Burgess 1878 Military Carbines: .45-70 Before Winchester

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    Andrew Burgess is an underappreciated arms designer, and his Model 1878 (aka the Whitney-Burgess-Morse) had the potential to be a very serious competition to Winchester. It was chambered for the .45-70 Government cartridge, and unlike the Winchester 1876 Burgess’ design could handle to power of that round. However, a series of misjudgements led to production ending after less than two years. The first problem was unreliability of the lifter mechanism as originally produced. This was a primary cause of the rifle failing the 1878 military repeating rifle trials, but Whitneyville had finalized the production tooling without waiting to see the trial results. Thus the first thousand or so guns shipped to customers tended to have double feeds. In addition, it was discovered that UMC cartridges had very sensitive primers that would detonate in the magazine tube with enough regularity to be a serious problem. This was addressed by UMC offering a special loading for the Burgess, but this was done only after the problem gained some publicity.
    The Burgess 1878 was offered as both a military carbine and a sporting rifle, and we have a pair of military carbines to show you today. One is a first model that loads from the top (extraordinarily rare) and the other is a third model with a bayonet lug (also extremely rare). The guns were initially offered in both top- and side-loading configurations, and the side-loading was so overwhelmingly preferred that virtually all the top-loaders were adapted to the side-loading pattern.
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Komentáře • 252

  • @dobypilgrim6160
    @dobypilgrim6160 Před 4 lety +351

    I once owned the rifle version. For about six hours. I bought it at a gun show, set it on my table, planning to take it home and shoot it. I'd paid $1500 for that rifle, and a few hours later a collector came up and offered $4500 for it. He took it home, lol. That was a really front heavy rifle. But very cool. Should have kept it, but I was young and about broke.

    • @ColeckZz
      @ColeckZz Před 4 lety +98

      If you have 1500 dollars to spend on a hobby you're not broke or you have a gaping hole in your hand haha

    • @davidreeding9176
      @davidreeding9176 Před 4 lety +107

      Dude was broke because he spent the 1,500$ lmao

    • @josephpacchetti5997
      @josephpacchetti5997 Před 4 lety +11

      @@ColeckZz I know Right!!

    • @dawsongranger4940
      @dawsongranger4940 Před 4 lety +35

      Jasper D it's called having poor financial management

    • @MrYfrank14
      @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety +43

      4 X your money in a few hours?
      I would have sold it, too.

  • @splunky6314
    @splunky6314 Před 4 lety +113

    Isn't this the same madlad who created that folding shotgun? Gotta respect this guy.

  • @oldesertguy9616
    @oldesertguy9616 Před 4 lety +86

    One of those "this close to being famous" guns.

  • @knate44
    @knate44 Před 4 lety +78

    For some reason, my mind instantly went to "Burgess does what Winchesdont". I hate my life.

  • @moosemaimer
    @moosemaimer Před 4 lety +196

    "I have this short rifle, but it's not _long_ enough..."
    "Why not put an entire sword on the end?"

    • @jochenreichl796
      @jochenreichl796 Před 4 lety +5

      That what they also did with the 1897 Shotguns. Very impressive.

    • @BrassCatcher
      @BrassCatcher Před 4 lety +4

      Modern problems require modern solutions!

    • @johnstacy7902
      @johnstacy7902 Před 4 lety +1

      might have come in Handy at Little Big Horn....

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 Před 4 lety +11

      @@BrassCatcher Not so modern a problem by 1878, around 1800 the British Army introduced the Baker rifle at the same time as they formed 'The Experimental Rifle Corps". The Baker rifle was a lot shorter than the standard Brown Bess musket, and riflemen were required to perform standard infantry tasks when not skirmishing so needed a long bayonet so their weapons would match the length of standard infantry ones when formed in square etc. Result was a 23 1/2 inch bayonet with a wrap around hand guard. Generally referred to as a sword bayonet. Result of this is that to this day the descendants of the original rifle regiments are not ordered to fix bayonets, they are ordered to fix swords.

    • @hybrid_grizzly
      @hybrid_grizzly Před 4 lety +1

      Jochen Reichl The “trench guns” didn’t have a unique bayonet, they used the bayonet from the Pattern 14 Enfield/M1917 rifle which was quite long since it was for a short rifle (by the standards of the day)

  • @InexorWoW
    @InexorWoW Před 4 lety +191

    I love how 45.70 government is still a powerhouse of a round today.

    • @vamsterr
      @vamsterr Před 4 lety +21

      Been upgraded by Smokeless powder too, Modern 45-70 uses way less powder for mimicking the performance of Black powder rounds(you can by Ballisticly similar modern 45-70 in smokeless to run in old black powder guns without blowing them up) but modern 45-70, especially the Magnum and +P apparently can see ballistics that are triple or more that of the original rounds ahaha (I just did some quick forum reading for this, Not got any real specific Data to share but it's around. google had a ton of hits comparing Black powder to Smokeless 45-70)

    • @InexorWoW
      @InexorWoW Před 4 lety +7

      @@vamsterr I imagine the case capacity can give a bit of room if you needed to use some thicker brass or less and slower burning powder to keep old black powder guns cleaner. I've considered picking up a modern 45.70 lever gun. Its a contest between 357 mag to match my revolver for woods/hunting purpose or just go big and jump on the thumping 45.70.

    • @vamsterr
      @vamsterr Před 4 lety +1

      @@InexorWoW wish I could offer advice but I have a spectator interest in firearms lol Australian. Not even sure you could get something in 45-70 here without a collectors permit haha

    • @TheWolfsnack
      @TheWolfsnack Před 4 lety

      Now to get a big ass bayonet for my GBL!

    • @SomeGunNerd
      @SomeGunNerd Před 4 lety +8

      @@vamsterr I've heard lever-action are allowed. Maybe you could get a Henry lever-action in 45-70?
      I do find it interesting that Australia, a continent where almost every bit of wildlife around wants to kill you, would ban guns. It seems like a bad idea.

  • @alltat
    @alltat Před 4 lety +124

    They should have marketed the exploding magazines as a feature that offsets the loading issues: if the gun jams you still have a secondary "barrel".

  • @hayessingerrunning4370
    @hayessingerrunning4370 Před 4 lety +25

    This guy definitely has the most interesting career to talk about at a party.

  • @tylorfox783
    @tylorfox783 Před 4 lety +11

    If you're ever in southern Utah, I have an 1881 Marlin-Burgess you can check out. In the time between posting this and now, I also have picked up a Colt Lightning 1877, and a Winchester 1907. So you’re always welcome down home.

  • @Murphy82nd
    @Murphy82nd Před 4 lety +12

    “Problems with Remington UMC ammo.”
    Some things never change.

  • @solquint2390
    @solquint2390 Před 4 lety +163

    .45-70, The only government you can trust.

  • @Garrumx
    @Garrumx Před 4 lety +14

    When demonstrating the lever on the first gun, it looks like it's as smooth as any Swiss gun ever made. Possibly optical illusion, but man it looked smooth.

  • @MarvinCZ
    @MarvinCZ Před 4 lety +28

    I expect the top loader was cheaper? Was there perhaps even a license fee paid for using the King's loading gate?

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins Před 4 lety +27

    it ain't an 1800s carbine if your knife is shorter than the gun it goes on

  • @JvS1711
    @JvS1711 Před 4 lety +31

    That bayonet makes me feel like buying some goldfish.

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 Před 4 lety +3

      Joost van Schijndel The snack that fires back

  • @Ledmetacdc
    @Ledmetacdc Před 4 lety +7

    It's interesting that in the 1870s Berdan priming was considered sensitive, and in modern times Berdan priming is the kind you can bury in a spam can and it'll still work 50 years later.
    Interesting tidbit about how technology changes over time.

  • @daveshrum1749
    @daveshrum1749 Před 4 lety +15

    It's an interesting mechanism. It jams, explodes possibly if you use it.. if it was French Ian would own three of them lol.

  • @Hawk1966
    @Hawk1966 Před 4 lety +32

    Did I miss something, I swear there was writing on the stock of one of these rifles. Did anyone else notice that?

    • @Erdanya
      @Erdanya Před 4 lety +4

      You're right, 1:00 in - It looks like 'Burgess Arm' and something else underneath.. but between the angle, glare and old cursive, I can't make out what that said. My mind wants to read the last part as 'Apex' but that could just be me..

    • @Hawk1966
      @Hawk1966 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Erdanya I'm honestly surprised Ian didn't mention it and show it to the camera. Kinda odd.

    • @MrYfrank14
      @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety +1

      I am going to guess it was added later by an owner and had nothing to do with the history of the gun, so Ian didn't mention it.

    • @Hawk1966
      @Hawk1966 Před 4 lety +4

      @@MrYfrank14 i dunno, it's part of the gun and therefore its history.

    • @MrYfrank14
      @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Hawk1966 - not if the last owner's 2 year old did it yesterday.
      Or if the first owner wrote his name on it.

  • @duster0669
    @duster0669 Před 2 lety +1

    The toggle link design is like the drag link on a retractable landing gear. The drag link and toggle link design are "over center" mechanisms. They lock the linkage in one direction and prevent movement of the mechanism until an actuator drives the over center device to the retract position. Or they lock the breach closed until the lever is racked. Over center device.

  • @Yuzral
    @Yuzral Před 4 lety +15

    You appear to have a bayonet that is fitted with a gun.

    • @MrYfrank14
      @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety +1

      carbine is a back up for the bayonet.

  • @Alinyan3
    @Alinyan3 Před 4 lety +14

    Those guns are just, beautiful.

    • @Hawk1966
      @Hawk1966 Před 4 lety +1

      The way the action opens is so very organic. It's like a living thing.

    • @MaBoomstick
      @MaBoomstick Před 4 lety

      Hawk 1966 what

    • @Hawk1966
      @Hawk1966 Před 4 lety +1

      @@MaBoomstick what what? The gun moves more like a living creature than a mechanical device. Weren't you watching?

  • @Codevil.
    @Codevil. Před 3 lety +1

    Almost 2M subscribers, way to go man!

  • @VeraTR909
    @VeraTR909 Před 4 lety +3

    The action opens so... elegant.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @lessharratt8719
    @lessharratt8719 Před 4 lety +4

    So it jams and then explodes. Wow, I want one.

  • @lukejolley8354
    @lukejolley8354 Před 4 lety

    This is the most interesting forgotten video in a while!

  • @AltrosNightLeaf
    @AltrosNightLeaf Před 4 lety +5

    I would absolutely love hearing Ian's thoughts on various fantasy firearms. Like the Bolters from 40K, or the MA5 from the Halo series

  • @robertrobert7924
    @robertrobert7924 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I worked in the Conservation Dept, NMAI, Smithsonian. They had a 3rd Model Burgess rifle attributed to Chief Joseph, Nez Pierce.

  • @Riazor1370
    @Riazor1370 Před 4 lety +5

    The previous Hall carbines also had a bayonets. That one is retractable or ramrod bayonet.

  • @iuploadherebecauseimnotbuy7236

    IAN do you have "many" lever actions in your collection? Do you have a favorite?

  • @wrxs1781
    @wrxs1781 Před 4 lety

    Excellent revue.

  • @RyeOnHam
    @RyeOnHam Před 4 lety +1

    That's patent 15,995 for George W. Morse.
    Burgess' patents are 134,589 for the 1873 patent and 168,966 for the 1875 patent. Interestingly, Burgess also had another patent issued on the same day as the 1875 patent that looks to be for a trap-door design where the door swings rearward and cocks the hammer while it moves back. That's patent 168,829

  • @291DMR
    @291DMR Před 4 lety +73

    Wish they made reproduction rifles of these

    • @dredlord47
      @dredlord47 Před 4 lety +3

      I'd still rather have an M1886 Winchester Repeating Musket, but one that has a Yatagan saber bayonet instead of the spike bayonet that they originally came with.

    • @donpaterson4476
      @donpaterson4476 Před 4 lety +3

      Looks better than a Henry

    • @ionchaos5247
      @ionchaos5247 Před 4 lety +2

      I would love to own one that can shoot modern 45-70

    • @ifitsfreeitsforme1852
      @ifitsfreeitsforme1852 Před 3 lety

      @@FranzAntonMesmer There is a modern replica of the Colt Burgess , but it's designed for pistol cartridges such as .44-40. It's not quite the same as the Burgess or the Kennedy

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker Před 4 lety +6

    oh man that pretty bayonet...

  • @LeonM4c
    @LeonM4c Před 4 lety +7

    Man, there's something just so appealing about these older firearms. The wooden furniture, the subtle shine of the bare metal, the mechanics are fascinating also.
    I know modern weapons are superior in terms of function and quality, but I just LOVE these clever actions, bolt actions...early firearms design is just so rad.

  • @deadhorse3389
    @deadhorse3389 Před 4 lety +2

    Beautiful Rifles!

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 Před 4 lety +1

    Nice. Didn't know much about these. Had they gotten the feed system right, the US Army might have had repeaters starting about 1880. That would have been handy in the later Indian wars. Service time would not have been long, assuming they still adopt the Krag in 1892, but it would have been interesting. Burgess could have seriously outdone Winchester, as you mentioned. Great video as always. Thank you

  • @monkeyship74401
    @monkeyship74401 Před 4 lety

    There are days that I wish I had the money to collect some of these. Ian just keeps taunting me with rare and unique firearms. Thank you!

  • @ANonymous-bh1un
    @ANonymous-bh1un Před 4 lety +9

    You had me at "Burgess". You said that the gun handled very well, but the lever action looked kind of clunky while you were opening and closing it. If it had a proper hand-loop on the lever, how smooth would it be to work compared to the 1873?

    • @ifitsfreeitsforme1852
      @ifitsfreeitsforme1852 Před 3 lety +1

      These have a very long lever throw and with the serpentine lever can be a strain on your fingers depending on how you hold it. They did away with the serpentine lever early in the Kennedy series.

  • @RalphReagan
    @RalphReagan Před 4 lety +2

    So beautiful!

  • @alfulton5946
    @alfulton5946 Před 3 lety

    This guy is just awesome. He invented some awesome guns

  • @DuaneThomas1963
    @DuaneThomas1963 Před 2 lety +1

    I kept waiting for the promised story of the personality conflicts between Burgess and Whitney, and how that affected the rifle's fortunes. Sadly, it never showed up. :(

  • @toomanyuserids
    @toomanyuserids Před 4 lety +10

    Social Distancing Bayonet.

  • @andrewbear1057
    @andrewbear1057 Před 4 lety +6

    What does the carving on the stock (at 1:02 ) say? Burgess ... something?

  • @jasonz7788
    @jasonz7788 Před rokem

    Awesome thanks

  • @Skenderbeuismyhero
    @Skenderbeuismyhero Před 4 lety +18

    I've never heard Burgess pronounced that way, my family has always stressed the first syllable.

    • @alanfhall6450
      @alanfhall6450 Před 4 lety +5

      I don't know if its an 'Americanism' but one of my (British) colleagues also suffered his name being pronounced like that by our NYC office ...

    • @winfieldjohnson125
      @winfieldjohnson125 Před 4 lety

      @@alanfhall6450 Maybe Ian is Canadian?

    • @warshipsatin8764
      @warshipsatin8764 Před 3 lety

      @@alanfhall6450 the same name can be pronounced differently depending on the family. it doesnt really matter though, its such a minor thing

  • @alexdemoya2119
    @alexdemoya2119 Před 4 lety

    Reminds me of the mad dash to get militaries across the world a semiautomatic rifle in the early 20th century.

  • @JRock3091
    @JRock3091 Před 4 lety +3

    Flannel Daddy & Gun Jesus in the same hour...... oh yeah

  • @danielmccoy8875
    @danielmccoy8875 Před 3 lety

    What a beautiful set of rifles,in 45/70 to boot

  • @harrisoncasey6704
    @harrisoncasey6704 Před 4 lety

    I love this guy

  • @hamishfeltham3224
    @hamishfeltham3224 Před 4 lety +1

    Hey Ian you should look into the RMB93 shotgun. It's a wierd russian pump action shotgun that feeds from the top like a Neostead. Just thought it would be something you could be interested in

  • @ifitsfreeitsforme1852
    @ifitsfreeitsforme1852 Před 3 lety

    If you want a comprehensive study of the Burgess lever action legacy, find a copy of Lever Action Magazine Rifles by Maxwell. Not easy to find and not cheap , but a gold mine of information.
    Another good reference and probably easier to find is a book recently published by Dale Olsen : "The Burgess Long Range Repeating Rifle, Model 1878"

  • @jerryjohnsonii4181
    @jerryjohnsonii4181 Před 4 lety

    Very Cool carbine , just wish that they still made them now. I would definitely buy one !!!!!!!

  • @tremendousmoss
    @tremendousmoss Před 3 lety

    you didn't mention the trap door on the buttstock? was that a later or earlier addition? Mine doesn't have a rear sight like that... it's more of a spring/low/flush rear sight. I'm assuming I've got a civilian "sporting" version

  • @williamphelps5047
    @williamphelps5047 Před 4 lety +2

    is it just me or did the bayonet installation sound like a bolt closing on an ar15

  • @tangero3462
    @tangero3462 Před 4 lety +2

    Watching that lever retract out was nothing short of a clown act and I can't stop chuckling

  • @renegadenaffy
    @renegadenaffy Před 4 lety +5

    Hey Ian, in one of your previous videos you implied that using match heads instead of black powder was a really bad idea, well that got in interested and I came across a video on ammo channel where he used match head in a 38 special. Could you do a video on this topic ??? Please keep up the fantastic work

    • @boymahina123
      @boymahina123 Před 4 lety +6

      Afaik match heads have some potassium chlorate which becomes corrosive when burned

    • @replicators
      @replicators Před 4 lety +1

      He mentioned that in the Confiscated Homemade Poachers' Guns from Zimbabwe video at about 1:20-1:33. He describes it as "an easy way to blow up a firearm." No explanation as to why.

  • @chriszenier826
    @chriszenier826 Před 4 lety +2

    Ian, what was written on the stock?

  • @tremendousmoss
    @tremendousmoss Před 3 lety

    I've got a G.W. Morse serial 905 but it's in bad condition... pitting on outside of barrel and magazine tube and broken stock. markings are readable though! action is fully functional and barrel seems to be okay. been rubbing oil into it off and on over the years but has stopped showing signs of improvement. Wondering what I should do with it. Anything would help thanks @forgottenweapons

  • @tamlandipper29
    @tamlandipper29 Před 4 lety +3

    Probably a dumb question, but couldn't you avoid centerfire magazine detonation by using hollowpoint ammunition?

    • @donpaterson4476
      @donpaterson4476 Před 4 lety

      Better still the spiral magazine on the early Remington model 12 pump action rifle designed by Pederson

    • @ifitsfreeitsforme1852
      @ifitsfreeitsforme1852 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, of course. But keep in mind, we're talking 1870s and the 45-70 cartridge was relatively new. Back then hollow point ammo was not all that common. Flat point bullets were developed pretty much for use in lever action repeaters to avoid the detonation problem. Once more rifles were developed to handle the big 45's , companies like Winchester offered a variety of loadings that included hollow point or "express" bullets.

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear Před 4 lety +2

    very cool

  • @evandotterer4365
    @evandotterer4365 Před 4 lety

    It be really interesting to see how well this gun shoots and operates compared to a evenly matched model Winchester. I am astonished these were not extremely popular.

  • @gawkycolt273
    @gawkycolt273 Před 4 lety +1

    For Sparring and shooting your enemies

  • @deadsweetheart1
    @deadsweetheart1 Před 4 lety

    Question was it actually in 45/70 or 45/70 carbine which actually had same case but only 60 grains of powder

  • @ijduadfs3690
    @ijduadfs3690 Před 4 lety +3

    You kinda left us hanging with the Mors story. Did he won the lawsuit?

    • @MrYfrank14
      @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety

      I would have expected the government to say the patent was seized as an act of war.
      now get lost.

  • @JustTriggy
    @JustTriggy Před 4 lety

    Does He (Ian McMullen) have an FFL?? If so what type, because he seems to have weapons shipped straight to him?

  • @knate44
    @knate44 Před 4 lety

    Does anyone know if Whitneyville armory did something similar with the polishing of their own proofmarks on their other guns? I have a Whitney 32RF pistol that has the markings so fair I need a hand lens to clearly see it.

  • @nahnahahaah6265
    @nahnahahaah6265 Před 4 lety +1

    I imagine this would have been quite popular with the soldiers. If the kinks had been worked out that is.

  • @amirazhar8377
    @amirazhar8377 Před 4 lety +4

    A repeating Gun then put a long ass saber...
    Can't get any better than dat

  • @Gpower441
    @Gpower441 Před 4 lety +1

    It's kind of fun nearly all American celebrity or inventor have some involvement in firearms.

  • @adonoghuea02
    @adonoghuea02 Před 4 lety +16

    Karl going to pick one of these up?

    • @Devin_Stromgren
      @Devin_Stromgren Před 4 lety

      That's what I was wondering.

    • @InrangeTv
      @InrangeTv Před 4 lety +4

      I wish!

    • @InrangeTv
      @InrangeTv Před 4 lety +4

      Ouch.. "Estimated Price: $6,500.00 - $9,500.00".

    • @adonoghuea02
      @adonoghuea02 Před 4 lety +1

      @@InrangeTv I mean, if I could afford it... I'd buy it for myself, that looks like a really interesting lever action, sorry Karl...

    • @Devin_Stromgren
      @Devin_Stromgren Před 4 lety

      @@InrangeTv So between a 76 or one of these, which would you have gone with in a combat scenario?

  • @scottydouglass1892
    @scottydouglass1892 Před 4 lety

    How about the marlin .45-70 rifles?

  • @1978garfield
    @1978garfield Před 4 lety

    Anyone else get so engrossed in the videos that you forget to hit the thumbs up?
    I try to remember and hit it before I start the video but sometimes I forget.
    CZcams needs an auto thumbs up option.
    It seems rushing a gun to market before it is ready is the one constant in the firearm industry.
    A great idea that almost works is not a great product.
    Test, retest and test again.
    So many things have gone wrong moving from the prototype to mass production.
    You would have thought Whitney of all people would have understood that.

  • @TheMandalp
    @TheMandalp Před 4 lety

    hey ian can i order you book to germany ? i want to buy it but i'm not sure if i can order it from germany ?

  • @danielburgess7785
    @danielburgess7785 Před 4 lety +2

    Bur' jes. First syllable gets the emphasis.

  • @tberkoff
    @tberkoff Před 4 lety +6

    I always pronounced it "BER-jis."

    • @deadflowers7017
      @deadflowers7017 Před 4 lety +1

      Well stop it.

    • @canlungdoc
      @canlungdoc Před 4 lety +1

      So did I (in general, not for this guy), and I am married to a Burgess.

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 Před 4 lety

    *immediately searches history between Whitney and Burgess

  • @langanjoseph
    @langanjoseph Před 4 lety

    Fun fact, every time Ian says patina, Mark Novak mutters "it's deferred maintenance" for no reason whatsoever

  • @codien-a2217
    @codien-a2217 Před 3 lety +1

    i own one of each burgess gun i got them from passing them down in the family and my lastnames burgess

  • @anthonysmalawipredators8794

    This gives me hope the my universal m1 will be worth its weight in gold some day xD

  • @kenny344
    @kenny344 Před 4 lety +2

    What's the most expensive gun Ian has handled?

    • @offdeadeye88
      @offdeadeye88 Před 4 lety +1

      Fg42? The Kings lorezini? Perhaps the confederate sniper?

    • @justinmoe3171
      @justinmoe3171 Před rokem

      @@offdeadeye88I’d say Colt Walker

  • @beavisbutt-headson3223

    Why would anyone think the top-loading version would possibly be more popular? Not only do you gotta have the action open but the magazine is also WAAAAAY down there. The type butterfingered like me would constantly mess it up and have loose rounds lying around the wrong way down in the action. And even if you didn't struggle with that I claim it would be really slow. Loading from the bottom on an open action I could maybe see. You'd have the loading lever kind of in the way but that might not be quite as bad as having to stick almost the full length of your finger in the top while holding a round between your tips and pushing it in the right hole (context, people!)
    Long story short: As @marvincz, I think it must've been some way of saving money/avoiding patent infringement; otherwise I can't see anybody reasonably coming to that conclusion

  • @kisukek1294
    @kisukek1294 Před 4 lety +3

    勉強になるよ

  • @LifeisGood762
    @LifeisGood762 Před 4 lety

    Seems to be a case of the customer not always being right. Should have stuck to the top loader.

  • @556bc
    @556bc Před 4 lety +2

    So Remington UMC was just as bad in 19th century as it is in the 21st.

  • @MrYfrank14
    @MrYfrank14 Před 4 lety

    that bayonet on the carbine has to be the most ridiculous thing I ever saw and it must be awkward to carry and shoot the carbine. but, I would still love to have it.
    a spear wth a carbine back up.

    • @markreeter6227
      @markreeter6227 Před 4 lety

      Stabbing at enemy on foot from horseback requires a longer bayonet. Cavalry typically did not fix bayonets until actually charging into melee where rifle was just used as spear. Revolver was used instead as melee firearm.

  • @alancrews2066
    @alancrews2066 Před 4 lety +1

    How is a saddle ring used?

    • @samhansen9771
      @samhansen9771 Před 4 lety

      Well, it was a carbine, therefore used by mounted troops.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 Před 4 lety +3

      It's the attachment point for the single point sling used by cavalry when dismounted.

  • @vingadoor1136
    @vingadoor1136 Před 4 lety

    So faltou a legenda em PT BR.... (Only the Portuguese subtitles were missing.)

  • @chiefduu6657
    @chiefduu6657 Před 4 lety

    Is the Evan's repeater from red dead 2 based off this weapon?

    • @TheMandalp
      @TheMandalp Před 4 lety

      no there is a evens repeater google it was another repeater

  • @Zretgul_timerunner
    @Zretgul_timerunner Před 4 lety

    So its a sword you buy with an extra gun attached.

  • @dylanhayden8825
    @dylanhayden8825 Před 4 lety

    Hmm, people only wanted the side loading version? Henry are you listening???

  • @alswann2702
    @alswann2702 Před 4 lety

    Where did he the idea the cavalry needed bayonets on top of swords? Did he think we needed lancers?

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 Před 4 lety

      Military and Logic don't mate.

  • @OriginalEric
    @OriginalEric Před 4 lety

    3:58 o.O

  • @letsplaybarrysmod5815
    @letsplaybarrysmod5815 Před 4 lety +1

    Weapons are one thing for us to do it you don't go to work cause of the virus just clean ur guns go planting in ur back of front yard work out play with ur kids if you have any and you should play with ur brothers these you can do at home!

  • @finnmcool2
    @finnmcool2 Před 3 lety

    Blowing fingers off of your customers isn't something a gun manufacturer is going to survive.

  • @mariodragoja1318
    @mariodragoja1318 Před 4 lety +2

    Can you rewiev Croatian APS-95 assault rifle?

  • @EvanJones-jz9np
    @EvanJones-jz9np Před 4 lety +2

    Great fuel for my all-nighter fire

  • @jonkerr7959
    @jonkerr7959 Před 4 lety +24

    is it the same Burgess who made the folding shot guns?

  • @Dave-tw9ib
    @Dave-tw9ib Před 4 lety

    what is a saddle ring ?

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 Před 4 lety

      That's the attachment point for a single point sling, and it's unique to cavalry guns.

  • @ther6sshieldmain937
    @ther6sshieldmain937 Před 4 lety

    That’s legit, I wanna see some lever *actions* in *action*.. pun intended