St Petersburg Cavalry School Mosin Carbine

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    This is a rather mysterious - or at least poorly documented - Mosin Nagant carbine variation. Made from an assortment of rifles dated from 1896 through 1920, these carbines were designed to fit Gulkevich folding bayonets. They have a barrel just slightly longer than a 1907 carbine, but were fitted with 1907 Carbine rear sights. They were also fitted with metal sheaths alongside the rear sights to retain the tip of the folding bayonet, as well as new sling swivels on the left side of the stock and barrel band.
    Basically no documentation has been published explaining the origin and purpose of these carbines, but hopefully some will eventually be found. The best hypothesis I am aware of at this time is that the carbines were made by and for the St Petersburg Cavalry School.
    Thanks to the anonymous collector who shared this one with us!
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Komentáře • 231

  • @PreciseShoryuken
    @PreciseShoryuken Před 6 lety +161

    A true forgotten weapon?

  • @KonstaKokC
    @KonstaKokC Před 6 lety +43

    I'm actually watching this from St Petersburg. Yet another interesting video, thanks Ian!

    • @2damaxmr2
      @2damaxmr2 Před 6 lety +3

      Maybe you could research on your end to help us solve this mystery. A lot of time these information is impossible to find outside of Russia.

    • @Govanmauler
      @Govanmauler Před 6 lety

      We disciples of gun jesus are everywhere, in fact we are legion !

    • @-I-I-I-I-I-
      @-I-I-I-I-I- Před 6 lety +1

      Вы в Питере? Может в артилерийском музее, историки могут помочь?

  • @JackalRelated
    @JackalRelated Před 6 lety +144

    It's five in the morning, but here I am watching Forgotten Weapons.

  • @AldanFerrox
    @AldanFerrox Před 6 lety +64

    A friend of mine actually owns one of these rifles here in Germany. His father bought it in the early nineties from Frankonia.

    • @AldanFerrox
      @AldanFerrox Před 6 lety +6

      Nope, they just advertised them as Mosin carbines. And as Ian said they simply bought them from an Russian arsenal after the fall of the Soviet Union. The surplussed many old weapons during that time to get some money. The Russians themselves probably didn't know anything about the origin of these guns back than.

    • @necromorph1109
      @necromorph1109 Před 5 lety +3

      Should keep it in case of a Islamic uprising.

  • @DefunctYompelvert
    @DefunctYompelvert Před 4 lety +9

    The bayonet was probably added because Cavalry in St. Petersberg at the time were used as crowd control and breaking up groups of protesters in the run-up to the revolution, so having a pointy bayonet becomes a useful deterrent in that role when they're dismounted.

  • @MrS22222
    @MrS22222 Před 6 lety +62

    Oof, I'd love to see the fireball on this thing.

  • @scottybeegood
    @scottybeegood Před 6 lety +43

    a true forgotten weapon

  • @CrescentGuard
    @CrescentGuard Před 6 lety +288

    Something tells me that this rare and valuable piece of history will one day wind up in a pawn shop for $120

    • @Hybris51129
      @Hybris51129 Před 6 lety +84

      AardvarkLord I got a friend whose a expert on old Russian Mosin's. *1 Forgotten Weapons episode later*
      Best I can do is $5 bucks.

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx Před 6 lety +1

      Probably not this exact one, but sure

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Před 6 lety +27

      I don’t know, haven’t seen a Mosin go for under $200 in a while.

    • @theronwells6576
      @theronwells6576 Před 6 lety +8

      Hunter Smith Especially a carbine model

    • @gesamtszenario
      @gesamtszenario Před 6 lety +2

      Since most of these where sold by Franconia in Germany, I'm going with "no". European Pawn Shops don't take guns. Government regulations for commercial arms sales are a nightmare.

  • @Jesses001
    @Jesses001 Před 6 lety +4

    Yes, one Mosin Nagant that never made it in my Mosin Nagant collection. I have a large list of different variations of the rifle, and I knew this one existed, but it is just too hard to get, and the bayonet is impossible to get unless you are super rich and happen to be really lucky when one pops up.

  • @tvnshack
    @tvnshack Před 6 lety +40

    There was one for sale here in Western Europe a few years ago. I was broke at that time and didn't buy it. Still regret it. It was sold for a mere one and a half grand.

  • @JonManProductions
    @JonManProductions Před 6 lety +76

    Its' 8 in the morning on a monday and I'm off and I wanna sleep... nevermind, where's the vodka?

  • @trekaddict
    @trekaddict Před 6 lety +7

    It also seems they came in through Bavaria, given the Bavarian state-seal thingy is on there. They're our version of Texas, so it fits. :D

  • @kristinarain9098
    @kristinarain9098 Před 6 lety +5

    Dat short barreled Mosin - A proper *boom* stick

  • @GeorgieJMCXBLA
    @GeorgieJMCXBLA Před 6 lety +2

    Couldn't have made this video sooner. One of these with the correct bayonet was sold for £495 here in England last year. If only I had known I would have tried to pick it up.

  • @Silenthome
    @Silenthome Před 6 lety +6

    Never heard about this, thanks Ian!
    Greetings from St-Petersburg. o/

  • @BonsaiBrandy
    @BonsaiBrandy Před 6 lety +2

    In a bit of a mood today, and these vids are great for it. Very chill and interesting. Gets ya out of the rut

  • @Ghilliedude3
    @Ghilliedude3 Před 6 lety +65

    Gun Jesus: transcended us all to recognize gun numbering fonts.

    • @esthera3923
      @esthera3923 Před 6 lety +3

      He is clearly the reincarnation of John Moses Browning himself

  • @dandel351
    @dandel351 Před 6 lety

    Awesome video Ian. That is one rare rifle for sure.

  • @packlesswolf1
    @packlesswolf1 Před 6 lety

    Oh I have been waiting for this!

  • @trickydick2909
    @trickydick2909 Před 5 lety +2

    Wow that really is a unicorn. You'd be hard pressed to find a more unusual Mosin. There is a lot of confusion surrounding Mosin carbines. The 1907 was a true carbine as opposed to a cut down long rifle as were the later M38s and M44s. The Czech M91/38 and Soviet/Bulgarian M91/59 were however cut down infantry rifles.

  • @csorgb05
    @csorgb05 Před 6 lety +2

    I have a Polish 22LR single shot Mosin Nagant training rifle. Its VERY accurate and has one of the best triggers for a Mosin.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      I have one of the orginal SMLE trails rifles that was rebarreled for just the same purpose. Finally pinned down what is was thanks to Ian.

  • @USSEnterpriseA1701
    @USSEnterpriseA1701 Před 6 lety +6

    One other little detail that may or may not be relevant is the extractor has a late style Tula star stamp, while the bolt body looks like it came off of a Chatellerault, if I am remembering my Mosin factory proofs correctly, and the cocking piece is from an old Ishevsk. The Tula star is significant because it might indicate when that rifle was last overhauled or repaired, or at least how late it was seeing use of some type. After a re-watch looking at proofmarks more closely, it almost looks like that rear sling swivel has an old Ishevsk bow and arrow proof on it. If that is the case, that would definitely confirm a Russian origin for this conversion along with the bayonet mounting.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      If it was a bodge job, lead down range middle of cicvil war weapon, I should think anything that went together and wroked was needed.

    • @USSEnterpriseA1701
      @USSEnterpriseA1701 Před 6 lety +2

      But the Tula star on small parts was started around 1928 and the war was well over by that point. Prior to that they had a hammer as the parts mark, even before the revolution. I've got a 1930 Ishevsk built on a 1920 Tula "big hammer" receiver with the eponymous hammer mark stamped on the top flat of the receiver. It was one of those cases where recognizing little things like that can help you find something unusual in a stack of rifles. I seem to have a knack for finding oddities like that. My personal favorite is the re-lined 'Finned' 1903 Tula M91 with a 1917 Ishevsk receiver, that must have quite the interesting story behind it.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      A font of knowledge! Were they possibly refurbished later and kept in reserve? That might explain later marks.

    • @USSEnterpriseA1701
      @USSEnterpriseA1701 Před 6 lety +1

      That's my guess. I figured I'd read up everything I could on the milsurps that were cheap and plentiful at the time, so I could get some cool stuff while it was still affordable. People still tend to deride the Mosin as cheap junk, but those prices keep on climbing. I learned my lesson from hearing the stories about how cheap and plentiful the K98s used to be and I figured Mosins and the Yugoslav bounty we had a few years back were going to end up the same way. I predict in 50 years, my "cheap junk" rifles will likely be seen in a different light, I don't expect them to become a goldmine, but certainly more respected than they are now. This is what happens when a nearly factory condition K98 falls into the hands of a curious, history minded 12 year old. That was quite a few years back now, but my Dad and I were helping clear out my WWII vet great-uncle's stuff after he died, and we had that rifle for about a week before we found out it was supposed to go to one of his army buddies' sons. Despite losing that rifle (we did get to keep the 1903 Springfield that was also there), we were hopelessly hooked. I'm the research guy, and Dad was/still is the guy with the storage space, although I started my own branch collection once I was old enough.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      Funny enough I have a Vostock .22 target rifle that was just a cheap Russian gun. All the Russian guns I've shot have been enginnered were they needed to be, all are reliable and put up with rough handaling.

  • @FiveStringCommando
    @FiveStringCommando Před 6 lety +3

    I bought a shortened Mosin at a gun show that had no importer marks and the previous owner had “sporterized”. The bolt handle had been bent exactly like that one, and I assumed it was the guy who sporterized it. Now, I’m not so sure.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 6 lety

      FiveStringCommando garage bubbas bend mosin bolts all the time. They should have their hands chopped off!!

    • @turkey2003
      @turkey2003 Před 5 lety

      Look up Spanish civil war mosins. Many of these lack import marks as they were imported during days before strict enforcement of those laws. Also mostly all were "bubba" by the Spanish republican soldiers. They have some pretty unique characteristics that would identify them (year, sights, Spanish markings, wire swivels, etc..)

  • @stalkinghorse883
    @stalkinghorse883 Před 6 lety +1

    I think the thick right side of the forward band is there to prevent a standard bayonet from being used.

  • @francescolombrici188
    @francescolombrici188 Před 6 lety +1

    One of these is here in Italy. Owner bought it thinking he was buying a 07 carbine. No bayonet unluckily.

  • @joshsquatch7474
    @joshsquatch7474 Před 6 lety +3

    Gun jesus is the only one who can make me excited about a mosin

  • @scottmacadam6599
    @scottmacadam6599 Před 6 lety

    Hey Ian. I was wondering if there was a certain schedule you post videos and other content on this channel and on inrangetv? I try and keep up with posting times so I can always view an episode of my favorite historical channels. Better than history channel these days!

    • @thorodin6686
      @thorodin6686 Před 4 lety

      Scott Macadam dear peasant Ian doesn’t acknowledge question

  • @scottyjohn
    @scottyjohn Před 6 lety +3

    Should get with Othias about this rifle and he also has a rare cavalry carbine you could do a video on as well

  • @simonferrer
    @simonferrer Před 6 lety +2

    I wonder if making the rifle cleaning rod compatible was a armory attempt to make this a dual issue carbine that could be used by cavalry and artillery.

  • @jakkalsfuche4580
    @jakkalsfuche4580 Před 6 lety +40

    Siting here at work..mcdonnalds and Ian keeping me company

    • @blueband8114
      @blueband8114 Před 6 lety +8

      Jakkals Fuche your 1st choice not so good, 2nd choice very good.

    • @jakkalsfuche4580
      @jakkalsfuche4580 Před 6 lety +2

      Andy Uk mcdonnalds or streetside roasted chicken feet and apples..take your pick 😅

    • @tenhundredkills
      @tenhundredkills Před 6 lety +3

      My first job was at a local McDonalds. It sucked, but it allowed me to buy my first few firearms.

    • @dfwai7589
      @dfwai7589 Před 6 lety

      You and me both

    • @bungtunger5345
      @bungtunger5345 Před 6 lety +2

      everyone has to start somewhere, better a job than no job bro :)

  • @tonydragon784
    @tonydragon784 Před 6 lety

    Man those Nagant Safeties are something else

  • @brbilheimer
    @brbilheimer Před 6 lety +1

    It is so weird to see a Mosin that short

    • @W7DSY
      @W7DSY Před 6 lety

      Why? I'm 5'4" and I've seen lots of Mo-Nags.

  • @Ivanovitch2885
    @Ivanovitch2885 Před 4 lety +1

    I don't know why, but a lot of the features that were obviously added remind me of my Czech Mauser or a K98K. A side mounted sling, turned down bolt, etc. It's almost like somebody said "Man, we're awfully short on our Mauser pattern rifles for this non-essential purpose, but we have a bunch of Russian rifles in that crate over there. Let's add some stuff so the manual of arms is similar to our service rifle and call it good." It's not all that uncommon to find examples of just this practice for military academies, police units, or reserve troop training. They just happened to dig up a particularly rare variant that suited their purposes.
    I'd be curious how the length compares to maybe a Mauser rifle variant. The bolt bending was obviously done post-production because of the "belly-rolls" in the metal. I don't think they got it hot enough during the process. I think the Gulkevich bayonet hardware may be a red herring and these may have been modified in a country other than Russia. Since it has German proof marks, could the Germans have bought these commercially during the interwar period to replicate a Mauser pattern rifle for training?

  • @Yahb015CatDog
    @Yahb015CatDog Před 6 lety

    Were there other mosins in service with that bent bolt or just these ones? WAW had that style bolt on the mosin and I always wondered where the hell they got the idea for that considering most mosins are straight bolt or have that other style of curved bolt

  • @user-uz7hx6jz2h
    @user-uz7hx6jz2h Před 5 lety +4

    Thanks for the Chinese!!
    感謝中文翻譯!!

  • @mk14m0
    @mk14m0 Před 6 lety +17

    The "CRA" mark on the stock cannot be Russian. The Russian "R" is written like a Latin "P" and the Latin "R" symbol does not occur in Russian... (though a "backwards R" is a "ya" sound in Russian.)

    • @c32amgftw
      @c32amgftw Před 3 lety

      Okay... but why can’t it b Russian? P is Cyrillic sounding “r.”

  • @FiveTwoSevenTHR
    @FiveTwoSevenTHR Před 6 lety

    A mosin Nagant that is truly a forgotten weapon.

  • @wassermelones4656
    @wassermelones4656 Před 6 lety +30

    I love mosins

    • @jameshealy4594
      @jameshealy4594 Před 6 lety +13

      It's ok there's a pill for that.

    • @donavantew7835
      @donavantew7835 Před 6 lety +1

      Wassermelones me to brother. I started with 1,pu sniper. Now I have 9# all 9130' love me some Mosin.

    • @W7DSY
      @W7DSY Před 6 lety +4

      There are many rifles that are superior, but for sheer variations and total production--and that they fire the rimmed cartridge--they have to be regarded.

  • @ivyssauro123
    @ivyssauro123 Před 3 lety

    Wow what a mysterious little rifle, what the hell

  • @Taistelukalkkuna
    @Taistelukalkkuna Před 6 lety +4

    Mystery Mosin. Nice work. 0)

  • @billbauer224
    @billbauer224 Před 4 lety

    I have a M 44 Mosin nagant It has on the barrel shank T N 2 . It also has a 2 on the bolt, stock and other places. The magazine and but plate have different numbers. All numbers are stamped. any idea on this ?

  • @williamkoppos7039
    @williamkoppos7039 Před rokem

    Try finding a Ka3 cossack.....unobtainium. Very cool rifle. Never heard of this before.

  • @hambrabai1256
    @hambrabai1256 Před 6 lety +1

    There was a small pile of similar carbines that floated into Canada and the US a few years ago that are very similar but have standard rifle rear sights, and no metal sheath for the Gulkevich bayonet. However they did arrive with their bayonets, their origin is as much of a mystery as these seem to be. There really seems to be a lot of poorly documented or undocumented varieties of the Mosin Nagant in the world, I've seen pictures of a shortened 7.62x39mm version, there's the Holodovsky prototypes, heck I have a relatively bog standard M91/30 that's wearing a stock made of cedar with oversized proportions and an elevated, straight comb that makes it impossible to use the iron sights. Why it was built like that is a mystery.

    • @mattelder1971
      @mattelder1971 Před 6 lety

      Are you sure you aren't referring to M44 carbines?

    • @hambrabai1256
      @hambrabai1256 Před 6 lety

      Matt Elder Nope, it was a very limited number (maybe 5-10) with removable bayonets in a weird intermediate size.

  • @manicmechanic448
    @manicmechanic448 Před 6 lety +1

    I need this rifle in my life.

  • @joemama397
    @joemama397 Před 6 lety +6

    Its 8 at night,and my scheduled program Forgotten Weapons is on

  • @juice8762
    @juice8762 Před 6 lety

    Mosins are just cool

  • @raymartinez4596
    @raymartinez4596 Před 6 lety

    The table cloth really sets off the carbine

  • @nimbly1693
    @nimbly1693 Před 6 lety +1

    Didn't the Tsar have a 3/4 scale Mosin Nagant rifle made for Alexei?

  • @konstantin.v
    @konstantin.v Před 6 lety +6

    The lace-like tablecloth adds to the Russian aura :)

  • @W7DSY
    @W7DSY Před 6 lety +1

    Is there any end to Mosin variants? "The World Wonders..."

  • @StanislavG.
    @StanislavG. Před 6 lety +1

    This is some new level in gun nerdery... :)

  • @nooneswedish5142
    @nooneswedish5142 Před 3 lety

    A very interesting item. I have a personal theory that might be wrong.
    when i take a lock att the re stamped numbers they have an uncanny resemblance to numbers on items i know came from kirovsky zavod
    it used to be putilovsky zavod and produced railway rolling stock and oil drilling equipment.
    It was one of the first factories that the bolsheviks hot controle of, so it might be that it is made for the civil war, and that would explain the lack of documentation.

  • @trainsbangsandautomobiles824

    I find it odd that it didnt have a cleaning rod, simply due to all the ammo being corrosive at that time

  • @death13820
    @death13820 Před 6 lety +9

    Dear Lord? Where is our G11 video?

  • @skyrimn00b98
    @skyrimn00b98 Před 6 lety

    I just came into possession of a type 53 Chinese mosin carbine not too dissimilar to this rifle. However it's missing the wood furniture. Does anyone know if I can just use a normal mosin carbine stock/barrel shroud or where I could get a type 53 stock/barrel shroud?

  • @randywatson8347
    @randywatson8347 Před 6 lety

    Nice specimen.

  • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
    @JamesLaserpimpWalsh Před 6 lety +1

    Mosin Nagants are really awkward to cycle. I wouldn't like to try it while on a horse jumping about the place. You would want something like a 98k and even that would be challenging for an experienced rider to do, mind you the standards of horsemanship were very high in Russia. Those Cossack riders were second to none in the saddle and utterly fearless to boot.Thanks for the vid.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      Try shooting from a mobile vehicle which has total autonmus control , with no stabilisation. To hit the sky is a miracle.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 6 lety

      A big problem is most US owners havent ever cleaned theirs properly and they still have 70 years of dried on cosmoline gunk in the bolt and chamber face

    • @daveidpliskin5026
      @daveidpliskin5026 Před 5 lety

      no +Skoopsro mosens are inherently gummy actions due to the retaining bar at the bottom of the bolt. when they are poorly mechined it screws with the system.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 5 lety

      Daveid Pliskin i dont remember what my reply had to do with any of the posts in this comment

  • @b.griffin317
    @b.griffin317 Před 6 lety

    what was distinct about a cossack mosin?

  • @esthera3923
    @esthera3923 Před 6 lety

    My bet is that they were an early carbine made while production was being tooled up for the 1907 pattern and then when WW1 broke out they just kept producing them since they already had the machinery

  • @caseymings134
    @caseymings134 Před 6 lety

    I have a rare 1947 ex-PU sniper. Supposedly they only made about 1,000 that year.

  • @rizaradri316
    @rizaradri316 Před 6 lety

    Nice info before sleeping

  • @claudesigma3784
    @claudesigma3784 Před 6 lety

    I love me some Mosins.

  • @HandloadOfFun
    @HandloadOfFun Před 6 lety +2

    Frankonia is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) weapons and ammunition company in Germany. They have 24 stores selling hunting and sporting weapons including accessories and clothing. Frankonia also employs gunsmiths that serve the customer's guns. Everything from Frankonia ist indeed very expensive. You may say it's a german Brownell's...

  • @worldtraveler930
    @worldtraveler930 Před 6 lety +1

    I am just guessing hear but maybe it's a trials rifle that went into limited field trials.

  • @MrLoobu
    @MrLoobu Před 6 lety

    Good for hunting, easy to carry and I'm sure the shoulder could take at least a couple shots before giving out haha.

    • @kameronjones7139
      @kameronjones7139 Před 6 lety

      MrLoobu also you would be blind and deaf from the sound/flash from the muzzle. Basically it is like a small flashbang in your face

  • @schizoidboy
    @schizoidboy Před 6 lety

    Seeing the title I thought it was going to be about a rifle that was issued to cadets. It looked small enough and cadet weapons were in the beginning when they were still training teenagers to be soldiers were rather short in length. I've seen some so-called cadet guns and they were usually small long arms, at least where teenagers were concerned.

  • @burnsboysaresoldiers
    @burnsboysaresoldiers Před 6 lety

    I like how Ian tried to have the comments not blow up by saying they aren’t Finn

  • @hoppysmag
    @hoppysmag Před 6 lety

    I believe the arsenal at Springfield has one. Also they had "Armory Day" today, great collection.

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf Před 6 lety

    Forgotten Weapons CSI: Carbine Source Investigation.

  • @natto_0
    @natto_0 Před 6 lety

    WOW 0 LIKES AND 400+ LIKES
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  • @FullSemiAuto357
    @FullSemiAuto357 Před 6 lety

    Holy shit its one of those.

  • @patrislumumba07
    @patrislumumba07 Před 6 lety +1

    Nice to see my birthplace being mentioned in the Forgotten Weapons video!

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk Před 6 lety

      You were born in the Russian Empire?

    • @patrislumumba07
      @patrislumumba07 Před 6 lety

      Saint-Petersburg was renamed back from Leningrad in 1991.

    • @bskorupk
      @bskorupk Před 6 lety +1

      I'm aware, I was just joking! ;) And even if I wasn't I wouldn't have been surprised, as I have met some Centenarians in my time, both face to face, and on the internet.

  • @summerleeye588
    @summerleeye588 Před 6 lety +1

    OMG!!!!! ITS SO TINY

  • @flatsurfaces1913
    @flatsurfaces1913 Před 6 lety +4

    So just a short, stubby nice looking Mosin?

  • @jquinones7683
    @jquinones7683 Před 6 lety

    Dang it Ian I’m trying to finally go to bed!

  • @studentdrake
    @studentdrake Před 6 lety +1

    so it folded like the bayonet on an m44?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +1

      Yes, but it was also detachable.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Před 6 lety

      Forgotten Weapons Do you happen to know why did folding attached bayonets become fairly popular with the Russians, as with many of the Mosin carbines and the SKS, and their sphere of influence, but never caught in really with any other military power?

  • @YnnekStoner
    @YnnekStoner Před 6 lety +5

    The bayonet that goes to this rifle is at a local pawn shop near me

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +4

      You should email me a picture of it, at admin@forgottenweapons.com .

    • @YnnekStoner
      @YnnekStoner Před 6 lety

      Went back to the pawnshop i were i found the bayonet it was no longer there someone purchased it afraid im a little too late sorry

    • @joshjamesguitar
      @joshjamesguitar Před 4 lety

      @@ForgottenWeapons This might be an inappropriate question. But is this your rifle Ian? This is the second Ka3 marked one i've seen, the other I've held.

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 Před 6 lety

    Very nice looking rifle - a MUTT :)

  • @panzerman22
    @panzerman22 Před 6 lety

    True unicorn right there........

  • @blackwolf7777
    @blackwolf7777 Před 6 lety

    Turn down for what? closing the Chamber.

  • @GECKOZFTW
    @GECKOZFTW Před 6 lety

    So what kind of history does this rifle have? It looks pretty clean.

  • @estupidelavida
    @estupidelavida Před 5 lety

    2.000 meters is 2km, isn't it 200m instead?

  • @lukesnyder9258
    @lukesnyder9258 Před 6 lety

    I can't tell you how many times this gun whacked me in the head in Insurgency.

  • @StefanoRovere
    @StefanoRovere Před 5 lety +1

    "R" is a letter that does not appear in the cyrillic alphabet. That should tell us something... The CAR cartouche is not russian, that is not to say that the gun did not originate in Russia

  • @laughsxgiggles
    @laughsxgiggles Před 6 lety +46

    Probably some bolshevik armorer got bored.

    • @William-13
      @William-13 Před 6 lety +6

      Bob Sacamano Even so, it's really bad ass. I got a 1942 Izhevsk.

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg Před 5 lety +2

      Mine is a 1938 Izhvesk with brass cappings on the top cover for the barrel, a very nice gun.

    • @William-13
      @William-13 Před 5 lety

      7.62 x39mm I really want an Izhevsk SkS, but only 2,000 were made!

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg Před 5 lety

      @Cool Cat
      I admire your drive to acquire one! if you ever give up though, get your hands on a Yugoslavian SKS, they are great rifles too!

  • @roteroktober360
    @roteroktober360 Před 5 lety

    so this gun is either worth a shit ton of money or basically nothing if it was actually made by frankonia

  • @thomas316
    @thomas316 Před 6 lety

    This may seem like an obvious question but how does production license work between different states? If an eastern european country produced a Russian origin rifle or South American produced a rifle or part of European origin would they typically pay royalties? It must be tempting to some governments to "test" a better design, reverse engineer it and then produce their own and/or sell for export.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 6 lety

      Basicly thats what other countries did, they made their own version and sold them to whoever they wanted to support politically. Things are a bit different now after the soviet union collapsed. Venezuela makes a licensed copy of the russian izhmash ak-103 series of AKs.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 6 lety

      Licenses are a form of capitalism so i doubt communists embraced the practice much

  • @crazypath573
    @crazypath573 Před 6 lety

    Were soldiers back in the day just stronger than people nowadays? Do you think that they complained about the kick of the rifles they were using?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 6 lety +5

      The cavalry, who were the ones getting these carbines, were professional soldiers who learn to shoot properly. The conscript infantry basically just sucked at shooting by today's standards.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Před 6 lety

      On the other hand in a two way range, do you care ? As long as you are dissuading the other side that's what matters. Given the mindset (Still) of Cavalary, you are the upper echelon and an aristcratic officer class, most of them would have been on the White side. St Petersburg at the time wa sdefinitly Red. Any long arm on a horse is usless anyway, Cavalary weapons were sabre and lance. Old joke: Waht do you calll Cavalary that have lost thier horses? Infantary.

    • @William-13
      @William-13 Před 6 lety +1

      Joe Cat My 1942 Izhevsk Mosin kicks like a b***h and I'm a strong full grown man. I can't imagine what a Mosin Carbine variant is like.

    • @skoopsro7656
      @skoopsro7656 Před 6 lety +1

      Cool Cat they arent bad at all. I never understood why people think they "kick" so much. Its a full power rifle round in a rather heavy rifle. Its not a shotgun with magnum slugs. People are just used to shooting 22 caliber(5.56) "rifle" rounds nowadays. So people think anything bigger than that "kicks"

    • @William-13
      @William-13 Před 6 lety

      Skoopsro Skoopsro I own one and it kicks.

  • @BustTheNut
    @BustTheNut Před 6 lety +2

    I`m a simple man, i watch and press like before CZcams flags the video and Ian has to re-upload it.

  • @bronchiosaurus2766
    @bronchiosaurus2766 Před 6 lety +8

    excuse my ignorance here but why was the imperial marking defaced, does it became a shunned or forbidden symbol or something?

    • @AldanFerrox
      @AldanFerrox Před 6 lety +51

      I think the Communists did that after the revolution.

    • @nohero23
      @nohero23 Před 6 lety +47

      Probably just Communists trying to erase the past. As they do.

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 Před 6 lety +8

      Yeah, funny that Putin today uses both symbols of Soviet Russia but also of the Russian Empire to show off (he kind of bridges the gap, despite the fact that both of those things don't really go together because the Imperial Russians (the whites!) lost to the Communist Russians (the reds) in the Russian Civil War after WWI (that was the reason the Russians stopped fighting against say Germany! Germany sent Lenin back to Russia in a locked train-car (so he couldn't escape, even if he wanted to - which he didn't, he wanted to go back "for the revolution" (kind of like a Russian Che Guevara)...he and others actually negotiated this with Germany, so that they could leave Switzerland for Russia!))
      Also: Communism? Yeah they say that, but it never was communism! They still had leaders living in mansions/palaces etc. (they just said that they were communist IMHO!)

    • @tillmannfischer
      @tillmannfischer Před 6 lety +6

      +Bronchiosaurus Same reason why you can still occasionally find some MG3s in the German military with weird, defaced markings on them. Most of those are probably used for dry training only nowadays (the age showing its toll, with cracked receivers etc. making the guns unsafe to fire), but they are still around…

    • @SgtKOnyx
      @SgtKOnyx Před 6 lety +8

      The Party is All Comrade.
      But seriously, the Communists didn't exactly like the Imperials.

  • @backstab86
    @backstab86 Před 6 lety

    you really should invite Lindybeige here on youtube :D my two favourite historians in one video!

  • @ADRay1999
    @ADRay1999 Před 6 lety +38

    Perfect hunting rifle.

    • @adamkadir3803
      @adamkadir3803 Před 6 lety +2

      Not sure what you'd do with the folding bayonet, put down a wounded animal? Otherwise, most milsurps make for good hunting rifles.

    • @ADRay1999
      @ADRay1999 Před 6 lety +8

      Adam Kadir: I wouldn’t use the bayonets

    • @vchalmel
      @vchalmel Před 6 lety +2

      You might use the bayonet as an hunting dagger...

    • @lptomtom
      @lptomtom Před 6 lety +8

      You do know accuracy is important for hunting, right? Mosin carbines are not exactly sharpshooter rifles...

    • @ADRay1999
      @ADRay1999 Před 6 lety +15

      lptomtom: yes I know how important accuracy is, but having a carbine is better to carry into the woods because they are lighter and they easier to move around, plus normally I wait for the deer to come in my sights at about 150 yards

  • @slugger545
    @slugger545 Před 6 lety +2

    Where are those hmg stg44s at ian?

  • @user-gk8kr8ff2j
    @user-gk8kr8ff2j Před 6 lety

    Privyet from SPb !

  • @mastathrash5609
    @mastathrash5609 Před 6 lety

    Moisin carbine, aka " Soviet fireball thrower"

  • @dcwillis87
    @dcwillis87 Před 6 lety +2

    Drooooooooool

  • @borisbuliak3626
    @borisbuliak3626 Před 5 lety

    Could it have been a Romanian sale gone bust?

  • @RaDeus87
    @RaDeus87 Před 6 lety +1

    NKVD rifles ?
    Makes sense since so little is known about them, not that I know anything about the NKVD, just speculating.

    • @daveidpliskin5026
      @daveidpliskin5026 Před 5 lety

      doubt it, the NKVD are well recorded of haveing used M38 carbines and M44s later on

  • @Andrey-Lyan
    @Andrey-Lyan Před 6 lety

    Tabuk rifle

  • @welterdavin5486
    @welterdavin5486 Před 6 lety

    A1