Does size matter? Comparing four generations of Garrett Turbos.
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Size doesn't always matter when it relates to turbochargers. In this video we do a side by side comparison with Garrett's old but very common T Series (T3/T4) turbo, to the GT Series, GTX Gen2 Series and the new G Series turbo's. Comparing four popular generations of Garrett turbos. As you can see you can get a turbo that can pack a very large punch in a very small package.
If you're looking to purchase a turbo and need some assistances on what's right for your application. Be sure to drop us an email and we can assist.
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I went from a GT30 to a GTX30 gen 2. Gain 500 rpm of spool and 100+ HP at the same PSI.
Yeah very good increase in that model for sure. The gtx3071 is a great turbo.
So this genuinely confuses me from a thermodynamics standpoint. If the boost pressure is the same, intake temperature is the same, the only difference could be resistance in the exhaust to spin the turbo....? Flow into the engine shouldn't change if it's just a turbo swap...how is there a HP gain? Is it just that the larger turbos at the same PSI are generating that much less heat, a bit less resistance due to more advanced technology in the turbine?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 it's pumps more air, more flow, less resistance. So although similar size it's design design makes it work like a large pump.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 on GT/GTX turbine is the same, like a 30R. Compressors on the GTX are the ones that become more efficient. On the G series, both turbine and compressor wheel are more efficient. Meaning they are smaller, and are way more efficient at higher boost levels compared to old version. Efficient turbine = less energy required, efficient compressor = less friction, less heat, more flow mass rather than PSI
@@luispadilla1675 the struggle I have though is if your intercooler is functioning properly the temperature shouldn't be drastically different so efficiency is a fairly moot point at least from a temperature standpoint. Less drag on the motor seems to make sense, but once again I would think that's a pretty marginal amount. 100+ HP seems pretty drastic. I guess it's just the sum of all those things adding up though.
I think my main concern is the engine *shouldn't* be actually "consuming" more air at the same boost levels, correct? There is no additional air in/out, it's just a "more efficient" process which makes the power?
I want to add a turbo into my 12v vr6 jetta what would u recommend since as u stated space is a huge factor
This guy is super comfortable speaking on camera. Very well done video 👏🏼
Lol fool ya, not comfortable at all. There's endless outakes and redos. Haha
Looking for a turbo upgrade for Honda civic hatchback fn3 i-ctdi diesel. suggestion ?
Thank you for this video. It's amazing how technology has improved turbos.
No problem. The replacement for displacement is a new tech turbo. :)
@@COMotorsports Hello friends. I want to hear from you. Which of these 4 turbo models is compatible with my Ford Focus RS 2017?
please help me.
i know Im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to log back into an Instagram account?
I was stupid forgot the account password. I would love any tips you can offer me!
@Xzavier Adonis instablaster :)
What size turbo should I get for my audi a4 b6 1.8t looking for 300+ building a fun daily
my ej207 runs a GT28/60 disco potato model = 365hp std cams = 565cc injectors big exhaust - about 300hp at 3,500 rpm = 8,200 rpm limit - club members saying i am more about 380 hp - they are running 400+ hp and i am never left behind .
What would you suggest for me trying to get 750 horsepower out of a 3.5 twin 6 Cylinder ecoboost
Once I’m done my mk5 fsi awd I’m definitely thinking of building the engine and going gt3076r. Definitely going to get it from you guys
Much appreciated. We can certainly help.
Cool video thanks! Will the G30-770 be the best option for my 06 WRX STI with 600 whp? I want extra head room and fast acceleration
did you get one?
I was told the way you know you picked the right turbo is if you're struggling to make it fit in the engine bay...then you got the right one 👍
Lol, good thought but not everyone wants/needs all the power. Really comes down to what the cars being used for. But I like your thinking. 👍
Rb20 neo wanting a ta3420 Ar.70 front 48 rear? What do ya think
Awesome video BTW, that huge precision you have for that class, would they go to the extent in measuring your wheel sizes to make sure you have messed with it or put larger wheels in there?
At that event most definitely, it's part of teching the car in for the event. They also do sporadic checks during the event.
@@COMotorsports very cool. Never heard anything like that before
@@MattBerrymotorsport It is considered "World Cup Finals" so competing on a global scale rules need to be enforced as much as they can.
Great video.
Hey there. I’m looking to build my 1.8t in the coming season for street use. I’ve looked at tons of different turbo options, but could definitely use your opinion. Looking to make around 300hp on lower boost and 450-500hp on higher boost level. Recommendations for a turbo suitable for this application?
Drop us an email with the specs of your build, and what you plan on doing with the vehicle and we can help you source a turbo to meet your goals.
Recently purchased a garrett gt35 for my hayabusa running at max 20 psi with ams to keep things controllable.
Thanks for the info .
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Glad to help.
I'm curious, what are the wheel size comparisons on those four? If they all had similar housings would they have similar boost threshold and response but different power?
These are all different wheel sizes which is why they're labelled differently. However if they were all the same wheels and just different turbine housing they would spool differently and make different power at the same boost levels.
Im running a G25-660 on my mk6r golf with external gate. Its a awesome street turbo. Quick spool time and sounds like a old hks T51r. Currently building my spare motor fully forged and thinking of moving up to a g30-770 for a bit more power as i think the 660 would start to struggle a bit once pushed. Id rather the 770 running at like 80% instead of the 660 running at 100%
Ive always ran Garret. They are loud proud and pound out some power. Sold it but hadf an 04 STI with a Crawford block blah blah blah was over 400whp and it had a GT30R series in it with a smaller .63 ar hotside. Looking back I would have went with a .82ar instead for increase exhaust flow and more mid to high end power. Now I have a 05 SG6 Forester with IAG stuff in it and a little smaller 18G in it.
Hard to beat a Garrett for sure.
I'm looking for a pair of turbos for a 3.2 vr6 24v twin turbo build; target hp is 500, but having potential for ~600 would be good (limiting factor is the clutch).
I was considering a pair of gtx2860r gen2 turbos but would appreciate any helpful suggestions...
Gtx2860r makes 300 to 375 rwhp on 1.6litres
For only 600 you might as well just use a single turbo with a Y pipe to join the cyl banks
I was thinking of going for old school gt3582r on my vr6 12v. 0,82A/R. Aiming for minimum 500whp. Do you recomnend a better alternative on the GTX or G series?
Better than Garrett, not IMO. They're the most reliable turbos we've used over the past 17 years.
Put a GTX3071R Gen2 on my 1.8T stroker build. Nasty spool ☠️. Still working on dialing it in w/ MBC.
Chuck the MBC in the trash. 😉
Ha! Been told that before. I’m running it in conjunction w/ N75. Using my stock ECU, I’d have to to jump to aftermarket to eliminate MBC(?). It’s a United Motorsports tune w/ are highly recommended in my area. Why do YOU say toss the MBC? Is it for several reasons? Like I’m unable to completely mash the gas pedal w/o it 1st igniting the tires then w/in second(s) go straight to wastegate. I’ve really got NO control. I’m running @15-18lbs boost(too much maybe) & I’ve really got to pedal the shit out of it to get it to hook up. I’ve got over $20,000 into a car that I’ve got for absolutely nothing and was just trying to keep some cost down but I think this is one expense I’ll have to succumb to? Not sure......🤷♂️
@@neildantino4709 You get what you pay for as you say. If you understand from the money you have into the car that doing this stuff isn't cheap. A MBC is a band aid in most applications, especially where boost control is vital to drivability and protecting the engine. Since most MBC can cause large spikes in boost or erratic control it typically isn't going to be the best solution... not even close.
To answer your question, yes a proper EBC will work with your application. Just disconnect the vacuum lines to your N75 and keep it electrically plugged in. And use a EBC to control boost. Or get your tune worked to use the N75 to give you the control you want. We use EBC on most builds so we can control boost as we want. Whether its boost per gear, boost per RPM, or boost per MPH. Way more perks, control, and fail safes using an EBC over a MBC.
@@COMotorsports 2port? 3port? AEM decent, who do you prefer? I’m in Saco, ME. Not too far from you, I’ll swing by! 😜 I wish.
How much power?
I have a Full bolt on B8 audi A4 how would I get in conact with someone about turbo options for my car?
Email
What turbo and manifold would you recommend for a stock lower end b5 aeb 1.8t Passat. For a budget 280-300hp build. With a 630cc/vr6 maf housing off the shelf stage 3 tune from reflect tuning. 557p ecu.
gtx 3071
Budget? Gt2871 will support your goals, and more..More money? Go Gen2 gtx2867. Any bigger for your goals would introduce far more lag without any tangible gain; unless you want to run 1000 cc injectors, cams, and start rethinking other parts of the build, such as intake manifold, etc
Nice
Hello friends. I want to hear from you. Which of these 4 turbo models is compatible with my Ford Focus RS 2017?
please help me.
All with a proper manifold and downpipe to match.
Currently running a gtx3071 gen2 on a mk5 looking to upgrade to g30-770 or g30- 900 but don't want it to laggy how would they compare to my current turbo.
Have no dyno experience with the G series yet. However typically the more power you want the laggy it's going to get... it's the nature of the game. However the best chance you're going to have keeping spool is going to be with a G series.
if you want the fastest spool go wit the g30-770... but if you want extra room for growth when you go e85 n big boost... g35-900. Whats your end power goal? the 770 is rated at “770” but in reality it kinda tops out at the 600-650ish range from alot of dyno vids n runs ive seen. So if you trynna make like 750+ whp... you wanna select a g-series that is rated at 900+. Going anything bigger like a g42 or even g35-1050, most those top FD guys they start using nitrous to spool it up faster. But tl;dr. If its a fast lil street toy choose g30-770... if you want somethin bigger skip g30 and go straight to g35-900.
ATP even makes an aftermarket twinscroll housing for g35-900/1050 now !!! Im mad it takin my fabricator so long to fabricate my manifold (he used a v-band still since g-series from factory only have v-band option...) ATP even came up with a t4 divided aftermarket option before the dude is even done fabricating 🤬🤬🤬 LOL FAWK. So now i might have to sell the manifold once it arrives 😤😤😤. The only plus side of those vband is no need turbo manifold inlet gasket and they almost will never come loose (no worries of 4 nuts coming loose on a t4)... but at the cost of not having twinscroll which is a helpful spool aid.
vary good
but you should compare it in efficiency
the gt3582r is the most efficiency map Turbo
Great video....I have a gt3582 journal bearing on my zx11....microsquirt v3 running it ,on custom efi...1:1 regulater...not much room between turbo and front wheel...lol....so these smaller/yet more eff, is cool....Its cost holding me back on the newest g series....but may upgrade to a gtx3076
They are pricey for sure but guys have been having great results with them. I will add, the G series are quite a bit heavier due to the center section.
@@COMotorsports thanks...I didnt kniw the were heavier...since im on a motorcycle, not wanting more....but I can make a support bracket....but run a gtx first
@@mokokawi The gen2 GTX's are very nice, compact and make the jam.
Question i have a car with twin turbo settup with it own oil pan,61mm t3/t4 garrett could you tell me wich oil i should put in
Lots to consider, manufacture requirements, climate, what the vehicles being used for and a handful of other things.
@@COMotorsports used in a jeep srt 6.4, part # 715583-5007
I run a on my 1.8t atc 5858 gen2 BB what can I get to spool 500rpm quicker without losing boost at high rpm
Depends on manifold, turbine housing, HP etc.
I have audi a5 coupe 2.0tfsi quattro
I have rebuild forges engine + methanol kit with Borgwarner K04-64 turbo but i am not happy with this turbo..i want to get bigger turbo like g25-550 to achieve 450hp..what do you think ?
Good turbo if that's your overall end goal for power
Hi i would like to ask some question!!!
I'm building a Golf MK6 R with a EA113 Gen2 Engine street car am buying a Garrett 3076R Turbo Ar 63 will cause my car to lag alot and approximately how many HP will i be able to push out of? As my car is fully build with fuelling, meth and forge internal. I'm trying to push for 600++bhp is it possible? Please help first time doing a build
On the GTX Gen 2 3076 you'd could make 600whp with it, not gonna happen on the standard version. You biggest issues on that setup is fueling.
So any recommendations on what to use for a 3.6?
Not a straight forward answer. It all comes down to what the vehicles being used for, and what your power goals are. A turbo for a drag car, street car or drift car are a lot different.
@@COMotorsports well its my v6 challenger and I'm thanking about boosting it, it makes 305 chp and I'd like to push it to the 400s
My turbo is better than any turbo you carry! Comp Turbo...... and will make more power than any turbo you carry🤦🏼♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dave I’m just kidding. By the way I found a head by the way.
Viewers please be aware I’m joking and it’s a inside joke. Listen to Dave he is very knowledgeable and knows his stuff!!!!🤟🏼💪🏼
😁 Don't forget at less boost and crappier fuel Lol. Oh I like what I'm reading. 👍
Currently running an Owen developments reworked gt3586 on a fully built rb25, full boost by 4krpm 650whp 550ftlbs, would I be able to get the same power and faster spool on a g30-900?
There's two versions of the g30-900 one would spool quicker.
@@COMotorsports any idea which is the faster one I should begin researching?
What is the best trubo for a 03 saab 9-3 2.0L
Not a straight forward answer. Depends on power goals, and what the vehicle is going to be used for.
N54 3 liter full e85 650-700 whp 7k rpm redline, tubular vband manifold 45 mm wastegate . 3.5 inch exhaust … G30-900 or g35-900 ?? What sounds better ? And what ar housing
great videos guys, very educational for everyone and their "big turbo" cars haha! jokes
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback. Big turbo all the cars. :)
Garett is the only way to go I’ve ran a first gen gt3582r journal bearing as my first turbo that’s on my prelude for 8 year with no coolent never Had an issue not once s then I upgraded to gtx3076r gen 1 and it made more power on less boost then it’s bigger brother and an amazing spool rate and it just plain sounded amazing now I have a gtx3582r gen 2 I’m shootings for around a bit over 700 to the wheels I got the .82 housing and the 1.06 just in case I wanna run it out a bit further but I wanted a turbo to spool at a good rate on pump gas around 500 whp for street driving and then still work for higher numbers on ethanol if and when I ever go for more the gtx3584rs will be my next turbo for sir I’ve always loved the gt line they have never let me down it’s true you get what you pay for in turbos
Agree in every way. 👍
Almost as many turbos just laying around there as my shop has. My boss has 88mm turbos sitting around like potted plants.
Garrett has some big turbos too. Maybe do comparison with G42 and G57 :)
They most definitely do. This wasn't about comparing big turbos... this was simply showcasing how things have changed in the last 20+ years of turbo technology.
I got the large G42 but with compact body to try fit it in the rx7 chassis with a 20b lol
I'm new to Turbo talk so what size turbo would be good for a SOHC Honda engine. I was looking at some T3/T4 turbos but now swaying towards the GTX line for size and performance. I plan on getting forged internals and upgraded fuel setup. This car will be primarily a daily so about 4 of 7 days a week I'd drive, but I'm looking for big end power over torque. I want a good amount of power across tha band and not fall off.. I'd say about 500-600whp for a Honda as an extreme daily but enough to be safe.
The Engine is rare and will require alot of custom parts but I'm up for the challenge, already set up for e85 just need to build the block which will happen later. Engine: 2.3l SOHC Vtec F23A1. If anyone is willing to help out source a few options for a turbo I'd appreciate it.
What makes you think the f23a1 is a rare engine?
@@rwdimpreza2.533 Not meaning rare as in OEM applications for rebuilding.. rare to get aftermarket support! I remember looking up stuff whenever i got the car for the 1st time because i was curious if worth building (any car can be with enough dedication) but for like K series support platform its alot different, before the EPA ban bs i do remember seeing quite the bit of support for the car engine mod wise and not needing so much custom work done but so much has slowly fell off the market and is no longer made.
Where do the gen 1 GTX3071 etc fall?
If you're referring to physical size. Basically the same as the GT, but a bit smaller since it's a 3071 compared to the 3582 that's shown.
which turbo would make 1400 hp on a ls3 engine with all upgraded guts: billet crank , dyers rods, diamond custom 2k pistons, darton sleeves...
How many HP Do i can get with a garrett GT37???
Depends on brand, version, AR. If it's a genuine Garrett then just look it up on their site.
That gt3582r is T3 flanged, not t4...
That 3584rs is actually the basis for the gSeries... Which has already been replaced with the g35-1050...
The reason that 6785 looked soo big is because of that 85mm turbine... Thats gtx45 sized,... Of course its gonna look huge...
That being said would love a g35-900 vs 78•64s vs 6262 shootout being showcased on your channel...
Unless you already have that dyno data
Send us in a 7864 vband and we'll do the comparison. We have a 6262, and g35-900 ready to go.
For some reason i remember hearing you carried Xona as well... I have the smaller 71•64s, so it would probably be out performed within that bunch
@@mushasho We do, that doesn't mean we have one on the shelf we can chuck on a car and abuse for fun. lol
As a vendor tell Robert to send you a loaner for science.. 😂
So this is going to sound totally off the wall, but you know what I wanna see? A custom done Bugatti Chiron with two twin-scroll Garrett G45-1500's and equal length 8-4-2 headers on each side that are set up for as close to perfect scavenging as you can get. And then run the exhausts from each turbo into a massive 2-1 tailpipe with a long crossover/blend section. Yeah, basically I want a 3000-WHP Chiron with "instant" spool. I don't even care if I own it, I just wanna see if anyone has the balls to do it. Then put like 355mm slicks all round on it in the tiniest effort to grip.
Damn those are big. Is there anything you recommend thats smaller? Just need 200 hp increase.
Depends on engine size, rpm, fuel, and overall power goals. A 200hp increase is a lot on a 80hp engine, not so much on a 500hp engine.
@@COMotorsports well everyone is able to get 400-500 hp on a d16y8 engine. But I only looking for 220whp.
The Gen 1 Gtx3582r is rated at 75lbs per minute.
I don't believe there were any gen1 turbos in this video. T series, GT series, GTX gen 2, and G series.
would love an oldschool to4e/66 there for comparison 70+lbs per minute , very similar in physical size.. old school tech but pumps the newer gt35 as far as hp rating, the newer gtx turbo's are a big upgrade though!
PSI =per square inch = are you totally dumb ?
Which one fits my cavalier?
All of them
One does not handle a turbo without spinning the wheel for no reason
Very true
Hi my name is wally I am looking for a borgwarner s488sxe with a 1.15 a/r
wish you would have went over pricing
These retail from about $700usd to $4000usd.
It would be nice if the camera man could focus on the turbos close up while the explosion is given.
There's always something to improve on.
@@COMotorsports
Explanation sorry.
I do love the content so please keep it coming.
Running my first Garrett turbo (GTX 3582r gen 2) and it's laggy :/. Full boost at 5500 rpms
All comes down to flow, displacement, and how high you can rev whatever engine you have it on.
@@COMotorsports 2.4l, srt4. Spools slower than my old 6466 (4500rpm spool)
I just got a gtx3076r gen 2, I have a precision 6165s old ass turbo and big as hell compared to the gtx3076r
Great choice. Love those.
@@COMotorsports I'm hoping it as good as I hear, also wanted to ask you have you ever used Brian crowler cams or valve springs?
@@beefysghost867 not specifically in any of our builds.
@@COMotorsports ok, I haven't seen any real good reviews on them or much info.
Just go with whats known cat cams and supertech valves
@@beefysghost867 good combo 👍
You should it throw the price mine as well 1 k 2 ks 3. 5 ks
Has anyone ever run compounds on a 1.8t ?
I'm sure somewhere, but there's no real point as there's generally an easier way to reach HP targets. Wow factor just means more money, more trouble shooting and things to fix.
@@COMotorsports that's what I thought, I could not image how tight all of the equipment would have to packed in to make it work
Harrison young I'm guessing your also building a 1.8t, I've got a yellow 20th n I'm on the hunt for 500ish whp
@@mikefoster4105 yeah, I like to dream about making high horsepower numbers someday 😂. My goal for now is to get my jetta to a point where it would be able to handle even a little bit of power
Remember boys, its not small, its cute!
It might be thin, but it sure is short.
I want to see somebody use a 3776, 78 or 82. Ever since I heard Precision or Garrett had a 37 mm exhaust turbine I've been dying to see someone use 1 or 2. Maybe 2 on a 4.8LS or 1 on a Honda K or B. Just to see the potential.
I need a bigger turbo for a 20’ Jetta 1.4t.
Trade it for a 2.0t. 👍
@@COMotorsports ahh never thought of that
Shop number? Need a cartridge for my Garrett
email and contact on our website.
"GTX Gen2 Series and the new G Series turbo's"
Apostrophes don't make words plural. This should read "GTX Gen2 Series and the new G Series turbos"
Trolling CZcams for spelling errors. lol Thanks though.
Of course size matters... Didn't you just tune a bone stock high mileage 1.8 T ..big turbo....566 hp over 500 ft lbs toque....lol
Very nice 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️
So the g series turbos are all very band fitting to the manifold ? Well that sucks when you have a stainless manifold with a t3 flange
@@naserihsan3759 no they are not. They're available in all the standard housings as well. We're just building new manifolds for those applications so we went with the vband housing.
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haha crys in ct15b
Uh?
Stock Toyota turbo
Hey there. I’m looking to build my 1.8t in the coming season for street use. I’ve looked at tons of different turbo options, but could definitely use your opinion. Looking to make around 300hp on lower boost and 450-500hp on higher boost level. Recommendations for a turbo suitable for this application?
We can certainly supply a turbo to meet your goals. Drop us an email with specs of your build, power goals and what you plan to do with the car and we can hammer out the turbo to fit the needs.