Selecting A Brushed Speed Controller - ESC Terms to Know & Features To Look For - Holmes Hobbies
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2019
- The days of having to search through tons of brushed speed controllers to find the right one for you is behind us. The brushed ESC selection is much smaller nowadays which makes selection a bit easier, but you still be armed with the knowledge on what to look for. And of course you've come to the right place to find answers. John Holmes of Holmes Hobbies takes a look at some popular ESC's he has experience with and tells you what you should look for when picking a speed control for your trail truck, crawler, basher or other RC rig.
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What i generally look for in an ESC is the "hobbywing" writing on the case 😂
I'm still pretty new to r.c stuff so I just call it the thingamajiger that hooks up to the whatchmacallit and makes the doodad go
Great answer 💯 🤣😂
Not even close. The confuser makes the pixies dance, then it starts choochin'.
@@matthewchin6454 ahaha i see a fellow man of culture
Bro bin into rc years I still use the same terminology as you 😂 🤣
*You'd have to pry my BR-XL from my cold Dead Fingers!!!*
Seriously. It's an ESC that does EVERYTHING I ask of it. My Servos are in the 310-332oz. in. range, and I have yet to feel the need for a BEC!! 😎👍👍
That's not to say I never will. I only run 2S. Sure, I'd love to go 3S... But my non Budget of a Disabled Veteran will never let me..... It's my Cross to bear. Someday I'll be able to.
John, I've always been a fan of your Products!! Mainly because you put thought and Pride into them. And they're just damn good Products.
I've mentioned often, I'm a HUGE Fan of your TorqueMaster Pro, 30 Turn Handwound Motor. Just enough Torque and Speed when I need it! I'm not a Pro Comp Crawler... but that could change. I'm just really happy with what I've got! 😊
Carmine 💥⛽
Thank you for your service sir!
In Portugal the ESC is also known by Variator, there you go!
I'm running a hobbywing 1080 in a trx4 sport. Holme Trailmaster motor and a arrma notorious steering servo. At 7.4v the servo really does perform. Great videos brotha 👌🏽✊🏾💯
Obrigado!
Ive heard about your products before and after seein another youtuber talking about both your 540 trailmaster and the hw1080 i had to go for both since i was building a custom axial scale crawler and i have to say im very pleased with your motor. So pleased i got another one along with the same esc. But your informative discussion about servos did spark interest since i haven't any idea of what to go for till now. Thanks for the info and pinpointing me in the right direction for servos.
That HW1080 seems to work great for me. I have it on my cheap Everest 10 and take it through the creek in my front yard all the time. And yes I have had to kick off my shoes to rescue a few time. Being down south does make this possible 10 months out of the year. Have a great day
Until recently I was running the stock ae-5 esc 3s 35 turn with no issues on a 12+ lbs rig. I’m currently upgrading it with 12v servo, hobbywing 1080 and 13 turn 5 slot motor.
Great video! Keep up the informative vids! You are the Master when it comes to XR10/Berg Comp rigs, you are the master, with your brushed motor choices and ESC's. No one competitive in 2.2Pro is running anything else, maybe an FX-r (smashed/de-cased) in some cases... I love my FX-r's though for all brushed scaler applications, price, speed, programable, I do run a BEC on most crawler apps., it's really a must.
Remember the Tyco Typhoon? I lost one of those in a river. Had to be atleast 25 years ago. There was a shallow crossing roughly 150 yards down stream. Used to lose basketballs and other things, run down stream through the woods and be standing in the river waiting on them. The Typhoon went out of range of the transmitter and stopped responding. But that day the river was faster than I was, by the time I got to the crossing it was already passing by.
You my brother are a fountain of RC knowledge👍🤙
Another great video, John! One thing that you did not bring up, the freewheeling function on the HW1080. It's item 15 in the programming menu Its default setting is disabled, but if you enable it, you can set your drag brake high enough to hold you on a steep incline and use the throttle to drive down the incline, without run a way truck syndrome. My typical setup is a HW1080 with a HH 13t Crawlmaster, on 3s. I pretty much only run 2 servos. The Savox 1230 and a Reefs 422HD. I've ran them with a BEC and without. Even without the BEC, I've never had a brown out and power and speed seem to be the same. Both of those servos have a stall load of 5A and I believe the 1080 has a 6A peak, according to a HW rep I spoke with. I'm sure for longevity, a BEC would be a good option.
Interesting video. For my RC boats, I use ESC's with a minimum of 50% extra current handling capacity. For example, a motor that may pull a max of 60A, I will use an ESC rated at 90A minimum. Peace of mind comes at price, but at it works for me.
Very informative as always John, Thank You! I will be placing an order for a couple of your brushed crawler combos this month!
Just getting into crawling and loving your channel. Soaking in all the info. Just bought a Holmes SVH800 for a belly dragger build I’m planning. Direct power seems the way to go for the high power servos.
I have the Hobbywing 2 in 1 Fusion SE. The internal BEC is switchable from 6V-7.4V and it works great for me, though you would need to run 3s to maintain consistent voltage when running on the 7.4V setting. Found that out when I swapped to a telemetry capable radio on my TRX4.
I run the 1080 ESC with a 36kg servos lights and whinch works fine even with the 550 crawl master pro it's a fantastic set up easy to program it's what I have in all my crawlers rigs
John,
I admire your marketing approach; that being that you don't push your products so hard that it singles out everything else. I love that you're values are set on quality and personal experiences with the client. Maybe this is why we don't see your stuff in RTRs? All that brown nosing out of the way, I only want to buy motors from HH from this point on. Keep up the great leadership level action sir. 👍
I appreciate that! I aim to have the channel be for information and not marketing.
Same John. I spend so much time watching your videos! Still with all I know, I learn stuff from you. Will be picking up a snub nose for my lcg build. I want the weight savings of the snub nose but I'm not a fan of the outrunner screech. Do you offer any of your own ESC with a silent (kinda like blheli or silent assassin) tune?
Well, I can never unsee that intro, thank you
great info john, thank you. i have the brxl with a 27t torque master pro in my 10.2. it's perfect on 3s. my servo is a hi-tec 7955tg which is right around 300 oz/inch. i use an external bec just to be safe. overall i'm very happy with the electronics, although a may upgrade to a stronger water proof servo.
Bro i absolutely love your sense of humor 👍🏻💯
Absolutely love the 550 12t crawl master pro on my new Bronco with a 9t pinion gear. It's amazing!!
Amazing video! Question, I am fairly new to the hobby, I have a Redcat Danchee Ridgerock as my first crawler. I want to upgrade the esc so I can use a radiolink controller. I bought the 880 dual motor esc, but the plugs are 4mm bullet coming out, however, the motor connections on the motors for the Ridgerock (380 I think?) are jst plugs and much smaller wire. Is it safe to connect them given the wire size difference? What would you recommend? Please advise 🙏
Hey John I have a problem my 1080 esc is overheating i am using it with the trailmaster sport 550 27T thats never happened before so my question is if my savox sc-0352
90.3oz of torque @ 6.5 is bad could it be overheating my esc ???
In my latest rig I have
Holmes TorqueMaster pro 40T brushed
Hobbywing 1080c esc
CastleCreation 10c bec (programmed at 6.0)
Reef's triple 4 servo.
My concern is longevity with the current esc but also achieving a smoother initial throttle or control of SLOW crawl. Your Holmes BR-XL intrigues me if it will provide smoother transition from a stopped position to slow controlled crawl?
Thanks
Just found your channel a couple months ago. Thanks for doing very detailed videos explaining as much as you do. Going to order a couple of your brushed motors for my trx4 sports soon. Just need to figure out which one to go with.
I like to run the axial ae-5 esc. Works well for my brushed needs.
Helpful vid as always. I've got a 1080, works well with my PowerHD 20 kg servo but doesn't like the 23 kg version so I'll get an external bec to try with that. One big improvement would be a throttle curve adjustment on it, I think the Holmes escs have that?
Ive been running Power HD WP23 servos with 319oz on your BR XL for around 2 years and on the Hobbywing 1080 for around a year on a SCX10 and SCX10II both on 3s, 1.9 wheels and both trucks are just under 7lbs, the 1080 gets warmer than the BR XL but its still only warm ad no issues.
Found this video when i was looking at the Hobbywing 1080, my TRX4 is 9 days old, and has fried the Traxxas ESC already.
Hey John! Great video and info. I like the techy stuff and talking about it as well.
For me and what I tend to look for when shopping for esc's are cont./peak amperage, I tend to not worry about smoothness if tuning options allow for me to adjust startup characteristics, and voltage handling. I have had really good luck with the hobby wing 1080 on 3s running a jx servo around 280 in/oz of torque I think. Using an axial 35t 540 motor. Very smooth throttle curve and punchy when needed. 3s seems to be my go to as it's a good amount of power and speed.
With servos I find that for most applications 250-350 in/oz is enough. However, I don't sacrifice the response for torque if I can. So I will typically pick the highest amount of torque without sacrificing response speed. Say one servo has 500 in/oz but at a .20 response time and another had 300 in/oz but with a .13 response rate, I'd take the faster servo as long as the torque is sufficient for the weight of the vehicle. With my losi based sportsman rig, I'm going to run a custom wound 540 motor that I bought a bunch of parts from you guys actually, at around 25-30t, hobbywing 1080, Castle bec @ 7.4v, 3s lipo, and a servo with 300+ in/oz and .12 or faster response rate. I expect my truck to weigh about 7 pounds roughly. That's gonna be my go to combination.
As always , very informative video! And I learned a couple things about servo power etc.. thanks to man with the LONGEST SCREWDRIVER 😆😆😆😆😆
HI John, thanks for the video. I’ve just bought the HW 1080 and was looking for a servo upgrade next. Thanks for the advice about nothing over 300oz without BEC. I was about to buy one over 300oz and just run it on the hw1080 at 7.4v. I think I may go for the 3 Brothers G11 that wires directly to the LiPo. It uses 11-14v but draws no more than 1-2amps. Have you used any 3 Brother servos?
Hey john!! I regards to the quicrun 1080 esc. I run 4ws with no external bec. I have the 25kg annimos servos front and rear and it does wonderful. Never had an issue with brown outs or anything. Very happy with it. It has a setting for bec 1 is 6.0v and 2 is 7.4v. I have it set on 2 for more power to my servos and it seems to perform great.
I'm using HW 1080 and a 20kg cm servo. Runs fine with it. Another similar servo is used for winching and it can use both for that short winching and turning moments.
Love your video very informative.... Kind of new to rcing and was given a monster truck looks to be around 8th scale and want to up grade and this video of all that i seen lol is the best and now i can finish KONG as i call him... Thank you again love it👋👋👋👋👋👋✌✌✌✌🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I love the 24 scale iguana ESC. The Bluetooth allows me to draw my own throttle curve which is the big game changer.
I'm trying the BR Mini at 3s in a 4.6 pound rig. Mainly for friendly comps. Looking forward to testing it out and seeing how it performs!
How did it work.out for you... I just got a truck with the br mini in it without a external bec and it shuts done sometimes on me and the lipo is st 63 percent...
Thank you sir. Always very informative.
Thanks for another great video. I just received my 1080esc and Holmes crawlmaster sport 12t, for my scx10 II. still waiting on my new soldering iron. But I'm planning on running them on 3s. And I still have the factory tactic servo in place. But we will see how long that lasts since I just added a lot of brass and steel to my rig. Thanks again for the great, relaxing, and informative videos.
The big craze today is using an ESC to control the speed of a trolling motor mounted on a kayak. There are many videos out there using the Hobbywing 880 and a servo tester to control the direction and speed. I purchased the above products to build my own, but the ESC voltage input wires are16 gauge. My trolling motor can draw up to 40 amps, so I am concerned about connecting an 8- or 10-gauge wire to the 16-gauge wire and cranking the motor up to draw those high amps for a period of longer than a few minutes. Is my thinking correct? Thanks for any input.
I'm running the hobbywing 1080 with a reef RC triple four 444oz servo. Just for extra piece of mind I put a little Savox glitch Buster just to be safe. Speed and torque seem to be on par.
Is it necessary to have a ESC on each motor or one ESC can be wire to both motors on the same side of the RC truck? Please and thanks
So do you think a mamba x should run an external bec for a 500 oz/in servo? I know it’s got an 8a rated bec.
I’ve been running a Sidewinder 3 with a external BEC with no problem at all but I’m ordering the Torquemaster BR-XL next Friday. For my Scx-10 and Crawlmaster Sport brushed motor
I’ve ran a Tekin T-35 Heavy Duty motor the last couple years and it’s time to change up a few things
I have 2 set's of Novak Goat 2s brushless ESC and motor combo running in my Gmade Stealth crawler moa super class back from 2009. And always looking to improve. 🤙🏻🔥😎🔥👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So i have an old (2001 nikko iron eagle) rc car that needs full replacement on the electronics, im just not too sure on what to get. Probably the most difficult thing is that it uses 2 large individual motors for the front and rear wheels and a massive servo for steering system.this has given me a better idea on what i need but i would like your recommendations on this
I have a Gen 7-8 one has brush and the 7 is brushless will the esc front the brushed work on the brushless
Will a 1080 be ok with a torquemaster expert 550 27t wanted a br mini but have not been able to catch them in stock
is there a limit to the amount of batteries you can use with an esc? for example if i have a 6s esc can i use as many battery packs as i want?
I’m running a hobby wing 880for my dual motor four wheel steering Rockcrawler seems to work pretty good might ruin a BEC once I upgrade the steering servo‘s so they can handle a little more voltage. But this thing seems to handle 3S on twin 550 canyons pretty well
Can I use a brushed esc (like the ones shown) on a 1/10 on road touring sedan? I have an old hpi rs4 rally (belt driven) chassis I want to revive. I’m not too concern about speed just smooth acceleration, I’m just worried I might snap a drive belt with brushless power since it’s close to impossible to get replacement drive belts for it.
I use a Hobbywing Quicrun WP and it powers my PowerHD LW-20MG(no external BEC) just fine when the wheels get in a tricky spot.
I’ve used the mamba micro x and mmp for brushed and they both worked amazing
Appreciate you sharing thinking about getting the BR-XL which motor would be best for my TRX4 1979 ford bronco with this ESC
trailmaster sport 21t 550 is really nice as a similar to stock. I would personally use a 10t crawlmaster pro 550 if sticking with brushed.
I have 4 fxr's and love them. I have only 1 bec and it is because I am running a pig of a savox in her. I only ran savox for a while until recently. I know am trying the market, yours will be next john, but for now I grabbed a 3brothersrc G12, and just ordered a reefs 555.
Hi, thumbs up for great explanation. but i hv a question. i be been using hobbywing 1060 for 2 different motor. one is 370 27000 rpm and the other one is 370 50000, running on 2s 3000 mah 60c battery. why the high rpm motor is easy to everheating?
Hi I’m after one for a brushed motor for an electric skateboard the motor is very large what would you think would be best
Can u get the 1080 with battery and motor connections already installed? I’ve never soldered anything before and don’t want to screw anything up
Hope you can help me, I pulled my old Traxxas villain Iv boat. I plan to upgrade motors with the titan550. Wonder which esc can run both motors (boubleway/dual) and also can run with lipo. I’m new this will be my first time upgrades a rtt rc. Please help!!
Hi, just wanted to ask is it ok for me to use a high voltage 320a ecs with bec 5.6v and ubec input voltage 6-16v on my crawler with a 55T crawler motor? i am afraid of burning my motor and i am also planning to install a 25kg. hi torque servo as well.. kindly advice me.
Thank you
Also same question for my 4.04lbs which I apologize was going to get the new Holmes hobby motor lol. The 8lbs rig tekin 35t is a good motor but still want to know if I need a bec. With the 80.A hobbywing esc cheerz.
I have the quick run 1080. I have it programmed for 6V bec. I run a 35kg servo and it runs it along with my 6V servo winch and dig micro servo just fine. My rigs are trail trucks and not specifically rock crawlers although I do take them in creeks often.
I clip the mounting tabs off XL-5s and run them in my vintage restos.
It's funny what a little perspective will do.
I'm converting a hsp nokier 1/8 from nitro to electric, i have a 550 35T and a 550 27T brushed motors, planning on running 2-3s lipo and are now looking for a good ESC to go with that, price range around 0-40$. Any suggestions? :)
Hello I’m new to the rc game and I have a scx24 that just currently fried up and I found out it was the receiver and esc and I’m looking for a replacement but don’t know exactly what I need… Just wondering wear to go because the original is on backorder everywhere thanks
I run separate 6 cell Ni-MH for each esc which happen to be Novak Super Roosters along with 2 - Hi-tec HS-5645MG servos. Since I bought your crawlmaster pro motors & did away with my 66:1 reduction units my 1:6th krawler does not hold. I'm using the smallest pinion which is 11T & I'm looking for a way to hold like it did. What are your recommendations?
I'm also using a non-digital stick radio (which I need stick & at least 4 channel if not 8) I'm not sure if you need to change the radio out. I see a lot has changed since the early days.
i'm planning to build my own electric skateboard and this video is very helpful to me i have many questions to ask you hope to do so after i start building it.be gentle with me i really need every instruction
I run the quickrun 1080 on my trx4 sport(moded) and my axial wraith 1.9 . Using the hitec ultra torque servo and servo that came with the sport. I set both esc to 7.4 volt bec and they seem to be pretty good. Haven't had an issue with torque or lack of. My TRX 4 sport is nearing 8 lbs if it hasn't passed that weight already.
Great info. Thanks
Dous it matter if I use a street esc for my crawler motor I wanna get some extra speed of it or do I have to use a crawler esc for my crawler motor
I have a 25kg servo in my redcat gen8 and I believe that equals 347oz inches of torque. Stock esc and the servo doesnt feel all that powerful to be honest, is that due to the bec not giving enough volts to be sufficient for my needs?
I'm running a savox 1230sg on one rig and an mks hv777a+ on another with 1080 esc. The 1230 is set at 6v, the mks is set at 7.4v. I'm running a spektrum radio and have not experienced any brown outs. I do prefer an external Bec but the 1080 has proven to be pretty robust.
I running the 1080 ESC with the sevox servo 1210sg all on 3s power .i like the set up so far running in the wraith 2.2
That little Quicrun there is a nice ESC. Very worth the ~$45 it costs. Had it for a short bit in my Granite 4x4 before going to brushless recently. It was decidedly over-sized for a 12t 550. Got warm to the touch with no fan even just hanging on full throttle. Tons of adjustability using the little programmer card that it comes with. Neat thing is that the little programming card works for other ESCs of all kinds often times. I use it for my BLX100.
Thank you your comment proves I can try to use the HW 1080 on my Arrma Senton brushed version. Did your Granite run without issues with the 1080 ?
Going to do a new build, and looking into electronics. Probably going to use a 16t 5slot, not sure which servo, some lights, 3s setup...and maybe 2 extra micro servos if it ends up being the new SCX10 III kit. I am trying to decide which "speedo" to use, between the HW 1080, and the Tekin BXR ... my FXR/55t has been rock solid on 3s(with a BEC) , and a Hitec 333oz/in TG servo, for about 12 years now.
Watched an ae5 crap out and take off over the side of a 30 ft quarry wall into a swimming hole.he fished it out with rope and the claw of a hammer. I had a 1060 running reefs 422 at 6v. Had no issues running 3s.
i have a tamiya TEU103BK esc, can i run a 3s lipo battery with it? planning to use it for a 370 motor crawler project
Thanks!!
Where did you buy that screwdriver?
Im currently running a Tekin RX8 gen3 and T8 motor sensored on 3s in my RR10 bomber, silky smooth and great drag brake.
I need a esc that can give a lot of power to a stronger servo with having to use a external bec. What would you recommend
How strong of servo are you using, and what did you end up with?
alot of the guys i see on youtube run rx8 with one of your motors. or the 1080 with one of your motors seems to be best for any crawler application. which one of your motors would pair best with 1080 on 3s?
Im running the quicrun crawler ESC with a Savox sv-1270tg servo H.H. trail master sport 27t and a winch and haven't had no lack of power but I'm not exactly sure how many oz of torque that servo has it was just on sale at my LHS and the guy recommend it so I went with it haven't had no issue I like the ESC just because the program card makes it easy to tune on the trail and play around with settings
What battery connection does it come with deans or what?
I am running the Hobbywing 1080 with the bec set to 6.0v in my TRX-4 for the diff lock and shift servos. I have an external BEC dedicated solely to the steering servo. The reason for this set up is because experience has shown that the shift and diff lock servos don't appreciate 7.4v and have shown dramatically shorter life.
I have a question I just installed the GT Power Pro with built-in esc and Bluetooth lights engine sound Vibration
I built a WPL c24 truck all Metal upgrades put about $230 in it and ran a esc out of my Traxxas Bigfoot for about a month worked excellent
The "John Holmes' of esc's and electric motors 3rd leg and hands down lmao. On a more serious note don't take this guy's info to a grain of salt bc HE DEFINITELY KNOWS HIS SHIT..dudes wicked smart. He will get you where you need to be.
The hobbywing 1080 has a selectable internal BEC 6v or 7.4v, with the program card. More than enough for the servo i use. 17kg servo. PowerHD. I run it in my wraith set up with a 35t heavy-duty tekin motor. Love the hobbywing stuff.
I eliminated the need for a BEC with the Holmes BLS SHV500v2 Brushless 12V. Runs directly off the battery.
Also used to run the 1080 on my vaterra twin hammers abs that worked really well back then but it did not come with the program card then so I can't say for sure what all my settings were.
Thanks John. Your video showed me I have no idea of what is going on with the ESC's. I am looking to use it for a trolling motor on a Kayak. I don't know if you are still monitoring this video for comments.
There are several videos out using the HW1080 for 30lb trolling motors. You recommended an external VEC for anything over 300 in lbs? Might you have any suggestions on this matter. The motors are approximately 20-25 amps at full throttle. The PWM's that I have been using are pretty cumbersome don't last more than a season or so. I have purchased 2 HW1080's. I am setting one up for remote control and the other for a wired control w/servo. Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated.
I think you are on the right track. the hobbywing will heat soak really fast though, so mount it where there is some airflow and use the biggest wires you can. and when testing at first, go up river first so you can float down if it fails!
Do you have a guide on just the Holmes hobbies models? I looked couldn't find anything. Curious about the programming part of it
Brilliant. But I want to know. What do I need to change in my car that uses only nimh to make it able to take lipo...thank you.
A new ESC that is lipo capable.
I generally never do this which brings the question, if I run a brushed esc on3s at only 50 to 75% for extended periods of time, like in a paddle wheel boat, will the esc overheat? the motor is a small 12v 540 size with very little load.
If the bec is only running the receiver, no servo, would the br mini still need an external bec?
I've eliminated all my external bec's by using spektrum S6230 servos. 6v max, 311oz-in torque. Amazing servo, I highly recommend them.
Is there anyway you could put a link tocthose servos up?
@@jahmenrcbuildingasone4254 here's the link... www.horizonhobby.com/s6230-digital-surface-servo-spmss6230
Would I need a bec for a reefs triple 4 If I get the BL XL?
Hello my friend, First of all i want to tell you that I am a fan of all your articles, servo, motor, esc, etc... and I equip all my crawlers with your equipment. Could you help me with some explanation for programming my mini dual brushed esc please? thanks
Which ESC is best for RC Dumper Truck.
I run 2s to preserve my motor and esc life. I have the 2 speed trx4 so I have the speed when I want it and I rarely notice a need for more power.
u can run 3s just fine. going up on the battery power does not cause the life of the motor or esc to diminish in that truck. i have a trx4 thats been owned by 4 people over 4-5 years and has been a competition crawler for all of us. its never seen one 2s battery and had stock everything till i had it
What is the best esc for a scx24 axial (rubicon) upgrade?..