What if Madara KILLED Hashirama?!
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I like to think that Hashirama would have had to kept stabbing himself repeatedly hundreds of times over in order to die and Madara would have eventually stopped him inevitably over how awkward it got.
lmao my roommate and I are dying over the idea that basically an unkillable man is just standing there stabbing himself over and over again like, "Oh god! Owwww! I'm Sorry! I'm SoRRy!!" until Madara goes, "Christ, I get it! It's fine! IT'S FINE! Just stop doing that!"
He accidentally create a forest outta desperation
lol “please stop me”
maybe he can like chose to turn the healing on or off
@@zlptkon its not really a ability he just has strong cells unless hes like tsunade
Imagine taking a walk in the forest one day and accidentally crossing paths with Kurama…
Happens all the time
@@NCHammer23 Hey, someone is using your Profile Pic and saying they are Winners of a Prize.
Literally on this Post!
I got one.
@@WackyWapper i got one too
Then you beat its ass and make it yo pet yea imagine
bro I'd turn around soooofast
Tobirama declared First Great Ninja War against Madara.
Nick out here trying to make Naruto: "What if?" a thing and I'm a thousand percent for it.
Just type what if Naruto in a CZcams search it is already a thing
Naruto what ifs have been going on for years
@@quentinjones6877 but none of them are as good as Nick's. They are just random and kind of out there while Nick's are logical and are based on facts available from data books and light novels
@@Supreme_Rage do you watch Naruto explained what ifs?
Thanks so much! I love making them
This story line would be absolutely jacked. Tobirama would find a way to beat madara though. Dude was too smart
I don't think Tobirama would be so forgiven❗😔
Madara after EMS was going toe to toe with Hashirama on the regular, Tobirama has no chance bruh.
@@williamanderson8051 hashirama never once fought full out, I think bloodlusted tobirama with a couple years to develop a perfect counter jutsu wins high diff
You all of this could've been avoided if Tobirama had kept his mouth shut and let the past die out cuz it was him who push Madara to read the stone tablet sure it was that zetsu that manipulated Madara but no one manipulate tobirama
In his actions think of the world could had been had Tobirama died that day
@@godofwind200 tobirama was just more realist. the thing was, madara never trusted the senju and would totally disagree with hashirama on how to run the village
The way you said Black Zetsu wanted Indra and Asura DNA mixed together right after saying Kushina was a valid choice did make a weird fanfic very possible. Black zetsu trying to make people fall in love instead lol
...ummmmm
I’ve never even thought of that holy shit
we need that filler
Then the reincarnate of madara would be mikoto.
@@sanchodesangleyaragon3492 MikotoXKushina what if fanfic when?
*Madara kills Tobirama*
Tobirama: And now... this world shall know Pain!
Seeing Madara under Chakra Mode is kind of scary.
Yes though Not scarier than hundreds of Uzumakis using adamantium chains
@@benedictjajo if they were as numerous as other villages they could probably seal an otsuki.
@@benedictjajoassuming than all uzumaki had adamantine chains it's like saying that all the Uchiha had the mangekyo sharingan.
And I also doubt that the chains are strong enough to supress KCM2 EMS Madara, who would have a majestic attire susanoo more powerful than the one he used against hashirama in the original timeline, since in this case the susanoo itself would be powered by Kurama's chakra.
@@jerichopagtama6771if only they were still around, boruto’s story would’ve ended really quickly lol
If madara was hokage , konoha wouldn’t be united so in the end you wouldn’t have cohesive units , every clan would be in their little corners. It doesn’t matter how strong madara is, wars are fought on many battlefronts. Konoha would eventually fall or crumble from within. Konoha only worked out because the senju bros were in the position of leadership.
I respect your take on the matter. I believe that Madara with progressing power and possession of the 9 tails is enough for a organized Nation to not Attempt to war against them . Because Madara wouldn't let a clan of his village get attacked by an outside threat (Stone, Cloud ,etc) he would retaliate and wipe the floor with whoever attempt an act of war against the Leaf. Even if clans of the leaf went rouge (similar to how Mist ninja went rouge during blood Mist era) Madara would be to powerful to be opposed. Even some clans will unify and follow Madara and basically "Get with the Program" of the new form of democracy for survival. Likely other NATIONS would submit to Madara and the Leaf. The Leaf would reshape morally and Their "Ninja Way" would alter, but Madara would still establish a POWERHOUSE. Who's going to stop him and a MACHINE (leaf village) behind him if Hashiram Is dead ?
@@hebrewsamurai1stshinobi201 and how would he organize troops if not so long ago these people were killing each others? How would he create a cohesive units to deploy onto battlefields and not expect them to backstab each other over grudges? Konoha was build on the will of fire and thats what maintained the village.you dont have the will of fire you dont have a village…its that simple. You saw it at the beginning of the 4th shinobi war before gaara gave the speech how shinobi were turning onto one another. Madara couldn’t even maintain his own clan , there is zero chance that he would lead a functional village.
@@ninshu6paths659 i think Troops would submit to him for their survival. Madara was able to maintain a unit amongst his clans and coalitions with others during the warring states era.
Also you say that "if you don't have the wlll of fire, you don't have a village " and then you say I seen it during Gaaras speech during the 4th war but all those nations have different Wills that's applicable to their own Culture/Nations and have maintained themselves without the Will Of Fire (Stone Cloud,Mist and Sand) . It's not as "simple" as you say. The "Blood Mist" village had a totally opposite "Will" than the leaf will of fire. But the Mist Village was Still a Organized Militarized Nation(One of the 5 Great Nations) so that proves that you dont need the "Will Of Fire" to maintain a Nation . Also , it's not that Madara couldn't maintain his clan because as I said earlier Madara led his clan through warring states and formed alliances with other clans and taking mercenary jobs which is economic business to bring wealth and resources to his own clan . So he Maintained his clan for years as the leader . However, once Alligence was formed with the Senju, Madara had a certain ideology of ruling with the Iron Fist and the Uchiha didn't follow his ideals years after the village was established.
well hashirama was cool but after him konoha turned into $hit 2nd always hated the uchiha he was responsible for a lot even itachi had to suffer bcs tobirama sucked balls big time and not to mention the 3th all failure madara would have it done a lot better so i say madara would have sailed konoha a lot better through the time
@@ninshu6paths659 would you agree?
Well, since Madara never awakened the Rinnegan. He never passes it to Nagato. And since Nagato didn't get the Rinnegan Nagato's just left an Orphan. And without Nagato saving Yahiko from that Rock Ninja... Yahiko dies.
So basically as a result jiriyah couldn’t write the book of naurto stopping minato and kushina from giving they’re son the name of naurto.
He died in canon anyways lol. Basically akatsuki die,
Well they only died because of war which doesn’t really happen
At a certain point peoples life has changed that people either never meet or are pushed to different lifestyles and partners meaning that everything outside of konoha would be different. For example Nagato either never exists or doesnt go orphan etc. Then we start with nexus points to have a more structured timeline etc. Im down to discuss Naruto loo
Would Nagato die because the night his parents died? See he would try to kill the shinobi but would they spare him and just concuss him or would he get killed?
Not gonna lie.... this sounds way more interesting than the main timeline
Madara: And now... this world shall know the name... Madara Uchiha!
What if peace was made before izuna's death
What if
How was Hashirama going to kill himself with a kunai?
I just imagined him just cutting out organs and everything out of him
Could suppress his chakra to the point where its too late
He wills himself to die.
@@Linkophere Chakra is linked to life force but you can't suporess it. you could block it but I don't think that is linked to hasiramas gifted genes.
It probably would have involved an _uncomfortable_ amount of sawing.
So basically putting aside this what if, even if hashirama had not been stopped from killing himself he wouldn't have died because of his healing factor
It would’ve been a REAL big kunai
I think he can stop his regeration, because if he couldn't why would he offer to kill himself. Wouldn't Hashirama be like, yo I can try to kill myself right now with this kunai but I don't think it would do much. After all I did survive a EMS powered Susano attack just now....
@@JoshuaWebbs that’s like saying tsunade can heal herself without using medical ninjutsu in a hour after being stabbed
@@JoshuaWebbs btw I’m pretty sure hashirama can survive a stab to the heart
@@Lunar_Lunatic I don't understand what you mean saying that?
I really love these What Ifs, please continue doing these
This was an amazing What If scenario, I love how the story progresses so seamlessly and all the characters were re-imagined in a plausible way. Great video man I'm subbing for more!
I would actually love to know the members of this Jin force
I feel like it would go like this
1 tail: A Senju
2 tails: Hiruzen
3 tails: An Uzumaki
4 tails: Jiraiya
5 tails: Sakumo
6 tails: Tsunade
7 tails: An Aburame
8 tails: An Uzumaki
9 tails: Obviously Minato
This could work but idk if tsunade was born before or after that fight where hashirama would’ve died but the rest would make some insane jinchurikis
@@julezcools3691 pretty sure all three sanin were born after the fight but nick did say some of the jinchurikis were loyal to madara so I guess she just took one of their places
Why not put Hiruzen with the four tails? You know... Monkey King... Monkey Bijuu??
@@alfonsuskristo1624 I didn't even consider that. When I put jiraiya with son goku I was just thinking about the poses but yeah I do think I should switch them. Thanks for the feed back
Minato barely held half of Kurama.
Hey. At least Madara protected us from Boruto.
Is this joke still going on? God naruto fanbase pretty cringe
Lol
@@zaconmacon565 like damn i get boruto is a fkin brat but the hate is insane
@@zaconmacon565 its a mediocre show because powerups are handed on silver plates to the new gen but idgi just dont watch it
@@RealLeBronJamesFitnessOfficial right cause naruto never suffered from that. Regardless I like boruto. More so than naruto even
I am so glad to see you doing more what if. I'm sure it takes a lot of research but I love the way you flesh it out and make it feel plausible
I think it's super optimistic to believe that the other villages wouldn't take issues with all the Jin force being Konoha shinobi/loyalists, especially with Madara having just used them to oppress the whole ninja world. Realistically Konoha would have to vow to never have a Jinchuriki on the Jin force in order for the other villages to have some peace of mind.
I mean honestly I'm sure the other villages would be very pissed about it. But if konoha has 9 jinchuriki what are they really gunna do about it??
@@markhourihan7475 Start another war about it. There would be four Kage plus some Kekkei Genkai shinobi that could pose a formidable threat. Especially given certain villages proficiency with assassination. Remember the Akatsuki were able to take down Jinchuriki by countering their abilities.
Maybe that would make for a great spin off to the what if.
For the first time the jin force competitions are opened up to none leaf ninja to compeat in.
Are they their for fame and glory? Or are they there maybe to get an ace for their own village?
@@markhourihan74759 tailed beasts plus madara ,tobirama, whoever was leading the hyuga and uzumaki back then plus all their clans backing said clan leaders. Plus all the other clans in konoha like the abarame the naara the yamanaka etc. Konoha had all the strongest clans by far in the beginning and that's when said clans were basically peak strength. Plus all 9 tailed beasts/jinchuriku
Your what ifs are on another level! Thank you for the great content. Keep it coming, I watch ever video!
The way you just come up with these what ifs is absolutely amazing! I love listening to you talk about naruto and I can literally watch your videos for hours without even getting tired.
Easily one of my favorite what if video that you’ve made so far! Thank you for keeping the creativity incredibly high. I look forward to more of them!
That timeline is actually kinda fire. It needs a part 2 for sure
The more you talk about Madara, Hashirama and Tobirama the more I want a series that takes place during their time.
I’d like to see a what if Boruto and Sasuke weren’t able to return from the time slip arc. Time travel is always funky
This might’ve been your best one yet. Loved it!
This is why I sub. These in depth discussions make it work watching.
This… is legitimately more entertaining than the original show. Why did Kishimoto not do this?
It actually has consistency, and Kaguya and Black Zetsu could have foreshadowing because Black Zetsu is introduced early on.
This would’ve been so much better
Yo what if they sealed Kurama and then Tobirama uses Edo Tensei on Madara and recreates Hashirama. *Straight savage*
Nick I am soooo happy I came across your content! You have such thoughtful and intentional takes on anime! It’s hella refreshing
I... genuinely think this is my favorite! Amazing work with this one!
Theory
Madara could have gotten the rinnegan a lot sooner
I think after madara took the hashirama cells he didn’t mix the chakra with his own keeping them separate he didn’t want or need to use hashirama chakra until when he was old and was using the healing factor of the chakra to keep himself alive and then he awoken the rinnegan I think if you just mix it with your own chakra kinda like nature energy you can awaken the rinnegan in a very short time or maybe even instant
I like the theory but it depends what he did with it. If he had it attached to him right away then it would have been odd for him to sort of refuse it but it could make sense. Tbh we need a story of what Madara did for the years between his "death" and his death of old age
@@Sifu-Myers idk but I was thinking that madara might have been to prideful to use his “best friends” power and only took the hashirama cells because black zetsu told him it would make him more powerful But yeah I wish they shown what madara was doing other than training obito and putting his eyes in a traumatized toddler
@@7753558 yeah thats possible. It would be cool since we know nothing about what he did. I mean we know he probably didn't do anything to crazy since he needed to lay low. Oh yeah I mean there was probably a good 30 years of stuff we could see covered
By far my favorite Naruto what if! Very easy to see how drastically hashirama dieing would change the time-line. But you went full ADHD creativity on us! I appreciate it 🙏
There’s very few you tubers that truly deserve the millions of subs but you bro you deserve to be at the top of the list of youtubers you put so much effort and knowledge into these anime’s that it’s freaking mind blowing!! Keep it up man for real and can’t wait for the next stream!!
Love the video and keep up the great work nick
I'd love to see this timeline continued
At least the Jinchūriki had better lives in this story.
Just binging videos in random order (most interesting suggested vids) I notice how bare that shelf is behind you. Great progression! Also, fantastic what if? !!!
MAN I was really excited for this next What If, and just from the title this feels like it's gonna be a banger.
Great series idea Nick, thanks for the videos :)
Can u do a what if neji never died
Okay... This genuinely sounds like it would be a better show than actual Naruto to me... Like... I NEED this.
Dude I really appreciate the amount of dedication and detail and handwork you make these videos with. Thanks bro.
I love this, it’s was probably one of if not the greatest what if u have ever done and I hope u keep doing more content we all love
Definitely my favorite what if. If it became a spinoff, that would develop a lot of the older characters in Naruto. I would love to see this play out
This was utterly amazing. Better than the actual story. Thank you.
Simply a great vid everything makes sense and the fact ur able to make a whole story of this is crazy bro
Seeing Minato as the child of prophecy in this timeline is just 👌🔥
Here is a plot kishimoto hinted at in the zabuza arc that is worthy of a theory. Why was the village of the hidden mist so against kekkei genkai users? Even tho haku said that they were once revered then came to be seen as harbinger of destruction. Why would a nation turn against their best assets? We know that the water nation was plagued by endless civil wars but what could’ve been the cause for them to turn on every kekkei genkai users not just a specific clan? I believe in the past of the water country just after the 1st shinobi war, there was a gathering of kekkei genkai clans that tried to usurp the power from the daimyo then rule over the rest of the shinobi. I imagine this epic battle between some powerful yuuki clan member vs gengetsu. Cold vs heat/ ice vs steam. I find it interesting that all the second kages were there as bodyguards of the 1st kages at the 1st summit all but the mizukage whom eventually became the 3rd mizukage rather than the second like everyone else. Meaning after byakuren(first mizukage) gengetsu proved to be the most powerful shinobi in the water country thus he was chosen to be the second even tho normally that position should have been given to the third. In my theory gengetsu approached the daimyo then proposed to deal with the kekkei genkai rebellion to be given the title of the 2nd mizukage as a reward. So he gathered up the normal shinobi and they clashed with the rebels, where i imagine he capitalized on his vast area affect genjutsu to create illusions of vast shinobi army to confuse the enemy. Then he killed the ringleader and put an end to the rebellion thus the narrative that followed was against those of kekkei genkai and they were hunted and forced to live in hiding and hiding their abilities. So gengetsu was given the title of the 2nd mizukage to later die mutually with the second tsuchikage.
He made a video about gengetsu that sounds almost exactly to what you're saying.
May be one of your best videos yet. BRAVO loved it
been waiting for this one can't wait to watch
Madara is making his ancestor, Indra proud.
Could you do a video on what would have happened if Orochimaru was made the 4th Hokage? Thanks for the great content as always!
This is brilliant!!
I loved the video man good luck on the move.
Today is my 3 month membership anniversary to the BEST youtube channel EVER. Keep up the awesome videos bro!!
That madara and Tobirama fight would be crazy good. Just thinking about Madara Jinchuriki and Tobirama using his forbidden jutsu to bring every kage back (including his brother) would be crazy good
You should talk with the naruto verse for a collab in a what IF universe and just be the writer 20/10
@NChammer23
@@alejandropagan32 thats... not entirely how that works
The curse of hatred has nothing to do with sharingan. Like yes it does make their sharingan stronger but all the curse of hatred is is that the uchiha experience emotion to an extreme and if they love their loved ones they fall into hate very easily
The amount of dedication and detail you go into with these videos is truly something💯✅ i jah like enjoy listening to em keep it up bruv🙏🏿
Wait didn't Madara actually
say that he had to kill tobirama, but hashiram said he couldn't so he offered his life instead
Yes
I believe the line madara gave hashirama was "kill your brother or kill yourself" and hashirama made no hesitation to kill himself thus sending a strong message to madara that he understands how madara felt about izunas death
I always thought Madara had more power than Hashirama and the main reason I thought this is because of a few key factors for one, Madara has far less chakra than Hashirama does and it's been stated and shown his wood release is a hard counter to tailed beasts and Madara was capable of actually fighting Kurama and controlling Kurama and at the very end of the fight even with Hashirama's advantages, the fight could've ended with either one of them winning, both were low on chakra (which just adds to the argument of Madara being more powerful) and Hashirama had visible injuries, meaning that Madara weakened him enough he could actually take damage and not heal immediately from it, I'd also like to add the fact it's possible Madara was beaten because Hashirama could've possibly made an army of wood clones, all that can use wood release and are far stronger than a simple shadow clone, not just in power but in durability since they're made out of wood and not going to pop into smoke if they're damaged, making it more difficult for someone like Madara who had to use a good bit of his chakra to even control Kurama for the beginning of their fight, I also had thought about it but I also had a theory about how Sasuke could bear a strong resemblance to Izuna and that's because Madara probably had a child before he left the village, and that child grew up and had Sasuke and Itachi's grandfather and Shisui's grandfather, their families could be directly linked and that would explain why everyone related to those three all happen to be as talented and strong as they are, and in canon it's only been shown that the family members from Sasuke and Itachi's side and Shisui's side all have awoken a Mangekyou Sharingan, and to make things even more solid it's probably the reason why they have some similarities in terms of what their abilities could be, the closer the bond, the more they bear a resemblance in abilities?
Interesting
Hashirama had the same attitude as Naruto. You ever wondered why Naruto usually took more damage when fighting with Sasuke and more. Its because Hashirama and Naruto never went all out against Madara and Sasuke. So holding back would have you exhaust yourself and being hit full force by someone who is almost as powerful as you or almost able to hurt you does take it toll more and more you go on. So in all reality, if Naruto or Hashirama went all out trying to kill sasuke or madara both Madara and more would be dead.
@@erickirk420 lies lol sasuke was stronger than Naruto in the first fight lol could’ve killed Naruto but let him knocked out on the ground
@@chrissplash2470 if you are referring to the rooftop fight Naruto had Sasuke, you can see the difference in the rasengan vs chidori damage in the water towers, this is also before curse mark 2
@@Sasukex1337 I meant in the battle of the end when sasuke missed on purpose
Nice one. Well thought through.
I would stan Kushina and Mikoto being the reincarnations. That would actually be epic.
Please do Magi series video.
What if madara's brother never died can you please do that what
So are you going to make a what if about my idea???
Great commentary 👏🏾
I love you you do this better than anyone I’ve seen so far truly make more of these Naruto What if by you are great
Ngl when you mention the change in the Indra-Ashura reincarnation cycle, my mind went into a weird but interesting direction...
What if it was Fugaku and Kushina that ended up as reincarnations of Indra and Ashura? And, hear me out...Black Zetsu got to work early getting the two chakras to combine in a totally different way...
Basically, what if Black Zetsu manipulates circumstances to set up Kushina and Fugaku to *ahem* combine DNA and chakra...leading to a child Naruto/Sasuke being born as the pure reincarnation of Hagoromo and eventually developing the Rinnegan naturally?
This could be a video idea. Not sure how much its been discussed, but What is/was black zetzu? My idea is that he's a physical karma mark from kaguya. She didn't seem to implant karma into anyone so what if she took her karma and gave it a physical form instead. She did come back after zetzu impaled madara, what if that was madara receiving the kaguya's karma from zetzu.
James Bushnell do you know what the prize is?
@@jacksonstefaniak9684 no idea, but usually the creator will like the comment as well, I'm not sure about it
Let's go another great video I already know it!
i love you nick i watch your videos so i can sleep. will save this for tonight
What if Shikamaru was an Uchiha?
He’d have died during the Uchiha Massacre. Obito was the one who killed the women and children Uchiha
You expect him to throw gang signs at someone like bee? The dudes useless
Simple, rip all other Ninja villages. Madara will make all of them submit to Konoha and Tobirama would lead a rebel Alliance force against him and probably end up killing Madara's wife/children which will make madara lose his shit and try to achieve peace through infinite tsukuyomi as a last resort.
Best what if I’ve ever seen from any CZcamsr. Regardless of the anime!
Seriously was waiting for the end of the video to say I wanna see your story animated!!! 😩🙏🏿
What if Shisui killed Danzo
What if Minato was an Uchiha?
Naruto with sharingan?
This is a good video already!!
tobirama hasnt been given enough credit as he deserves
The Boruto universe wouldn't exist. I'm just joking lmfao 😂
But seriously I don't see this going good for alot of the characters we like and care for in the series
There was never a person within Madara.. literally the best way to describe Madara
Y'all really think he had no good conscience?
this video reaffirms why the 2nd is my favorite hokage
This What-If is far more interesting than the main timeline and I like it a lot more than all of Boruto. Thanks, NCHammer 23 for the What-If, and your imagination knows no bounds. Keep up the good work!
I would love to read a fully fleshed out/detailed fanfic version of this
Hey bro love the content and your what if’s hope moving goes well😃!
yo luv the vids
I was waiting for this video. This is the type of content that takes DAYS to write.
Great vid! I’m now quite curious about what Naruto and sasuke upbringing and lives would be like as well as what boruto would look like.
I would love it if you posted more what if content
Imagine if in this tale, Tobirama needing to participate in the system for a while at least, ended up a Jinchuriki - 3-tail Jinchuriki Tobirama would be epic.
Damn, you and the amagi making the same vid, on my favorite character, this week just got better
The one major thing you can learn from MCHammers vids is "Donzo is gonna be Donzo"
...... Damn just..... Damn that's really good plus u was making it up as u go when going off ur own script.
The best what if ever!!! I loved the story line ❤️❤️
He missed his chance to what if an entirely new character who could've been uzumaki senju mix or senju uchiha mix or weirdly could have been all 3 blood lines mixed to make some super OP character
Thank you for doing it
Another banger what if!!
Ah, I have another one: What if Tobirama was an Uchiha?
This would be soo dope.
Love your theories - the more the merrier!
Excited for the new office!!