Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 4K Blu-ray HDR Analysis [SPOILERS]
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- We analyse the HDR presentation on the 4K Blu-ray of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story using the award-winning HDR toolkit on the Canon DP-V3120 4K HDR reference monitor, and found peak brightness reaching 1400 nits, as well as wide colour gamut exceeding Rec.709.
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Warning: This video contains spoilers for Rogue One.
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Faster than an eMail from a Nigerian Prince..... BAHAHAHHAHAHA
Other countries have gone to war over such acts of assassination.
I didn't get it 😂😂
@@Lasse3 There is a huge ongoing email scam about some Nigerian Price that will send you money if you send him some money to help him somehow and he will repay you later, it has become somewhat of a meme at this point.
Hi Vincent. Can you analyze some Disney + content for HDR? Maybe a head to head disc vs. stream?
Ooh yes disc vs stream would be interesting!
Yeah I'd love a comparison between the Dolby Vision stream and HDR10 disc
Yes this is what I want the most! And probably a huge amount of others too.
Just got my 4k TV the other day. Disney + was my first stop and I was not disappointed.
He did it when Disney+ first came out czcams.com/video/VGZmMjPJiAk/video.html and one for the Mandalorian as well.
I can't wait for you to check out the 4KHDR Lord of the Rings remastered editions in the future
Have they been announced??
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
When are they coming?
@@ManishKumar-ue1wm, in the USA the release is slated for either November or December, not sure about Europe, but oddly enough, Zavvi UK sold out on both the 4K Hobbit and LOTR trilogies in the steelbook format, and they weren't pre-orders because some of the public reviews for th products complained that they went on to eBay for double the price.
Can you review the John Wick series for HDR performance? Especially since the first two are in HDR 10 and the 3rd is in Dolby Vision.
DV can't save the atrocious third movie.
@@SagaciousFrank 3 is my least favorite but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it atrocious. To each his own I suppose.
@@brodelicious, the first two are ridiculous, high octane, over-the-top, action movies. Somehow the third goes way past this, and not in a good way. But like you said, to each their own!
The opening of Baby Driver is pretty fantastic
*talks about how much he loves the opening to The Dark Knight*
Wow Vincent actually likes movies. I thought he just loved TVs.
When I got my first 4K TV (a Samsung QN49Q70R) I had lots of 4K titles to choose from in my library. But after popping in more than two dozen, I settled on the opening to Dark Knight (the IMAX scene). For some reason, and I didnt know it at the time, it just fascinated me and drew my attention more than any film in my collection. So I'm glad to see Vincent agree, its an outstanding opening sequence to test HDR when evaluating a new TV.
Most movies from the Christopher Nolan's 4K collection are demo material. Only Batman Begins, Inception and The Prestige don't have any IMAX scenes. The HDR is still pretty great, but the much rougher grain kinda "ruins" the definition. The IMAX scenes on any of the other movies is basically a 10/10 picture. Such a fine grain, it feels almost invisible but it's still there to give the picture a "movie" feel. The HDR, even though it's all just in HDR10, is the best use of it I've seen.
The only thing that bugs me a little bit is that Nolan seem to be allergic to the color black. I couldn't find a single scene in any of these movies that had purely black background (maybe apart from the space scenes in Interstellar, don't quite remember). There's always a color to the dark backgrounds.
I use 2 scenes from The Dark Knight Rises to demo my LG C9, one where Batman first meets Bane. The HDR really shows there because they are in dark sewers but Bane's face is lit and the contrast between his lit face and the background is really good but the background is never pure black. Always different hues of blue, gray and even brown. The second scene is at the stadium where Bane gives his speech. There's so much yellow in that scene which pops out of the screen. Also Bane's brown coat looks really great.
Love the information and the personality. Great channel here.
Thanks Vincent for another high quality analysis.
I'd love to know how the HDR on the Daniel Craig Bond movies stack up. Especially since you use Skyfall in your videos all the time.
And the opening scene from 'A quantum of solace' is a great test run for a sound system.
This is one of my favourite recent Movies. Whether it had passed the test or not, it still looks fantastic on my OLED.
Favourite Movie Opening Sequences? Blade Runner, Star Wars A New Hope, And Close Encounters. Doubt they would be any good for Calibration, though!
Oh & I absolutely Loved the Nigerian Prince joke 😊
Great review. Keep up the great work!
Nice to hear this excellent movie was given a solid HDR treatment. Good job Vincent! 👍🙏
Another great one Vincent!
Thank you for the analysis Vincent. I am looking forward to another one
Not only does it have bright highlights, but it does so without raising the brightness of everything else. I think that's an important point to note in these videos. A movie like Aquaman will have bright highlights but everything in the scene has been brightened significantly, meaning you don't really add much to the dynamic range. While here, shadows and midtones are relatively in line with their SDR levels making those bright highlights really pop out.
That being said while watching this I did note that there were some areas where black levels were slightly raised which is not a good thing for HDR. I would recommend checking out The Force Awakens if you haven't as that HDR beats this imo. Rise of Skywalker also performs very well but not quite as well as Rogue One imo.
SOLO and The Last Jedi have garbage HDR.
Exactly. _The Last Jedi_ must be one of the worst studio movies in regards to raised blacks/haze... Frustrating. While _The Force Awakens_ and _Rise of Skywalker_ fortunately have amazing blacks.
I realize I'm quite randomly asking but do anyone know of a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?
@@austinedgar7462 hulu
I mean... anything released after Rogue One isn't worth watching anyway
4:52 Love Vincent's smile:)
Thank you Vincent. Great review. I have a question for you, could you look into the bestt picture modes to watch a 4K bluray? In my experience without a calibrated TV (lg EI) the game mode looks better than any other preset. What do you think? Hope this makes sense to you. Thank you. Marco
THanks for the review. Now, what commercially available displays would be able to use those nits fully? If, as an example, OLED caps to 150 nits, what options are there?
Fantastic analysis! I'm glad I just picked up this title. I also just scared myself by looking up what that Canon reference monitor sells for. 🙂
Thanks so much vincent. Does the Disney+ app Dolby Vision also give the same performance?
Very nice. Does any scene exceed 1000 nits though?
Even before I start watching, I like the video. Vincent never disappoints.
HDTV Test, one of my favourite opening sequences is Edge of Tomorrow's first 60 seconds. ~27 seconds in, REAL subwoofers (>85 dBA @ 18 Hz) absolutely rattle and smash the room like no other movie. A must listen if you have a home theatre!
Hi Vincent. Great video. Its worth knowing how this stacks up on 4k. I have The Force Awaken on 4k and it seems to be the better looking one out of the new trilogy, it actually looks pretty impressive over what used to be a good looking blu ray. I wondered if you could test this one out at some point.
Cheers
Does this analysis also apply to the version on Disney+ streaming service?
I'd like to know how your analysis' relates to HDR streaming for those movies? So I've got Dark Knight trilogy on Apple TV. Would I get same results on my Samsung Q90R? What about star wars movies on Disney+? Do they have same HDR grading as Blu Rays?
i watched this again. the fire in the explosions was beautiful
How long until you finish your review on the Vizio Oled tv?
Did you actually cover HDR of The Dark Knight?
So studios will now put a big fat "TRUE HDR" sticker on 4K boxes.
I love the opening to Guardians of the Galaxy 2, maybe you should hdr analyze this next.
I’ve been curious if there are any remastered films, that were not shot or originally mastered digitally, that take advantage of HDR. Curiosities include 2001: A Space Odyssey, Alien and Close Encounters
The only decent Disney Star Wars
Yeah. The rest are trash.
it's not just decent. it was pretty amazing to be honest.
How do these HDR levels compare to something like watching the same movie via an AppleTV?
Would be nice to know how the stream on Disney+ compares to the disc.
Can you do an HDR analysis of the 4K Blu-rays of the original Star Wars trilogy to see if they used the same fake HDR masters that were used on Disney+?
This is actually something I think a lot of people would want to know.
You can already check these shortcomings in their 4K reviews on blu-ray.com.
I've always thought this movie was one of the best looking movies of all time, this is probably a big reason.
Please analyse the Ghost in the Shell 4K (anime) movie. Keep up the great work!!
Vincent
BestBuy is selling A8H FOR THE SAME PRICE AS A9G. WHICH SHOULD I PURCHASE?
Yes love the dark knight opener. Excellent work of black level through out the movie too. Not to mention some IMAX footage.
I have a LG C9 and that scene at 2:20 in your video of the spacecraft flying without TruMotion it is stuttering a bit but when I enable TruMotion even by 1, it shows funny ghosting like in your video. What is the best setting to get that smoothed out without artifacts?
realcinema enabled?
@@ciukacz Check out Darko's settings, for the 9's (I have a B9) - that has given me the best balance
@@ciukacz Yes, it is On.
Fave opening scene...
Blade; great pacing with the girl leading the excited guy to the bar psyched for a good time, arrives to "Bloodbath" and gradually becoming more confused with what he's seeing and experiencing by the second, until the reveal of his date actually being a Vampire with "What's wrong, baby?" and his panic reaches boiling point.
Guy beaten and kicked all while trying to claw and crawl his way out until arriving at the feet of Blade bringing a "bloodwave" with the guy, followed by Blade proceeding to remind them why he is the Daywalker!
All the while backed by a thumping techno soundtrack, going on to punctuate Blade's every action from that moment on, climaxing with an encounter with Frost's "right~hand man".
They did not.. know.. whoo they were FUCKING WITH!
I would like to know how the HDR stacks up on places like Disney+ Amazon and Netflix compared to the disc version? Things like dolby vision streaming version Vs disc HDR 10? It's a big ask but maybe for the very best versions, so we can show off the TV's we bought for to your reviews 😂👍
Hi @vincent can you please review optoma UHD50X and epson ew-th 7100/hc 3800 projectors.
I love this movie so much, no matter it’s a true HDR or not. But I’m glad it is.
yes, its the best SW movie in years, i love it even more than originals 1-6, blame me ((((
@@helldiego this is my favorite Star wars movie as well.
@@helldiego me too! of course the first trilogy is where all started, but I have to say Rogue One is my favorite, it's really everything Star Wars is. imo CGI Tarkin is the only flaw though, 3D is just not there yet...
can someone tell me if the Disney+ version is the same as this, with the same HDR treatment?
Thanks Vincent.
Try the using the opening scene from the first fast and furious movie, quite dark and bright green neons and street lights 👍🏻👌🏻
I love the Valerian opening scene.
I wonder how the HDR presentation of the 4K bluray compares to the Disney+ streaming version. Both are HDR, but I wonder how much impact the compression has on the picture quality.
It’s hard to judge from the false color presentation, but it looks like there’s a really harsh roll off on the highlights with how isolated those high nit areas of those shots appear. They even seem to flicker around wildly from frame to frame in some instances.
I was watching pacific rim uprising last night, started messing around to see if it did pop more than the sdr version, i put a couple of scenes on from the 4k hdr version on xbox one s and put the normal blu ray in my ps4 pro and compared scenes and still images. I have my sdr movie mode set as close to 100 nits as i can get and other brightness/contrast and colour settings setup using spears and munsil disc. Jumping from one source to another quite clearly showed (to me anyway) that this film is a defo true hdr master, i will be shocked if its not. When doing the same with Blade Runner 2049, it did not have the jump in quality and could tell its hdr was flat. Give it a go 👍
any chance you can go back over disney+ to see if they fixed their fake hdr?
Most of their hdr10 are fake. The one with Dolby visions are the the true one.
Once Upon a Time in the West is hard to beat for an opening scene
Is disney plus also the same as the disk?
Lol love the thumbnail Rogue one: A true hdr story.
I really like the opening scene in Star Wars Ep 3. With the space battle. Definitely not the best of all time, but I recently saw it again and really liked it.
Best opening scene is from quantum of solace
Hi Vincent, I had the pleasure of your company a few years ago when you travelled from Manchester to calibrate my sony tv, hope you are keeping well, and after all this coronavirus madness has ended you could calibrate my new TV when I change to another one. Probably a oled from LG, or Sony.
my favorite opening in a movie at least recently is Tenet.
Fav openings are almost all the Mission Impossible movies
Raiders of the Lost Ark has the best opening ever. In my opinion. SO GREAT.
I get that the brightness was good but imo they could of done so much more with the color yes it was natural but almost flat imo in many areas and I'm like this is a movie that should have some serious color idk yeah sure the movie was bright but there was so much more they could of done lol
Best opening scene ever: original Star Wars 1977.
Hmm, I don't know? Have you seen "The 40 Year Old Virgin"?
I would be very interested in seeing a test of he UHD version of Game of Thrones. I already own season 1 and 8 in UHD. It seems HBO is going to release all seasons in UHD. Even though it was not filmed in 4K, I still notice differences in dynamic range, but without equipment to measure this I am not sure if this can be considered as UHD, so I would be very gratefull if you would care to have a look a it.
The 4k version has a full screen option? No zoom, a real full screen version
portable para pc usb 4k HDR ?
X-Men apocalypse opening best audio
One of my favorite opening scenes ever is from Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. The movie itself isn't so hot, but the opening is so good.
I love that movie warts and all and truly one of the more positive opening sequences for any sci-fi movie.
Well from the graphs it looks like they clip/compress it to max out at 1000 nits. Which is still sad to see that they feel the need for it and not allow the data to go as high as they can.
Can you analyze HDR of "Spider-man: Far From Home" Vincent?
Can't believe the best Disney's Star Wars movie is also the best one in terms of HDR, it shows you how they really gave more artistic freedom to the team on every aspect of this movie compared to on the actual trilogy!
Can you review the Star Trek films
My favorite star wars movie!
LOTR and HOBBIT 4K UHD review in December
The way of the gun is or should be on the best opening scene list
Could you look at into the spider verse, it was one of the best looking movies I've seen on my oled.
Having them all die at the end was a great way to explaIn why none of these characters appeared in the original trilogy (A New Hope/Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi). But, yeah, it was a sad ending but a very brave one for a Star Wars movie IMO.
My LG C9 can only display less than 800 nits. How does this TV handle brightness levels beyond its capacity to display? Does it analyse the scene and drop the brightness, or just display blown out highlights?
www.avsforum.com/threads/lg-oled-2019-pq-curve-upload-free-template-for-devicecontrol-interface.3088376/
LG OLED TVs handle brightness beyond the panel's capabilities through "tone mapping". In the picture menu settings, try testing a bright HDR movie scene with enabling and disabling "dynamic tone mapping". Tone mapping should preserve peak brightness details which the TV doesn't natively support.
@@MrPancrasio007 thanks, I will look into that 👍🏾 Do you leave it on all the time or only when the presentation is too dark? Does it play well with DVision? Do I need to know how the movie was mastered in irder to chose when to turn it on or not?
@@MrDunk66 I'm not a TV expert as Vincent is, but in my experience, I leave "Dynamic TM" on with HDR content since it retains peak brightness details though it does crush shadow detail a little bit. At night-time viewing, it isn't a big deal in my opinion to enable it.
Tone Mapping techniques are far from perfect but on OLEDs I think it helps. Both C9/E9 models have a feature called AutoCal where users, with the help of CalMan's software and its meter (sold separately), can calibrate different accurate Tone Mapping curves for different content. It allows the TV-sets to correctly follow "tone curves" with content mastered at either 1,000, 4,000, and 10,000 nits accurately. It's basically a DIY calibration having the proper equipment. This is the best-case scenario; otherwise, "Dynamic TM" is the built-in solution.
700/750 nits of peak brightness is the maximum luminance value the C9 can do in a 10% window. This means, if you send an HDR image with light sources within 10% of screen areas, you will get 700 nits, assuming those lights are mastered beyond-700 nits. On a 100% screen size window, those lights would drop at around 150/200 nits in HDR. That's how HDR performance generally works on LG OLEDs.
What I recommend is for you to do your own testings. See if HDR10 and Dolby Vision behave differently with Dynamic Tone Mapping on and off. See if you like the image. There's no correct answer. With TM disabled, the TV just rolls off the 800 nits information and will most likely clip/blow-out those highlights.
@@MrPancrasio007 Matias, really appreciate your reply. I still find the setup somewhat confusing but love the TV, and like the rest of us watching this channel, want a great viewing experience (or at least getting the best out of the TV). I think you are right, I need to try things out and take the time to do a bit of experimentation. I have used the WOW disc to calibrate the screen by eye but not prepared to buy any more equipment (I already have a device for my photo editing monitor, but that is no use). I think I would generally like DTM to preserve shadow detail and ket the extreme highlight blow out, opposite to what I migh want with my photography, depending on the subject of course.. No thanks to Vincent, I just bought the 4K UHD Star Wars movies so will have good material to work with 😀👍
Good to know this has a good HDR presentation. It's the only Star Wars movie since the original trilogy that I really liked, and I still consider it probably 3rd place out of all the Star Wars movies released.
true this movie was actually the best
2nd best after Episode 4. Episode 5 “Empire” is way overrated.
My fav opening is the watchmen, a dc classic
No. 1 Movie
I knew it rogue one was kind of special in terms of picture quality. It just popped more then the rest of SW.
Can you not flip the video left to right to fool the auto copyright algorithms? I've seen other CZcamsrs do this with Nintendo videos to avoid copyright strikes.
You need to get on new releases Vinny like 300, Whiplash, BttF Trilogy.
Please do Aquaman
Rogue One was so good
Vincent! Cx oled. Helped me make my decision of 55 lg oled its incredible! Thanks!
best intro : 1 : The Lion King / 2 : Up / 3 : The Matrix
STARSHIP TROOPERS NEXT
si graba HDR ser ver todo bien
Force is strong with this one.
Great HDR presentation, shame about the movie itself...
Can you review the HDR of Spider-man: Far From Home
Arrival for hdr review
On Disney+ Rogue One is still the only Star Wars movie just in 1080p without HDR 😟
He got jokes.
hello everyone
alternatively, if you want actual depth watch the 3D bluray on OLED, still better than any HDR presentation...imho
ATMOUSE!