Hobbywing Fusion SE motor test - $70 best, cheapest brushless motor/esc compared to Pro
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- Hobbywing Fusion SE review vs. Hobbywing Fusion Pro for best value brushless motor
Fusion SE 1200kv -alnk.to/btkCrCq
Fusion SE 1800kv - alnk.to/5F7C4HG
Fusion Pro 2300kv - alnk.to/goXPUtu
Hobbywing Axe - alnk.to/fSdyY2n
Castle Creations motor/esc - alnk.to/4XsA9sP - Sport
I've been waiting for a review like this. Good job man. Thank you!
Thanks for your great work,I'm new to the RC crawler scene but I use your channel to learn so much about rc parts, accessories and upgrades etc...such a good channel
Cool, thanks!
Thanks for the information in this video!! I love the Fusions I have. I've purchased the new version of the 1800 just haven't installed it yet. I can't wait to see your running comparison video of the two or three setups!! Thanks for the great content!!!
Great review once again! Seeing how HW is deep into all in one’s I can’t believe Castle hasn’t responded yet. Interesting to see if they release their own version this year.
This was really really helpful as just about to buy an SE so think will wait and see the Pro Vs SE review before I pull the trigger!
Got mine in the mail a couple of days ago. Very simple and very cool. There is no better setup for a crawler.
I finally got the brushless all in one setup. Put it in my new gen9 and wow. Love it so far. So nice not having to mount an esc
I bought 2 of these 1800kv motors for a RC4WD Bully II MOA build, but the cans are way too long. I ended up going with two 1800kv HH Revolver V3's and two CC SW4 esc's. I love the performance of the HH/CC combo, but it literally SCREAMS so loud that it prohibits back yard runs. I considered going to these shorter Fusion SE motors as they would fit in the Bully II, but it is clear they are not as good as the original. Thanks for the video!!
Bout 2 fusion pro’s thanks to your past video on it. Love it!
If Crawling is your goal as far as performance don’t waste your time turn in your cans & bottles save or whatever it takes get the Fusion Pro!
Agree, all My 1/10 Crawler’s Got it after the First try🙏🏽❤️
The 2300KV PRO is Badass..!!!!!!!
Hello. Is Fusion Pro good for slowly climbing rocks or steep slopes with the TRX-4 Land Rover Defender?
@@RC_TRX4Jep its the BEST😃👌🏾 Slow crawling, TAKE THE 2300Kv Pro..!!!
@@FredrikOlesen thank you for your answer.
I run a Fusion SE and as far as good solid performance goes, it's there. The Fusion Pro is great only if you want to have the ability to have basic braking and the ability to adjust punch, cause the Fusion SE has the ability to do everything else for half the price. Just my two cents.
Please do a comparison with the SE, and a comparable 1080-Holmes 550 brushed motor combo, it would be very interesting…
Brushed motors are garbage in crawlers. There's zero comparison
Another great video. Always informational and on point with helping make educated decisions on purchasing new products.
Great video, i just ordered the 1800kv SE for my 6x6. I think it runs fine with that.
greetings from Austria
Great review! I have an SE and a pro, both are great. My switch failed on the pro due to letting water in so I joined the red wires and now it works again but no on/off switch.
So they're not waterproof?
I got mine last week and wow it is soo good going up steep hills it just doesn’t ever stop! Amazing value
Hello. Did you buy Fusion pro?
@@RC_TRX4 yes and a year later the motor is still great highly recommend
@@slasher7462 thank you very much
Great video, thank you. I have the se 1200kv in a capra axle lcg rig. Works well but needs to be geared up a bit (18t pinion on stock spur and transmission). I think the 1800kv would be the way to go for most applications. I also have two axe systems, theres not a huge difference in start up speed and the ease of installation makes the fusion type systems a no brainer. Only disadvantage is the weight penalty where the smaller outrunner and heli base escs would be lighter if that's a concern.
I picked up the 1200, but after seeing how much slower it is when compared to the brushed motor. I think I am going to trade up to the 1800KV. I think that will be better for my Ecto
I have 3 Pro's and 2 SE's, also had 3 of the pre pro Fusions.
The SE for the price is amazing, but I would say with the 40amp ESC it is more conducive to lighter trail trucks or small wheel trucks, whereas the Pro would be better for precision crawling and heavier trucks with its 60amp ESC. The Pro is by far the best one, but it's almost double the price.
Great input. Much appreciated by all!
My ideal crawler weight is 7lbs, would you recommend the pro over the se? I was going to go se because I have multiple crawlers
Doing research on a motor & ESC for a custom recreation of my brother's boat. It does not have to be a all-in-one unit. But from reviews on this channel these motor combos looks impressive. The RC boat is going to be 2ft in length. Printed out of PLA plastic. Is either of these hobywing motor combos a good choice? Or for a boat should I look for a different motor combo. I know Hobbywing make a stand-a-lone water proof ESC. Also, this boat is not designed to be a high speed racing boat. His full sized boat only goes 8-10 Knots under full power. Thank You.
@@johnm.gerard1718 Hi, I dont know much about boats, all I know is that water resistance on the prop is way more than one thinks.
If its a very slow boat these would work, but the safest and best bet would be to get a boat specific motor and esc that suites what you want to do with the boat.
Waterproof is a must IMO and watercooled would also be a good thing.
Hello. Which one would be better for trx4 defender? se 1800 or pro 2300?
Thanks for sharing this with us Sir. One question do you think the double the cost the pro is twice as good sir?
Very coo, thanks. Looking forward to in-car comparison. Would love to see a similar product that would fit 1/18 FMS crawlers.
Love your reviews, I got a 1800kv ready to drop in, wondering if there's any issues when using with Direct power Servo? I Have a Holmes SHV in the mail.
Sorry to the rest but just the best reviews here!
Unbiased and well delivered. Not a fan of the zip tie though wanna see em in a truck with you using trigger to slow roll.
I have og Fusion and it’s hard to imagine one much better lol
Just ordered a Fusion Pro for a P408. Excellent review, super helpful. Any recommendations for a compatible transmitter?
Great comparison video as always 👌
Hi! Love your channel!
Is the drag brake strong as in the 2300kv esc combo?
hey thx for all the content! your my crawler librarie, my stock motor in my trx4 is fine for me but i plan to make a trx6 build and i know they need a upgrade what do you recomande? if the stock is fine for me but id like a brushless making sure i dont burn it out on the 6x6 axle thx! hi frome quebec!
Love your videos. Thank you!
Great comparison, really helpful😊👍
I love the HW stuff. I have a few versions of the Axe and one of the Fusion Pros.
The biggest thing about HW versus the other brands is just how quiet they are. I had a Castle system similar to the AXE and it was whiny and loud, also had a larger footprint believe it or not.
The AXE works great in higher speed MT's and mud trucks, not sure on the fusion though mine is in a very heavy truck and I haven't had any issues mudding or crawling.
I'm currently running one of the 1800kv fusion motors in a WLTOYs 144001 buggy (FOC turned off, low drag brake) and it absolutely kills - the motor control is so precise.
I have an 11.2lb Gen 8 and I was going to update the esc to a 1080 g2 and then later get the trailmaster 21t. I like the idea of drag brake switching on the fly. Would it be better to just spend the money on the SE?
Hello, nice video! I have an Axial capra and a Trx4 bronco and a trx6 g63, I currently ride with 550 21t motors, Hobbywing 1080 esc and 3s battery for all three. Do you recommend an SE 1200 or 1800kv or Pro 2300kv? THANKS
For 70 to 80 bucks, this will start decimating mid range to high range brushed motors and ESU combos for crawlers period.
Will the new version fit the Capra? If so, what kv would be better? Thanks!
Good comparison video Francess, now I would think even tho the low speed of the SE isn't quite as low as the Pro on a table that once you install it in a 7 lb truck and start to throttle you wouldn't be able to notice the difference between the 2 ye, no ?
Nope, the ultra low speed actually translates to exactly that in a rig. I have the pro and an 1800 se. The SE just doesn't have the ultra slow crawl but that's not really needed anyways.
Would this work on the capra with stock skid? Im looking for a brushless option for the capra but I know you have to stick with 540 size motors, if this one does not could I get a suggestion on what you might go for?
Good luck finding the SE model, sells out instantly every time they have a few. Just got the pro..
I got one. And have seen a few on the shelves now.
I got the Pro and I felt dirty saying it was better than my Mamba X/HH Combo... Do you think the 1800kV would be good for 2-speed trans set ups?
Because of this channel i got fusion pro.
I have the fusion pro and I love it, have the SE on back order 🤙🏽
Thanks for showing it man, I have a few questions: I have the AXE system in my Gen 8 Axe does that have FOC, if so can it be turned on or off like with the Fusion Pro?
Next the 40A vs 60A, does it make a big difference?
Finally do you have or would you compare the HW Fusion Pro vs the Spektrum Firma 2 in 1 2300kv, I heard it's similar to Fusion Pro made by Hobbywing?
Yes the Axe in the Gen 8 Axe does have FOC, it can be turn on and off and it's also adjustable 👍
I run the pro in 2 trx4s currently, Holmes brushed in the third (sport), I will likely be swapping the pro into the sport and putting the 1800kv SE into the 2 speed trx4runner
When you say CRAWLER do you mean slow rock crawling only? I’m new to this and want a trail truck to explore and want some trail speed as well as torque for some climbing! Are either of these possible for a faster trail rig or only for crawling?
Hi what do you recommend jr servo or protek I want to install the best in my 2023 Xray b4 also a fast motor and esc and battery what do you recommend in all those areas thank you🙏
I preordered mine way back… Hobbywing recommended on there official CZcams video. Do the automatic motor pairing . Right out the gate !! On all the fusion’s.. I have it in my trx4 sport with a 15t pinion gear .. it’s the s*** on low low and I have wheel speed too 💯💯👌
Love the fusion SE 1800kv
I just went over to the beach Half Moon Bay with sand tires on the GateKeeper. It runs fine in the sand. What I don't understand is my 1/6 FMS Jeeps does just as well on USARMY issue tires. Any idea of why the jeep gets buy without sand tires? Thanks
How can i connect my traxxas pro lighting system to the motor with esc inside ?! I also have one more question, if upgraded to this motor will the cruise control still work ? Or not ?
Watch your video, you can get a lot of new products and new knowledge about RC...
Great video 👍
Hi Thank you for the very helpful video. I have an Integy MC01 Super Class Monster Crawler Pro Kit 1/8th It needs two motors for each axial. Will two Fusion SE 1200kv have enough power to run the truck? also enough to drag a baby stroller? Or do you have other motors to recommend? What is an good ESC for them? I have DuraTrax LiPo Onyx 2S 7.4V 5000mAh 35C Hard Case Battery with Deans Plug DTXC1965 is it the right one for the system?
Waiting for field tests
Is there any planning for a SCX 24 Fusion ?? would be great to have brushless waterproof motor combo fusion for the SCX 24 sized trucks and some 1:18 Trucks too! I know the furitek too.
Great overview! I'm looking to buy the 1800 here very soon, all I'm waiting on is to know if the motor comes pre programmed at all? Or will I need to purchase the program card with it? Any info is appreciated!
It is preprogrammed for sure.
Does the Pro fit the SCX10 II Builders Kit? What about the other kits available?
Could you hook a stock Traxxas remote to those setups
Very cool. More room for batteries in a small car. Thanks for sharing.
How is it to service this motor and replace the bearings in it? I run my RCs hard and often in wet conditions and I often find myself having to remove the bearings from my motors and either clean and re-lubricate or even replace them. With the traditional separate motor ESC combos in my rigs this is usually quite easy, but with the fusions being combined into the motor I question how easy this is to do.
Love your videos sir 👍🔥
how do these compare with the Spektrum 2 in 1? Can they fit a VS4-10 without trimming?
So i got the hobby wing fusion se i have run three batterie packs through it and its amazing except on the fourth battery pack on a 2s lipo in a a traxxas trx 4 it caught on fire and haven’t quite figured out why it caught the truck on fire but im taking it down to my hobby store today to figure out why
I want the se but should i get 1200 or 1800 for a mst cfx dc1 and a element rc ecto and eventually for a scx10 ii
Nice review trying to save money will this fit the Axial Capra?
Yes. 550 motors don't fit the Capra but this is a little shorter than a 550 can motor.
Please do the zip tie test on axe as well. In my experience axe lacks modularity of fusion pro.
I just installed the 2300 fusion in my 79 blazer trx4 how do I get my light kits working since I no longer have the external ESC?
I have quite a few of both of them so simple!
Can you please test the imod9 45kg servo with you equipment.
Thanks
I'm looking forward to this one!
I am wondering if you are familiar with the Firma 2-in-1 Crawler Motor + ESC. I am trying to use a NiMh battery with it for indoor use as opposed to using a LiPo for now. It seems like the motor isn't responding to the NiMh battery, and it shuts down after 30 seconds. Could it be that it needs to be programmed? And that would mean I need to purchase something extra to program it with this motor?
Sorry for the long question... I just wanted to throw this out there in case someone had some info about it!
Hobbywing makes products for spektrum so essentially the spektrum 2in1 is nothing but a fusion inside. Spektrum sells a separate programming card for the 2in1 you'll have to program the motor to run on nimh batteries.
@@ShivamSingh-ud5ik I appreciate that very much. I will need to get myself a programming card. Thank you very much!
I replaced a 1080+540/35t combo with an SE 1800kv on my custom build and wow, it can do things now. Performance boost is incredible and overall predictability of the rig is a new level. I was aware of the fact that SE isn't as good at super low RPMs as Pro, but honestly, do we need them that much? I don't think so. Anyway, I'm amazed with this thing. Hopefully it'll last long, because the biggest downside of Fusion family for me is that all of them are almost non-serviceable.
Very Naice Review!!!! And will both Hobbywing Fusion fit in a TRX without having to change steering servo location?
Yes
@@mcsbikelife3829 Thks! And for a TRX 6 with (in the future) brass 1800kv ou 2300kv? For me torque is the most important!
I've got both, and I way prefer the 2300. It is smoother and slows down more controlled, so less endos.
The 1800 seems more powerful and torquey, which is amazing for the price.
Nice review 👍🍺🇬🇧
I own the standard old-school fusion. I have one of the new pro models and I’ll probably get one of these for my girlfriends rig. These things are amazing and for that price a 1080 and a decent motor is going to cost you about the same money this is kind of a no-brainer.
Bonjour, belle vidéo ! J’ai un Axial capra et un Trx4 bronco et un trx6 g63, je roule actuellement avec des moteur 550 21t, esc Hobbywing 1080 et batterie 3s pour les trois. Vous me conseillé un SE 1200 ou 1800kv ou Pro 2300kv ? Merci
Gutted it isn’t shorter than the SE, need to fit one in my MST Jimny!
Should I get pro or 1200kv for a 1:9 gear ratio crawler?
Or will it become a jumper?
Do you know if you can use a fusion pro and use the Traxxas pro scale light kit on a trx4?
So with this only being fwd/reverse and no brake, what happens when you hit the "break" it goes straight into reverse? Is that something that can be adjusted so you still have that delay like a brake?
it goes directly to reverse, and your truck ends up on its roof. Well, mine does. I way prefer the 2300 and wish I'd paid more for another one.
Whats the best servo for 100 looking one for kraton exb
Can you run an external bec or do you not need to?
r these good for off road buggies too?
So the 1200kv has more torque than the 1800kv and less top speed?
i think this is more suitable for trailing truck. but the fusion pro is for rock crawler
Mine should be here Saturday. Putting it in a budget TRX4 Sport build. I have a high end built TRX4 Sport but I want to compare a budget build to a high cost build.
great project!
I'm looking to upgrade from standard to brushless in my trx4 bronco. Will using the Fusion brushless motor/ESC in the review lose my ability to change modes from Crawl to Trail? Meaning, can the motor drag brake be turned off like standard Traxxas Trail mode ?
@@tikkabrnohello. Did you find the answer to your problem? I need this answer
I think the Hobbywing Konnect was the test run for the fusion SE as it’s hard to get hold of now ..but a lot cheaper than the fusion
How does the $80.00 fit in the Axial 1/10 Capra 4WS?
I was just about to buy a brushed system for a Tanya Jeep YJ roller I stumbled across at an incredible deal.
At this price I could pull the system from a trx4 for the Tamiya and have upgrade for the trx4 🤗🤗
The no brake option kills it for me though. Just not at all scale driving IMO :/
You can brake with it! If you go to 0 throttle it stops instantly and if you ease it off, it stops slowly. You drive!
@@MoppelMat yes understand that lol.
I like using the break with the controller not using solely motor braking. I know it works fine for crawling. I use the mode a lot. I just don’t like it for trail riding, scale driving, etc.
Francis do you have the 1800 se to compare with 1200 se , with only a $10 increase I'm leaning towards the 1800. What's your thoughts?
Most definitely the 1800kv. I'm not really sure yet why one would opt for the 1200
@@RCReviewChannel I was thinking about a 1200kv for my straight axle crawler
I want to get one what is better 1800 or 1200kv its 30€more.
Can I import it directly to South Afrika from Home hobbies.
Great information thankyou
So nice of you
I am building and Rc bulldozer based of the 950k John Deere. It’s going to weigh roughly 50pounds. It will have a 6way blade. It’s 20inches wide
26inches long. And it’s about 12 inches tall. For now I plan on making it fully electronic and later upgrading to hydraulics. Is there a certain size motor and controller or receiver you would recommend on a budget
I have a trx4 21 bronco and for me its a all around truck i bash it slightly and crawl it when i upgraded to the 1800kv fusion se i was dumbfounded i could crawl even slower and the FOC function blew me away i also got way more top speed in 2nd gear
I just put the same one in my trx high trial f150.
Crawls nice and slow up and down everything.
Then you can lock the diffs and do a wheelie.
So, what was your experience in use comparison? Hobbymate is currently holding my money hostage with zero reply to comments in the last 10 days. Ready to use, but wouldn't mind seeing
I love my SE 1300
I’m still waiting for the auto drag brake from the axe to make it into the fusion.
I bought the 1800kv Fusion Pro soon after they were released. My crawler has never performed better. FOC is almost cheating lol it's that good.
If you're thinking to buy this system, do it.. Driving is so much nicer and smoother. All the programming makes a fantastic addition to your crawler I cannot say enough good things.
AND it's quiet!!!
can you still get it to work with the traxxas receiver and transmitter?
@@TylerSL92 Yes you can.
I ordered the 1800kv SE about 2 months ago, when might i receive it?
I ordered mine about them too. I just got it maybe 2 days ago. I'm guessing you will get yours soon.
What kv's does it come
Does it have FOC?
🇩🇰🇩🇰thanks for very good info 🙏🇩🇰🇩🇰
Are any of these 2 in 1 systems powerful or fast enough for a non crawler setup?
Yeah, I think the 2300kv is strong enough for some applications. On 3s, that translates to 29,000 rpm with good torque. The only issue is this Fusions are sensored motors. So it gives up some punch in favor of low speed modulation.
@@RCReviewChannel Isn't it a good thing that it has sensors?
I have both motors. The pro is way better than the SE. But the SE is also good for the buck. I have a problem with the SE, its not recognized by the card or the box. Therefor i can not programm it. My dealer contacted Hobbywing to solve this issue.
Hello. Which one would be best for slowly climbing steep slopes or rocks with the trx-4 defender? se 1800 or pro 2300?
Is this 550 or 540 size ??
The specs on the SE are pretty much the same as the original fusion, Just cheaper and shorter. I replaced an original with one and cant tell the difference in performance.