Was Madara RIGHT?!
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Technically,he united every village to fight him from sheer fear they had that he will destroy the world. Madara knew what he was doing all along.
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Delusional
That’s the point I like to make, he wanted to end the conflict between nations and he did make them unite by becoming a threat to all of them
@@KingxKrabler More like Charles, actually.
@@killuasleftfist3612it makes more sense when you remember when tsunade said, The name madara itself bring terror to the world. And how obito told them about the plan of tsuki no me and itachi’s true backstory.
Harshirama: I'm gonna kill myself to bring peace
Harshirama cells: HAH!..stop the cap!
"You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain"
The quote that summarizes Naruto to some extent.
so true my friend
@likh Hiruzen was a bro tbh
bro that reminds me of obito and madara
SOOO TRUE. Examples: Sakumo Hatake, Kakashi Hatake, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Tsunade Senju
@likh Hiruzen ain't evil.
Hey nick you should do a video on what if hashirama let madara convince him into taking his own life. How would that effect konoha?
I like this idea a lot
@@NCHammer23 hey nick I got the Instagram comment just wondering if that's a scam or not it had Ur profile and name
Tobiarmara would’ve killed madara the second his brother died 😂😂
@@NCHammer23 wouldn't his regen just heal him
@@reallife8164 i don't think it would help if he stabbed himself in a spot like the heart
I would argue that the eye of the moon plan does allow for conflict withing the dream, specifically because it's technically what the user wants. Therefore you can still have issue but they will always be solved.
So to that effect I say Madara was correct.
Nobody mentions this.
in Hinatas and in Tsunades dreams there were conflicts. Tsunade telling Jiraya not to show Nawaki his pervy books and Neji and Hanabi spying on Naruto and Hinata on a date. those were small conflics which existed because those two wanted them to exist. Wheather that is cannon or was a mistake makes the difference on which side I am. If smaller conflicts still exist if you want them then there is literlally nothing in my opinion that would speak against the infinite Tsukuyomi. Well except the fact that everyone would be killed by being turned into white Zetsus, but that would make the whole debate irrelevant anyway
@@revengance4149 I wasn't aware of the zetsu thing, that would change my answer too. But if Lord Madara is just chilling watching over everyone like the new Hagaromo than why not. In reality people die and suffer in order for someone to live a better life so give me the very real dream to death plez
Kaguyas plan not Madara and is usually being ignored in debates. he was tricked by Kaguya and Black Zetsu. In order to have productive debates people go with the Infinite Tsukuyomi as Madara and Obito thought it would be
@@revengance4149 Ah...right. Well doesn't it make sense in a argument "if Madara was right", to ignore the dastardly plans of an evil force to turn everyone to zetsu food or whatever. Unless you're saying that even without interference for Kaguya and zetsu that everyone in the tree was destined to turn to Zetsus in the first place as that just how the thing works. In which case I agree with the moral of Madaras plan but it was clearly the right choice to break the Justu. Actual his plan probably could have worked if he didn't reanimate himself has he could have possibly pumped his chakra into the tree as a source of life or whatever and allowed everyone to dream forever as he would never die.
As much as Nick would hate this… Sasuke had the best path to peace out of any antagonist in Naruto. The only way that all of humanity can come together is if there is a mutual enemy(exactly what happened in the 4th great war, and sasuke points out). Only if we fight an enemy that exists outside of earth can all of earth come together. Additionally the only way that peace maintains is that a global threat continues to exists but does not decide to exercise its power. Sasuke volunteered to be that target of hate. There’s a lot of complexity i what happens next but In the real world, this works best
Well, the problem is that Sasuke overestimate himself to be the "great enforcer" of his so-called world. Humans will always rebel against him and there would come a point that Sasuke would just snap and kill all of them out of spite. Putting all that hatred to himself would take a toll on him and he would lose sight of his own goals. He would just exist in an eternal loneliness until that very thing would drive him mad someday. Naruto knows this, being a host of the 9 tails, that no one is above corruption. People should look within, not outside, and this "global threat" is none other than you being unable to conquer your inner demons. True "peace" can only be attained by conquering oneself, not others - as Naruto literally showed when he befriended Kurama, the very embodiment of evil in their world.
Like Zero Requiem.🫡💯💪
Short answer is yes. He was. If the infinite tsukuyomi worked how Madara thought it would and the Kaguya bs didn't happen everybody would live in a reality unique and ideal to them and there would be no conflict because everyone's perfect reality would be there for them
False, it would be a dream. You want something that isn’t real? That’s not really peace, there’d still be stuff happening in the real world, and eventually the people trapped in the genjutsu would turn into Zetsu, and the Otsutsuki would obviously still invade earth because they want their chakra back. It’s better to not give up, saying otherwise is just stupid because you’re only speaking from experience so far and thinking too negatively. To be optimistic isn’t illogical, it’s just a better and smarter way of life. I actually envy Naruto’s confidence and commitment, just wish he’d keep that awesome character in Boruto. He’s kinda trash now.
@@RIP_Rxnin You wouldn't know that it's a dream though. Most of the infinite tsukuyomi dreams we saw the characters in their own individual dreams were perfectly happy
@@firegodmiguel that happiness isn't real and doesn't last forever ..they turn into white zetsu so the dreams would finish
@@RIP_Rxnin the adult is always going to be less optimistic than children, even as an adult Naruto is still far more optimistic than most people. The thing that's different in Boruto is he is much more realistic in how he thinks about the world, so I would say he is still optimistic, just not blindly so.
@@azizrampage what is real happiness then? Happiness is just a response to q particular experience, even if that experience does come from an objective reality doesn't mean the enjoyment you got from it isn't real.
And the guy already said "if the kaguya bs didn't happen "
not gonna lie you have a big talent to make videos longer, i heard the story of uchiha and senju so many times and still it is fun to listen to
What if Madara was revived during the Boruto era before Momoshiki and the other Otsutsuki showed their faces to the world? How would he react to the world Naruto shaped? The village that he and Hashirama once wished for was successfully created. Himawari (Naruto's daughter) is proof of this. She is a child not burdened by war and conflict and she is not destined to die young on a battlefield because of the world she lives in. Peace has actually been achieved. Of course it isn't a magical utopia but it's still good peace.
But that peace is kind a because of madra
He would still be an angsty and edgy boy and go on a rampage again only to be clapped again by Naruto and Sasuke
@@Guille2033 nah it was more the other way around, if you think about it he clapped the whole Ninja World with the exception of Might Guy 😭
@@jamescadet4450guy had assistance from Minato, lee & kakashi or else he would've died
Madara is wrong in my eyes. BUT I WOULD 100% TAKE HIM UP ON THAT OFFER
"Freedom will always be more important that security" and I agree with your perspective about Madara.
New idea: what if Madara did not stop Hashirama's seppuku attempt. How would that change the story of the series?
Hashirama would heal and realize killing himself was a lot more difficult then just stabbing him self
@@TheEternalFlame57 Hashirama was a monster 👏🏾🤣
He won't awoke the Rinnegan without Ashura's chakra
Tobirama would immediately kill Madara on the floor then become first hokage take his sharingan and hashiramaa cells and become an otsutsuki defeat momoshiki when he showed up then when jigen shows up he uses Edo tensei to bring back momoshiki to tag team jigen then wins later kills code and happy ending
Madara wanted peace for the entire world 🌎 not just for konoha and thats y that infinite thing came in smh 🤦 too much pressure
I'm just waiting for the day Nick makes a 1 minute video doing his intro and then with one of these titles, "Was BLANK Right?" Then after the intro he just says no and ends the video.
Was Danzo right? No
@@NCHammer23 lol Danzo is like the manager at a restaurant that has good ideas but actually just screws everyone over including himself and somehow no one higher up realizes it until he becomes the general manager and gets fired
this !!!
Hear me out: Madara should've grown enough White Zetsu where they out number all the shinobi that have ever lived. Instead of launching Infinite Tsukuyomi, when Madara was full power, he should've just beat the shit out of, or kill, Naruto and Sasuke. From there, Madara then should kill every living human. Once this is finished, he should force Kabuto to edo tensei every human it would be possible to resurrect using White Zetsu, offering every edo tensei the opportunity to live forever in his paradise or return to the Pure Lands. Those who agree live in a world where no one can die and those who were separated can be reunited, with Madara as a god protecting this paradise he's created.
But once all are dead how would kids come about or new generations you'd be dead lol
@@AlpineStudiosInc No new generations, end the cycle of hatred by brute force.
Great video!
Around 5:14 when you mention the awakening of the MS for Madara and Izuna, I don’t buy that story of them killing their friend to get MS. That story came from Itachi’s retelling of the history, which was already proven incorrect. Like when he said that Madara stole Izuna’s eyes. We get Hashirama retelling the story to Sasuke and learn that Izuna gave Madara his eyes as he was dying. So it’s just another example of the lore surrounding a person not necessarily being who they really were.
I think the proof that that version is false can also be backed up by what we see of Madara and his interactions with other Uchiha. We see Madara more willing to hurt/kill outsiders (non-Uchiha). He doesn’t kill Obito after he turns even though he had the opportunity , he actually gives Obito back his eye (which Madara had taken from Kakashi to get to the Kamui realm). He comments to Sasuke that maybe he could borrow Sasuke’s eyes (implying they’d be returned. Which is exactly what he did with Obito). When Sasuke attacks him instead of killing him outright, he warns him to stay out of his way. He only kills Sasuke when he doesn’t listen and goes after Madara again.
Madara and Izuna’s goal was to protect the Uchiha. Murdering an Uchiha like that, I think would run counter to that. Indra on the other hand would do that, as we saw in the Sage’s retelling of his story. That’s how Madara and Indra seem to differ.
It seems more likely that Madara and Izuna just lost many people who were close to them.
I never really understood why everyone was against Madara's plan when it was only ever going to benefit them, I understand they wanted to choose their own tomorrow(Which they were going to do either way) or whatever but Madara basically offered everyone their own versions of heaven with no strings attached. 100 years of happiness would be better than dying of some illness at age 40
I think the reason was .. "because it would've been just an illusion"
The problem is humans would be extinct after 100 years. Since those under the infinite tsukuyomi would turn into white zetsu's.
@@yuugenr7549 Great point 👍
I hope you trolling only deseperate people would agree with this
@@yuugenr7549 probably not cuz madara might be able to stop that from happening since kaguya needed white zetsus but madara doesn’t
I just wanted to add that George Orwell 1984 also talks about the elimination and changing of language to point where communication was not only impossible but strictly monitored and any one who would even so much as breath outside of that strict language pattern disappeared for a while and come back "better than ever" and completely compliant with new speak
On the madara points though part of me feels kinda bad for him I see him as a warrior who wanted peace but couldn't let go of the war which made him act in a hypothetical fashion sometimes I wonder if he ever realized that
@BJ4CJ apparently you did enough to comment on it anyway
@BJ4CJ You're so quirky and cool
Well to me Madara always had his back against the wall. He was born into a doomed clan of power
Man, that book was sooo good. But yeah, it’s all ethics. Can a man stealing food, for the sake of feeding his starving family, be rightfully justified, do you take the life of one to save a thousand or the contrary?
I don’t agree with his methods personally, but I feel for the guy. In the end all he wanted to was prove his worth.
It was crazy watching him single-handedly drag the alliance. XDDDDDDDD
The 4th great ninja war was a means to an end. Had it succeeded it would’ve rid the world of the war, suffering and death itself. A lot of ninjas died in the war but are the lives of those who died fighting in the war worth more than all lives the infinite tsukuyomi would’ve saved and all the pain it would’ve spared ppl from?
Madara didn’t believe so and so to him attaining peace would’ve been worth the cost
You said it yourself that Madara's plan is inherently flawed because his motivation was ultimately selfish. He didn't give a damn about 'saving the shinobi world'. He just wanted to live in a world where he wasn't a loser. Even if his infinite tsukiyomi would've been perceived as real and accepted by the masses, the most contentious thing for me is that it was never his place to make that decision for the entire world, and his character and ideology was such that no one would've ever trusted him with their freedom.
Madara is ironically a representation of Sa'tan. A power hungry creature, driven to lie, manipulate, and drag everyone down with him, and willing murder literally everyone just to have his delusional idea of what winning looks like come to pass.
@@SlayingSin i strongly disagree. Satan is driven by pure evil. Rewatch Madaras story
His mangekyo sharingan makes a lot more sense. Hashirama is like the body to the village, Madara was the mind and tobirama was the soul or will
Love the video! Reminded me a lot of Itachi’s speech to Sasuke about reality and what “truth” really is. Also I feel Madara tried to take the “easy” way out of war and conflict.
Finally someone who understands.
I wouldn't call creating a world-wide genjutsu tailored to every individual the easy way out. You want the easy way out? Pain tried the easy way out. Making nukes from the biju and destroying each other during a terrible war so terrible we never nuke each other again is definitely the easy way out compared to obtaining a rinnegan, getting all 9 biju, summoning the gedo mazou, reawakening the ten tails, absorbing the 10 tails, then using the 10 tails to create a genjutsu that can't be dodged or reflected that affects billions of people simultaneously AND independently.
To clarify, for fun, you mean the easy way in the sense that his resolution ended up being "Give everyone what they want, it makes everyone happy," instead of "We need to solve our differences and work together for peace, even if we dont like eachother all the time," yes?
@@AngelNearDestruction he chose to use power and force instead of talking to someone. Conquest for him is easier than having a conversation.
You also listed everything pain had to do. Just added the genjutsu part.
@@AngelNearDestruction you obviously didn’t read the comment. It’s still the easy way and a shortcut for peace. This isn’t about flexing Madara’s feats along the way bro. 💀
3:58 Madara had 4 siblings, 3 of them died, remaining only Izuna and himself.
25:58 this view on perspective and reality is the reason why I'm subbed!! Discussion like this is why I read manga like Naruto, JJK. Diving into the psychology of the villians is much more interesting than power scaling for me
I think Madara and Izuna individually murdered their own best friends, rather than murdering the same friend together. I believe there's even a line that they raced to see who could do it faster. Maybe I missed it though and it was the same friend.
Obsessed with your videos, Nick. I'm totally up to date with Naruto and Boruto and feeling kind of bummed that I'm not still actively watching it all for the first time, but these videos definitely make up for it!
Just started watching your vids not too long ago , just wanna say you’re killing it and i’m never bored watching/listening to these vids keep it up ! 💯
I think that Madara was wrong but he wouldn’t have been if he had given everybody in the world a choice whether or not to enter the Infinite Tsukoyomi. If he had done that he would have retained the morality of his original goal of peace.
i feel like Madara's ideaology wasn't wrong but it was differed from the others. Madara grew up fighting other people for no reason until he read the shrine from black zetsu of which he altered to keep the Uchiha and Senju fighting. When he read the shrine he went from peaceful ends of conflict to non peaceful actions that will have a peaceful ending. As an Uchiha, he had to face his childhood rival Hashirama, which who was stronger than him. Madara faced lost because Hashirama is just too strong and overpowered any Uchiha in his way. As of him losing many of his clan members and family, led him to have an ideology everyone should have a life of no war and harm, but peacefuleness. In my opinion, Madara wasn't right, nor wrong, he was just twisted.
Actually madara said “ if you want peace between our two clans, you either kill your brother or yourself.“ he didn’t just say hashirama has to kill himself for madara to be at peace with them. Due to hashirama choosing to end himself instead of tobirama that’s why madara stopped him and accepted before hashirama went through it. Nick I’m Surprised that you left out that madara gave hashirama two choices not just to end himself.
i've been watching since your kurama isn't dead video, the second i started watching your videos i fell in love, your voice is so soothing and i love learning more about naruto lore, ive watched every video you post since i found your channel, glad to see you're getting some more recognition, and hopefully you hit 300k soon
why is it heroic when itachi puts izumi in a tsukuyomi of a perfect life and killed her and when madara tried to do the same on much larger scale, he is wrong?
Because that's massacre 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@greatikechukwu4032 Itachi massacred his clan 💀
"Perception is Reality"
Kishimoto wanted Itachi to be remorseful and Madara be straight up evil.
I'll be honest I thought d exact same thing and I still wonder why Itachi was justified 🤔🤔.
I mean dey both sought peace and love and all in all, no conflict.
@@greatikechukwu4032 what Itachi did was betrayal and a massacre , what madara was going to do was just massacre , what is your point?
Damn, watching this video actually make me feel so bad for madara..I've never thought of him much as a loser😣. But this video really brings that to light
WHAT IF... Madara actually died that day... how different Naruto as a whole would be...
well for one: all the jinchuuriki would still be alive, and yagura would still be mizukage
Love your vids man keep up the grind
Iv been waiting for you to drop sir. Appreciate it
23:50 "Your blue could be yellow to me,have I lost you yet?probably"
THE GREATEST NCHAMMER23 MOMENT OF ALL TIME,THE GREATEST EMBODYING MOMENT OF HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER AND PERSONA.
Ah, Perception is Reality. I remember using that explanation in an argument I had with someone once, it ended up with me blocked by that person, lol.
But essentially this one person did empathize with another character and disagreed with the reaction of the other character, which fair enough it was an awkward situation. But on the other hand, this one person completely discarded the point that the other character perceived what happened differently and doesn't have the omniscient perspective of the reader. Hence, the entire tragic breakup was due to how things were perceived by the two individual characters, Perception being Reality. But yeah, lol... some people don't like common sense opinions.
Love the video and keep up the great work nick
Probably one of your best vids imo. And I've seen MANY. haha I love the line between virtuality and reality. And it actually brings me to a cool point in that that line has been tenuous since the emergence of written language and even oral mythos because that virtuality (spirituality) ultimately cause a real world chain reaction wherein one's perceptual reality effects others (religion, philosophy, etc) so in fact the difference between the two worlds is essentially non existent (one world effects the other therefore both are simultaneously "real") and is ALL a matter of perception rather than any definition of actuality. "I think, therefore I am" is the primary function of the human experience, where we fight the "world" for perceptual control, for "peace" from our own greatest fears and discomforts.
anyway great vid dude! Madara was such an interesting character in the Naruto verse, one clearly defined by both nature and nurture. And I have always wondered if they were allowed to be friends as children would they have ended the cycle of hate at that point in time?
Oh an PS TOBIRAMA IS GOAT lol hands down my favorite ideological character in the series.
Your best video yet. The simple fact that you tacle such a complicated issue whith such clarity of thought, gives not only credits to the Naruto manga/anime but also to you.
Well done sir!
Madara had 4 other brothers. Izuna and 3 others. He states to Hashirama at the river they skip rocks at that there used to be 5 of them and now there is only 2.
That’s wat i was thinking
Yes thats right
He does this all by memories I swear... he has alot of false information in his videos it's kind of like the show drunk history ... it's like I know what you're talking about but not what happen
I wasn’t expecting this to be such a thought provoking and philosophical video discussing such real and prevalent topics wow.
Another banger! I would love to see you do a video on what would have happened had Orochimaru been made the 4th Hokage.
Conflict does exist in the Infinite Tsukuyomi Madara never stated it won't be quite the opposite, he only mentioned having a world without war, but conflict is part of human nature it cannot be changed and Madara knew this see his conversations with Tobirama and Hashirama in the war arc he explains a lot of his beliefs and what exactly he is trying to accomplish with the Infinite Tsukuyomi, I mean Madara himself is a man that loves conflict a world without an enemy to fight would not be his cup of tea, also even in the Anime Yamato's dream was full of conflict, and Rock Lee beat the shit out of Naruto and Neji to win Sakura's affection in his dream, so conflict is very much still present in the infinite tsukuyomi.
Madara was right about the future of the Uchiha and many other things like his death by Hashirama at the valley of the end or Tobirama becoming the next Hokage he might of actually been able to see glimpses of the future even in the war he always seemed sure he would come out on top it makes me wonder maybe originally that was his MS ability to see the future it was never confirmed but it does make sense in retrospect, it also explains why he stopped believing Hashirama. Madara did attempt Hashirama's way he was in the village for some time before he had a change of heart and left to achieve the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan his new found dream.
Madara was not a loser in fact the battle at the final valley was a big win for Madara he got exactly what he wanted and "faking" his death was the icing on the cake, Hashirama was stronger but Madara's power was increasing with each battle his hate would allow him to access even greater power at some point even Hashirama wouldn't be able to stop him, in fact in the war arc Hashirama literally feared Madara getting fully revived he knew Madara was not even close to 100% and once resurrected Madara easily took Hashirama's sage mode (while blind), with the power Madara held he did not need Infinite Tsukuyomi to beat Hashirama he already was the strongest, Madara also didn't show any particular need to beat Hashirama his fight with him was purely entertainment.
You misunderstood what Madara meant by his speech, he was talking about the idea that the concept of winning will always have someone losing, that is a unbreakable fact in reality but in a dream world he could make everyone win but no one has to lose, another example is the fact that in order to protect those you care about you would have to sacrifice something in return, like Obito learned when he jumped to Save Kakashi and was crushed by rocks which would of killed him if Madara hadn't found him, in Madara infinite tsukuyomi that truth will no longer apply, meaning you can protect those you care for and there won't be any sacrifices necessary, the outcome will turn out exactly like you hope it would.
Tldr; OP misses antagonists motives entirely
No he was wrong. Freedom is more important than a dream.
@@neilstone3583 True freedom is limited in real life by our rules and are own limits but in a dream you will have true freedom as anything is possible.
@@neilstone3583 You’re saying that like there’s freedom in OUR reality, people are still executed for making jokes and having different opinions.
In fact, the Tsukuyomi provided you with limitless freedom compared to reality.
the tsukuyomi's had so much conflict. you already mentioned rock lee and yamato, but, even though it was filler, tenten's dream also had conflict, and it ranged from arguments between friends to the rain and leaf being at war
Fundamentally given the standards presented, and the Devils advocate argument it can truly be said that Madara goal was kinda... Irrelevant to all but himself. People in the genjutsu would not really know the difference. No way to prove if they are or not. Hense all the Madara won stuff.
But I think ultimately who's defination of peace is more interesting. As much as Madara is painted as wanting power his peace is not the end of hostility or bad blood. But simply no one fighting for what ever reason, fear is just the reason he latched on to. While Naruto, and possibly Hashirama, did not want JUST that kind of peace. Yes an end of violence but also connections, bonds, and friendship. Madara did not care if everyone got along as long as people stopped fighting and killing people. This links back to the sage of six paths wanting to unite people with nishu. So the question can be boiled down to what is peace? Not hitting someone despite hatng them, or not having the desire or hate in the first place.
Madara wanted peace because people would eventually become so strong with the new tools, weapons, and arts that the safety of everyone and everything would be threated should another war come about.
Ok ok you went alittle alen watts there at the end there🤣 love the philosophy. Next time talk about the winners and losers theme more
My manhit ALL of this thoroughly and HARD! Wait... That came out wrong... Dope work my man. Lol
I'll say the same thing I said on other videos on this topic:
Well imo it is evil, your being forced, you don't have the choice to choose whether you want to or not, madara wants to force everybody against their will into the infinite tsukuyomi, not only that, the tree even turns you into a white zetsu against your will, something hidden from you, it's not a good deception for the right reasons, your just being turned into a white zetsu for yet again another war, this time against the otsutsuki, it may not of seemed evil but it was because of this reason, I'd wrather be free even if things aren't perfect instead of being a slave with no choice and somebody deciding things for me.
So yes madara is wrong, even if he was deceived by black zetsu and didn't know, he was still lying based on false information so yes he was indeed wrong, misleading everyone to their death
If you think of Indra vs ashura it show the pro and cons of madara vs hashirama. Indra forces peace in a second with a iron fist and ashura took decades to achieve a following. Haguromo choose freedom (ashura’s way) because for better or worst everyone must make their own choices to better or destroy the world. Because once indra is dead (once everyone in the stukuyomi die and new humans come forth) there’s no structure for the future and their will only be war since the main guy is gone and strongest 2-1000 are fighting for control vs ashura ways may take all his life time and a few generations after to create peace but once it’s achieved everyone can follow that path.
Now the problem with both is simply humans thinking. Just because there is peace a paranoid individual will create a weapon for defense but someone else will see the opportunity to create their own peace that is perfect for them/their family. So the perfect way I’ll say is to have a off hand Pope/illuminate leader. One that you don’t see but have a set rules and once a dictator start to arrive take them out but this organization must be known or conspiracy theories and revolutionary uprising will happen. Peace is unachievable unless there a forever royalty and in this case the senjus and the hidden mist A line. One head under the same rules leading everyone in a perfect straight line to this family rules.
My brain is starting to get adapted to your posting schedule. I just randomly felt this feeling that I should check your page - basically I started feigning for a vid
Thanks for the video. It was awesome. Your reality speech at the end was so Itachi. Who has one of my favorite quotes about self perspective and realities
Like they always say when ur young u think the villain is bad but when I get older u understand why they did what they did
Depends on the villain
Madara sought peace through forced means, means that removed the free will of every soul on the planet. That is not peace, that is tyranny.
First off, been binge watching all of your videos, love all the information you're giving everybody. Was wondering seeing you cover more than just Naruto if you could do a most powerful anime characters compilation video. Kind of who is stronger between Naruto and Sasuke and Madara and Goku and Vegeta and Luffy and any other anime you want to throw in there
Holy hell I wish I had smoked before watching this video. Great and fun video. Thanks Nick.
I feel like he wanted war to end and protect everyone undue that cloak, even though he was power hungry he still had light in his heart somewhere.
You're very articulate and explain things well. I think I remember you saying that you're an engineer, and that sense of logic shows through in your descriptions. I like the way you break things down. Keep it up! In the Narutoverse I think Madara was wrong because taking away everyone's free will through genjutsu is no different than using genjutsu on a battlefield in a combat setting: It is done non-consensually. If Infinite Tsukuyomi was done to volunteers then it would be ok. Lots of gray area haha
Great info NC👍🏽
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Great video that even dabbled in more philosophy than I thought! I agree with you. Reality is nothing more than what we can perceive, and so far we can't prove otherwise. From that perspective, the goal Madara wanted to achieve is valid. The problem I would have with that is that it is still not consensual. Hell, if Madara was truly solipsistic to that degree, he should've just done psychedelics or something...
Madara had every quality of a shonen protagonist (special power, loving family and love for family, integrity, intelligence, kindness, a desire to make the world a better place, a best friend/rival...) Everything, except for the most important thing. Plot armor. And so over countless years and losses against those who had the power of plot armor, the hero side of him was chipped away, leaving us with the villain. But even to the end, you can still see the pieces that made him "great".
6 months later... and i've come to tell you that Madara actually had plot armor...
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Great video as always!
I’ve always believed madara had a point and it’s hard to say if it’s wrong or not. If boruto didn’t exist I would say yea it was the right thing to do. But I’m utilitarian so I share most of the villain mindsets of “for the greater good” but even then i don’t agree with everything. The biggest thing to me is the sacrifices from before would mean nothing if it succeeded
Side note.. why didn’t hashirama offer to heal madaras brother if he accepted the peace offer? Kinda a plot hole there
Nice Vid man, Imma spread by take on it, Madara wanted to get peace in a way, tht way may or may not be thought as a good choice by everyone, The infinite Tsukuyomi was a great idea, I mean in POV terms of achieving peace without no future issues.. Any other way of peace may be temporary(remember this line when reading forward), In my perspective ofc, Even in Boruto aftr years of peace we are introduced to the new Gen Z Shinobi(s) and new villains, aka we lost the peace tht achieved, In Madara's way he wanted to achieve peace with no future issues. But in the dream, There is no reproduction happening(uhh we don't need to get into tht matter) hence this can't happen, as the Shinobi race would go extinct, cus even in this dream there is death, And Madara would die too.. Cus even if he has the 3 eyes, 10 tails, I don't think u can stop death, And uk aliens aka Ishikki was watching the whole thing, and Ishikki can slap Jubbidara(No arguments req) The main issue to this idea was the issue of extinction of Shinobi(s) and I don't think thts a minor problem... Madara was right in a way but in the long run its just not a great idea... Hence Madara wasn't right..
Maaaaaaaaaaaan what the hell
(You are right)
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What if they can get freaky?
Not necessarily. Kaguya did the same thing and yet humans survived. We can assume she released some of them to repopulate which Madera could do. Remake humanity in his own image
@@neilstone3583 Exactly release certain humans to reproduce and have children and raise those children to want peace.
This was a fun one! Here's hoping for a Lemillion video for our non Naruto vid this week. He's my boy
The seal metaphor has me in stitches lmao
In the show Madara said “it used to be 4 of us”. Meaning he had 3 brothers. You said he only had one.
Yeah and then he said he was wrong
I feel like, ironically, Madara's plan was right IF the Ootsosuki (Def spelled that wrong) win. If the end result would be everyone dying a pointless death than rather than fight in vain everyone should instead just enjoy paradise until the end. As long as humanity wouldn't end any time soon the Eye of the Moon plan is mercy. Assuming Boruto doesn't end in tragedy with everyone dying then its not worth it since while everyone currently alive gets paradise you are taking the future of humanity away. In Infinite Tsukiyomi while Naruto may get to live a perfect life with his family Boruto and Himawari would never actually be born. Once Naruto's time passes that's the end and that isn't worth it.
I would rather die and suffer in the real world than live a lie
@@aleckcain4142 Careful with your word
Omg bro I love ur channel every video makes me feel like a genius
It's so crazy that you explained the color thing because I have been saying the same thing to people for YEARS. love your content btw man been watching you for a WHILE now
Ok so slight correction. You said Madara was making Obito hate Konoha which is incorrect. He was trying to make Obito had the shinobi system as a whole, which is supported by Obito’s quote of “This world is hell”.
I wasn’t ready for theology in my Naruto Videos lol.
That was pretty crazy. But Madara was wrong, the illusion of free will IS NOT free will. The concept that i will have my ideal life and not one i worked for cheapens the effect to me. And even if he was right, Kaguya/Toneri would’ve taken it all away from him. L’s all around.
but inside the tsukiyomi you wouldn´t know that you didn´t choose this, or didn´t struggle for it. it is YOUR perfect world
@@alexanderzack3720 exactly, who cares about free will blablabla, if the world will be garenteed happier inside this fake world then I stand by Madaras side
People have an obsession with free will when it really doesn’t matter
if u had complete free will u would be no less than a literal madman lmao , just think of it , you will understand what im saying
Love these vids
He mentioned sao ! Love it haha 😁
You can't talk about infinite tsukuyomi without kaguya because infinite tsukuyomi is literally her resurrection. It's like black zetsu said, that it was HIS plan all along to make Madara do it and there's a deeper meaning behind that. Zetsu said that you thought you were in control using everyone as a pawn for your plan, while all along he was also a pawn to revive kaguya; in other words thinking you have control when you actually don't. Interesting video though. I enjoyed it. To your ending question about what I think; living in a dream would be great for me, but that's because life for me sucks. I don't like the way our system is set up, the way our forefathers made this world and how we function within it. Living in a dream where there isn't success or failure, love or hate, rich or poor, happiness or sadness, winning or losing...that sounds pretty good to me. I'm one of those humans that doesn't enjoy conflict, problems whatever. I'd be just fine if someone made all the decisions while I just did nothing. I don't want to think, feel or exist because no lasting fortune comes from it. The things we want are fleeting and scarce while the things we don't want are stagnant & everlasting.
I agree with you
IMO i think MADARA was right, all he wanted was for everyone to live a peaceful life in a world with no fighting, no pain, no fear. The whole kaguya thing was obviously wrong.
ur kinda bias because being in a dream which everything works like ur thinking of just makes u don’t wanna do anything don’t gonna have the fun u want. Every human wants a challenge in life and it was forced nobody had an opinion yes sometimes forced things work but sometimes it doesn’t the people won’t like forced things they want things to be liked by everyone like yes u can say u don’t like fighting but some people work is fighting yes u might say u don’t wanna feel pain then what’s the point of hitting ur toe and no fear basically let everyone not work what they gonna fear? They don’t have any fears and yes he wanted everyone to live peace but he did it with people not wanting it like if a stronger country comes and destroys both the sides yes the war stopped but at which cost? most ppl lost the ppl they love, war sometimes isn’t a good thing but sometimes war is needed for true peace. like as u see uchiha’s and senju’s were close in the terms of power but after izuna died true peace started yes some people didn’t like that ( madara ) because he wanted to have the control over everything he wanted to have people basically under his command and under his word. no chance for people to talk against him that alone gonna start wars.
@@Alihasan23320 if everyone’s in their ideal world of their own creation, that means that the infinite tsukuyomi is limitless in the world you can create for yourself. your perfect world could strives on war and conflict and yet you could choose to be a victor or loser if that’s what you want it’s up to your own creation. If their was a perfect virtual reality that could separate itself from virtuallity, and also be limited to your own creation your own desires, wants, or will. In my opinion why leave such a world to return to one of suffering and futility. Why leave such a world to be brought back in a war that killed several members of your friends and family, why would you want to lose a chance at a perfect reality,
@@Slickydicky69420 see it can’t rlly be as challenging as in real world there is a limit of “ challenge “ in ur mind so you’ll just get bored of repeating the exact same “ difficult “ stuff
@@Alihasan23320 you might not want to stay, but some would
@@Slickydicky69420 it depends on ur statement rn like if ur poor you’d like to stay there but if ur decent or rich then you’d like to be in the real world better
Some short ish time ago there was a comic that went viral where a girl travelled to the future and a robot puts her in a box that constantly feeded her brain with every possible sensation, and the scenario was essentially the same as Madara's plan, and the answers were most commonly "That is really sad". the commonly agreed viewpoint is that in the vein of "conflict", what Humans want is "real, meaningful experiences and connections with people", and the "meaningful" part seems to be what humans value most in this scenario, which is why the permanent tsukuyomi state makes the meaningfulness of the experiences, and the people you form connections with "Fake", therefor undesirable, it makes you feel deceived
The last part that he was exposing was like what itachi said “Every human being relies on and is bounded by his knowledge and experience to live. This is what we call “reality”. However, knowledge and experience are ambiguous, thus reality can become illusion. Is it not possible to think that, all human beings are living in their assumptions?”
Great video as always!
You probably don't know this (maybe you do) but at 23:35 you exactly explain how even though I am color blind and we don't see the same color, whatever I see as blue, I have associated as blue. People are always skeptical like "How did you know color that was if you're color blind?" and I have to go through that explanation every time that what we are looking at may look different but I have associated whatever I see that shade as "Blue"
Just wanted to let you know, you nailed it.
Keep up the great videos.
11:22 Madara didn't know he would lose it was a just that he considered the possibility that he might lose and that's why he had a back-up plan.
😂 Madara had a plan for everything and his plans worked he always thought of all possibilities and scenarios and had plans for it all
19:37 me during my English class linking whatever I could to anime lol
I honestly had a joint before this and yoooo.... My wheels are turning now🤣
In my opinion, the answer to the question, "Was Madara right in enacting his Infinite Tsukuyomi Plan?" Is really predicated on the motive behind that plan.
For example...
--If Madara enacted his Infinite Tsukuyomi Plan in order to create a world without war, then yes, he made the right choice; or at the very least, one of several right choices.
However...
--If Madara enacted his Infinite Tsukuyomi Plan in order to keep the human race from destroying itself, then no, he did not make the right choice; as their is no right choice in this regard (Mankind is hell-bent on destroying itself, and will readily do so, if given the opportunity. But putting all that aside for the moment, the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan does not allow for the creation of new life, as everyone caught under it is left to dream for all eternity; this means that no one is making and/or raising babies, meaning humanity would ultimately wind up extinct as a result of the Infinite Tsukuyomi Plan).
So yeah... the question of whether or not Madara was "right" in doing what he did, really depends on the motive and/or desired outcome behind the Infinite Tsukuyomi Plan. I.E. - The "Why" behind the Infinite Tsukuyomi will ultimately determine whether or not Madara was right.
And just as a sidebar, I respectfully disagree with your notions concerning perception and reality, and how the two are relative and virtually interchangable.
--Perceptions are perceptions, reality is reality, and never the two shall meet.
For instance... I can sit here and "perceive" myself as a man who has a huge *cough-cough* "appendage," but that perception will never change the reality of what I was actually born with. And this is true with everything else in life. In short, perception has little to no bearing on reality. 2+2 will always equal 4. Gravity will always pull down on objects caught within its range. And Boruto will always be my least favorite Naruto spin off. 😉
Facts are facts. And no amount of philosophical arguments or wishful/delusional thinking will change that.
My god Madara’s life was basically lose to Senjus to the point he became demented lmfao 🤣 He got clapped left and right so badly that it took a plan to wait for the big ones to die so he could do something jeee I never knew he was this miserable. Good video!
Ur videos are amazing bro keep it going
This was very enlightening. I agree with you 100%. They way you break down reality and virtuality very good sir.👌🏾
Ready to hear yo take on this bubba
I love your videos and I started watching the videos 3 days ago.
I like philosophical conversations they open a new direction to understanding
Hey nick you should do a video where you remember that Madara said he’s the oldest of five until three of his brothers died leaving him and Izuna
Bro my man left us on a cliffhanger like common he was gassing us up and then did not give us a answer.
Sweeeeeet I love when you upload bro!!!
Nick you are so awesome making theories about this
Dude got a tattoo of the little fire dude from howls moving castle thts hella dope bro
Disrespectful is absolutely the right word to use about Madara's death 😂 I'm so glad you exist
Very good video. Very deep talk. I enjoyed it
amazing video as always
NCHammars talk no jutsu is on point
Another awesome video!