The problem with the Spektrum Firma 2-1
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- I review the new line of Spektrum Firma 2-1 ESC/Motor Combo units. They come in two different KV values, 1400 and 2300kv and have a lot of nice features, with a few drawbacks, watch to find out more.
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Not commenting on the video, just wanted to swing through and say how much I appreciate all that you do for the rc community. Your passion and commitment is amazing and I sincerely appreciate it.
That is so kind of you! I appreciate the feedback and it makes me want to do even more! Thank you for watching!
@@scalebuildersguild Yea bro your commitment is evident and we all reap hella benefits just from watching you share what you love
Ditto.....!
@@scalebuildersguild a little bit smarter every….well, you know. ;)
Thanks Matt. Your ability to school us and entertain us at the same time is greatly appreciated.
New to this channel, just want to express how much I appreciate an honest review that is not pushing the product or starts with “Worlds best….”
Sensationalism not found here…and it’s awesome.
I love the idea but I’m still going to go with the fusion one of the biggest reasons they give you the program card at this point I have back ups on my back ups of those and they’re great to have
Thank you for the review, I've been thinking about this setup. Thanks for telling us the good and bad.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for making the video. I was looking to get the 2300 2in1 but I could not find any videos on it 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I was looking at these motor/esc combo's but went for the hobbywing xerun 540L R2 for the simple fact that all programming is done on a smartphone, and you can do it while running the car. Best feature ever on a ESC.
Thanks, I've been curious about these. You definitely read my mind in the future by acknowledging the question about this fitting in a VS4-10 Phoenix. I bought a Castle Slate / Mamba X combo but that Spektrum would be such a clean install if it fits
The hobbywing fusion se 2in1 fits the phoenix they have 1200 for $69 and 1800 kv for $79
Aaaaahhhh! I was gonna say that buying the Combo and programming card separately is kind of a deal breaker. But, having a shorter can may make me get it anyway. Great follow up video!
I was super on the fence about one of these or the hobbywing. Thank you for the review, chief
Thanks for sharing another great upload. That ring light sure would make the background pop if it was around the water valve. haha
The Spektrum 2300kv only has 40amps esc in it and the hobbywing 2300kv has a 60amp esc in it.. so the HW is the way to go 😊
"0r FoooooooooC" had me dying, awesome video Matt!!
I put the 2300kv version in my scx10 iii build and am very happy with it, and was not happy about adding another programing card to the tool box though. I have a little pile of the ones that come with the 1080 forming on my workbench.
I just choose to go that route with my SCX10 iii !
@@sebbbou5455 Nice, it it's been great. i recently grabbed the new hobbywing fusion pro for a different build pretty much the same but uses the old hobbywing programmer that comes with 1080s. Also not included, but they give you a nice decal to slap over a old programming cards if you have one.
Great job, Matt, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
The Hobbywing 1800 2in1 is perfection for my Defender.
Nice system but I have a question about the lights on the G-made l would like to see how you connected all the lights maybe in a video or pictures i just don't have any idea how to connect all the lights if you could be so Kind please 🙂👍🏽
I'm building a TF2 kit but in the lwb version with the xtracab body. I plan on keeping the leaf spring setup as I love leaf sprung trucks,lol. I'm thinking about using a spektrum setup. If I were to use this 2 in 1,which kv would you pick? Also is there any other spektrum motor and esc you would recommend? I do plan on doing local comps if it matters. Oh and I'm running a gcm transmission. Thanks for your help
I'd go for the higher one of the two. Good luck!
Bought the 2300kv combo on 10/19/21 and starting today when reverse throttle is applied it stutters/jerks. Emailed spektrum with pics and receipts and a replacement will be shipped when back in stock.... website says February 2022😑😑😑😑 besides the all of a sudden stutter in reverse its worked flawlessly.
Thanks a bunch 👍 Just got one for the base camp kit. Cards ordered now. Pinion gears still on the don’t know what I’m doing plans. But I’m guessing 13t?
That should be fine. Have fun!
Thanks for the video! I thought about putting one of these in my son's Gladiator. He does more driving around the street and grass than actual rock crawling. Would the 2300 be the one to get in this case, or should I get the 1400?
I’d probably go 1400 for that scenario.
Thanks!
You are smart….smrt 👍 great video as always Matt!
Great video. Always enjoy them. Just so you know. Put one in my phoenix and it fit without any modifications. Just took a min. Thanks for all you do for the hobby. .
Thanks for the info!
Did you have to modify the 2,300 at all to fit in the vanquish? Additionally does the program card need firmware updates. Thanks much!
Just got one of these, and in the Phoenix VS410 Portal I needed the card to change the direction. Must be the VFDtwin, but I had my transmitter in 'reverse throttle' to go forward until I got the card.
I also like the Hobbywing 2in1 better. Just overall it's more configurable (Have that in my capra), and I prefer it over the Spektrum.
Great video, not sure if this question was ask or not, have you tried the Hobbywing version program card, since its HW that makes them for Spektrum ?? Thanks !!
No... it won't work! Unfortunately, you need the Spektrum card.
@@scalebuildersguild Perfect thanks Matt !!
Pretty interesting take. I have thinking about getting one these 2in1's. 👍👍👍 A 550 would be nice.
You talked a lot about FOC, has anyone setup a planetary gear setup to slow the speed of the motor?
Super review Matt, thanks! Been thinking of trying one of these out. How smooth is their start-up for the slow crawl?
Like butter. Insanely good low end.
Slow crawl you say? 😆
@@slowcrawler2695 LOL
@@slowcrawler2695 😄 are they good for you? ...gotta know
@@smokingwraith9990 no personal experience with the spectrum 2 in 1 but I'm using the Hobbywing Fusion 1800kv, I like the simplicity of it, plenty of power as well. I like full interior and the more space and less wires the better imo 👌 I'm sure the spektrum is very similar 😁
I have the same system but.. no matter what i set my drag brake setting at, my truck locks up as soon as i let off the throttle, i use the Spektrum dx5 rugged, what setting does my controler need to be at for my drag brake to work?
Hey Matt what size did you make they bays in your truck shelf behind you? Thanks ahead of time.
They’re from IKEA, and are called Malm I think.
Bought 2 1400kv. I had the v2 programmer but it still needed an update. Updates with windows only..so if you don’t used windows you are screwed
as always very nice video with a pinch of irony and sympathy but everything always explained very well. a greeting from Italy 👋🏻
Thanks for watching! Grazie and Buone vacanze!
I put the Hobbywing Fusion in my Capra and it was a bit tough. I had to cut a bit of the chassis and interior. This Spektrum should go straight in.
Do you think I could wire two of those up together to run 2 Motor on axle for a Bully2? I think I can bring the two battery connectors into one connector for one battery and I can use mixing to control both throttles from separate channels. Any thoughts with that? Thanks.
I don't think you'd want to run from one battery, that sounds like a bad idea. Why not just run two smaller batteries?
@@scalebuildersguild It’s for a Bully2 comp crawler with a 3s 1500mah lipo on the front. I don’t want to add weight to the rear and there is no room anyway. I get about 1 hour run time with brushed motors. That’s long enough. I just ordered 2 of these brushless 2 in 1’s anyway. I’ll make a video on it for some MOA action. I thought even if they are heavier, the weight is down low, and the FOC should make control awesome. I am making a parallel harness basically to run off one battery. I’ll hide the harness with the receiver in the cab of the Bully. It should be real clean in the end. Looks like I’ll probably have two on off switches though. Kinda weird how they wire those only as a giant push button. Thanks for your help.
Very few negative reviews on the HW Fusion. I'm glad that's what I chose.
Will it fit in a trx 4 blazer
Hobby wing started it? Team Orion DDrive.
I am thinking of getting this or a similar 2 in 1 motor/ESC for my new SCALE build RC Speedy LMT Monster truck. I am more interested in eliminating the ESC from being seen versus pure performance. Any thoughts on the 2300 KV - 2 in 1 for my application or maybe the Hobbywing? Thanks -Great vid's as always
I’d definitely go for the 2300kv version for a Monster Truck.
@@scalebuildersguild I appreciate the response. This ones more show, not so much go.
I’ve been thinking about putting the 1400 in my TF2 4Runner rtr? Any input on that?
That would be a good application!
Will the lights still work with the 2-in-1 or would i have to get a seperate light controller wth the early bronco?
Lights generally can also plug into an open slot on your receiver, so you should be okay!
I have same motor 2300kv love it run on trx4 K5 Blazer it perfect now think of get 1400 kv on wraith since it only one speed might need much torque don’t care for speed but maybe add 2 speed transmission later in future
Buying a separate programming card isn't necessarily a deal breaker. Worth it if you will buy the system for more than one rig. I have a stack of programming cards for HW 1080's and only need one. I was wondering if you can switch off the FOC? I actually enjoy throttle(trigger) management for "driving".
I believe there is a setting for changing it's strength.
I've noticed the same thing with downhill driving, momentum/ scale speed stability could be better out of the box for those that are super into scale driving . This is really caused by the drivetrain as the motor is doing it's job perfectly and holding an exact constant speed.
This effect is reduced with single speed transmissions. And Exacerbated by 2 speed transmissions.
If this bothers you like it did me, you may want to set your " throttle matching" to low. Default is medium or high. Low is plenty enough throttle matching to be 100 times better than brushed.
What I like about not buying your own card gives some a reason to get out and meet someone new when you ask for help. I met a real nice guy and was able to help him out with his truck. The best part of RC is making new friends! Sure you may have to reverse throttle in your radio and your truck might drive slow until you change the setting in the ESC, but at the end of the day you might make a friend out of it!
look at that rig hot damn!
any opinion on this Spektrum 2 in 1 vs the Fusion Pro V2? Looks like the updated version is the same dimensions and just .2oz heavier. Looking for a new motor for my TF2 Marlin with the A7M skid and transfer case flipped for OD, so brushed motors are smoking! Was looking at Holmes motors but at the $150 price i may as well do one of these!
I'd go Holmes if I'm honest. Super reliable and built for performance.
@@scalebuildersguild do you run a sensored brushless in your TF2 Marlin? I keep being told with the A&M skid and flipped transfer case with that aggressive OD i should run brushless sensored to prevent more electrical failures. I have a spare purple BL 540 1800 and mini V2 i could drop in, but have been hesitant since i keep being told to run a sensored motor. Otherwise considering a Standard Puller PRO V2 2200 and copperhead, but would like a ten shooter if i could swing it.
Since we all know it’s made by Hobbywing for Spektrum, I’m pretty sure with all those hw programming cards out there somebody will try and share if it works fine or not. My hw box works just fine with The Spektrum Firma 40 combo…
I like it, but the big question is. Will Hobbywing offer a 2300KV Fusions any time soon? As the Spectrum Firma 2-1 is made by Hobbywing.
They make a higher kv now and a shorter can.
@@johnathanfarquhar1981 correct, I bought one recently.
Any updates on the k5🤔
That's a great thing to do to a summit , I just sold mine , to get a hpi nitro Savage , Kev , I really would like to see a nitro video at that site your on , in this video , take a look at the Savage , they have a E version too !
I think you might have meant this comment for another video.
The fusions are winning just because of the program card being included with it
Would it fit in a Capra.? If yes, which one would be better from a crawler?
I’m trying to find out if it fit did you go with this motor combo or something else
_Dynamite offers this setup in the losi mini b..its a brushless 6000kv_
Does seem a little odd they don't give you the program card, when their main competitor does.
So my question would be..i have the program card for my mojave 6s. Would that be compatible for the 2in1? Or like would the card need to be updated?
You need the SPMXCA200. Thanks for watching!
Can you please do a video on your gray scx24 JLU. 19
I would love to see a 4000kv version and it was waterproof
You said in the video you’d like to see a 3300kv version. Now they have it but I’ve seen comments that it’s more for a basher than crawler. Your thoughts?
With proper gearing, that sounds just about perfect to me! Thanks for watching!
Question? Can I borrow that black blazer behind you? Love it.
Hahahaha
Shame they made it so proprietary. I have the newest HW program card, and would have grabbed the 2300kv in a heartbeat if it worked with the programmer I have already. Otherwise, great review! thanks MAtt!
Hi Matt
Being a 540 is a little exciting for the Capra owners out there, I'm looking for a motor and esc combo, not necessarily integrated but did wonder if you know whether this product will fit a Capra
They are the same length as the hobbywing fusion = 550 length. I actually just went and measured both it is 3 mm shorter than the hw
@@brandonwilliams2431 hey that's great news Brandon! Will the hobby wing fit into a Capra in that case?
@@krisbahler8264 No, too long!
@@miketyphoon8885 👍
interesting, I thought Castle had a patent for programming the esc over the signal wire, and that's why hobbywing used the on/off switch location. Seems that's changed?
Gosh, that's news to me! I'll have to do some research!
@@scalebuildersguild I think I heard John Holmes mention it on a video a long time ago.
Wow that Bodyshell is awesome can you buy it separately? Where can I order please? 😊 👍
It's from Gmade. Not sure if they offer it separate!
The ring lighting is creepy when used as intended. I dig it on the wall, tho.
🤘🤘🤘
I went with the Quicrun fusion 1800kv instead. I feel that hobbywing products are higher quality in my opinion. I already have the esc programmer for my LMT but HH electronics have left something to be desired. Good info though, thanks again
You know they're both made by Hobbywing, right?
Can you try stuffing it in the Vanquish Phoenix? :-D
But how waterproof are they. since i love to crawl in creeks and all , i want to make sure it,s waterproof good . so im not on the trail and it kills over from some water , since i do go under in places and not stay above the water .
I would say this one is water resistant at best… not for submerging.
I have the 2300 version in my SCX10iii running on 3s .. Anyone used 4s? I know specs say 3s but some things are under rated..... I am going to assume 40A ESC would be the limiting factor here? The motor would prob take it fine but not the ESC I presume however I figured I would ask.... I may just say F it and run it and see how long it lasts... Worse case I can go back to traditional setup which I may want to do anyhow
These are rated for 3S Max. Proceed at your own risk.
Will it fit in a Axial Ryft RBX10
Yes, but it's not going to offer the same kind of wheelspeed.
what's the link to the programming box?
bit.ly/3oln66C
That program box looks awfully familiar. When I get home I need to pull the part number off the hobbywing one I own and ask if it's compatible. Then again, to my irritation, the Hobbywing ESC program box I have is not compatible with the Hobbywing 1080 forcing me to annoyingly keep multiple programming cards (all my race RC's are Hobbywing ESC's for keeping this simplified).
Okay, is that program box the same as the Hobbywing Multifunction LCD Program Box HWI30502000. Oh wait, you said it still won't work. Gaa, why can't they simplify these things - I want to minimize on things like program boxes. :-(
@@nukedathlonman They can't simplify these things, because they want to make more and more money!! Therefor this Combo makes no sense to me, because it's too expensive in comparison to the Fusion one! The only reason to buy that one is the 3mm shorter length!
@@miketyphoon8885 I don't care what they want - I don't want to have hundred of program cards kicking around. ;-)
Aren’t spectrum esc made by hobbywing?
Unless you are a spektrum fan, HW is a much better option, (don't tell Matt I told you, but the LED programming card is included with the HW fusion). The great thing is there is a plethora of options from Competition to Axe FOCer's like me. The fusion motors are a nice option, but I've become spoiled with the Bluetooth programming, and is just one of the features that makes me love the AXE system so much, as it is built into the ESC, no dongle or extra card to program. Really makes programming the ESC on the fly a luxury.
AXE FOC R2 have a trailing mode. so when I have my Gen8 Axe out I can switch modes (in the ESC), as I need for the terrain. Trail to the climb, change modes and get to hilling. Joe Dirt central plains, rocks here are a Decorative feature not a natural geological occurrence. ; - }
What truck is this in the video.
GMade GS02 Buffalo. thanks for watching!
Yes, you did allude to it last night, but……#brougthtoyouby 😂
Can FOC be turned off with the additional programming card?
Ha! If I recall, there's an opportunity to disable it, yes.
Since it has a shorter can than Fusion, does it mean it is less powerful than a Fusion?
The HW tops out at 1800kv, so no, I'd argue that the 2300kv version of the Spektrum is going to be more powerful.
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Will it fit in a trx 4
Yep!
Ty
"FOC or FOOOOOOC" Bahahahhahaa I laughed so hard!
the 3 pin connector is a dupont style connector not jst
Thanks for clarifying!
FOC is like downhill decent control… deft keeps you from rolling over going down hill.
Back-ordered through FEBRUARY!?!? Dang
Cant you adjust settings on your controller?
No, it’s not a smart capable ESC.
@@scalebuildersguild don’t they have a new crawler motor with a smart esc?
@@scale_nerd356 yes, this isn’t that though.
Fit perfectly in my Phoenix without any modification. 2300kv...
Weird! I swear it rubbed it two different spots. I'll have to try again on the next one I build. Thanks!
@@scalebuildersguild Phoenix fully built tranny without motor. Remove spur and 2 screws holding motor plate to tranny. Install 2in1 motor to motor plate and reassemble. Easy peasy!
Been thinking about a 2300 for my gatekeeper, because I want a tad more power, and space is limited. Would I be able to see things tike temperature and rpm on a dx5 rugged even though it’s “dumb”? (Great analogy by the way, made me laugh!)
GF02F use 1400kv so good
Thats an awesome combo.
I'll get one some time.
Hahahaha.
I have a list.
I like those lights.
I've heard the hw program cards work with them
Team Orion made the 2in1 years ago.
This is insane
You don't need to shave nor modified this motor to fit the VS10pp. Tight fit but no modifications needed.
No, the motor doesn’t need modification but it definitely hit the upper link mount when I tried putting it in. Major deflection if left like that!
@@scalebuildersguild , that is weird... mine doesnt hit anything.
The Punch and Max Forward Force options don't show in the app or program card. Any fix for this? Using all the latest software and firmware.
Updating. The community might want to know. Matt, if you don't want this let me know or remove. In touch with Horizon Support- they have confirmed that 2300kv and 1400kv motors in their warehouse are bad. The ESC functions are not all working. They have to go back to the maker in China (HW) to investigate. Chinese NY for the next 2 weeks, so I have a $150 paperweight on my bench and who knows when it might get fixed. Thanks Spektrum. My recommendation is to stay away from this product.
Sorry, that's a question for Spektrum. Wish I could help!
Spectrum is all about the money and not about helping nthe hobby move forward. Ridiculous that you have to get NEW everything. Sticking to HOBBY WING 🤙🏽
Hobbywing v2 programm card works just thr same ans it's cheaper
Thanks with all the negatives, I will not be buying this motor esc combo. Thanks for the info.
Fair enough!
Pretty crappy Horizon put some sort of blocker in it so it can’t use the Hobbywing program card. They had to have physically made it that way as everything else is basically Hobbywing except for the color
I will stick with Hobbywings Fusion ,with the poor experiences I have had with Spektrum electronics.
This one made by Hobbywing, a rebadged Fusion with higher kv.
That's not 100% true. I run it with straight axle. I used my trans to reverse direction with no special program box.
What vehicle?
@@scalebuildersguild Gen 7. My flysky has a reverse function on the transmitter, so works just fine.
@@khrisyeet8022 fair, and most radios do that, but, in the case of some brushless motors, the timing is done in such a way that they’re more powerful in one direction.
SURE IT IS HOBBY KING. THATS NO BAD THING GREAT SPACE SAVER🇬🇧🇺🇸🕊️✌️👍
When is EVERYTHING just going to be bluetooth already. Tired of program cards.