Greninja continues to be one of the best starters. If it gets "nerfed", I hope it's still competitive like Aegislash and not end up like Talonflame. It annoys me that Gamefreak is using Cinderace to be the next Greninja with Libero instead of giving it is own originality. That just felt like they were not even being subtle about who they want to be the IT Pokémon without waiting for the fans to decide for themselves.
Sorry for the essay. I'm just glad that you covered him despite being too soon for Gen 6 and I hope a Smash analysis video is coming up. For next Pokémon, I like to see Ferrothorn or a Swampert remake (Gen 7).
I feel like the tounge scarf was increadibly creative..but a bit wierd
Nobody:
Sword and Shield: Hey guys, remember how GOOD Protean was, let's see that with a Fire-type. I'm sure everything will be fine.
Oh boy here comes darmanitan
Naw, he means Cinderace. Although you can't get it legit yet, Cinderace's hidden ability is basically protean.
I don't think Cinderace is gonna be as O.P as Greninja
Nah. Greninja is WAY stronger than Cinderace. Cinderace has average Coverage other than Gunk Shot to slay Clefable. Iron Head is meh. Sucker Punch is meh. And, Zen Missbutt is eh. For Greninja, it has great Mixed Attacking stats, which massively sets apart from Cinderace.
Plus, Court Change is a mandatory move slot for Hazard Control. As well as Pyro Ball and U-Turn.
@@frozenvoltz6739 it has bigger usage in ubers than Greninja because of court change lol, and deals massive damage to zacian which is the best ubers mon atm
"It had to rely on Guile (sonic boom)".....god damn you 🤣
Greninja has everything: Great speed, great sp. attack, good coverage moves, access to Spikes, Mat Block, Protean ability and Battle Bond. It was a threat in the competitive scene and both the anime and Super Smash Bros. gave it even more love. It's my favorite pokémon and I trolled so many times with it alongside some Z-moves, Battle Bond and Dark Pulse with flinching xd
I love Greninja, by far my favorite starter Pokémon
Krosshair same. He’s my favorite Pokemon of all time
Same, Also my first pokemon *I started pokemon in X and Y don't ask.
@@chialeendrums Same. It’s not even close for me It’s my favorite Pokémon PERIOD.
You forgot one place: Smash bros. He is, much like sheik, in the ninja archetype, a light, tall character with lackluster damage but amazing, versatile combos until high percentages. In smash 4 he was... decent, a higher mid tier who popularized the "better nerf greninja" because he was losing constantly his gimmicks, forced to rely on footstools.
In Ultimate he is a High tier because of a lot of new kill confirms into up smash (He really loves the landing lag reduction), good enough to win top players, specially by players like Glutonny or Lea, but not so popular because Joker outshines almost everyone; still, you know a character is good when he can achieve top 8 in a big tournament like glitch 8.
Can’t forget his falling speed allows for up-air drag downs as well
Nothing is funnier than using your enemies as a trampoline.
@@mr.krustykrust That's also a Joker and Sheik gimmick who is decent and can be used alongside lick, but he also gained a safer kill confirm in down tilt and N-air.
The problem with Greninja in Smash 4 was its bad air game outside of up-air and footstools, because he couldn't autocancel any air move in a short hop (He still can't, but landing lag is lower in ultimate), as well as a terrible grab game and being the Smash's equivalent of Irelia; if something taught me Little Mac, is that air game, recovery and grabs are important to not being an awful bottom tier (At least the ninja has the second one).
Ultimate greninja still lacks a good grab game, but so do Joker, and at least he (Ash's greninja is male) has now a good synergy between ground and air moves, and more options in general which is important (Ask Ike, Piranha plant or Little Mac if you don't believe me).
also greninja OOS options are ass
@@bunabobby No character is perfect. Greninja does NOT have an amazing frame data, he has incredibly low endlag and startup on GROUNDED moves, which allow him to have sick combos. The only usable OoS is the B-air. You know someone has terrible defensive game when his most reliable OoS is jab.
Last time I was this early, greninja haddnt been nerfed in smash yet.
"Truly one of a kind"
Cinderace in gen 8: *Not anymore False Swipe Gaming, I am here now*
14:33 is the only time I've ever heard Greninja described as underrated
*listening to the first 15 minutes of the video:* Yeah this is nice and all. Greninja was a really interesting pokemon. Then Ash-Gren happened.
20:10 unless it was Female. Then you knew FOR SURE it was Protean...or Torrent
b2j135 wait how
@@kyle-cl1by can't have Female Battle Bond Greninja
Don't forget shiny, as you can't have that on BB Greninja either.
Battle bonds gren has to be male and non-shiny
... Unless that's Protean male regular greninja, then you fucked.
rip og battle bond, it’s not the same
Ash Greninja will be missed
He is coming back in the next 7 star raid, let’s all of us hope it’s ash-greninja
@@bakuraryu7773 ash greninja isn't in the game, it's ability was changed to be a 1 time +1 to attacks, sp atk, and speed,
it's way to powerful in the new generations
/Gen 1 Starters/
Venusaur: "I may not be as cool as the other one's, but I love you!"
Charizard: "I.... am a motherfucking.... Dragon...."
Pokedex: "....."
Charizard: "Just give it a minute."
Blastoise: "Hehehe! Water cannons go FWOOOSH!"
/Gen 2 Starters/
Meganium: "I... I... forget it...."
Typhlosion: "Hehehe! Volcano back go FWOOOSH!"
Feraligatr: "I.... am a motherfucking.... Dragon...."
Pokedex: "...."
Feraligatr: "Just give it a minute."
/Gen 3 Starters/
Sceptile: "I.... AM A MOTHERFUCKING.... DRAGON...."
Pokedex: "The fuck's wrong with ya'll?"
Sceptile: "JUST GIVE IT A MINUTE!"
Blaziken: "I'm a fighting type?! This is way better than being a Dragon!"
Swampert: *E L E C T R I C*
*I M M U N I T Y*
/Gen 4 Starters/
Torterra: "I'm a Continent... with a ground typing? Where does the Earthquake start.... and where does it end?"
Infernape: "Twice in a row! And better moves?! This typing is AWESOME!"
Empoleon: *"R O Y A L T Y"*
/Gen 5 Starters/
Serperior: *"R O Y A L T Y"*
Emboar: "Okay, it's old now..."
Samurott: "I'm a Samurai.... with seashell armor? Where does the Razor Shell end... and the armor begin?"
/Gen 6 Starters/
Chestnaught: "YES! NOW I GET TO HAVE THE COOL FIGHTING TYPE!"
Delphox: *whips out magic fire stick*
Delphox: "How compelling. Now face the wall."
Chestnaught: "Wait, why?!"
Delphox: "Because you're about to get your ass beaten twice."
Chestnaught: "B-but I can still hard Counter Greninja with this typing.... right?"
Greninja: "AERIAL ACE!!!"
Chestnaught: "NOOOOOO!!!"
Mega-Venusaur: "I'm fat? Noice."
Mega-Charizard X: "I TOLD YA'LL IT WAS HAPPENING!"
Mega-Charizard Y: "Have fun with those Ground types, buddy."
Mega-Blastoise: *B I G F W O O O S H*
Mega-Sceptile: "I TOLD YA'LL IT WAS HAPPENING!"
Feraligtr: "Wait.... hol' up! You guys skipped me!"
Mega-Blaziken: "I got a need.... for SPEED!"
Mega-Swampert: "BRING THE RAIN, AND I'LL BRING THE PAIN!"
/Gen 7 Starters/
Decidueye: *is the night*
Incineroar: "Fun fact: for the past three generations, all of the fire secondary typings have countered the previous one.... also *R W A A A A A A A A A A R*
Announcer: "INTRODUCING, THE BEST WATER TYPE STARTER POKEMON OF ALL TIME!"
Primarina: "Oh my goodness! It's happening!"
Announcer: " GIVE IT UP FOR ASH-GRENINJAAAAAAAAA!!!"
Primarina: ._.
Ash-Greninja: "GRENINJA!!!"
Joshua Williams here at 12:25 Am before you get millions of likes. 5/10/2020
Cringe
Joshua Williams gold
Bro wtf are you blabbering
/Gen 8 Starters/
Inteleon: I used to cry, now I’m a spy! And for my Gigantimax, I wield a gun.
Rillaboom: I’m the drummer of the group, you know me well...
Cinderace: I got a neat move Court Change, a powerful fire move, and I’m due for the next Protean! Ready or not, HERE I COME!!!!!
Greninja: Amateurs.
All three starters: You literally aren’t allowed this...
Greninja: AMATEURS.
Greninja looks and feels like he came out of power rangers and I love it.
Power rangers ninja storm specifically
He looks like he came out of a medieval fantasy game to me.
Greninja : Why did i got banned :(
Reason : Throwing Trash cans to Fairy Types
Why did it throw itself at fairies
@@CJay101 says the mimikyu pfp okay
@@yaboywest5856 greninja is weak to fairy types lmao
@@CJay101 Gunk shot go brrrrr
@@hellothere4892 disguise exists 💀
Man I have been waiting for this for so long 😁
Tabu Bulu: **set Grassy Terrain**
Greninja: Congratulation. YOU PLAYED YOURSELF.
CZcams rn: lets take the comment section and push it somewhere else
Yeah. Am I the only one who kind of hates that change?
The Brave Guy no you are definitely not
If it ain't broke; don't fix it!
The comments works fine for me, I'm not sure what changed
Probably the best starter pokemon of all time, alongside with Blaziken
Unpopular Opinion
Greninja sucks, is overrated and GameFreak is biased to it
@@aerohydreigon1101 It don't suck if it's good Lmao
AeroHydreigon overrated in terms of what? He’s a good Pokémon, badass in the anime, a good competitive Pokémon, and he’s great in terms of design. You can’t call something overrated without being specific
AeroHydreigon he’s also been cut from gen 8, so that proves your point wrong regardless
@@Karaaa99
1. Better abilities and stats than the other starters
3. Garbage anime form
4. It's in smash
5. More popular than charizard
6. Game freak is too biased
7. Better shiny than other starters
Even though I don't play Pokemon competitively, I love watching your videos! They are so detailed and well explaned!
I can only imagine how long Rotom and its appliances and Landorus T is going to be...
Now that i think about it what is cinderace going to be like..
Imagine a vgc where cinderace with libero and greninja with protean staring down at the opponent...
How good was greninja?
Me: It's greninja you need an explanation?
I´m already hyped for "how good was cinderace actually?" I know, I have to wait quite some time for that, but I´m definetely looking forward
I remember Joaquin's Greninja, it kicked my ass so bad I didn't got to do anything
But that was so good, so good I felt admiration!
Of all the gen 6 pokemon that could've been covered, I'm glad that it was Greninja who was chosen to be the first gen 6 pokemon. Greninja was tailor made to be one of the best pokemon of all time, in both competitive pokemon and the hearts of fans. I still want you to cover Krookodile though
Seeing the absolute madlad-ism of Protean makes me wonder how even more amazing Cinderace can get when he finally receives Libero as an ability. He's coverage pales in comparison to Greninja's for the most part, but even some sets with gimmicky moves like Electro Ball could be enabled by that ability I think
Greninja: * is in OU for the entirety of its existence due to its type-changing ability *
Cinderace: You know, I'm something of a Greninja myself
Cinderace: I had to beat Gamefreak with a stick to this ability.
Yay finally you made a video about my favorite Pokemon, Greninja! He’s awesome!
Gren has an amazing design. Up there with scizor and gengar for me
I can't even enjoy that because pf its sky rocketing favouritism.
@@tobiasgund8048 tbf its significantly more subtle then there love for charizard
@@whydoiexist2180 Lol Charizard is the most overrated
@@tobiasgund8048 if you actually wanna see favouritism then take a look at Charizard before hating on Greninja
@@whydoiexist2180 Idk who ur against Greninja or Charizard?
Alternate title: How GOOD was Battle Bond ACTUALLY?
SaltyTreecko meh only he useless without it
Battle Bond didn't exist in Gen 6, it was Protean that made Greninja a star.
Lol Protean got him banned to Ubers
Also Protean
Well protean was incredible as well
Greninja: I'm the first starter not from Hoenn to be banned
Cinderace: Hello there
That’s not wrong though Greninja is the first starter not from Hoenn to be banned
Cinderace was banned only because there is not national dex anymore
+ I thought only libero is banned the blaze one is still usable in OU
I'd just like to give my personal experience with Greninja despite no one asking. So I missed ALOT of gens of Pokémon cause my family was literally dirt poor. Meaning the only gen I got to play was gen 1. I got to watch some friends play gen 2 but after that, Pokémon was not around for me. Fast forward 20 years and Sun &Moon came out. My fiancé bought it night of release for my birthday. I had to learn alot really fast, but I loved it. Then someone showed me Greninja. And to say that I fell in love with it is an understatement. I found all the anime I missed as a kid and re watched all of it BECAUSE of Greninja lmfao. I loved its design, the typing, the overall feel and playstyle. Greninja became not only my favorite starter, but one of my favorite Pokémon of all time. I sucked at competitive because I was missing like 15 years of experience, but Greninja made fall head first into competitive for the first time ever, and helped me learn a lot about the basics and strats and just how brutal competitive could actually be for Pokémon. I'm still not great by any means, but I can hold my own now.
I miss him, wish he was in gen 8 but it is what it is. I get that he is just as hyped as Charizard popularity wise, but in my opinion, he's better. I'm glad that newer generations has a Pokémon that is what Charizard was for my generation.
How nerfed was Protean actually
How good was Exploud actually? BOOMBURST!!!!
"How good was Greninja actually", you're shorter than I expected
Good video! Thanks for uploading!
Do u like poop
I still will always have love for Greninja 😢
I honestly expected a fifty minute video. Not that I'm dissapointed.
I wonder how long Heatran will be
Oh man you are in for a treat
it's been only 2 gens for Greninja lol, And it's not that great in doubles , But yeat Mat block definitely a thing when Garchomp needs a SD lol
@@mainakbiswas1758 Incineroar has been in 1 gen and the current one, but it won't stop him from being in a half-hour video.
HRCFr34k wanna bet for Landorus-T?
I remember when this series was in its early days and I was so sad thinking about how long it would take to get to greninja but here it is!
I don't like that we already have a Gen 6 mon, when we even still have some Gen 1 mons left.
@@tobiasgund8048 Why? FSG don’t have to go in order, and it’s not interesting to keep getting the same start and descent
awesome video mate
Honestly, I need to watch more of the Gen 6 competitions. The team comps looked crazy.
Our first Gen 6 Pokémon! Man hard to think we’re here. I remember the first Dragonite video.
I wanna know how good Medicham was, I wonder how its mega got to OU.
Pure Power.
100 base attack being doubled by pure power and then add 120 bp High Jump Kick and Fake Out/Bullet Punch for priority and here you go
@@nic9080 but still i want to know how it did in the other generations
@@tatsuya5888 but what about the other gens
@@emojifr... it was still pretty good, it had pure power even before it got the mega
Imagine how lucky Greninja got. It was given a cool design and right off the bat it was put in Smash 4 just off the design alone. But if didn’t fare in battle well, it wouldn’t have gotten as popular. Luckily, it was born a Pokemon with a great design, a great statspread, and a great hidden ability. Then to put the cherry on top, it absolutely shined in the XYZ anime, being both written and animated spectacularly. No wonder it won Pokemon of the year.
Greninja's statspread is that it has good speed and everything else is just mediocre so how is that a great statspread? Also in terms of writing Greninja in the anime has pretty much no personality, is a complete gary stu when it comes to battles and just happens to have a very very rare special ability what turns it into a new form what by a complete coincidence just happens to look like what his current trainer is wearing so not really written well by any means either.
@@V-Jes with 520 BST it has exactly what he needed look at serperior emboar decidueye
@@V-Jes “Gary stu” just a straight up lie on your part. And 102 is by no means a bad stat
@him Ash in XY seasons literally walks to a Gym with a Pokémon with a type disadvantage and just 1 shots 1 of the Gym leaders Pokémon with a not very effective move while his Pokémon take little to no damage at all when they get hit by super effective moves, also 103 is extremely mediocre for an offensive stat what is why every Greninja uses Choice Specs or Life orb these days...
@@V-Jes you when a Pokémon uses items to be more effective in a meta designed around efficient damage 😱 also are we forgetting that the anime Pokémon almost never strays to the games? Remember the time pikachu one shotted a golem with thunderbolt? Yeah I don’t think Greninja should be treated differently in an anime that is far different from the games since it’s a show not a game
Also known as: Cinderace’s future
Except Cinderace doesn’t have Greninja’s coverage. That said, Cinderace will still be insane regardless
Viperacrx600 Cinderace gets High jump kick, Iron head, Gunk shot, zen headbutt and U turn. It’ll probably a lot of move tutors in the dlc
Court Change utility: Am I a joke to you? (Still useful though. And, Normal type hurts it in actuality.)
@@axyzsz8162 Iron Head won't be that useful, don't know about Zen Headbutt
Ethan C. Super effective towards conkeldurr who’s in ou
How much special treatment did Gamefreak give Greninja actually?
*cries in Gen 2 Starters*
1?
Obligatory gf salt comment:
I loved using Greninja in gen 6, it was always such a good time. I think any buffs to it for doubles would have negative effects on it for singles. If it gets a defensive buff in doubles, then all the issues it causes in singles are exacerbated. I think greninja allows for such creativity from trainers that people are always gonna try to find a way with it as it is
Always glad to cause a bit of chaos in the Patreon vote! Thanks to the Discord for making my ridiculous dream happen.
Finally my boy get a video! 💪🏾
Avery J Greninja is my favorite pokemon! He’s the best and awesome