Spektrum Firma 40 ESC - Better than you think!
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- I go over the features, pros and cons of the new Spektrum Firma 40 ESC & Reciever combo. It's much better than you might think, and a super affordable way to get into the SMART DSMR ecosphere. Enjoy the running video at the end!
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Awesome review Matt! 😎😎😎
Thanks! 👍
Hi
Spektrum tech: Hello do you know what's the limit motor I can't find this info anywhere, I want change the 35t but what the limit motor on 2s and 3s thanks in advance
@@juancorona4262 you would have to do testing to find out. Because the ESC is rated at 40amps continuous. Amps are determined by motor size, vehicle weight, and gear ratio. I run this ESC for my 20 turn 550 size motor and don't have any issues. Heavy truck geared for a lot of speed so it's definitely pulling a lot of amps too.
@@juancorona4262 also forgot to mention it's rated at 180amps burst current, so I think it would be really difficult to overload this ESC with a crawler/trail truck.
I pre ordered 2 of these and got them before I started seeing people bash them. It works for what I need in a brushed setup. Mine came with drag break off, so I was happy I got the programming card. I have now decided most people who bash new stuff don't know what they are talking about. There are a lot of keyboard warriors who just want to watch the world burn, and I now ignore them and just spend the money if I like what I see. This is a hobby and I don't take it very seriously. I just have fun. Good video.
Eh, since returning to the hobby, one thing I've noticed lately is that a lot of people seem quick to dump on things as soon as they see the Spektrum name. I myself am returning to the hobby after a very long break (I'm a racer, but I like all this crawler stuff). I decided to come back with an open mind and gave Spektrum a shot. No complaints so far. Now sure, I'm not saying that people haven't had problems with Spektrum products, but in my time back, I've seen way more "I saw this guy" stories than people who personally had a problem. Anyway, I'm not one to judge. The bottom line is that I'm happy so far, and if I continue to be so, I'll spread a good word for a change. 🙂
I also ordered two simply because I loved the idea of 2in1. Multiple people told me “it’s rtr low quality”. I’m glad I ignored that because spektrum did an amazing job!
I've been with spektrum since the beginning I'm glad to see a person of your caliber speak highly on the subject👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I preordered it for my scx10iii kit when they announced it and I haven’t had a single problem with it and it’s awesome for the price and saving weight with not having separate esc /receiver
Right on right on! I knew Spectrum would eventually make a brushed esc around that price mark to compete and it sound like it cones with some nice options included! I’ll be looking to pick up one of these and try it out.
I bought a DX5C, largely on Matt's recomendation, great radio. A few months later Spektrum released the DX5 Rugged.
Now Spektrum fixes the only problem with the DX5 Rugged over the DX5C, the touchscreen.
Guess who bought a DX5 Rugged 3 months ago? :-|
This ESC sounds and looks suspiciously like it's based on a WP1080. But $45 for that ESC with a 4ch receiver in it certainly isn't bad.
Nice to see the UMG10 running again. 🤙🏼
Nice driving at the end of this video and nice to see the one truck that did not come with portal's that came with them one to one now running truly scale. Thanks for sharing
Thanks 👍
Iv had one of these esc for about a month or so. I love it. Makes building new kits cheaper. It’s a hobbywing 1080 with a reciever and smart tech.
You can't bump the BEC up to 7.4v but still it's a killer deal.
so can I use a hobbywing program card for it
You don’t need the program card specific for it. I used a program card for a 1080 and set it up just fine
I should note it's a generic card that works with multiple ESC's. Thanks!
Thanks for that info, I already have the card for the 1080!
Bryan Harrison make sure you look at the chart that comes in the instruction sheet on the Firma esc the table choices are different but the card does the same basic thing it cycles through groups of choices it just depends on what sheet your reading off of
Awesome! I was just going to say I wonder if any program card will work. I have one from the 1080 in my TRX4 Sport Kit so I was curious.
Thats good to know, also is the esc as smooth as the 1080 ?
I didn't watch any videos on this, just got it and tried it, gotta say I really like this esc receiver.👍
I have a Tamiya TC-01 on order, and this combo looks PERFECT for that application. Thank you for sharing.
How did this work on your TC-01?
@@Al-qn3sj Haven't built it yet
I will certainly add the Firma 40 to my wish list for a scale build. When I get one, I will try connecting a Hobbywing program card to it. Awesome Unimog by the way!
I got this along with a DX3 transmitter to go in my TRX4 Sport build kit and I am super happy with it. It has no problem running my motor and Traxxas 400 steering servo.
UPDATE. Ben running this for almost 2 years now with zero problems. An absolute wonder of a unit for the money, small, simple and capable right out of the box.
Great review. I love the idea that spectrum has with their eco-system but, I really do wish there was a way to use regular lipo batteries and get the same telemetry info from them.
Thanks for the awesome review. I've watched it 3 times now and finally pulled the trigger and ordered 2 of them. One for my Trailwalker and one for my SCX10ii F100. Looking forward to hitting the trails. I think these would pair well with a 5 slot motor.
Right on!
Thanks for the video, I had just ordered a DX5C Rugged and the rest of the Firma 40s that RPP had in stock. It seems really tough to beat the price of $45 for an ESC and 4 channel RX.
Nice shots of the UMG10 😀😀👍
I just bought a used one pulled from a new model last week off Ebay. I had no idea what the extra black/white & black/red connectors were for so thanks for that! I had only looked up the basics to get it started and have been tooling around the backyard since.
Glad I could help, have fun with it, and thanks for watching!
@@scalebuildersguild you earned a subscriber. These are the kind of videos I'm looking for.
I have 7 of them and they are a fantastic unit
Man If every single one of my trucks didn’t already have hobbywing 1080s and 4ch spektrums I would get these! They seem amazing and definitely a lot more budget friendly. And 4 channel is a lot of channels too! I don’t even own a truck that uses more then 4 channels. These are great! This thing is basically the price of a 3 channel receiver
It would work well for my kids and gfs crawler. Cheap everything included and easy to use. Nice video
I never get bored of ‘that’s what she said’ 👍🏻😂
I think people like to "bash" things they really don't know about. Will consider this on my next build. Thank you Matt for your honest opinion. 👍
I managed to squeeze this rx/esc into a 1/18 Gelande 2 D90. A massive inprovement on the p.o.s combo in the rtr from RC4WD. It now has modulation. Lucky enough to get it with a Spektrum Tx for approx 110 bucks.
Really appreciate the move to 4k. Dat eye candy. This is a great unit. I just wish that bec went up to 7.2v so I wouldn't have to run a separate bec for high voltage servos. I also wish there was someway to activate brake lights.
Definitely need to start using these
I just blew up an esc so this is perfect
I just really like my castle stuff. Great experience anytime I need anything and great performance from most of their products I have purchased
Couldn't agree more! There's a place for the more expensive hardware. I typically run Tekin and Castle in most of my more high end, technical trucks, but for simple trail trucks that don't need a lot of features, this is an excellent alternative.
I love my Castle stuff as well, but for brushed, I find it overkill... Not that overkill is bad, but this is a nice smooth little setup in a brushed only truck.
Excellent information. Thank you.
Excellent info Matt. I just ordered 3 of them.
Good stuff!
Excellent video and wish they had an esc like that for futaba
Love the mog! I may have to pick up a rugged or two!
Love your videos man. They have helped me out with so much information I have needed in the past
Glad to hear it!
Thanks for the review Matt; I've seen lots of opinions on this ESC but appreciate the actual review.
For comparison, are there other ESC's on the market that offer real time telemetry without adding multiple individual sensors? I don't own much Spektrum (just some old DX2L transmitters) but this is very tempting for the money.
I do think it is a better than some people have said about it. And for the semi trucks I can see it as a huge win considering how little room those trucks have in them before you ad light and sound kits in them.
Thanks for this matt! I may be replacing some of my ESCs with this. I don't do any comp stuff, so it is enough for my needs. Pretty crazy that it comes in at the price of a stand-alone RX!
Right?! Sure, it could offer more amps, have a higher powered BEC, etc. but in all honesty, for most enthusiasts and scale modellers like myself, you don't really need much more.
Scale Builder's Guild the one thing I’d want is more power for digital servos, but not a deal breaker for most of my rigs. That cost for the features is pretty impressive. Dig that axial hat.
Not a bad unit. Gets the job done for a trail truck just fine. Decent adjustability, with the same card I use for my Losi Rock Rey. I think the 40a and RTR stamp are what make most people think it's junk and needs swapped out right away. Another RTR ESC I like and most don't is the reedy sc480x in the newer elements. With the $14 card, it has tons of adjustable parameters. All my trucks have the stock motor and ESC in them, some for a few years now. Except my wraith, got a deal on a new hobbywing 1080, figured "why not?" Great review 👍👍
Thanks for watching!
Great review thanks. It takes the confusion out of the mix
Glad it was helpful!
Im curious to try one of these, just waiting on my rugged to show up.
I got one about month or so ago to try, it was cheaper to get it then a higher channel receiver, and it is amazing I have 3 of them now, and also little tip, as far as programming, a regular hobbywing 1080 program card with plug in and program it and access all the features.
I agree with the fact that this is great for space saving.
Putting one in my new Capra and I really enjoyed the firma in my enduro. Paired with the trail master sport it is a great setup, same possibly better than the hobbywing 1080!
The main problem I had with the usual 2-In-1 ESC/RX units was the 5 wire servo output, but I'm quite happy they made it available with a 3 wire as well as working with a good amount of Spektrum radios. I believe this is also the one that comes in the 10.3 RTR as well
Thanks for the info!
This plus an external BEC seems like a winner for cost and footprint
Spektrum also offers a high torque servo with a receiver built in S6240RX incase you want a different esc..
With this and the updated rugged, it might be time for me to try Spektrum out.
Which smart 3s battery did you use? I'm currently using the protek shorty. Would like to use a smart batt to get the full telemetry. I've looked at the 5000 hard pack but that is full size batt.
Seems like pretty damn good deal👍
Interesting. Spektrum is rocking the boat, seemingly to our advantage.
Actually fits perfectly in an scx24
Hey, good vid. I bought the Redcat danchee ridgerock, do you have any suggestions on programming the DX5C and 6 avc ch rx for the dual motor of the Danchee?
Looks perfect for my Tamiya cars/trucks
Great review and video as usual. Liked and subbed.
Besides the adjustable output voltage, what other features were you thinking you would have liked to see in this product? I think all the programmable features/ settings are the same as the 1080, no?
I have the firma 40 and can confirm it is legit! I've had mine for a couple months now and have put countless packs through it and have not had one hiccup in performance, this thing is rock solid!
It is such a huge improvement and upgrade from your typical RTR ESC that it is ridiculous! Make sure to enable freewheeling and set startup power to the lowest setting for best crawling performance.
I prefer to run drag break increase rate at the slowest available level and prefer throttle response as quick as possible for those times when I need to use a quick burst of throttle to jump up from one rock to another ledge.
Since the LHS does not carry spektrum or Horizon products i went with the Hobbwing 1080. this was also beore i knew of this esc. might be good when the next one dies to give it a try with my DX5C radio. but im still running SR201 and SR300/SR300WP recievers so i dont know if they will be compatible.
great video as usual.
Hello do you know what's the limit motor I can't find this info anywhere, I want change the 35t but what the limit motor on 2s and 3s thanks in advance
what table did you go off of on the dynamite program card? theirs 4 tables.
I need a new one for my yeti jr can am. Think this is a solid upgrade??
I am told that the Hobby wing Programming card also works with this setup if you have one already. Not fact. Just thought I would mention it. Maybe you can clear this up for us.. They dio seem to be a lot alike.. Thanks for sharing Matt. And I have to say the Price is actually pretty good.
I just figure out how to connect an ess one sound unit when there is no throttle port to plug into
I'm indifferent on the telemetry. But simplifying the electronics, this seems like be a better fit for the project I have on hold... Hmmm.... Well, maybe the next scale build.
Everyone speculates.... FEW are correct!
Thank you Matt for the detailed information about this.
As I'm sure you know, most People form the opinion on ESC/Reciever combos, that they're absolutely TOY Grade. Face it, where would you normally see the overwhelming majority of them? 😲
You've showed that the fear is definitely unfounded!! I actually like the Slow Speed modulation on that. 👍👍
...... That Program Card looks shockingly like my Hobbywing Card. 😜😁
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
And Matt, I can't wait to try one! Something I've been WAITING 11 years for, is FINALLY happening by the end of the year!
Om finally getting my INHERITANCE!!!!! 😲😁😁😁😁😁😁
(And Brother, it's a LOT)💰💰💰💰💰(a LOT!)
It will feel so good to join the Forums again, because I will no longer be in the sad position of having to ask for help............
Hopefully around November.
i used my hobbywing 1080 programing card to adjust mine. works the same other then bec.
The programming card looks identical to the Hobbywing ones so I'd say they share technology
yeah I used my hobbywing program card and it worked
Where 'sharing' means 'manufactured for Spektrum by Hobbywing'.
Still, they could have chosen a lot of manufacturers that are lower quality and/or more expensive.
@@rick442 Could you change the BEC voltage to 7.4v with hobbywing program card?
No. Locked into 6v.
I have it but my DX6R doesn't have it on the list of receiver so I bind it to a 4 channel receiver but I don't get the smart Technology
Thank you for this review. But I do have questions regarding the program card. I see that you’re recommending the Dynamite program card, but others have suggested using the Hobbywing HWA30501003 program card. Each person suggests that their specific program card is compatible. What I’ve noticed, there is a difference when it comes to the program card values for each different card. For example, Dynamite Card is value 2 for Drag Break, but for the Hobbywing Program Card it is value 11. Dynamite Program Card Drag Break Force is value 2, but for the Hobbywing it is value 8. The problem I see, is that one may think they're setting the drag break, but it could be an entirely different setting. I welcome your feedback. Thank you!
tell me about motor limit? can its use with crawlmaster 5 slot 550 with 10T
i have been bring the Firma 40 esc into the shop since it was released, and sometime have trouble keeping them in stock.
Spektrum have their own firma programing card and it appears to have more settings on it then the Dynamite card. I think that this will be the new must have esc for the majourity of scale guys as they get into the scale scene
So the Spektrum card will work with this? I've only seen the Dynamite card suggested. I already have a few Spektrum ESCs at this point and was thinking about picking one up.
Nice integrated unit, cool! Do you know offhand if the led outputs are always hot or can they be switched off via an aux channel?
They're always on Kevin.
Pretty good:)
Could you please show us how you shoot your running videos sometime? The Lightroom tutorials are great.
I certainly will do that!
I'd get it just for the nifty little startup beeps. 😃
It would be interesting to find out if a Hobbywing program card would work on the Firma 40.
yes it does
The program card look like the ones that come with the hobbywing 1080 esc.
Very thoughtful. Wondering if it will work with my 4c 🤨
If it’s Smart and works on the latest firmware, it might! I’d check with Spektrum to confirm.
Amazing price point on this combo. Great video Matt as always. But can this systems telemetry tell me when to flip my grilled cheese sandwich? I'm constantly burning one side.
Not that I know of, but I'll ask the designers if they can add this feature later!
Can you get the updated Rugged transmitter in orange now or does it have to be green?
Just green right now.
Can I run an external BEC?
Love your channel! I recently purchased the SCX10 III Gadiator and am trying to put the ESS sound emulator in it. There is no throttle plug to hook the y cable to with the Spektrum Firma 40 ESC combo. Any suggestions?
That's an all-in-one unit, so there's no option for your sound unit, sorry!
@@scalebuildersguild Bummer!!! :(
@@scalebuildersguild Do you think this is what the industry is moving towards overall? I see that even the new brushless setups have the all in one ESC. We love running sound in our trucks. This is very dissapointing to lose this capability. I really hope someone comes out with something to rectify this aside from replacing the thing with separates.
@@genealterio There's plenty of units that still offer that functionality, but they're going to be standalone units. They won't be going anywhere. These all-in-one's are great for people who want simplicity and convenience.
Matt do you publish your 3D files or share them?
I don’t really have many, but if I do, they’re on my Shapeways store.
I’m having issues programming the 3rd channel/aux from my rugged.burned out two mini Servos in my rtr iii trying to get the dang end points for the drag brake. Any ideas?
The back button on scroll was engaging the servo?maybe a video on it?!?!
That's very strange, I've never heard of that. That said, many of the switches are pre-applied to other functions and need to be set to inhibit before you start making changes. I suggest you look at that first. End points can be difficult to set up, but with a little practice and patience, it can be done!
Someone can help me? I have this esc, but I would like to use this guy with an other receiver (Radiolink) is that possible (jump this esc to other receiver) ? because I need 7 ch and my DX4S have only 4.
Unfortunately, no.
but i love my hobby wing Quicrun Crawler Brushed ESC :) i just discovered it ....
Does the voltage telemetry work if you aren't using SMART batteries? I don't really care about the rest of the stuff but having voltage would be nice.
No, it doesn’t. Requires Smart batteries.
That green Rugged looks good...hopefully better than my orange one which looks like a ToysRUs exclusive.
It is, the touch controls have been made much better too.
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Haha...speaking of the controls...that touch interface was a PITA at first. Then I realized I needed to...well, I'm sure you get my drift. ;-)
See I knew size wasnt everything !! *LOL* I love the Hobbywing Quickrun 1080 esc, does anyone know how it compares to this combo for smoothness?
It's been a little while since I ran my 1080, but they seem about on par with each other. Smoothness also depends heavily on the quality and type of motor.
On a brushless motor it can count phases
I run same tires on my umg10, my umg10 is a beast H.H REVOLVER, SW4 ESC grunt tires, its a comp stomper
I HATE YOU!!!! I watched you video this morning while I was working out and because of it I ordered a Dx5 Rugged and the program card for my Scx10iii RTR.... or and another servo for the 2- speed. 😭😭😭 just when I thought I needed nothing else for this rig. Haha
Where do I plug the capacitor if I remove it to use the aux2 channel? My choices are the firmware port or program port and just removing the capacitor is not an option.
Capacitor? There’s no cap on this ESC. Perhaps you’re commenting on a different video?
@@scalebuildersguild The capra 4ws comes with a capacitor plugged into aux 2 on the firma 40
Can a hobby wing card work??I have the dual 880 in my moa.it works with it I know..not sure about the firma40.i have the jt.stock it's not bad on set up it seems to me..im no pro though.the gladiator jt is my first scale truck.its fun..no moa but that's another argument.lol.
Yep, sure can!
Is it compatible with a dx4C ? (I dont need telemetry)
It should be, but I'd confirm that your radio works with Spektrum themselves.
So is this the same esc that comes with the newer RTR Bomber?
No, the Bomber comes with the AE5-L.
Do all hobbywing progamming cards work?
I believe that they do.
How do I add extra lights to it? Can i just add a splitter on the 2 existing front and rear wire lights?
Should work, but not sure what the voltage output is, so I’d stick to 6volts.
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Do i have to use the spektrum batteries? What happens if I cut the connector off and use the xt 60s that I have in everything else? I know I'll lose battery telemetry.
Yep, you'll lose all battery telemetry. I haven't tried it, but imagine you'll also void warranty.
@@scalebuildersguild makes sense. I love the idea of it. And its simplicity. And the price is amazing. I guess I could always make a jumper too. Hmmm.
@@Viatlejeep Yep. Just make up a very short xt60 to ec3 adapter.
Still having good luck with this esc? Will it work with non spectrum controllers?
Great luck with it. No must bind with a Spektrum transmitter.
@@scalebuildersguild awesome thanks for taking the time to respond. I have been having some issues on my sons deadbolt, it doesnt backup, switched polarity and motor spins backwards. So trying to find issue and thought may be related to its esc so thought this could be a cheap option to try.
How do you know which table to use?
Which table?
I wish they made an 80 amp as an option
Who knows what the future holds?
As it is a 40 amp esc and 180amp peak, would that mean that my 160amp esc would have a peak of around 720amp? Or does it not work like that? Excuse my dumb
I don’t think it has 180 amp peak.
Scale Builder's Guild oh thats what I saw on the box at the beginning. Hmm must have seen it wrong. Oh found it here pause the vid here: 0:39 at the top left of the box under specifications it says peak current: 180A
Will this work with dx4c to use both dig and 2 speed?
Yes, it's a 4 channel receiver.
@@scalebuildersguild thank you