Adventures in Surplus: Chromed Argentine 1891 Parade Rifle

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    When I got this Model 1891 Argentine rifle, I assumed it was the unfortunately result of someone's experimenting with chrome plating parts. All the small parts are chromed and then heavily worn, while the barrel and receiver remain blued. Frankly, I think it looks awful, but it was in the lot with the Kar98a that I really wanted - such is the nature of lots. Anyway, when I started doing some reading, I found that a number of other people have Argentine Mausers in a similar condition. While there is no documentary proof, it is widely surmised that these were chromed for use as drill or parade rifles by the Argentine Navy. This would explain their condition and why they were surplussed only in the last couple decades. It's a great example of why you shouldn't make assumptions about something until you are really sure...
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  • @user-xq5og9lt8p
    @user-xq5og9lt8p Před 4 lety +484

    Petition to make "Adventures in surplus" a standalone show with a really goofy title sequence

    • @gordonlawrence1448
      @gordonlawrence1448 Před 4 lety +14

      Definitely a good idea.

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ Před 4 lety +10

      How much more patreon money does he need to do it? I'd definetly be down for that.

    • @moosemaimer
      @moosemaimer Před 4 lety +6

      many years ago a friend and I used to drive around looking for gun shops to peruse... we considered filming ourselves and calling it "Quest For Fire(Arms)"

    • @jeffreyroot7346
      @jeffreyroot7346 Před 4 lety

      @@WIRRUZZZ I suspect it's a matter of no time to do it.

    • @MrGrimsmith
      @MrGrimsmith Před 4 lety

      I definitely appreciate these almost as much as the regular and "How and why" videos we get occasionally.

  • @Chlorate299
    @Chlorate299 Před 4 lety +651

    Trust Ian to find something interesting about a rifle that he initially dismissed as junk.

    • @lairdcummings9092
      @lairdcummings9092 Před 4 lety +48

      Even "junk" can have a history, and history is Ian's forte.

    • @lordperezident
      @lordperezident Před 4 lety +11

      @@lairdcummings9092 thats for sure. History is definitely his bread and butter when it comes to all firearms

    • @michelguevara151
      @michelguevara151 Před 4 lety +1

      to Gun Jesus, all *historical rifles are precious
      edit*

    • @colinmcgrath2392
      @colinmcgrath2392 Před 4 lety +12

      All gats bright and beautiful, all firearms great and small, all systems weird and wonderful, Gun Jesus loves them all!

    • @recklesssquirel5962
      @recklesssquirel5962 Před 4 lety +2

      HAVE FAITH IN GUN JESUS HEATHEN

  • @luisantolafrancis519
    @luisantolafrancis519 Před 4 lety +1063

    Yes it is a drill parade rifle, it should come with a crome bayonet too all and the scabard crome with the frog in white,, I am Uruguayan and here we have the same with some old mauser 98 that are still in use for drill, parade for the military schooll and the reg Florida batallion has allso crome plated mausers they are the históric legislature palace guard.

    • @-few-fernando11
      @-few-fernando11 Před 4 lety +45

      LUIS ANTOLA FRANCIS and I thought I was the only uruguayan watching...
      Saludos!

    • @cardiffpicker1
      @cardiffpicker1 Před 4 lety +21

      @@-few-fernando11 can you explain why Suarez keeps biting people?

    • @rotteneggs29
      @rotteneggs29 Před 4 lety +4

      @@-few-fernando11 Saludos de los estados unidos!

    • @samholdsworth3957
      @samholdsworth3957 Před 4 lety +9

      Gun Jesus has blessed you 🙏

    • @maurisnake15
      @maurisnake15 Před 4 lety +6

      @@cardiffpicker1 We like to bite humans, i mean, what?

  • @s4n714g000
    @s4n714g000 Před 4 lety +213

    -Something finally from my country
    -Ian: "It's basically junk"
    lmao, got my hopes up for nothing

    • @brentpieczynski
      @brentpieczynski Před 4 lety +2

      References to how things work with parade rifles, with parade rifles getting beat-up well. And most things after hard use, become beat-up, with curios and relics involving things other than antiques.

    • @giafran0231
      @giafran0231 Před 4 lety +5

      También hizo la ballester Molina, la hafdasa Ballester campeón y la hafdasa HA
      Dejo los links por si no los viste:
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    • @richardlooch2109
      @richardlooch2109 Před 3 lety +4

      the argentine mauser was not made in argentina it was made in germany then it was shipped to argentina. the argentine mauser is a great rifle since it was made before 1898 therefore it is an antique and does not need an FFL to purchase. and despite what ian the gun guy says i think these rifles are beautiful guns.

  • @MenwithHill
    @MenwithHill Před 4 lety +241

    In the arms collecting system, unique oddball weapons are considered especially valuable.
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    • @philllax1719
      @philllax1719 Před 4 lety +25

      Dun dun

    • @ppger
      @ppger Před 4 lety +8

      MenwithHill I think we now have the text and sound effects for the voiceover for the next episodes of adventures in surplus!

    • @fixman88
      @fixman88 Před 4 lety +2

      *giggles*

    • @thomaskirkness-little5809
      @thomaskirkness-little5809 Před 4 lety +5

      Definitely needs a recognisable rifle sound for the dun dun. A bolt being cycled, maybe.

  • @xgford94
    @xgford94 Před 4 lety +214

    This rifle is the star of Adventures in Surplus, because it’s the history of the gun not the model

    • @dontimberman5493
      @dontimberman5493 Před 4 lety +7

      Benjamin Clayton and not just the history of this gun but evidence of just how military’s use there guns. Not just for the obvious. Very cool

  • @WilliamMcCluskey13
    @WilliamMcCluskey13 Před 4 lety +110

    A unknown firearm once likely used by military parades with no documentation? Sounds like a true "forgotten weapon"

    • @leandroquinteros5823
      @leandroquinteros5823 Před 4 lety +8

      I'm Argentino (yeap) and these are still in use for ceremonial acts or parades

    • @CalacaRoja
      @CalacaRoja Před rokem

      They are still used for parades (model 1909 mostly) and are chromed

  • @nickhayes9222
    @nickhayes9222 Před 4 lety +168

    My grandfather had a sporterized 1891 he picked up sometime in the 60's. It used to hang on the wall of his den. Sure it isn't worth anything, especially not to serious collectors, but as a kid, taking that old rifle down and looking at the mechanics, learning how they all work and fit together, really sparked my interest in firearms.
    Even "junk" rifles (or in this case not quite junk) are important. Thank you for the video and the fond memory.

    • @sawyere2496
      @sawyere2496 Před 4 lety +10

      Old sporterized rifles are kind of interesting to me, even though it makes me sad to see a cool piece of history made a less cool piece of history

    • @nolanreese8378
      @nolanreese8378 Před 4 lety +1

      I love random ass surplus rifles, there’s so much behind why they were designed the way they were and it fascinates me. One of the reasons I love this channel

    • @jaydenwhite3497
      @jaydenwhite3497 Před 4 lety +3

      Same story except mine was an 1895 Chilean Mauser haha - sparked my interest in becoming an engineer and in fact I joined the navy because of it haha

    • @tucopacifico
      @tucopacifico Před 4 lety +4

      I also have a sporterized 1891, and have used it to put deer in the freezer. It's accurate even with custom open sights, and 7.65 Argentine hits like a .308 Win. The stock is effectively Mannlicher (since the barrel was cut down) carved with acorns and oak leaves, excellent checkering, a butterknife bolt handle, and a very slick action. Someone put a lot of love into it.

    • @nickhayes9222
      @nickhayes9222 Před 4 lety +2

      @@a.hollins8691 generally it means it's been modified from it's original military configuration into something more suitable for hunting (sporting). Often this includes shortening the barrel, re-profiling the stock or hand guards, modifying the bolt handle, adding telescopic sights, etc. You get the idea. It was common with a lot of very cheap imported surplus rifles throughout the years.

  • @MrBlueBurd0451
    @MrBlueBurd0451 Před 4 lety +202

    I'm certain that this rifle would be quite a looker fresh off the line.

    • @slowpokebr549
      @slowpokebr549 Před 4 lety +16

      shiny shiny

    • @kaisercreb
      @kaisercreb Před 4 lety +5

      "She likes chrome"

    • @mu99ins
      @mu99ins Před 4 lety +3

      Worn nickel plating is patina. I'd buy this gun for deer or boar hunting if I was a hunter (I'm not), and I liked the 1891 (I don't).
      The point is that it is not hideously ugly like Ian states.

  • @speakupriseup4549
    @speakupriseup4549 Před 4 lety +228

    There are people who love hairless cats so there is definitely somebody somewhere who would love how that rifle looks.

    • @Zorglub1966
      @Zorglub1966 Před 4 lety +24

      @Christie Malry I am an hairless cat, i'not related with any parade rifle

    • @henryrodgers7386
      @henryrodgers7386 Před 4 lety +15

      I don't like hairless cats, Maine Coon Gang for life, but I think this thing probably looked quite nice new.
      Having seen some of Ian's stuff, I have no idea why he finds an 1891 Parade ugly...

    • @samhansen9771
      @samhansen9771 Před 4 lety +3

      @@dzejrid I like boneless rifles and lubricated cats

    • @hitmonkey2984
      @hitmonkey2984 Před 4 lety +1

      So, I like the contrast, however. On THIS rifle, no.

    • @fuzzball57
      @fuzzball57 Před 4 lety +5

      Of course they love hairless cats! Have you ever tried to eat one with the hair still on it?

  • @bonnome2
    @bonnome2 Před 4 lety +181

    Don't call it grotesque, it is better to say that this rifle has a lot of "character"

  • @juanroldan7583
    @juanroldan7583 Před 4 lety +119

    Wow! Hi there, I´m argentine, I´ve heard of chromed plated Mauser rifles, but I´ve never seen one, because they had been all sold to U.S.A. apparently. An old Army Engineer Officer once told me that some people chromed Mauser rifles in the wrong way, presumably the interior of the chamber, these rifles were intended for parade only since they looked "nice and shiny" and were not meant to be shot, which unfortunately happened, resulting in the bolt flying backwards and sending the shooter to the hospital. I hope this history results helpfull to understand the background of the rifle.

    • @kylemichaels3373
      @kylemichaels3373 Před 4 lety +9

      It's highly unlikely that the bolt would blow out. If anything it wouldn't chamber a round with chrome plating in the chamber. If it did it would be tight and upon firing the case would just get stuck. It would take an impressive over charge of powder to blow the bolt out of one of these.

    • @juanroldan7583
      @juanroldan7583 Před 4 lety +13

      @@kylemichaels3373 I remember two really old gunsmiths disscussion about this incident, which happened in Córdoba in the ´90, one of them said that probably the front of the bolt was chrome plated thus causing overpressure since the headspace had changed, the other gunsmith beleived that probably the bullet had cordite, which in time breaks and creates much more deflagration surface thus causing overpressure. Both gunsmith agreed in one thing, this Mauser rifles were beaten badly, which lead to the conclussion that instead of throw them to the garbage, someone decided to chrome plated these rifles for parades, and they were not meant to be shot without been checked by a professional gunsmith. Once again I hoped these information help to understand the context of Mauser rifles in Argentina.

    • @skeletorex
      @skeletorex Před 4 lety +2

      Hola Juan, estos mausers son de la armada. La armada todavía los sigue usando para desfilar, el bisa y la escuela naval, ejército y fuerza aérea, los siguen teniendo pero son 1909 y no son cromados.

    • @CalacaRoja
      @CalacaRoja Před rokem

      Lo de que el cerrojo saliera volando lo escuché pero el problema es por el tipo de munición.

    • @CalacaRoja
      @CalacaRoja Před rokem

      @@kylemichaels3373 Indeed, the problem with the bolt blowing out is a problem of ammunition, generally from Paraguay

  • @travisdortch8412
    @travisdortch8412 Před 3 lety +4

    I own this rifle. It shoots great and I love it. I have Ian's signed Authentication for it. Bought it the second I saw it. An amazing part of history.

  • @zinller
    @zinller Před 4 lety +56

    This is Ian version of Unboxing mixed with "Look what i got" aaaand i love it

  • @jamesnell7224
    @jamesnell7224 Před 4 lety +26

    That Refinishing was done so long ago so that one day future generations would discover by looking at the bolt body that Ian in fact does possess a ceiling fan!

  • @CaptianMoePedro
    @CaptianMoePedro Před 4 lety +8

    I've been waiting for an Argentine Mauser Video for so long! This rifle specifically is so cool. My first rifle that I ever bought was a surplus Argentine Mauser. It's an original modification with all matching serial numbers. It even has the brass tip cleaning rod still.

  • @Amarok41
    @Amarok41 Před 4 lety +106

    The East German army had SKS for parades and ceremonial guard duty with a similar chrome pattern (small parts chromed).

    • @zacharyrollick6169
      @zacharyrollick6169 Před 4 lety +1

      Couple years back, saw a lot of chromed Czech SKSs.

    • @TheDeadfast
      @TheDeadfast Před 4 lety +7

      @@zacharyrollick6169 If they were indeed Czech then that would have been the vz. 52 rifle instead. Fully chrome plated versions are used for ceremonial purposes by the Prague Castle Guard.

    • @ddproductionscanada
      @ddproductionscanada Před 4 lety +1

      There was some chinese sks's chromed like this that came into Canada recently, theyre drill rifles

    • @ddproductionscanada
      @ddproductionscanada Před 4 lety

      www.bullseyelondon.com/chinese-sks-honor-guard-surplus-semi-auto-rifle-7-62x39mm-wood-stock-skschhguard-rifle.html

    • @zacharyrollick6169
      @zacharyrollick6169 Před 4 lety

      @@TheDeadfast Yeah, I definitely said the wrong country. The right one escapes me at the moment.

  • @noodlebomber4847
    @noodlebomber4847 Před rokem +1

    My Great Grandpa bought an Argentine Mauser from G.I Joes in 1964 for $16. He sporterized it, and my grandpa inherited it. I just bought one for $400 in immaculate condition. Still has the crest. Awesome rifles. Thanks for the video Ian! Well done as always!

  • @tomassilveira1987
    @tomassilveira1987 Před 4 lety +9

    Im from uruguay, we are argentina’s closest neighbors and we do things like those finishes in the guns to use them in military parades... i live in the frontiere, and every august 25th, a bunch of argentinian marines come to town to march dressed kind of like the British red jackets, and they use old rifles

    • @venturatheace1
      @venturatheace1 Před 11 měsíci

      Isn’t Uruguay basically Argentina’s mini-me?

  • @davidgreen40
    @davidgreen40 Před 4 lety +2

    A customer brought me a horrible looking Ballister-Molina. It looked like it was so worn the gun was almost in the white. Careful disassembly and cleaning revealed a pistol with a hard chrome finish in very good condition. When coupled with other facts (e.g., a lanyard loop, very little bore or parts wear but wear consistent with a long life holstered), we concluded it was a ceremonial gun, likely issued to some guard organization who never shot it, and carried it in a flap holster. When we took it to the range to try it the first shot was dead center in the bullseye and the remaining shots in that magazine were all in the 10-ring. My customer was super happy and continues to shoot it from time to time.

  • @MrKingdavis13
    @MrKingdavis13 Před 4 lety +86

    It would be interesting to look at the bolt face to see if the chrome plating is there as well and how much has worn off if so. That might help prove that it was a parade gun in a way if they didn't use it to shoot blanks off. I guess you would have to look into the parades of the day to determine that. Either way I find these extremely odd firearms much more interesting than the standard issue weapons and I think they have a much more intriguing story to tell.

  • @vitreousgibbon2453
    @vitreousgibbon2453 Před 4 lety +2

    I've been waiting for a video on these rifles! I have a '91 Argentine and was bummed when I couldn't find many detailed videos on them. I love the thing to death and I'm really glad my favorite living gun encyclopedia did a video for it!

  • @canbrit4621
    @canbrit4621 Před 4 lety +24

    I actually like the chrome bling... call me crazy. There’s something about it. Maybe its just different and thats cool. The history is cool too. Always a great job Ian.

  • @gustavopablofierro2001
    @gustavopablofierro2001 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Indeed an Argentine Navy 1891 rifle for honor guards and parades. There are photos of sailors with chromed plated 1891 rifles in honor guard at the 1982 War Memorial in Buenos Aires.

  • @kiltymacbagpipe
    @kiltymacbagpipe Před 4 lety +7

    As a teen I worked in an army surplus store and we had a completely chromed bayonet for the Canadian FAL.

  • @RockIslandAuctionCompany
    @RockIslandAuctionCompany Před 4 lety +48

    The title I never thought I'd see on a FW video.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna Před 4 lety +6

      *Cue Indiana Jones Music*

    • @charlesadams1721
      @charlesadams1721 Před 4 lety +3

      Well, this really is a 'Forgotten Weapon' if the origin of the chroming is as Ian described.

  • @DOffio
    @DOffio Před 4 lety +1

    Had to chuckle on this one. When I watched the Rock Island video, and Ian showed this rifle, my 1st thought was "drill team rifle." I am ex-Navy, and the Flying Rifles drill team had M1's that were chromed up. I don't remember the barrel being chrome as Ian mentioned...but it has been a few decades since I saw them.
    Good video as usual Ian!

  • @jfrorn
    @jfrorn Před 4 lety +4

    I have a photo of my father marching with one of these during his graduation from a Military Academy in Buenos Aires in the mid 50's. I'd ask him if he recognized it (He might have said he'd forgotten as he HATED going there, haha) but he's now not with us any longer.

  • @Tulip1811
    @Tulip1811 Před 4 lety +94

    Fascinating! Awful bling rifle turns out to be a rarity.

    • @tomcat2395
      @tomcat2395 Před 4 lety +4

      Not more desirable though.

    • @beavisbutt-headson3223
      @beavisbutt-headson3223 Před 4 lety +10

      ​@@tomcat2395 Wouldn't it be? I suspect labelling it as "Argentine Parade Mauser" would make it much more desirable than "Horrendously chromed by some goofball Argentine Mauser". And there have to be some people who specifically collect parade rifles. I'm not suggesting it's turned out to be a hidden gem multi-thousand dollar rifle but it's definitely gone from ruined gun to interesting historical niche.

    • @MarvinCZ
      @MarvinCZ Před 4 lety

      @@tomcat2395 More desirable than a failed home project.

    • @shako4907
      @shako4907 Před 4 lety

      @@slaughterround643 rare =/= valuable

  • @seanchan7167
    @seanchan7167 Před 4 lety +5

    He is so happy when he says 'adventures in surplus' it makes me feel lofty inside

  • @c.b.816
    @c.b.816 Před 4 lety +1

    The wear pattern on the magazine is from the inspection performance of drill in revue. With the left hand, grasp the magazine so the fingers are front, thumb is rear, muzzle is to the left. The right hand strokes the bolt open, hence the wear on the ball of the bolt handle.

  • @HariGtt
    @HariGtt Před 4 lety +63

    Argentina really loved military parades, up untill 37 years ago

    • @inthecrib
      @inthecrib Před 4 lety

      JEH

    • @Revers2206
      @Revers2206 Před 4 lety +6

      Yeah, because we had
      a bunch of military dictatorship

    • @lacolimba2777
      @lacolimba2777 Před 4 lety +7

      As Argentino I must say that joke is 37 years too soon for us

    • @HariGtt
      @HariGtt Před 4 lety

      @@lacolimba2777 it wasn't a joke. It was true. Both in democracy and with the facto governments there were frequent military parades.

  • @cm2973
    @cm2973 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for not shutting down the channel!

  • @JohnDoe-pv2iu
    @JohnDoe-pv2iu Před 4 lety

    Some old decorative rifles are pretty cool. I served on an Honor guard with 1903A3 Springfield rifles. We fired blanks for services, but the rifles had great 4 groove rifling. We cleaned and maintained the rifles perfectly. I remember another young man who wanted to take his rifle deer hunting. He said he just wanted to get a deer with a rifle that old! He never did and the rifles were only about 70 years old back then.
    Rifles that have been delegated to drill or Honor guard use are obsolete for military purposes but often the best of the period. They were usually, long ago obsolete so the only reason they were still in inventory was because they were like new!
    Great video! Take Care, John

  • @ithinkihadeight
    @ithinkihadeight Před 4 lety +45

    I'd almost be tempted to have it "restored" to close to original condition by having everything rechromed.

    • @t44e6
      @t44e6 Před 4 lety +6

      Uh...NO.

    • @dredlord47
      @dredlord47 Před 4 lety +2

      Chroming is rather expensive, so maybe not. The job would probably cost more than the rifle.

    • @roboticrebel4092
      @roboticrebel4092 Před 4 lety +9

      That's what I would do
      You aren't gonna make it worse anyhow

    • @Getoffmycloud53
      @Getoffmycloud53 Před 4 lety +5

      To each his own, but re-chroming would remove the history. The worn chrome is part of the character. Rifle with an interesting story.

    • @ithinkihadeight
      @ithinkihadeight Před 4 lety +3

      @@roboticrebel4092 That's what I'm thinking, if I'm going to own a drill rifle, might as well get it properly gussied up.

  • @namvet7971
    @namvet7971 Před 4 lety +2

    back in '59, I bought a mint '91 Argentine, with cleaning rod, for $10 out of a barrel at a 5c & 10c store, and shot it some when I was a kid with my dad. It is at my son's place now, so I can't check the gun for its serial bomber and such. Mine has the crest removed, but is otherwise a mint, unmarred rifle. I bought other guns too, for ten bucks of my lawn mowing money, including MKlll Enfield's and others. I shoot the latter guns. I haven't gotten around to reloading the 7.65 rifle. found a matching bayonets for it at a thrift shop not long ago. NV, in UpState SC

  • @robertfoley8414
    @robertfoley8414 Před 4 lety +27

    IMO if the small bits were chromed and the rest blued and oil polished to the nines it would be stunning

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Před 4 lety +2

      Yeah, back in it's day this would have gorgeous after a full army regulation shine job :)

  • @MasterOfHelium
    @MasterOfHelium Před 4 lety +26

    Imagine actually parading with these, everyone would be blind by so many sunlight reflections cast off the magazines!

    • @wolflegion_
      @wolflegion_ Před 4 lety +10

      So my theory is that these were actually standard service rifles. The chroming gives soldiers a last resort blinding weapon in case ammo runs out.
      “By the power invested in me by the god of bling: BE GONE FOUL BEAST”

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ Před 4 lety +1

      @@wolflegion_ While engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever, chroming does. Intresting . . .

    • @wolflegion_
      @wolflegion_ Před 4 lety +2

      WIRRUZZZ Nice engraving might give the enemy a drooling debuff?

    • @_tertle3892
      @_tertle3892 Před 4 lety +2

      It’s not for bilnding it’s for signaling like the did on warships

  • @leandroquinteros5823
    @leandroquinteros5823 Před 4 lety +23

    good morning and greetings from Argentina. most likely, this rifle has been commissioned in the navy and the chrome work has been commissioned to the workshops of this branch. they have a habit of using this type of weapons. especially since the letters are painted white, the army would not have spent on that type of stere, but rather would have chosen better quality leather straps and wooden butts

    • @matthewspencer5086
      @matthewspencer5086 Před 4 lety +7

      One firearms book states that the Royal Navy took most of the production of the Lanchester sub-machine gun because it had a brass magazine housing which sailors could be made to polish, so I'm inclined to believe you 100%

    • @leandroquinteros5823
      @leandroquinteros5823 Před 4 lety +1

      @Superdude70 ok meaby i'm wrong whit that, but you can look pictures of the 1910 1rs Argentina century parade, and you will see that the Army branch (granaderos a caballo) use patina Mausers.

    • @leandroquinteros5823
      @leandroquinteros5823 Před 4 lety +1

      @@matthewspencer5086 Argentina and UK have a love to hate you kind relationship. For most of a century Argentina's politics and also militaries form Army and Navy was influiced by UK. Even today in Malvinas war memorial in Buenos Aires, guards From Navy (cadetes de infantes de Marina) use a ceremonial Mauser to wach the monument.

  • @neoplan6116
    @neoplan6116 Před 4 lety +8

    I love that you give us a video in this style from all 4 guns of this lot! Thx!

  • @zukriuchen
    @zukriuchen Před 4 lety +27

    Ah, yes, the classic gun look of "Power Rangers toy with paint wearing off"

  • @davidkohler7454
    @davidkohler7454 Před 3 lety

    I have been collecting surplus military rifles for over 20 years. I am very happy you are making this new surplus review series. Thanks Ian . I enjoy your content very much.

  • @JPR3D
    @JPR3D Před 4 lety +1

    I'm really enjoying this videos of looking at surplus / C&R guns with a perspective of buying/collecting them today.

  • @Radioactiveafikomen
    @Radioactiveafikomen Před 4 lety +14

    It's funny to imagine junk guns endlessly cycling through collectors and auctions. You got the junk gun because it was bundled with the gun you wanted. You die, and your whole collection goes to an auction. Your junk gun is now bundled with a gun somebody actually wants…
    Repeat.

    • @ericstromberg9608
      @ericstromberg9608 Před 4 lety +3

      Eventually, the junk gun is old and rare enough to be desirable, and gets bundled with a new generation of junk...

  • @blamb42
    @blamb42 Před 4 lety +1

    One of your longer videos and only the briefest mention of the rather nice 7.65x53mm Belgian cartridge. I had an '09 Argentine Mauser (poorly sporterized) for many year and only sold it when ammo reached the $2.00 per round level. Ballistically it seemed to fall right in between the .308 Winchester and the venerable .30-06 even though it isn't a true .30 caliber (0.313 inches). It never failed to drop a whitetail as long as I did my part.

  • @DACFalloutRanger
    @DACFalloutRanger Před 4 lety +40

    My LGS that just went out of business had two chrome rolling blocks, but I don't think they were worth anything.

  • @neilcook4686
    @neilcook4686 Před 4 lety +1

    As a side note, I can recommend the Museo De Las Armas next to Plaza San Martin in Buenos Aires. Superb selection of weapons and armours, crammed into a place that should be much bigger (plus, the old chap who was doing the admissions when I visited in 2016 has a fine singing voice and almost charmed my argentinian novia :) )

  • @matthewspencer5086
    @matthewspencer5086 Před 4 lety +3

    "Nobody's collection contains only good stuff." Back in the golden age, when Kenneth Bound edited Mayfair Magazine and the tobacco industry was allowed to subsidise his efforts, my collection of gentleman's literature consisted solely of items I could not bear to throw away. Once Mr Bound retired and the tobacco adverts (I have never smoked and do not intend to start) were replaced by "personal services" and "premium phoneline" adverts, there was nothing that I really wanted to buy in the first place. Not sure how this relates to gun collections, but it might.

  • @misterwango8156
    @misterwango8156 Před 4 lety

    We had chrome plated WW1 era Springfields with chrome bayonets up to the 1980s as well. The bayonets actually helped balance the rifle while spinning...yeah spinning. Ours did fire blank rounds so I'm force remembering they were not chromed in the action. Surprised at how good it looks as we often broke stocks and forehand guards through aggressive precision.

  • @millingsterlovesbang
    @millingsterlovesbang Před 4 lety +1

    Long time viewer, infrequent commenter here. Just wanted to say I'm a huge fan of the "Adventures in surplus" series. Please make it a regular feature.

  • @TheRapand
    @TheRapand Před 4 lety

    I just love your dissections of your new-found treasure.

  • @notyermama1597
    @notyermama1597 Před 4 lety +1

    You did it again! That's two in a row! :-) got to say, I'm liking the history and I like this series! Well done, Ian!

  • @charlesschenkbecher
    @charlesschenkbecher Před 4 lety +1

    Keep up the good work Gun Jesus, I'm totally digging the new series!

  • @dunkirchen1940
    @dunkirchen1940 Před 4 lety

    Such a great series. Ian, I'd love to see more of these Adventures in Surplus videos. Right up my alley!

  • @thecrusader3852
    @thecrusader3852 Před 4 lety +27

    It's beautiful in its own way, just like any other weapon

    • @Heskey-pn1yc
      @Heskey-pn1yc Před 4 lety +3

      I actually love those ceremonial Mauser rifles.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna Před 4 lety +2

      *Rifle sobbing* "Ian called me ugly...."

    • @richardlooch2109
      @richardlooch2109 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Taistelukalkkuna my rifle is in a pretty bad situation... it overheard ian calling it a piece of junk. now my rifle is crying so hard... i took my rifle to the therapist and when they saw me i was thrown out the building by a bunch of cops with these ugly ass glocks if i dont pet it and clean it every day tears will drip down the barrel. the poor rifle thinks jesus has disowned it.

  • @KP-nd8is
    @KP-nd8is Před 4 lety

    Ian- thanks for putting out such interesting and unique content. Great to escape with your channel during current times.

  • @jjeckerm06
    @jjeckerm06 Před 4 lety

    My late father had a sporterized one - someone had turned down the bolt. Crests were ground off the receiver, and gouged out of the stock. It had the short handguard. I got to fire it once as a teen, and it was actually a very nice rifle.

  • @tomservo5347
    @tomservo5347 Před rokem +1

    I'm picking up a 7.65x54 'Argentine' Mauser from my local dealer. Excited as I love Mausers along with full stock, bolt action military rifles as I also have a Mark II Enfield that fires .303 British. (My Dad's 14th birthday gift from back in the day when hardware stores would have a barrel of surplus rifles for $10.) My only concern is whether the ammunition is oddball and hard to find. It'll make a fine deer rifle.

  • @kadornaX
    @kadornaX Před 4 lety

    Argentine here, Ian, theres an story that a container of Manlincher 1901 pistols from the army were trown to the ocean after they were decomissioned. But the task was made by civilians, a lot of them well.... were saved from the ocean. I had the chance to shoot one of those in 2002. Also an Fg-42 (yeah you can imagine how reach my country ejeje). We have a lot unique weaponry still going around in our land, also you should check on what wonderful surplus of weapons we used against the british in the Falkland Conflict.

  • @PenDragonsPig
    @PenDragonsPig Před 4 lety

    I remember parade drilling (with a #4) was fun. We had this thing, four of us, done around an unmarked square, no verbals, the butt was tapped on tarmac, bounced on wood, lasting about 10 minutes. When I joined the RAF the corporal sent me off to drill fellow recruits who were getting it while he tried to teach remedials- highly unorthodox.

  • @sparepartssparepartsempori519

    Really cool video! I have an argentine mauser cavalry carbine that has regrettably been sporterized, but since it's not all original, I don't have to worry about keeping it original.

  • @johnmulholland1789
    @johnmulholland1789 Před 4 lety +2

    This may be one of my favorite videos you’ve ever done.

  • @kebabking7025
    @kebabking7025 Před 4 lety +7

    Damn I love these style of videos! Keep this style for some future videos!! Stay safe and keep it up!

  • @Taolan8472
    @Taolan8472 Před 4 lety +2

    Hopefully this is enough of a success he gets invited to do promos for other auction houses.
    This was quite the Adventure in Surplus!

  • @vthrash7832
    @vthrash7832 Před rokem +1

    there is another argentine chromed variation, the Mauser de Ingenieros, it's a special order of 1909s that came chromed. Those weren't made in argentina, and presumly came already chromed in the same manner.

  • @donpowers633
    @donpowers633 Před 4 lety

    I love your series titling. I often find myself in unexpected situations and tend to describe them affectionately as "adventures".

  • @carlweiss8942
    @carlweiss8942 Před 4 lety

    thanks for taking the time to find out about this rifle i think it looks great

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 Před 4 lety

    I'd really like to see more of these videos. Its exciting to see what surprises these guns hold.

  • @ericamchonephotographyandv9198

    I have an 1891 Argentine carbine with the full length stock. It doesn't have the screw to disconnect the magazine. It also doesn't have the the front sight guard. It also has the 2000 meter sights instead of the standard carbine.

  • @SolidSioux1987
    @SolidSioux1987 Před 4 lety

    This kind of stuff is why I love this channel, you're doing the lords work and we thank you for it.

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie Před 4 lety +1

    I like firearms that have a story. I own an 1898 Krag carbine that was chromed by a VFW post long ago. It doesn't have any collector value but I like to think about how many funerals and parades it participated in.

  • @lorenzogiani7190
    @lorenzogiani7190 Před 4 lety +2

    I SWEAR I was just thinking about the few argentinian weapons reviews you have, and THIS pops up! Nice

  • @ReadinessReviews
    @ReadinessReviews Před 4 lety

    I thought there was a little something extra to that rifle when you showed it in the other video. I've ran across one like that before at a show. Not really a looker but a cool Rifle regardless. Keep the great videos coming dude!

  • @myronalcock4716
    @myronalcock4716 Před 4 lety +6

    More "Adventures in Surplus" - may it become a thing!

  • @scooterdogg7580
    @scooterdogg7580 Před 4 lety +6

    lol had a sneaky suspicion when I saw it a lot of old footage shows chromed rifles used by drill/parade teams ,

  • @emoment1088
    @emoment1088 Před 4 lety

    I am definitely loving this new (mini?)series a lot. Hoping we get some.more of these videos.

  • @seamusoconaill8265
    @seamusoconaill8265 Před 4 lety

    I'm very much enjoying this little series. It would be cool to re-visit this type of content occasionally. I think it's also great content for people just beginning their collections.

  • @kylemichaels3373
    @kylemichaels3373 Před 4 lety

    I had one of these a few years back. Early Ludwig-Loewe production with the short handguard. Numbers matching with an intact crest. Chrome plating was practically perfect. I like you originally figured it was bubbas attempt to chrome plate a rifle until I started looking around online. Guys on milsurp forums argued with me until they were blue in the face that it couldn't have an intact crest because no Argentine mausers have an intact crest. At least not rifles, some carbines but rarely. After I showed them pics I was accused of showing a different rifle. I bought it for $300 and reloaded for it, it shot good and I sold it a bit later for $350.

  • @juliuspeperwood1128
    @juliuspeperwood1128 Před 4 lety +1

    This is why surplus is fun and not dead. So many different cool niches to dive into.

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 Před 3 lety

    I collect Argentine firearms. My 1891 is a tack driver. I took my 1879 Remington Rolling Block to the range today and shot .43 Spanish reloads. I had a blast.

  • @jorisvanoeffel4721
    @jorisvanoeffel4721 Před 4 lety +11

    Love this series

  • @rickdelve
    @rickdelve Před 4 lety +1

    Very interesting. Can't wait to hear about the other 2 guns from your lot...

  • @robertparshall6807
    @robertparshall6807 Před 4 lety

    This surplus rifle series is awesome, love the random history.

  • @tomhalla426
    @tomhalla426 Před 4 lety

    Ludwig Lowe and Mauser were interconnected quite early, and eventually both merged into DWM control. The Mauser brothers and the Lowe brothers had a business relationship from the start of Mauser's operations, with Lowe initially supplying the machine tools.

  • @bsmith3190
    @bsmith3190 Před 4 lety

    This was a really great video. A couple years ago I bought a lot of 1891 parts from eBay (had a plan didn’t work out), then this year as everything started going down a found and bought a 1891 that was only missing the magazine (which I of course had). But it sort of dismayed me when I got a wonderful blued rifle and had a chromed mag for it. And the chroming shows the same wear. I was actually really excited when you saw this at the auction I was hoping you’d explain what was going on.

  • @lancelotvt
    @lancelotvt Před 4 lety

    Century Arms is only about a 40 minute drive from my home in Hyde Park, VT. A few months ago I picked up a mid 70's all numbers matching mostly complete (minus sling) Yugo SKS from one of my local shops that was originally imported by Century Arms.

  • @karas3248
    @karas3248 Před 4 lety +1

    I humbly request 1 video a month in this fashion.

  • @caffeineau
    @caffeineau Před 4 lety

    The idea of it being a parade rifle makes a lot of sense, given the wear patterns.
    As a kid I was part of the Air Training Corps (AIRTC) in South Australia (Now the Air Cadets) in the early to mid 1990s, we did a lot of drill with SLR rifles (even well after the introduction of the F88 Austeyr), and boy did those thinge get beaten up. They were dropped, banged together and thoroughly abused during drill and parade training (as you'd expect when you hand a bunch to 12-19 year old kids a 5kg battle rifle).
    When it was time to do the proper parade, we'd put on white slings (and often bayonets) and clean them up a bit. The higher ranked cadets would often be issued one of the ceremonial swords that the AIRTC had as well. I remember we had a bunch of swords that were Queen Elizabeth era (gold plated brass hilt) and one older King George era sword (solid gold hilt) One of the cadets got into a lot of trouble for over-enthusiastically cleaning one of the gold plated swords, to the extent that a lot of the gold plating was actually removed.
    I still have a soft spot for the SLR, the drill with it looked a lot more elegant than with the austeyr (particularly rest on arms reversed, section 2.35 in the following document: 131acu.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/cadet-instructors-handbook-drill-303-and-slr.pdf). The Army cadets still (I think) often use the SMLE for their drill and parade displays.

  • @stephanl1983
    @stephanl1983 Před 4 lety

    The chrome on the right side looks heavily used because Argentinia used the Prussian Drill exerx8, the right hand grab below the bolt, while the left hand grab on the top of the rifle. So the handball is on the right side of the magazine, while the fingertips are on the left side. The left hand grabs just on the wood, so there is almost no indication of use on the top of the rifle.

  • @jiversteve
    @jiversteve Před 4 lety

    Excellent vid Ian.

  • @rickblinkco2223
    @rickblinkco2223 Před 4 lety +2

    When I was in the R.A.A.F our Sergeants mess had some Lee Enfield's that were chromed for the honor guard colours party. Don't know where they went after the base was closed.

  • @franklinscott6221
    @franklinscott6221 Před 4 lety

    Really digging this series.

  • @rdb8509
    @rdb8509 Před 4 lety

    Really like this type of content Ian. Keep it up please.

  • @austin_bennett
    @austin_bennett Před 4 lety

    I'm really enjoying this mini series; if you want to call it that; I'd love to see more of these videos.

  • @heavybreath
    @heavybreath Před 4 lety +5

    I have one of these - bought it 20 years ago Has the same chrome job. Barrel is kinda rough as used corrosive primed ammo
    My serial serial number starts with T series

  • @fragmentedmind549
    @fragmentedmind549 Před 4 lety

    As always I'm loving your videos. Keep up the great work.

  • @Razgriz85
    @Razgriz85 Před 4 lety

    I know someone whose father has an Argentine Mauser that looks like it came off the factory line. They only fired it fairly recently since ammo is now available.

  • @GeFlixes
    @GeFlixes Před 4 lety +2

    For some reason I like the style of blued finish with highly shiny small parts.

  • @derekheuring2984
    @derekheuring2984 Před 3 lety

    I have a very low numbered G prefix Model 1891 which still has the shorter handguard and brass tipped cleaning rod. It is in almost pristine condition other than a ding in the stock. How it survived 125 years of military service, surplus, shipping, and shooting in such amazing condition is a wonder unto itself. Collectors often find the national crest ground off of Argentine 1891 Mausers. This was done in the aftermath of the Chaco War of 1935, which pitted Bolivia and Paraguay against one another in a vicious albeit brief struggle for control of South America’s resource-rich Chaco Boreal. Argentina provided Paraguay with a large number of Model 1891 Mausers during the conflict in a move that jeopardized its relationship with Bolivia. The presence of unground national crests made it impossible to deny Argentina’s direct support for Paraguay, so after the war Argentina instituted a law requiring the removal of the national crest from any gun leaving the country. Although the government in Buenos Aires later dropped this requirement, by then most of the Argentine 1891 Mausers had been ground, and this accounts for why it is rare to find one with the crest intact.
    The Falklands War remains a sore subject in a country that is respectful of the men who survived the war and reverent of the men who did not. Their reverence is such that, on most days, an honor guard is posted at the Memorial to the Fallen at Plaza San Martín. Sometimes the members of this honor guard are from the Argentine Army and are armed with 19th Century Rolling Block rifles, but sometimes the members of the honor guard are from the Argentine Navy and they carry the rifle that transitioned the country from the 19th Century to the 20th-the Model 1891 Argentine Mauser which are chromed as the one in this video.

  • @David35445
    @David35445 Před 4 lety

    I hope you get some of these out to the range. Love to see them shoot.