The Very Neat Peruvian Navy 1891 Mauser Carbine
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Peru acquired a large stock of Model 1891 Mausers from Argentina in 1901, and the carbine we are looking at today is a conversion from one of those long rifles - not a factory carbine. A few hundred of these conversions were done in the 1930s for the Peruvian Navy, and the result is a pretty interesting configuration, I think. The guns have 1909-type langevisier “roller-coaster” rear sights, which don’t appear to have been calibrated with the barleycorn front sights of the marked range settings (400-2000m). The hand guard is retained form the 1891 long rifle, and the barrels include a variety of replacement types - this one is Belgian proofed, making it almost certainly an FN barrel purchased in the 1930s as well. The other interesting mark is a date stamp of 1963 on the stock. This seems very unlikely to have been the date of conversion (which is almost certainly in the 30s), and these dates vary between 1963 and 1968 on other observed carbines like this. Whether is was added by an importer for some reason or perhaps as a property mark in the 60s by the Peruvian Navy (or some other reason altogether) remains a mystery.
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Ian Loves the Little Mausers
All the Mausers of the World
Never imagined Ian made a video about a Peruvian related weapon. I´m a big fan of his and see him talking about my country warms my heart. Thank you Gun Jesus, saludos from Peru!!
I wouldn’t mind using that Mauser for hunting because of the shorten barrel I think it would make it easier to travel through the woods with it compared to a longer barrel rifle.
It is used for hunting in these days
I had no idea that Argentina and Peru shared a mutual enemy: a spicy stew made with ground beef and, sometimes, beans.
Yup, we do. Please, don't bring Chile up in front of Peruvians. Many of my compatriots go into seething fits of rage when the topic is mentioned. However, simply saying "el pisco es Peruano" will calm the person down.
Rodrigo de Piérola I think that if you drink a lot of pisco sour you no longer have the capacity to do anything
Zero Cool Americans be like👀
Zero Cool Only silly people and politicians get a hard on with that. Chile is great country.
Zero Cool i mean i can understand hating Argentina.
You know its good when he puts very neat in the title
Ian, I've spoken to a few people. The date on the stock is most likely date of release from navel/ship service. Right around that time there was a lot of vessels coming and going from Peruvian service.
I love carbines. Light, handy, and I can't see far enough to use a rifle anyway.
I would assume the stock date is the date they were surplus-ed out?
My thoughts exactly.
I have done some quick research and indeed it does look like it.
It start in 1963 : year of the election of Fernando Belaunde Terry, who maybe starts to rearm some forces, I have not been able to find any document confirming it especially for something as niche as the Navy's small arms, but as we'll see later, they were probably thinking about bringing their navy into the XXIst century already.
And it ends (? abruptly ?) in 1968 : Year of a military coup in Peru (? who thus stopped surplussing firearms, as they might have wanted to have them around ?).
In the 70s a big rearmament plan is launched to renew the entire Peruvian navy's fleet.
So no hard data, but it does look very plausible that they were intending to modernize their navy and they took a bit of a head start with small arms.
On the other hand 5 years sounds like an awfully long time to get rid of a few hundred guns. Maybe the german small arms market wasn't what it is today. With WW2 souvenirs still flooding the market people might just not have been interested in buying "compromised", modified, "third-world" version of german guns, for which they had more "german" versions lying around in piles. And when you're Peru (furthermore the peruvian navy) you can't really surplus, your 100 years old, almost obsolete small arms, to any army. :/
Stoner 63 That’s what I was thinking.
Stoner 63 It seems we all came to a similar conclusion.
I was thinking the same thing regarding the stock date being a marking to denote the year they were made surplus for the commercial market.
that was also My guess , to Me it is the most simple & logical conclusion but it is ultimately only a guess .
The sights are ranged "optimistically" to say the least.
Abdul-Qader Haddad especially with such a short sight radius!
Yeah, I thought the same when I heard 2000 meters, that's damned near a mile and a quarter - with irons.
If you have 50 guys on your boat volley firing at the enemy's boat 1400 meters or more away it's not that crazy- I definitely wouldn't want to be doing ship hand things on deck if bullets are raining down on us at random.
Now about the zeroing.... Haha good luck.
KennyCnotG I can’t see even 50 guys hitting a boat sized target at 1400m with a sort barrelled carbine, from land. Let alone from a pitching, rolling ship! I’d feel pretty safe to be honest.
Matt Hayward You know that really does make sense- but I might still be scared personally haha. I wonder what the ballistic effectiveness past 800-1000 yards are with these era of rifles.
You never fail to find the gems. Brilliant history to this otherwise innocuous looking Mauser. I wouldn't have looked twice at this. thanks so much.
Used to have a similar, but later rifle. Venezuelan Naval carbine. FN made 7x57 with a barely 16" barrel. Rear sight was also a full length tangent that bore no relation to actual zero. It was built with a semi-pistol grip stock, but modified to a straight wrist - not especially well, but it left a bit of a palm swell.
I assume the very short length was to make it fit at port arms through a narrow passageway, but it also made it effective as a short range flamethrower with most loads
Mark Becht love the 7mm
I've shot quite a bit of 7.65 Mauser. It'll make a fine fireball at the end of that stubby little barrel. I love looking at carbines,love carrying one.......hate shooting the barking bastards.
Pretty neat, yeah.
Mausers and South America go hand in hand.
Just Another Videoless Channel you don't have any videos
So do FNs and South America
Mauser was the go-to rifle for Latin America, as it was for the rest of the world before WWII. The actual carbine is a largely forgotten type, but well-worth the study. The various Mauser carbines are handy shooters. The 7mmx57 and 7.65mmx57 were both popluar cartridges in Latin America.
Carbines are cool, and handy; and this one appears to have a bit more interesting grain in it's stock that most miliary pieces.
Really interesting and one of the most beautiful carbines I have ever seen and I can’t exactly put my finger on what makes it so pretty to me.
Thanks for another interesting bolt gun Ian, rich history with what looks like just a carbine
3:54 "Hello, thank you for calling Gun Jesus"
I didnt even notice that first time
I was just watching your video on Perúvian Mausers yesterday
There was once a man from Peru
who dreamt he was eating his shoe. He woke with a fright.
in the middle of the night.
to find out his dream had come true.
Spongebob, Jan. 2000
Stopgap guns and in-house conversions are always interesting. That sight is certainly a little much for a carbine. A simple slider graduated to 600 yds would be fine. Or better yet, a 2 position receiver sight calibrated for say, 100 and 300 yds. Beyond 300, just use a little Kentucky holdover. Navies use them for dockside security or shore parties, so they do not shoot at very long range. Fascinating details though, as is the case with many military arms. Great video as always. Thank you
So smol, so cute
i think it's cold in there
Perhaps the stock year stamping is a surplus batch date? i.e, bunch of carbines surplussed in 1964, a different bunch in 1965, etc?
al What I was thinking too. Either that, or some kind of rolling inventory, they just stamped them as they came in, just to indicate that they had been counted...
al I wondered that!
Interesting gun from my country.
Lol loved the sights that start at 400m, go out to 2km, havent been zero'd oh and they just slap em on a carbine haha brilliant
Hey, i don't even own a gun ahah or really have an interest in guns but i have to say, you are very good at speaking and explaining things. Very informative. Good work
The fact that there isn't a honking great Argentine crest where Peruvian one is, makes it very suspicious that Argentina ever intended to use these rifles themselves
From what was told to me years ago by a master mauser gunsmith..the stock numbers on the Argentina mausers were lot numbers ...I had a 7 mm Chilean mauser that he customized for me...
Was doing a WWII quiz on the net that had a pic of you shooting a johnson smg, they also did a poor job of picking WWII weapons, some obvious WWI and newer
Oh man. This has my name all over it. May have to bid on it.
Hey Ian, have you been to the CMP center? They have some unusual Garands there.
Great video, very informative.
I quiet by accident walked into a local pawn shop where I found a all numbers matching 1891
Argentine Mauser 7.65 x 53.. It had a bit of mold on the sling, which I cleaned easily.. Mine has the number L 8221 . What year would this one be from ?
DWM owned FN and gun sales were marketed thru FN frequently during the highest point of DWMs conglomerate
I wonder if they were used for side parties /salutes. Could explain the dgf about the sights.
I THINK the date stamp is when they last left inventory. The dates of the 1960s seems to line up with when the Peruvian's last send these out to the surplus market. Just because the dates seem to line up like that though does not mean that is defiantly where it came from. I have never heard of a military doing that before.
That ring at 3.56 made me think someone was ringing my doorbell.
The huge and crazily ranged langevizier makes this gun silly.
That sight is the real weapon. The rest is merely a handle.
adaw2d3222 'Langvisier' is the correct german spelling.
Whoo whee! Another triumph!!
A question - how do the rounds stay in the single-stack magazine, since rounds go straight down for loading and therefore by necessity don't have feed lips to then hold them in place? Is there a flicky gizmo or something? I couldn't see it when Ian "popped the hood".
I notice the numbers on the side of the sight are the original range markings, what about the numbers on the top? seen at 6:50.
Cool little carbine
If there's a chance you guys read this, I'd love to see some information on the weapons of the Spanish civil war!
Gee where would you start? I think every firearm in the world found its way there, along with domestic production. This includes Hermann Goering selling guns to the Republicans (Gold hass no caste, as the philosopher Tarl Cabot/Bosk of Port Kar puts it.
Oh hey a reply! Yeah, the spanish civil war doesn't get any real coverage from what I know.
Could the “1964” be the date the rifle was struck from military inventory/sold to another market?
Could the number be the year they were surplussed.
Could it be that the carbines were brought back from storage or whatever for training or parade use?
I wonder why Mauser moved away from those vertical magazines extending below the stock. The stocks on the 1891 rifles are much more svelte and make for a little bit lighter and better balanced rifle, imho.
How do you load a magazine from a stripper clip and not end up with a double stack double feed system? How is a single stack of rounds retained within the magazine if they can be pushed in straight down?
David Morningstar Mosins use a single stack with stripper clips, so I assume the interrupt/follower would be configured differently?
Argentina not being able to pay its debts? As an Argentine I'm not very surprised (ლ‸－)
Spicier than their puff peppers.
bladudemovies they're illegal in 50 countries, including Amereeeca
I guess this is the very definition of the kind of rifle where the sights are set for such long range use you have to aim at your enemy's kneecaps to have a hope of shooting them in the chest...
Love me some carbines, in any form.
Love carabines! The peruvians return that favor by giving us their mirages in the Malvinas war. We are like brothers with this guys...
Thee Peruvians sent Mirage 5P FGAs to Argentina to replace losses in the Falklands/Mavinas War. They nine surviors off 10 sent were later updated to the Mara standard and retired in 2015.
Jay Felsberg Eso!
Surplussed and imported into Belgium in the 60's and therefor with a Belgium proof mark?
Man, these carbines look really sexy and ahead of their time.
Oh! glad to see South American weapons on the channel.
That's nice and all, but when are you gonna show us a Dardick revolver?
That thing will shoot fire balls
Referring to the sight - maybe soldiers was just trained, to subtract specific amount from numbers on the scale? Probably it is not linear dependence, but this short guns was effective anyway for few hundreds meters max.
Whoa that's cool
What is the length of the cleaning rod please?
I noticed you often say whether a gun is single or double stack and feed. Are the benefits of each? Any videos of yours that talk about it
Single stack magazines can be thinner, double stack magazines don't have to be so long. Single feed doesn't require as complex of a bolt face, but a double stack magazine that narrows for single feed, can get bottle necked.
DzeboVolodija Single stacks also generally feed better, while doubles require precise feed lips to not mis-feed and cause some kind of jamming.
Love mine
I love carbines too.
Last time I was this early, in order to use a Carbine you had to be mounted and wear a chest plate
Being from Argentina myself, my guess would be that we simply couldn't pay for them hahaha
^_^
No te quepa ninguna duda... Jaja
I was there for six months - Austral was 650 to the dollar when we arrived, 5k when we left...
Americans complain about inflation and I just sigh.
I haven't been this early since this carbine was new technology. lol
meh I thought I'd try my hand at one of these types of comments. Granted, maybe I failed miserably. But if you can't laugh at yourself, you don't have a sense of humor. lol
it´s carbine nor carbine!
Karabiner?
Peruvian flake rifle?
Count me in!!
There's more than one Mauser variant? ;-)
What caliber is it? Argentina used 7.65mm. I don't know what Peru was using.
Also 7.65mmx57, a more common cartridge in Latin America than we realize. Bolivia, Columbia, Paraguay and Ecuador also used 7.65mm rifles.
That just looks so weirdly stubby at the front!
nah. it's just cold in there
Bwah hah!
*_Viva Peru Carajo!!!_*
I had thought that everyone in South America *except* Argentina used 7x57mm?
Some like Argentina and Peru adopted the 7.65mmx57. Argentina also adopted the FM-49 semi-automatic rifle in the caliber. It was also the standard Belgian cartridge before WWII. Bolivia, Columbia, Ecuador, and Paraguay were other Latin American nations that adopted rifles in the cartridge.
If someone wanted a Mauser but can’t afford German Mauser is their a more affordable but good option?
Good morning buds👍
One thing that I am curious about is that this carbine is in 8mm; if Rock Island is to be believed, while the 1935 contract Peruvian carbine in the same lot is in 7.65mm. two different calibers in service with the same country at the same time doesn't make much sense to me.
It's chambered in 7.65mm not 8mm.
That would make sense, but as I stated Rock Island has it being an 8mm. The smart thing to do is to do a chamber cast before attempting to shoot it.
What could you Actually hit at 2200 yards with a 1891 model carbine with iron sights?
Zea Moore The extreme long range was designed for and old tactic known as volley fire. Think archers in medieval times firing as a large group at an area target.
Ah. That makes sense. Thanks :-)
Zea Moore Remember that tactics have not evolved too much from when soldiers would stand in open fields and shoot at each other.
This was an era where old tactics were being used with new technolgies.
Remember that Generals always start out using tactics of the last war and weapons bought are generally made in response to previous situations.
No link to the auction? Is that an oversight or a reaction to the Tube's policies?
pscwplb He links to his site, then from there to LIA, just to be safe from demonetization, as the new rules include a ban on selling of guns, and if he links directly to an auction, it could be construed as an ad for the sale of a gun, and YT doesn't want to be complicit in that.
Axel Pingol What happened to BotR?
Axel Pingol Sounds weird... Then again, consistency isn't exactly something YT is famous for. If BotR was earning them as much as, say, the Paul brothers, they wouldn't have been shut down at all...
Axel Pingol You completely missed my point. CZcams are inconsistent in their application of rules and guidelines based on how much money they are making off of the content creators.
This belongs to the private cavalry of the Peruvian navy.
US export Date for the stock number?
karas sggekt Maybe one of Sam Cummins imports?
Thanks, Gun Jesus
Would like to see some more videos on WWII hungarian guns.
Him's just a wittle guy.
Sorry, this tiny carbine made me channel Chris Farley.
I don’t know if this is just a glitch but every time I turn the notifications it says “error please try again”
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8mm?
my guess is that 1963 is the year that it was taken out of service and sold of.
Straw man purchase. :D
Used in vientnam
Had to pause at 3:54 to answer the door.
Why is this video in the Chinese Mystery pistols playlist?
People are making antique gun mods for fallout 4 like the Bergmann automatic 1896 pistol
maybe the odd number is when they left military service?
I want to see Bolivia navy weapons, sure they navy has a lot of guns.
1964 seems like a rack number,.
"Deutsche Waffen-und Munitionsfabriken, Berlin." Sounds like something, right? :)
The way I heard the story is Peru took part of the country of Chile and Turkey put them in Greece then fed them to Hungry. Mystery solved.
Algo de Perú 0: ...
98K！！！？？？
Probably trained as it's not 400m, it's 40m...the 1000m mark is 100m 0
Mmm..
ebic
Peru has a navy? You learn something new every day...
Yep, and some interesting history with it, along with the ABC powers as well. :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C3%A1scar_(ironclad)
You are confusing Perú with Bolivia. And Bolivia still has a navy.
well of course it has a navy, those peruvian coasts wont protect themselves duh
Thomas It's almost like you need a Navy if your country has a coast or something
Peru has a large and effective navy, including a number of missile-armed ships and a large river patrol force
Do a wikpedia search and you will find that Peru is well-represented in the naval world, with a history of naval action.
Praise be Gun Jesus