Camera HDMI Settings Guide & Known Issues [Incl. 4K Bugs on Sony]
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Video guide to configuring HDMI settings on a hybrid camera including clean 4K ouput, external recording, HDMI Info. Display, & Sony's face detect AF bug.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Why We're Using the Sony a7 III for the Demo = Bad HDMI
1:22 - Basic Setup for External Monitoring & Recording over HDMI
1:37 - Best HDMI Cable for the Sony a7 III
1:53 - Configure Resolution, Frame Rate, & Codec
2:31 - Explaining the Common Items Found in HDMI Settings
3:23 - Configuring the Time Code & Recording Control
4:28 - The First Issue: HDMI Info. Display Disables LCD Screen
5:53 - Why This Is a Big Problem for Streaming & Presentations
6:26 - How an External Monitor like the Atomos Ninja V Solves This
7:00 - Issue #2: No HDMI Info. Display over 4K
8:50 - Issue #3: Playback Mode Also Disables LCD during HDMI
9:51 - Issue #4: LCD Goes Black during 4K Recording
10:29 - Issue #5: No Face Detection AF during 4K Recording
10:56 - The Workaround: Disable Internal Recording!
12:05 - How to Disable Internal Recording & Use HDMI Only
13:03 - The LCD Doesn't Go Black Anymore
13:23 - Face Detection Is Available Again
13:53 - Other Advantages to Using Only External Recording
(Bypass Recording Time Limits & Prevent Overheating)
14:15 - External Recorders Unlock Full Potential of Hybrid Cameras
15:01 - Final Thoughts
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I wonder how many times I said "HDMI Display Info" instead of "HDMI Info. Display"? 🤔😜
Also, here's the link to the previous HDMI video: czcams.com/video/D-3AHg6xciM/video.html
All I can say is that it made for a good drinking game.
Gerald Undone how can I set up slow motion in the ninja v
Where any of these issues fixed with the latest update?
you can only disable internal recording on the a7iii if you are NOT in manual exposure mode. both my dial 1 & 2 are manual exposure. So basically I can't shut off internal record?
@Ben Aqua Yoow guys i found the solution very simple.. Don't put your camera into video mode but put into M Mode and u will be able to see your info on your external monitor and also shoot)) in 4k 30p 100 so guys pls support me. By subscribing to my channel) im going to release very nice tutorials and also ill be showing how to use your phone as an external monitor so you'll not have to spend extra money buying a monitor( working for me in sony a6300)
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels! I'd really like some in-depth video about external monitors from you, because I don't usually find any of the technical info you usually give on other channels. Very nice video!
You have absolutely no idea how helpful this video has been to me! The workaround of face detection on 4K is truly awesome! Thank you sooooooooooooo much
i’ll second this comment
Me too
I have the same issue with A6400 connected to Ronin S with USB cable. When camera connects to stabilizer with the 4K, face detection instantly goes off. I haven't found any solution yet :/
Man this isn’t anywhere! Thanks!
Iam a big fan of urs sir
Gerald, excellent video as usual! I was hesitant on getting the Ninja V because it disables Face AF on my external monitor but never thought that it'd be possible to reactivate when recording externally, that's gold right there! Love it! Now I know what I'll be getting myself for Christmas! Proud to be part of the Undone fam! Cheers!
Very thorough.. my must have taken a while to discover all the quirks, especially when covering all the brand's. Thanks again.
Gerald great video with tons of info. Coming from a background of video streaming for over 15 years, I thoroughly respect you, subscribed to your channel and generally understand the amount of time a research that you put into the creation of this. Well done Sir!
Thank you very much, Jonathan! That's very kind and encouraging. Appreciate it. 😃🙏
it is hard to believe you just have 32k subscribers!!! I have seen almost all your recent video and I am stunned buy your never ending technical knowledge and above all your language property! You turn a boring topic in a unique experience. Keep going like that!
It is amassing 3 years after you posted this video it is still halpful.
I have Sony. A7c while it was concerned and disply setting on the merging of the display was 3/4 of the screen. I have played with the settings and couldn't get it to be fully displayed.
But when I turnd it of.
It started display on all of the monitor.
👏👏👏
3.5 years later and this video is still class. My first time watching it and it explained and helped me understand what was going on with my Sony A7iii attached to my FeelWorld monitor.
Thanks Gerald.
Same here friend!
Absolutely the Best Camera information channel on CZcams. These issues were driving me nuts and you are the only person I've found that explains this in detail. Thanks so much
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This is probably one of the most thorough videos I've seen. Extremely helpful and easy to understand. Thanks.
Thanks for this info! I use my camera to record talking-head videos. I need to see the audio levels and other display info when I am recording. If I use the Atimos Ninja with the Sony A7iii, can I see these things while recording?
Thanks for the helpful info Gerald - the second of your videos I've come across recently, subbed! Very annoying that I can't view images on the camera (A7rIII) and Ninja V at the same time and use internal recording but good to know it wasn't just me!
Extremely informative! Always learning from you! Many, many thanks!!
This video provides an innumerable amount of knowledge aimed to wake up the confidence of the videographer on his/her equipment! Well done!!!
Really appreciate this video man! you were the only one who explained everything so detailed!
Hey man! This is one of the best videos about camera stuff. You've talked about the HDMI info display issue in 4K video mode on Sony cameras and explained that in detail like no one else did. I'm dealing with this issue every single day on my Sony A7 III and external monitor. For me, it's a major issue and I hate Sony for that although I love the A7 III. I constantly need to check both internal and external monitors for the correct exposure etc. When I'm in front of camera, I started using my intuition... I don't always have time to switch to 1080p mode to get my exposure right in run and gun situations. For some people, it may not be a big issue but once you try Panasonic GH5 (I have the GH5s rig too), you understand Sony's issue. By the way, you forgot to mention that there is a significant lag on an external monitor when you start changing camera modes (e.g. photo to video mode) on Sony cameras. There is no such lag on Panasonic which has like 100 better HDMI output.
Thanks, mate! I totally relate to everything you said obviously. From a general usability factor, it's hard moving away from Panasonic. They get so much right when it comes to the interface and options.
Also, good point about the mode lag. I forgot all about that.
Thanks for the comment and kind words. Cheers! 😃👍
Thanks a million. Your tip with turning HDMI display out off to get rid of black monitor saved me! Keep going.
wow! thank you SO much!! Been trying to figure this out for ages and so glad I found your channel - you explain it so clearly but so comprehensively.
This video is awesome man. I couldn't figure out how to use face tracking in 4k on my a6400 while using an HDMI out and I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Thank you so much!
Thanks! Your video led me to the settings I needed. My stream looks significantly better because of it :)
Awesome as usual. As many have said your channel is so underrated. You deserve 1 million subscribers!
Don't know how many times you have saved me with knowledge i cannot find anywhere else.
So simple, yet amazingly helpful!
Thank you for the thorough walkthrough! Helps a ton!
Thanks for this, saved me several hours of scouring the internet on how to understand all of the hdmi options/limitations
Awesome! Glad to hear it. Cheers.
Thank you man, I cancelled my original atomos order because everywhere I read face detect wasn't possible with 4K. Seriously a good find on disabling internal recording. That is definitely not common knowledge
AWESOME.
Being a rationalist, I truly appreciate the concise info.
Keep up the great work!
thanks! still very relevant in 2020! this has helped me sort out some of the questions I had for trying to setup my A7iii.
i was searching this video for really long time and suddenly i stumble upon this video. Great info and it solved my problem. Thanks a lot
Very high quality work! What some people don't realize is that your extensive catalog of past work is equally immersive. I've gone through all of your past videos at least once and I find myself referring back to them often. If you're new here, do yourself a favor and spend some time looking through this channel...it is literally like stealing knowledge that we SHOULD be paying for.
Very flattered. Made my day! 💪🤓😃
@@geraldundone I also meant to tell you....the quality and workmanship of your catalog from inception till now has dramatically increased. The time that you put into these movies is apparent and NObody could say that you cut corners! I know we keep thanking each other a lot...but sincerely..Thank you. Even though you have totally different channels, I pedestal your channel the same way I do David Thorpe's. I think you are both FAR ahead of your time!
The trigger record setup was very helpful for the RX100 here. Thanks fam!
Thank you! I was pulling my hair out. Could not get my picture to display properly. Atomos should have a section in their manual that points to HDMI setup menus.
As a Sony A7C owner with the Atomos Ninja V, you helped clear up a lot for me. Thanks so much!
Great video. Thanks for this. So well spoken man. Your video is 16 minutes long and it probably took you 17 minutes to record it. lol. Props!!!!
WOW! I've been looking this tutorial for a week now, you're the man!
Just had the liliput a7s with sony a7iii, such a perfect content!
Super Thanks, all the best from your subscriber!
Man, this content is awesome!! Excellent!! Thank you!
Awesome Videos! helping me a bunch with explaining how to set up my DSLR for video and streaming
THE HDMI PLUGGED IN DISPLAY INFO OFF LCD SCREEN OFF BUG THING HAS HELPED ME VERY MUCH THANK YOU!
Thank you for the great video! Own two Sony bodies and was thinking about buying an Atomos Ninja V, this video and the last video really helped! I've seen many CZcamsr complain about the 4K Face-detect issue with Sony you are the first I've watched that had a solution, this reminded me of your past video on how to make Sony video recording focuses like a GH5.
Thanks, Peter! I'm glad it helped. Cheers, mate! 😃👍
Thanks Gerald, this video has helped me time and again. Appreciate all your videos.
Thanks a lot! Appreciate that. Cheers! 👍😃
I just upgraded from a Sony A6000 to the A6600. I was really disturbed to find out that the menu is not displayed on the Atomos Shinobi when recording in 4k. I kind of assumed I was not understanding something. I'm glad it's not just me.
Other than clarifying that, this video was really helpful in understanding how the HDMI Info Display feature works. I feel like I could never get the A6000 to display to both the external and camera monitors at the same time, and thus had turned on HDMI Info Display on that setup. But then it bugged me when I wanted a truly clean display. For most of my shooting it's optimum (IMO) to have the menu on the camera's display, and a clean external monitor, so I'm glad I could make that work with my A6600! I was going to be really disappointed otherwise.
Thanks!
Extremely informative and helpful this HDMI tutorial.
OMG you just answered all of my questions! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! ❤
I am glad I watched this Gerald. My situation was that I was using a gimbal in the brightest sunny day - I had an external monitor hooked up with a sunshade and lots of brightness - so I was okay for focus and framing. But I couldn't even see the display on the camera at all - to make it worse the a6300 dims in 4k when you hit record. Even to see if the camera is in record mode was difficult. Sony, I have found takes a long time to react to obvious customer concerns- at least now i know why I couldn't turn on the info display. Thanks for that info.
Great video!
I understand that these tests have been made with Sony A7 III and that A7R III will be pretty much the same. The last BIONZ-X-generation A7R IV + A9 II + ZV1, however, will still go black on 4k30p/25p while sending HDMI to the monitor and internal recording, but they will show full image both on display and monitor for 4k24p, so that's a good workaround (in Europe, you will have to switch to NTSC mode to have 24p available).
The same goes for the other limitation eye-/face-AF in 4k-video with internal recording and HDMI monitoring: with A7R IV + A9 II, 4k30p/25p makes eye-AF stop as with A7 III, but 4k24p will keep it working! Unfortunately, other obstacles like 120p, PC-remote, smartphone-control and proxy recording will still kill face/eye-AF even with 4k24p and internal recording.
As a side note, BIONZ-XR-generation-models (A7S III and later) don't have that problem anymore because of their higher processor capacity.
Legend, this helped me a lot. I couldn't get my hdmi info away to provide clean hdmi feed to my Atem mini pro iso. Now I can!!! Thank you.
Gerald, another highly informative video. You are able to say something in five minutes that others will ramble on and on for over thirty minutes! Thanks, Jay
this was very helpful, thank you. Thanks to this video, I learned that if I disable internal recording for the 4k output it will force the 4k and I dont need 4k for my usecase so I turned it to 1080p instead and its working better for me. thanks again!
Excellent work Gerald - saved me a bunch of experimentation... much appreciated,
Great video. I just purchased the Feelworld FW568 to use with my Sony A7riii and was not able to display the camera information on the screen, while recording, this video helped me identify the settings to correct the issue. Thank you!
Thank you for providing this much detaild information on every technical aspect need 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👌👌❤️
Damn this video is from 2018, and this is still not fixed :) and Sony rep was asking me on a recent event to shoot while connected to HDMI, I was like, “you sure bro?”
lol
very useful video!
I love the explanation and nerds!
This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Gerald. Up until now I had to rely on manual focus, because I didn't know that trick.
Thanks a lot for unintentionally helping me!
You mentioned that you can solve a lot of problems with deactivating internal recording. I have not been aware of this option and what it does (and still don't fully understand it). However: I have been trying for a long time now to capture 1080p 60 frames instead of 4k. But no matter what HDMI resolution I set, or what I specify in the software, it didnt work. And by now you already guessed why. Yeah...I had internal recording deactivated, probably because of some other guide. And deactivating internal recording FORCES hdmi to 4k, as long as the capture device is able to do 4k. So if I used a 1080p capture card I would have had no issues. But with a card which can both, deactivating internal recording always overwrites your HDMI settings and outputs as 4k. By enabling this now I have been able to solve this issue.
So thanks for your unintentional help! ^^
Thank you Gerald, question 4 you, if I disable internal recording do I need to switch my rhode vid micro to the ninja v to capture audio?
Hi Gerald, thanks for your findings and the quality of your videos. on this purpose you forgot to mention a BIG cons when you disabled the internal recording : you will no longer able to record in 60p!
Great work Gerald, thanks for caring & sharing.
Hughie
This is a real issue , thanks for making the video because I thought there would be more options with this camera
Thank u so much, the best tutorial on this topic
I was in the process of looking to get an external display for my A7III and after watching this very informational video you made, I've come to the decision that I NEED an external recording/display instead to be able to still use the features of my camera. Thanks again for the GREAT content. 👊🏻😎
Haha. I know, right?! It's frustrating. Thanks for the kind words.
Great info. Subscribed !!!
Excellent vid and help! Subscribed!
legend mate just what I was looking for!
Great video. Thank you. Curious any info on what you might be using for streaming or is everything you do just doing straght recording?
This helped me finally figure out why I got no signal to my monitor while in 4K. On the Sony a7iii I had to force the HDMI resolution to 1080p! Boom, solved.
You still can't see the focus brackets on the external monitor though, correct?
Great info ! That hdmi tutorial really helped my out with the display on my Sony A7III. You know your stuff.
Telling Gerald Undone he knows his stuff is like telling Michael Jackson he can dance. It's like telling Carl Sagan he knows his stars.
Hey, Gerald! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community.
I recently discovered another thing about my Sony A7III with my external monitor.
I was facing a problem when trying to hit Record (in 4k) using the monitor MA5 (feelword) in my camera... The external monitor screen went black but the camera showed Recording...
I ended up in your video trying to find a solution for that with no success.
Then diving into my menu system on camera I realized that my Proxy Recording was ENABLED. As soon as I switched it OFF everything worked just fine... I believe that recording on proxy on 4k mode (XAVCHD) demands more power and the camera can't handle that which is frustrating.
Anyways, thanks for everything man!
Yeah, it's true that proxy recording causes problems as well. So does using the phone app. Good point!
Thanks for the knowledge. I would really love to know what would be the best picture profile on GH5 pair with Nijia 5 and what should I set the input on Nijia 5? Thanks.
Bro! This is so amazing! Thank you so much!
Thanks so much. That is very useful!!
great info. really appreciate your knowledge
thank you so much for all your explanations
Hey Gerald, thank you for sharing. Love your vids. I have a question that I'm hoping you can help me with. Trying to use my Sony A7iii through Black Magic Intensity Shuttle (tried the Ultra Mini Recorder first but still no joy) to stream. I can't seem to get an image through to Balckmagic Media Express. Ecamm can see the Intensity Shuttle but the feed is blank. I've taken the SD cards out but still nothing. I think that my settings in the A7iii are the problem. Any help you can share will be greatly appreciated.
Super informative!
You helped me A LOT! Thanks so much!
Fantastic information, thank you!
Thanks for sharing these tips! It's 2020 and we still have these issues..
Thanks Gerald! You solved me lots of things...
Gerald, first the video was super helpful and informative! Thanks for taking the time to put it together. So, are we just out of luck not being able to see all the shot info when recording in 4k? If you don't have someone around to help calibrate the shot with the A7iii, is the solution just not shoot in 4k? Thanks again.
You are a GENIUS, thank you for solving my problem
Thank you so much for this video! I wondered why the monitor was going black when recording video! Hdmi settings output off has resolved this thanks!
Thank you, this was helpful
hey Gerald. Really great video. Your video helped me answers a lot of questions but only issue im facing is when setting the camera to 4k output sel, the footages on the atomos ninja v is jittery but the audio is clear
Thanks for this. I was trying out different settings today on my a6300 and having exactly the same issues. We seem to have arrived at the same settings though so that's good.
Thank you so much for this Gerald. It solves my problem with my new external monitor. Its actually my first time to purchase an external monitor and I was struggling how to record the file to the sd card while being able to see the feed on the external monitor. Yes, i do experience all the problems you mentioned in this video, I'm using Sony A7III. Again, thank you for this helpful content!
Glad it was helpful, John! Thanks for the comment.
Great video Gerald, you literally answered all my gripes with the A7III and HDMI. Cheers :)
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Great Info and walh thru.... I have a Sony A6500 and its putting out a B/W image to external screen. Any ideas how to program to color?
one thing to add- and this appears to be consistent on all sony 4K camera - tested a6400 and a7iii. When shooting 4K and using internal memory card recording if you have proxy recording enabled- the camera monitor will display the image and the details- but the external monitor will turn off totally. You have to disable proxy recording to get the results you were showing above where the external monitor shows the image and the camera screen just shows the details but no image. if you ever do a v2 version of this video- please add that- I almost ditched sony entirely b/c of this. first thing I do on cameras is turn on proxy recording as I have a weak computer- so I coudnt get 4K to work at all on my external monitor and I was super frustrated= then disabled proxy recording and boom- worked like the video you posted.
Thanks for great video, Gerald. You are truly awesome. It is very hard to find the reviewer who addressing issues happens in the real production scenario. I appreciate your knowledge sharing for the filmmaker community.
I am using a6500 and Moza Air 2 combination. Things get more complicated if you want a HDMI output with gimbal. Moza Air requires "PC Remote" usb connection mode to get camera control. (I think this is same to other manufactures' gimbal) With that mode a6500 doesn't produce HDMI output while recording. Both back LCD and external monitor black out except camera setting information on LCD. This is fatal flaw for gimbal user. I guess this may not happen if recording externally but couldn't find anybody tried on CZcams. I appreciate if you could try this setting someday.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it.
That's a peculiar quirk. I'll definitely look into that. Cheers!
Thank You... Exactly what I needed
I have a canon 90D and the Ninja V and I am having an issue where the video looks “jagged” and notice that the frame rate on the camera is different then the ninja 🤷🏻♂️ need help
TQ u for the video it's so..... useful♥
I have that same tripod head. It makes a loud pop sound when I tilt the head down (I don't know, maybe 30 degrees or so). Does yours do that? just curious...
Very helpful video!!
Been scratching my head for a while. I fly the Sony A7iii on a drone so having info display relayed on the ground means everything if I'm doing 4k. Wish they would fix this so I can have more control in the air...
This was very helpful I thought I had to get a new HDMI cable but it was just the settings
You saved me in 2021. Thanks :)
Thanks, Sir for teaching
Help me a ton! Thank You 🙏