Is Netherite Too Hard To Get Now?
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- Minecraft 1.20 snapshot 23w04a and 23w05a have completely changed how to get netherite in Minecraft survival.
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if you read this comment your take on all of this - Hry
I don’t think netherite has enough benefits to justify its obtaining being this difficult
Yea I definitely agree with you imo it should either stay the way it is or give us the template thing BUT give netherite more uses
outside of pvp it is currently useless being that you can beat the game easily in iron armor. an iron kit with shield vs netherite kit with no shield if the player with a shield knows what they are doing id put my money on the shield all day. the most powerful item in the game costs one iron and a few planks but all that for 16% damage reduction boost (if you get a full set) not worth the diamonds which are super easy to get
Completely agree. Upgrading to netherite was barely worth it before, after 1.20 is out, I just won't bother with it. The difference between diamond and netherite gear is barely noticeable, aside from appearance. If they want to make it harder to get, they should increase the reward for all that grind.
@@emterroso Netherite armor gives players knockback resistance.
@@vindifrenzy1100 not by much...
I think they should implement a second function for the frost walker 2 enchantment. Like being able to cool down the surrounding lava around you enough to turn into basalt for a couple of seconds by just stepping on it. That way you're able travel around the nether more easily.
Yes brittle basalt it breaks after a short time the block could slowly turn hot and melt like you could see orange cracks appear and the grey turns red and boom it’s gone it could make crumbling sound
Thats my concept of it I hope you like it
YES, couldn't have said it any better 👍🏼
@@Ejdel_ thanks I’m glad you like it ☺️
I think it’s a cool idea, but maybe magma blocks would work better because cooled lava would still be hot or something idk
@@stardustcell2707 I like that Image concept too but the thought of constantly taking damage over time doesn't leave a satisfied conclusion. Unless they Implement 3rd effect like not being able to take damage from magma blocks when stepping on them. The reason why I went with basalt is because there's already a similar function in the game that called a basalt generator.
Bastions always felt like a real pain to find tbh
In my 10+ years of minecraft, I've never found a bastion through natural exploration, only ever with biome finder. Finding those things is harder than clearing them out. More time wasting chores for end game players. yay.
@@whitemagus2000 if you use java there is easy trick to find its commonly used in speedruns
@@whitemagus2000on my first realm we found a bastion after 5 minutes of exploring the nether
just fly like 3-5 mins with an elytra and you´ll probably find one if the chunks are from 1.16 or newer
@@whitemagus2000 genuinely not that hard to find, takes 20 minutes with an elytra and a stack of rockets. No more than an hour or two if you’re on foot pre-dragon.
Hey Wattl, just to clarify "The Treasure room" is only in one of the Four types of Bastion.
The Four types are: Housing Bastion, Bridge Bastion, Hoglin stables Bastion and Treasure Bastion.
The Treasure room one is the massive box with the Magma Cube Spawner and gold blocks.
The chests in the Treasure room are the ones that will 100% of the time have the netherite upgrade.
thank you!!
@@wattlesplays hi :)
@@wattlesplays Any time bestie!
I personally don't like the netherite upgrade, I do like the fact moyang tried to give use to diamonds again with the cosmetic armour strips
But It's kinda like an elytra on SMP, it can be scarce in a 1000 block radius of spawn, upside it's clonable. I just feel like it would be a lot more painful if you died and lost your armour
well dang, a friend's realm had 2 of those treasure bastions near spawn, one of which I set up a froglight farm (one I actually designed myself without any tutorials or aids. I didn't think to use powdered snow and made my design using cacti, which unfortunately endermen keep dismantling so I have to keep repairing it, but I digress). Tis a shame a lot of other bastions in the realm got raided too since the server owner went on a quest to find Pigstep and was having poor luck.
as much as I'm happy that Mojang is trying to go the right way, the template is only being found in a bastion feels really hard for me right now
Same. My world is so old, so I had to upgrade my nether in order to get the new biomes. Ive explored SO MUCH of it, and still haven't found a bastion. It would take days for me to wander that far in the nether, and its not really worth it for me at that point anymore.
@@bbekah if you are playing in an old world just make a lot of netherite stuff before the upgrade.
i think it should rarely, very rarely spawn in nether fortresses but i understand why they're currently limited to bastions too
@@bbekah Agreed. I’ve had SEVERAL worlds at this point, explored the Nether extensively in all of them, and have found exactly two bastions ever.
@@Chell1919 similar to strip mining, I use a ceiling grid of 2k x 2k blocks and drop down every 100 blocks with gravel or sand. I've found eight bastions and five forts so far and still have about 25% more of the total to explore. They are more common than you think.
YES, It’s WAY TO HARD to get now. Netherite already takes hours to get. It’s a pain. And now this, this is ridiculous.
I think with proper methods it’s not too hard. But this is too much
@@wafity Grinding for ores is way different than grinding for upgrade stones in bastions. Grinding for stones involves 2 layers of rng. First you have to find a bastion which will often be obscured by nether generation, meaning you can pass right by one and not know it. Then you have to hope that a stone generates in one of the chests. It's like if ancient scrap was twice as rare and had a 50% chance to yield nothing at all. It's just not a satisfying grind. Wandering for an indeterminate amount of time in a treacherous environment, just for a chance at a chance of finding what you want? At least with nether fortresses, they're big enough so that you can reliably find the resources you want. I feel like bastions should generate in connected clusters. Maybe connected by hidden passageways that link the basement cave areas together.
@@wafity Minecraft is more important than real life. Real life is just a sphere game.
@@wafity if you don't want to discuss minecraft, why are you commenting in the comments section of a minecraft video?
@@wafity Okay so then why did you even decide to waste your time by asking ?
I really like the idea of the upgrade template only being found in a bastion as it gives a new level of difficulty to upgrading to netherite gear. However, I believe that to make it balanced they should buff the netherite gear to compensate for the difficulty of getting it. This would also give more players an insentive to search for the upgrade template.
Like doubling the effects? Or what do you suggest?
I actually get what this person's saying.
It says here that Diamond and Netherite have the same protection points, but Netherite has more durability + anti-knockback. Both armor pieces are 80%, so maybe converting it to have more points would be a good idea. But I can see a problem happening if this would happenb. Considering Protection books exist, converting the Netherite armore tp have more protection points + protection would mean the player would almost be unstoppable. Which leads to another thing, Mojang could nerf all armor points so Netherite could reign supreme (again, considering Protection), but it can lead to controversy.
So it's either they nerf all armor types so Netherite can reign better or, I have a better idea for it, which is to make Treasure Rooms remain its 100% chance of finding the template, but letting other bastions have a low, but possible chance of having it.
But in all due in respect, this person does have a point.
i mean we all know everyones gonna do the same thing with the recipe, once you get one, youll just keep it around till you have enough diamonds, by the time your up to netherite u usually have a trading farm giving you perfect enchantments so eff 5 fortune 3 diamond pick will lead to diamonds comin out the wazoo, i usually end up with stacks of them with 0 purpose before i can be stuffed with netherite
Make it so netherite armor has a specific set of upgrades. Don't make it about traditional protection points. Let the chestplate attach an Elytra (I know they don't like this, but they're such a late game quality of life item that I think Mojang need to get over it on this one) give some sort of special attachable upgrades to each of the other pieces armor wise at the least. It would make Netherite feel like something more than Dark Diamond, and potentially open up kit decision making in end-game if there's a couple of attachment options for each piece, but you can only pick a limited number of upgrade slots or something.
They should put it in nether fortresses, they've been neglected for ages.
i really like that compass idea. you need to aimlessly wander to find a bastion, but it still leaves that mystery “will i find the template here?”
not only would that compass give you a bit of relief, but it also allows you to decide wether you want to mine in the overworld for tons of diamonds to duplicate, or use the compass to explore more bastions!
thats what i was thinking!! its great options all around!
@@wattlesplays Seems like the compass would have problems pointing to a bastion that hasn't been generated yet, no?
Yep awsome idea Wattles
@@johncolgrove1337 but cartographer maps locate mansions and monuments that haven't been generated yet, no?
here me out, chunk base
I think that instead of the upgrade template, piglin brutes could drop a similar item to it that explains why the armour they wear makes them so powerful
Also piglin brutes could rarely spawn in the wild, making them easier to find
They already have an explanation: their armband.
That would be so much better
@@trentbell8276 that's what I'm saying bro
You could get piglin armour parts and use that to make netherite
@@Fidg3tt Ah, I see.
Just make brutes drop the upgrade themselves
I like the idea of having to go to a bastion, but I think the upgrade template should be like the banner patterns, where if you have them you have them forever. Duplicating or finding another bastion isn't hard - it's just unnecessary grinding/pain and suffering.
Well not really, you just have to find one, the other grinding you ahve to do is only diamonds, and after you get your full set or armor, you are done and if you lose the armor or tool you will still have some materials on storage to replace that. So I think is good as it is!
@@TheDarkOne1920 Let me know how mining for 105 diamonds goes.
@@coulter9367 Pretty good actually, already have enough to make multiple sets of armor! Got a nice picaxe for the job!!
@@TheDarkOne1920 Bro has enough social time to waste for a diamond grind who is even worthless thinking that you can just use dimonds tools instad and getting so mutch more value..
the point is that maybe YOU! are ABLE to prend the time on that, but its just not the trend for anybody else who can't give 4 hourse every day on this game, and don't wanna waste 1 week (playing less hours like 1 hour a day) for a thing that's not even worth XD
@@iggyanthony4430 Maybe if you guys stop talking shit on the internet and plan your life better I would guarantee, you would have more time! Thats just my opinion on the update, the reality is that I'm not lazy and I choose to work for my stuff, thats why I like this change, I'm looking for a challenge! If you want all in a silver plater, you can play creative mode. Anyway good luck on your diamond search!!
I'll see your cartographer idea and raise you making a barter item. Give enough gold to piglins and they could eventually drop the location of their home. Having a piglin and not a villager give that information makes more sense and fits better. Kind of works like how dolphins can lead you to treasure or ocean monuments and ruins but instead it's the piglins giving a compass or map. Probably compass would be better.
Also is the treasure generated upon opening the chest or loading in the bastion?
The treasure is technically generated when opening the chest, but unless you have a luck effect the loot will always be the same in every world with the same seed
Because it's soooo expensive now, the netherite armor should give the player more defense instead of only knock back protection. I feel like there isn't a huge benefit when playing on a single player survival.
It's subject to change, they are always listening to the community.
@@mr.joker_9631 Given it didn't change at all in the last two snapshots, I think they've locked it in. Unfortunately, as I hate the whole thing.
not expensive.. villgers exist
@@Austinfdp you will still need to get those diamonds to duplicate the upgrade template
@@togekiss09 already got stacks of it over the years, people overreact to little things. Just don't. update until ur ready nobody focusing u
I think a lot of the issues that people (myself included) have with the new mechanic for upgrading to netherite could be solved by having the upgrade template, or an equivalent item, incorporated into the recipe for netherite itself. I mean, the recipe already has an open slot.
This would change practically nothing about its function to make netherite harder to get, while nullifying the complexity of upgrading to netherite.
I like that solution! But I’m in bed rock and it’s much harder to at least it feels like to me to find structures. Which is also why the compass would be good.
luck with structures varies. In a friend's bedrock realm there were 2 treasure bastions nearby the nether spawn, like within 100 to 200 blocks of easily traversable land both of them. Meanwhile a nether fortress on the other hand I had to traverse over 1000 blocks in a direction to find one.
I think it is, and here’s why.
Lots of people say “Oh, Netherite is so OP, it needs to be harder to get”. That is far from the truth.
The only thing Netherite is actually better at (besides looking cool) than Diamond is durability. The tools might be a couple frames faster, but it’s not like a Netherite Pickaxe lets you insta-mine deepslate with haste 2.
If we are being logical here, Diamond armor is actually BETTER than Netherite armor, because you can get infinite Diamond armor for practically free with villagers. It’s not like the lower durability matters anyway because Mending is so prominent in today’s Minecraft.
Netherite is theoretically worse than Diamond for that reason. You don’t need the extra durability, the knockback resistance is actually a hindrance since it makes it harder to escape mobs, and the anti fire burning is basically useless because by that point in the game you have golden apples and fire resistance potions, so it’s not like you’d die in lava anyway.
Since today’s farms and villagers are so good, it’s really easy to repair, replace, and enchant Diamond armor. There isn’t much reason to get Netherite other than to flex. I hate to say that as well because Netherite is a cool concept and looks amazing.
Them making it harder to get armor that already only really is a flex kinda makes it even less practical.
Netherite has armor toughness which makes you take a lot less damage which i think that alone makes it worth it
It's actually amazing how many people in this comment section are demanding netherite be harder because they ignorantly think it's OP. You're like the only person pointing out what a pathetically weak upgrade it is.
@@violetswordsman I did that too on several videos and got tons of hate thrown at me. Moreso than the armor though is how midling the upgrades to tools are. They don't get any faster at all, so you still cannot for example instamine deepslate with a netherite pickaxe. You can't break glass or wood faster either, which both remain annoyances for builders even with a Haste II beacon. The hoe, shovel, and axe - they all just get some extra durability. What's the point, now that they're going to make it so hard to get? Suggestions to buff the items in turn fall on deaf ears because Mojang thought the game balance was perfect as it was back in 1.14 and want everything to be random and/or grindy, forever. I hate it.
I think the better question would be is Netherite worth the hassle? I barely find it worth it today, the extra durability is hardly anything considering mending/unbreaking and xp farms/bottles are all easy, even when doing mass mining projects. I just don't have a strong compelling reason to upgrade to Netherite, and often do it really late game when I'm bored just to "finish" my gear.
thats a great point. i wonder if it should be buffed in some way
I’m all for Netherite being harder to get, But It’s just too expensive for me
to care about getting it now. It takes seven diamonds per template. And
not just for amor but your tools too, 56 to 100 diamonds for a full set,
On top of the 24 diamonds for just diamond armour alone.
and if you wanna trim another 28 diamonds
there is barley any bonus to having nethirite
now it is basically tripple the price???? A hoe costs 8 diamonds???
Maybe it would be a good idea to incorporate it into the bartering loot table! I might try to make a datapack that does that once the update drops. Then again, last time I made a datapack, not only did it not work, but it also crashed Minecraft (And I use a really laggy computer that doesn't like loading MC).
The main thing is that the thing is called an upgrade and more people would like it if it looked better and not modded because if you had to find like a special item to add as well people might like it more and if it would not seam modded
(just changing the texture and name)
The thing is not called upgrade, it's called smithing template, but I agree the should work on a better name and maybe a better texture.
On what I don't agree ia the moded thing. Every update will look moded at first because is somethig new that is coming to the game, so you don't have gameplay time with the update. When the update is done and out it will just feel like another feature in minecraft not a mod. This always happens at the start of an update but then everyone will be acostum to it.
@@TheDarkOne1920 I understand that and I got the name wrong, but it still is not the best item because of the way it doesn't make sence in game lore and other things.
@@vegmonster Well why it doesn't make sense? I'm not fully into minecraft lore. But I also I imagine that new items at first wouldn't make sense lore wise, because there is no lore build around it, so maybe this update will add that and/or future updates too.
thanks for making a vid like this wattles! as some one who is sort of nervous about the nether but likes a challenge Im not sure myself yet. iv never upgraded to Netherite the old way before though so I'm not sure :) (yet)
I literally made a bunch of spare netherite stuff just because I have explored my nether super far out and it will be pretty hard to get the template after the update. I do think it's a cool new feature and gives diamonds a new purpose but it does make it significantly harder for the average player and for people who have older worlds. It's a weird one because it incentives exploration which is cool but also when there is more cool updates in the future you are going to have to go super far
If it showed up in other structures as well it would be fair. But Bastions are hard to find. And that 10% chance is brutal considering the bastion’s rarity. Also duplicating it costs too many diamonds.
bullshit it’s still too easy imo. go enchant fortune on your pick, strip mine half an hour and you got yourself more than a stack diamonds
@@85f3rdidiamonds are harder to find now too ever heard of the deepslate generation problem. I had fortune and effienency on my pick and only found 9 diamonds in a massive ass dripston cave connected to another massive ass cave. And with my fortune 3 pick i could only make a diamond chestplate and leggings. Diamonds are incredibly stupid to search for now the diamons per chunk has decreased drastically upon introduction to deepslate generation
@@85f3rdiyour just a tryhard its hell for casual players
17:00 maybe sometimes a piglin can barter you a map to a Bastion. They live their so they probably have some sort of coordination to get there in treacherous terrain, idk how they'd get paper though
i think the compass is a good idea. either that or make netherite armour even better than it is now to add incentive to doing the long search
Love the idea of a compass for bastions, maybe it could be a lodestone compass that has multiple points marked, so once you find a bastion you must kill a brute and break a lodestone first. I feel like, while I love having to find a bastion to upgrade to netherite, I find in the nether navigating is horrible.
I think that in the current version (1.19) getting Netherite is extremely easy and being realistic I never go to a Bastion unless I want pigstep, I really like this new mechanic
Finding Diamonds with only an Iron pikaxe was much more challenging.
Now with Diamond armor, pikaxe and enchantments, Netherite ist no Problem at all.
True I never go to explore bastions 😅😅
Honestly, Pigstep has always been enough of a reason for me to go Bastion Busting
@@marcelwindbrake4477 villager exists just trade armor
i love how to makes them more of something you need to check out!
It would be much better if we got Master Templates that are not consumed when used to make the upgrade templates that are actually used for crafting/armor designs.
I totally agree. We NEED a bastion/fortress compass. It once took me over 4hrs to find a single nether fortress, nevermind a bastion!
I like the idea of going to bastions to find templates, like you need to risk yourself, but finding those templates has cons:
1- finding them is rare.
2- duplicating them is expensive.
How to solve these problems:
1- increase the percentage of finding them.
2- diversify the ways to get them, you can maybe find them from piglin trades.
3- make the crafting recipe cheaper by switching the items such that it takes a diamond surrounded by netherack to duplicate.
35 diamonds for a full set of diamond armor, 70 for a full set of Netherite. Doubling the diamonds to go up 1 tier seems fine. At the very lest it shouldn't be cheaper than the previous tier. There's a problem in minecraft where end game the diamonds pile up with no use, since they've never really added additional items that need them. Netherite isn't needed for anything. it's an end game luxury time, a status symbol. So I'm glad diamonds will final have a use again.
@@Xerain Same
@@Xerain If we want to get very technical about things its even less diamonds than that. Villager trading can get you all your weapons/tools/armor so in reality you just have to get the upgrade and duplicate it eleven times (I always run a silk and fortune pick so I'm adding one to the pile) so that's only 77 diamonds for a full netherite set. Throwing this same mechanic in for the armor trims gives you more value to diamonds as you have to duplicate all of those as well, as well as trim incentivizing getting Netherite more so you don't lose your armor in lava (and all the trim work) there is a greater need for diamonds.
However, I still don't think netherite is worth picking up and constantly having to go out and get diamonds whenever I want to make, say decorative armor with dyed leather and trim, I'm just not compelled to go do that. It doesn't feel like a fun thing to do, it feels like a chore and when we see the best place to get diamonds has deepslate either sprinkled through out or is the exact stuff you're mining through I'm even less compelled to go. Let's say they made the change to where netherite pickaxe could insta-mine deepslate with haste 2 beacon + efficiency V. Then I'd be more likely to go out to get the diamonds. But until that happens, why even do any of this?
You say Netherite is an "endgame luxury item," something I'm not going to disagree with, but take a look at how quickly you can get to "endgame" nowadays. Villagers + Exp Farm + two diamonds (which can be gotten through chests) and you can have perfect armor and tools within an hour or two. Mojang doesn't want to make the game more difficult by barring access to items without the right progression (which is what Minecraft used to be in the past) so instead they're adding this weird "upgrade template" path that is needlessly expensive. I think they have the right idea of actually having a progression system in the game, they're just doing it backwards by introducing the end level before doing the rest of progression leading up to it, while also not giving any real reason to go to that tier of upgrade.
I really like number 3 and number 2, those are really good ideas
@@Xerain to go up one tier that has the same amount of armor protection? no thanks
They honestly should have been this challenging to obtain from the get go.
Yeah but I think at the same time they should have given it a buff because if they didn't they would be really no choice just one extra hit point of protection.
Only if it makes deepslate insta-mineable.
@@markleal16 they intentionally made it so you can’t instant mine, but they definitely still should’ve made it just a little bit faster.
@@foxdoesyoutube2621 fully enchanted netherite armor is the new God armor so I would say it's worth it
I agree
I love this new netherite process however i would like a change to the texture of the template, it doesnt feel minecrafty enough to me, if it was more like the trims it might fit in better but i dont like the arrow on it
I think an Echo Shard + an item dropped from a brute crafted into something. could be a compass or a different locating item. I think involving these different locations added to the game forces people to explore and find them first before able to get God like gear.
I think that the upgrade template is too expensive. Diamonds aren't renewable and with netherrite upgrades and armor trims, it's just not feasible to expect so many diamonds. Diamonds should be made renewable somehow (diamond nuggets?). I also think that ancient debris/scrap should be more common. Maybe there could be a new use for netherrite to give the player an option about what to use their netherrite on. Because as it stands, the only reason to mine for ancient debris is to upgrade armor, and once you've done that there's no point in doing it again
For diamonds you just have to mine them, I don't really think they will make them renewable, that would be very unbalanced for the game.
Anothe use for netherite would be really nice, but I can't imagine on what tho, it will have yo be very very good to use a really expensive material on that object, but that would be really cool!
Totally agree, it’s too expensive. The template being single use makes no sense. It’s easy to find diamonds but I don’t want to spend hours and hours mining just for slightly better gear.
bruh do you want everything spoon fed to you? what's the point if everything is easy
@@senorlodensteinyeah but why spend 3 hours on something that barely even helps, I don’t agree with making ancient debris easier or diamonds renewable, but the Katherine upgrade is just lazy ngl
@@alienngl 3 hours??? it takes like 20 minutes for a full set with tnt/beds
They should add world difficulty or something. It wouldnt affect mobs but it would change the loot in chests. So people who want to have more of a challenge to get netherite could make a world with higher world difficulty. It would also affect things like diamonds in shipwrecks.
I've only been playing a couple of years, but I always get spectacularly bad nether spawns. I've never seen a bastion or a fortress in the nether. Heck my last nether spawn required me to go about 1000 blocks to even find soul sand...
So not only can I not win the game at this point, apparently in the future netherite will be off the table for me as well.
I've only found one myself and, after knowing where it is for over a year only just started trying to raid it. Combat is my least favorite part of Minecraft so I'm not finding it all that enjoyable. I don't look forward to this change as I really despise the idea of having to do it again just to upgrade anything to netherite.
This change will never affect people who were already getting their netherite, this just makes it harder for them to get more. I dont get the change, people who never had it just wont now. Seems like the wrong group is being penalized.
I started a survival world on that snapshot and used chunkbase to find a bastion with treasure room.
Saved me a lot of time.
Im conflicted about the change but i feel like eventually I could get around it. It sucks to have to wander even more for these.
I hope for two things. I hope that the Upgrade Template is moved or given some more lore, and I hope that Netherite isn't made too much harder to obtain.
As far as lore implications go, this all but confirms the reason for the bastions, as well as who made them. I've always theorized that netherrack is a type of hard sand that's almost claylike, and this update also seems to support this. The nether is described as volcanic, so it must be rich in silica, which is why the blocks are so brittle. This would explain why a template made of netherrack breaks after upgrading gear from diamond to netherite, and why it's so easy to duplicate them.
type of bastion to go to is the treasure room ones, it has gold blocks in the middle with magma cube spawner. 100% chest rate. i think its 2 also
Wattles am I glad you put these videos out, I wouldn't have a clue how to do half this stuff. As much as I would like the netherite upgrade, I can think of much more enjoyable things to do than spend hours trying to find the correct bastion to search. Great video tho.
your ideas are all so good every time! Mojang should be paying you for your youtube videos and use the ideas!
My opinion is that this update is great and we need it from a long time
The best thing is that the diamond is more important and useful now , cuz the previous updates made it useless (u can get full diamond set from villagers and there is no other use for it)
I like that it is harder. It's not like diamond were that weak to begin with. This makes netherite item into really (I'm talking REALY) late game if you're wanting for a change on your armor set.
All that work for an item with slightly better stats.
I believe they should have just leave the Netherite at that and make armor with special abilities with ingredients that are hard to get
@@marmyeater That's my point. Just use diamond armor. It's good enough already. Mojang never nerfed it. It still is the same as it is in terms of suvivability. It's not like we have never experience diamond armor only, on hard difficulty, before 1.16 (unless those who started playing during pandemic).
Just make finding netherite template your end game goal, when it's getting boring in your mc world. Go on a journey and find it just for the achievement. (eh, I believe most of us are using chunkbase anyway)
I do believe this netherite template only applies to armor, not tools. So you can still benefitted from netherite hoe, the best item in the game hands down.
@@marmyeater and resistance to lava, which most people seem to forget is a thing
@@Booklat1 It doesn't melt in lava, but the only resistance it gives you is to knockback,at least that was the case last time I checked.
I usualy don't even walk into a bastion before I have netherite armor (I only play hardcore). This this is gonna make it a lot harder for me. :(
OR, we trade gold with piglins to get a compass/ map to guide us
Could be a rarer piglin with a different skin so we know when we've found one
Or a trade that occurs way less frequently than the others
I think yes it has made the game a lot harder tbh. Not in terms of singleplayer but in multiplayer. I as a player who always plays multiplayer i can assure you that whenever a server is released with a good amount of players every structural resources vanish in like 2-3. Also i guess it is hard to get it in singleplayer too but you have a chance there atleast.
My biggest issue with the new mechanic for make netherite armor and tools isn't necessarily how expensive it is. It just isn't consistent. If we can make diamond armor and tools without an item that basically just teaches us how to do it, why do we need one for netherite?
Because netherite is not like other armors, it is made different than diamonds. With diamonds you already have the idea of how to do it because you did an iron one already.
@@TheDarkOne1920 Than how did we get the idea for how to make iron armor?
@@evancasalino9644 Thats a pretty good question, amybe the should implement somethig with leather armor so you can learn gow to do it. But then again minecraft is a game of simple things making crafting armor more complicated, for me will change the game of the worst. So yeah maybe the can do somethig with lorw, but I think is better to leave it simple and to just have as a simple game feature to protect yourself better against enemies
@@TheDarkOne1920 I'd agree with that. The simplicity of crafting is one of the charming aspects of minecraft that I like. This is why I think that upgrading to netherite should also be simple (I don't mean easy). The netherite upgrade template just complicates the consistent simplicity of armor progression.
@@evancasalino9644 Yeah I can see that, but I consider netherite as another type of armor apart of normal armor, so I think because of the nature of netherite is the one material that can break that law. Because remenber, netherite is not made with carfting table and is not like normal armor were you made with the ingots is more of a rare metal coat that you put on top of the diamond.
So basically netherite armor is just diamond but with a coat of a very strong metal on top, and thats why it doesn't fallow the rules of normal minecraft armor. So I think, netherite is it's own thing apart off.
Now if the add more armor types, I think the should fallow one of those 2 rules the normal armor crafting rule or the armor coat rule... Basically minecraft now have 2 rules to making armor.
For the bastion locator, I think the item should be similiar to eyes of ender, where a powerful mob like the brutes drop something which can be crafted into an eye to track bastions.
That compass idea is *chefs kiss* love it! Honestly I think you should be made a dev.
The bastion compass is an amazing solution! Very creative on your part. It's rare that the devs use an exact community idea but I really hope they find and use this one.
My one note is that if you're struggling to find a bastion, the brute may not be the best way to obtain the compass. Instead, maybe we could trade piglins for it. Their loot table is pretty expansive, so this would still be a pretty rare thing to get ahold of but at least you can chuck a stack of gold and wait a while for the compass trade rather than traversing the Nether aimlessly for who knows how long.
yeah but is it really a solution though if you still gotta go thousands of blocks away?
The template is a major problem. In multi player servers that's a lot more bastions your going to need.
Professional minecrafters are already starting to skip netherite, hermitcraft has players not getting netherite cause they find it to time consuming ho replace. That's currently. This new system just makes it worse.
Honestly it feels like a lot of those who want it harder just want to flex on the have nots. Isn't that what Armour trim is for?
Though to be fair all the CZcams SMP series have turned far more into giant roleplays at this point than actually playing Minecraft. Even the technical minded players who used to build the big redstone farms and stuff have to use every other episode to do the song-and-dance. This is due to the algorithm starting to turn against MC content, the 1.19 update being such a PR disaster, little kids preferring the RP types of interactions, and Mojang's reluctance to make any big changes to the game, including ones that it really needs and the community's been asking for, for years in some cases.
This basically solve the issue with "useless diamonds" we had. Finding one upgrade is enough to create duplicate using diamonds that probably a lot of people have stacks already... Well, at least for creating full set of armour and tools equipped with OP mending enchant, that is still easily optainable.
Dude this is giving me flashbacks of trying to find pigstep... It's 3 years later and I've explored over 20 bastions with no pigstep in sight
Honestly im glad they made it harder,they need to make the wither on java harder too,and make the ender dragon have more attacks like the dragons in elden ring
If I wanted to play fromsoft games I would do that. Leave Minecraft like it is.
Definitely agree, the bosses are just tedious rn.
Honestly, i enjoy the smithing template, but in it's current state it could in my mind really go with a crafting recepie, so that you don't need to go out to search for a bastion just to get one.
the ability to craft it would defeat the point tho. The point being that you need to use the diamond tools for longer, which is forced by the fact that you need to get in and out a bastion with only diamonds without getting killed
The point of it is to explore to find it! Making it carftable defeats the purpose of exploring and also makes netherite an end game armor still pretty easy to get.
So if the solution is, not exploring and getting netherite petty easy, is no a good solution...
Yes, this. Probably how I will fix it with a datapack. Just a crafting recipe of 8 netherrack plus one diamond, or something like that.
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I don’t see myself going for the armor templates without something to incentivize me to gather them. Either different trims give different buffs as a full set or another idea. The trims fall flat if the player doesn’t have a reason to find them.
I actually like the map idea... give the cartography table a bit more use. Give it an infusion slot. Let it generate maps to structures based on what is infused into the map(for this example maybe blackstone gold ore). Would also cost a compass and point to a structure closest to where the map was created. If not created in the same dimension it would lead to a random one(very possibly thousands of blocks away).
Honestly this is a good change. It was pretty easy to get if you knew what you were doing. Plus this gives you a reason to go to the bastion other than pigstep.
I’m fine with needing to find the template but it being single use and requiring 7 diamonds to duplicate is too much, imo.
no it wasn't, it was never easy, you're capping
@@IrisThatOneGothMfif you use beds to look for debris you can average more than 1 debris per 2 beds if you do it right. Debris is very common
@@just70hq IT IS NOT, I'VE TRIED.
@@IrisThatOneGothMf skill issue! getting to the tresaure room bastion is easy! its the one with the gold blocks and magma cube spawner!
i think since the template is so hard to find they should make it able to upgrade anything w only one ingot, like if you have an iron chest plate, you could use the template and a diamond to make it a diamond chest plate
Another issue is that if you play on a server or realm(which is the most fun way to play imo) only a few lucky people will get templates and everyone else has to find a million diamonds to craft templates. Which in itself is hard with a lot of people cus you have to go far away to find an undepleted mine for diamonds.
I like that it’s more challenging, but I despise that they’re leaving this upgrade up to random chance - mining for the Ancient Debris is tedious and random enough.
I’d prefer it if they (finally) added a summonable Nether boss that either dropped the template or a special item that’s used to craft the Netherite armor (kind of like how the Wither drops the Nether Star).
I think the reason you have to do all the journeying is, well, to journey! the devs have said they want it to be a more immersive and journey based game as well, and spending time journeying. I still think they should yet increase the chances of finding the upgrade though.
I’m fine with the journey. It’s always been a fun part of the game but making the template single use just adds more grind to an already grindy game. 7 diamonds to duplicate it is too much.
@@mabatch3769 i think that maybe the recipe is too much, max 5 should be good, but also you can really just survive your whole Minecraft life in a cave barely going out, so idk...
I love chill exploration. I do not love this. I like boating around the ocean clearing out all the shipwrecks, broken portals, buried treasures, and sunken villages; that's fun to me. I don't want to fight in bastions. That is not fun, that is extremely dangerous, and requires breaking my pacifist gameplay style. There needs to be some kind of alternative for getting this that does not require the bastion.
@@QuasarEE yeah i guess everyone does have their own styles, mojang should take that into considerations
Remember when minecraft was meant to be play it how you want but now you have to do the journey. The only things you should have to do is mine and craft
I'm not fond of the difficulty in finding the template but I would be a bit more okay with it if your idea of a brute having a 5-10% chance of dropping a bastion compass. Maybe even finding them in at a low 3-5% chance in a fortress that points to them, or fortresses to give some direction in the nether, but still doesn't guarantee the bastion has one. 5% to find one before? I wouldn't even bother looking but would keep an eye out if I look in bastions. 10%, I might go look for them...depends on my mood. A possibility of getting a netherack compass with a gold needle to find other bastions, Nice. If there are sentient inhabitants in the nether then they would likely have a way to know where they came from anyway. Paths, compass, maps, enchanted/attuned compass to lodestones in bastions? Something. Maybe a lodestone in each bastion in the center and a 5% chance to drop a random attuned compass off of a brute or a 0.1 chance of the piglins to trade for one that connects to a random bastion 0-1000 blocks in a random direction but connected only to that bastion. It would make one think before removing the lodestone in a bastion or the next compass they get goes nowhere.
Love the idea you had. As it stands, I probably won't care to get netherite armor. It doesn't add that much extra protection for the amount of work compared to diamonds. If it added more armor or the armor protected you from lava and/or fire without enchants then, maybe now I would understand.
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I kind of like that they gave a point to the bastions. In current minecraft, a bastion is something i accidentally find while looking for a fortress.
I like it tbh, i felt like i would barely spend much time on diamond gear cause after spending a day mining in survival you'd probably have enough ancient debris to immediately upgrade
with the new way to upgrade i just see how it would work with more type of material. imagin a new metal that you could use to upgrade your stuff. you still need to go to nether to get the upgrade but after that if new minerals comes in the game, it could be the way to upgrade any armore :)
I think we have to look at this holistically. I watched another video recently on diamonds being turned into essentially useless items at the late endgame, and I had to agree with them. The only case for diamonds at that late in the game is repairing armor sets, which you often don't have to do because you have mending. I often end up with tons of diamonds at that stage in the game, despite there being no such thing as a diamond farm. Having a very expensive (in all honesty, probably too expensive) crafting recipe with diamonds is a good thing because it gives players a USE for diamonds at the point in the game where they should be pursuing netherite. That being said, they should now consider buffing netherite!
If they don't add a new map, I think they might need to either bump up the odds of finding a template in the chests, or increase the spawn rate of treasure bastions. However a historian villager would be really cool to have and fit in really well with the new update. Overall though, I think that Netherite has been way to easy to acquire in the past, and this will help balance the game out more.
I have found a total of 5 Ancient Debris. Used 2 for a TNT Mining Flying Machine, and have 3 netherite scraps.
Idk what to do next other than eff 4 mining in the nether.
I usually just branch mine for it. I don't trust myself with beds and all the fire and lava they expose. It's slow, but it's relatively chill.
I like the bastion compass idea a lot!
i think at some point its no longer viable to raid bastions, and the smithing template is definitely too expensive. Netherite isnt really worth it imo, we always managed fine with diamond anyways.
I would use the warden as an excuse to get netherite but there's no reason to go down to the deep dark and fight him unless you want enchanted golden apples to which case I don't see the point but okay
In my survival world I still don't have any netherite tools. It's lower on my priority list but I'm excited to make it a hard challenge. I feel like it'll make it a whole project
I just started playing in 2019 and have never been in a bastion. While a relatively new player, I am excited by the challenge of going into a bastion to get the netherite. Unfortunately I have not seen a bastion in any of my worlds. I like the compass idea but would it be like a buried treasure map and only focus on the closest bastion that you aren’t currently in? I would say maybe find it in a Fortress since they are a bit more common. Or part of Piglin bartering? Great idea Wattles. Send that idea to kingbdogz lol
You haven't found 1 bastion? How
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I like the netherite template being somewhat hard to get, as netherite definitely shouldn’t be easy.
However I think there should be some kinda guaranteed chance to get at least just 1 from each bastion, the fact that with my normal luck(or lack there of) I can loot 2 or 3 bastions just to get 1 is ridiculous, especially since I’ve been in worlds that you had to travel a few thousand blocks to even get to a bastion at all.
Seeing how overpowered netherite is in some cases, I personally think they did this quite good. Now you won't find like half the people in a server being in netherite
Netherite is very far from being powerful enough to justify this effort over diamond haha
I am like a reverse magnet for loot and have yet to find a bastion, I hope they become more common
honestly this is such a great idea, with a compas like this you could even lower the chances of finding a template since there's something to assist you now, just for a little balance
yes!! true
I like how this works. Diamonds were beginning to seem useless, but now they have a new use. Also, netherite was too easy to get. Overall the only bad thing is I don’t like how the netherite upgrade looks 😂
Yeah netherite tools are difficult to get, expecially with people who rarely play or are doing a challange like superflat or skyblock. Also maybe archeology can be a way to get the templates and netherite upgrades, and diamonds in superflat
I think getting full diamond everything isn't very hard coz villager
i do like the idea of the compass actually
i didnt like the new method because i hate wandering the nether too, it just seems needlessly dangerous, but i would be willing to find one bastion if the rest were easier to find
I think this is a good mechanic because of the challange of going to a Bastion and risking losing all of your items if you don't play with keep inventory on
There's nothing really difficult about obtaining netherite you just have to grind for a longish time. And let's be honest diamonds in minecraft now are not hard to find. It just takes a while to gather them but you will eventually end up with a stack in a chest if you explore structures and mine enough with fortune
That’s true but that’s why I don’t like the change. It just adds more grind. Needing to find the template to upgrade is fine. It being single use is not good, imo. Makes no sense. It be like if banner patterns were single use.
When you’re not a kid and work a job that doesn’t involve playing video games, increasing the grind requirements IS adding to the difficulty. Massively. To this day I’ve never even bothered to get netherite at all. It’s easier to harvest withers and just beacon up everything.
@@dustinmetzger you have the time to get the resources for multiple beacons but not like 20 minutes to mine netherite?
@@senorlodenstein iron farm, wither skeleton farm, nether roof wither kill chamber. I’ve been building them since before netherite existed and by this point they’re all easy. I usually have a dozen free beacons in inventory at any given time just in case I need them.
@@dustinmetzger i dont doubt that. but getting netherite is also easy. 15 minutes and a stack of tnt and you'll have a full set of armour in no time. i dont understand how you can wrap your head around the concept of automated mob farms but not blowing up tnt
If anything, things are generally TOO EASY to get everything in the game, especially useless items in supposedly rare item chests. Bring on the (useful) challenge please, thanks.
Never found a piglin baston personally but like the change will incentivize me to find one! Simple solution i wouldnt mind is make them a bit more common.
Bastions can be difficult to find and there is no guarantee that there will be a template even once you do find one. plus if you play on a server with other people ALL the Bastions are already looted anyway. luckily for me i dont really bother with netherite anyway, i enjoy going on a mining session sometimes to find it but then it just sits there in my treasures chest.
Yes. It’s too hard to get netherite and I hate the new mechanic
Edit: it’s my opinion bruh, you guys can like it. I can live with this new mechanic, but I prefer the old one
git gud lol
It was too easy before
No one asked u
I would still say that its better than what we had before. It didn’t take much to get full netherite armor and tools once you had all diamond gear. Maybe two hours worth of digging in the nether which is a joke compared to getting full diamonds armor and tools which takes much longer early game. It needs to be made harder to get if netherite is the best upgrade for your tools and gear. So what if it takes longer to get, at least its meaningful to obtain now. Even the use of diamonds in crafting new netherite gear i am good with because eventually diamonds become obsolete in late game.
I like a challenge
I think Moganj should make it so you only need one diamond,6 of the needed block, and the template to duplicate the templates or use the new archaeology update so you have to put a pot fragment or whatever there called on to a plan template and after you used it, the design would be taken of and you would have to put another design on and repeat the process.
You should be able to barter with a piglin and get a bastion map similar to villagers giving maps to ocean temples and woodland mansions
I like the mechanic but I also think they should do the same for leather, like a lesser upgrade tablet you can find in chests that uses wax to turn leather armor into treated leather or something.
good idea, i also like the idea of an iron upgrade to steel (mad with iron and coal blocks) just like iron but slightly better, i think the jump between iron and diamond is too big
Maybe. I personally think they should make it to where you only need one template in total. Instead of a template per upgrade. I’m fine with being able to duplicate it in the crafting table, but it’s kinda expensive. Maybe even add a durability level. The use less Diamond and a piece of netherrack to fix it up.
If they do go with this, they need to make bastions more common, they feel so incredibly rare in my opinion, I've explored my worlds nether quite a lot and haven't even found one, if bastions become more common then I think this update won't be so bad
How about a few new Eye of Ender recipes - one for bastions and one for the fortress? Both bastions and fortresses would have the extra ingredients to find the other structures, and like a normal Eye of Ender, it has the risk of breaking upon use. But you would at least have a sense of which direction to go to find the next nearest bastion or fortress. Also it could be coded to filter any results that include the one you're standing in if you're within its radius, always guaranteeing it finds you one you're not in at the moment.
As for the difficulty, ever since I found our fire resistance potions make you 100% immune to lava it doesn't seem that bad anymore - especially when using the 8 minute long varieties. You just need some blast protection enchantments on some of the armor to help with the Ghast attacks.
I don't use up diamonds for hoes or leggings anymore since already enchanted mending versions are easy enough to loot from the Ancient Cities.
so what they should do instead is have seperate ones for tools and armour but make it so you can use one 2 times then have to get another one almost like an anvil where it shows damage done to it and posibbly make the diamonds needed down by 2 possibly
they could easily fix the complaints if they added a new villager that would respond to a block found in bastions that would sell the netherite upgrades and armor accessories. you still need to go get netherite and u can even make the purchase still expensive with a cured villager
I love the change but thinks there should be atleast 1 per bastion. Cause unless you want to hike for miles your only gonna find maybe 3 or 4 bastions locally. And that doesn’t require any huge new mechanics
I feel like if they’re wanting to change this then they should have a blacksmith villager carry the template and make it as rare as the mending villager
Or make the both main structures have a chance of getting an upgrade piece since you kinda need to go to a nether fortress for fire resistance potions.