🧙 Why House of the Dragon dethroned the Long Night | GOT Prequel News
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- What happened with the Game of Thrones prequel shows?! The canceling of the Jane Goldman's Long Night, why Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik's House of the Dragon got picked up, and also give some insights into what you should expect from House of the Dragon. Besides lots and lots and lots of dragons.
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To be fair we will get a couple of Starks on screen, with Cregan Stark and his sister Sara Snow, and the former will play a pretty important part in the end of the conflict with the Hour of the Wolf. (They could maybe even do a subplot and expand on Cregan's trouble with his uncle as well as Northern politics at the same time as they set the stage for the Dance with the years leading up to it in the first few seasons, making him somewhat of a main character to balance the Targaryens and everything else down south).
I'd also like to commend you on a very informative video. It didn't provide me with any really new information, but it's probably one of the only places with all of it laid out comprehensibly (the notablog posts) without any speculation that other channels and most online sites have.
Additionally, the information is presented in a very balanced manner, and although I suspect we have quite different opinions regarding the last few seasons, and our preferred prequel idea, I felt you highlighted very well many of the reasons why I am more keen for House of the Dragon than Bloodmoon in an impartial way.
Absolutely, love to see the Jace and Sara Snow meeting as well as the expanded Hour of the Wolf that Martin gave in Fire and Blood.
Love this comment, exactly what I was going for! Not trying to engage in the wild speculation out there or coloring what I think happened with which prequel I would like to see most. Very glad that came across, haven't done much of these news style videos.
@@anthonywarren9885 At present sure, but Fire and Blood is not a novel, so things which will need to be fleshed out for a tv show haven't been. I think it would be a good idea to have some more Cregan Stark stuff to both appease Stark fans, but also so that when he plays a huge part at the end in the Hour of the Wolf it's not jarring and we already have some idea of who he is.
Boy were you wrong about Cregan being a main character lol. Would have been nice though. Always season 2!
Matt, your ability to make rational and detailed analyses keeps me coming back for more.
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON FOR LIFE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥dance of the dragons is absolutely perfect for a successor show!!!!
Eh. They couldve started with the conquest. Made hella money, and then make the dance of dragons.
I think it was a good choice to focus on the Targaryns than more of the white walkers.. a whole series about "scary monster zombies" that get easily taken out by a 17 year old girl??? PASS
A show with lots of dragons and promising huge dragon v dragon civil wars?? Yes please
It will also still be good to recognize families and names we just invested 7 seasons to be enamored with..
Dragons > Wights
Angry Joe had a great idea that they should shown that some of White Walkers's foot prints in the Land of forever Winter at the end of show.
Its almost like GRRM put together his allstar group to run the show. All hand picked and super creative. Sounds great to me
Yes! Let's see: "Targaryen"? "Age of Héroes"? Yup Dragons spark the flame for sure.
Good video ... personally, I was always way more interested in the higher mysteries, White Walkers/Others, Asshai, etc. than the human drama, so this was a bummer.
More mystical premise but there was real danger the show runner would fumble it or the fans would be confused.
Great video as usual. You have succinctly complies all the prequel hubbub and passed it on to busy ppl like me. Thanks. Keep them coming
I'll try to make them more....timely
Another amazing and intriguing video. Thank you 🐉🔥
Thank you, Matt you are always enjoyable to listen to. Fact is, I wish they would do any and all prequels just so you can make more content that I can then listen too!
There you are! ;-) like button was slammed before you even starting speaking, as always! Thanks for sharing your insight. Miss these vid's! I personally can not see myself investing years in another HBO series after they allowed that to air but still love love love the G.o.T. livestream's/world
I actually think it’s better we didn’t get a show set in the age of heroes. I just don’t think that time period is supposed to be seen, like we’re not supposed to know 100% what all went down. We’re supposed to go bye the histories that the characters read. It gives her greater sense of mystery.
A Long Night series will be better if the main series is finished. There are likely a trove of clues that will emerge to make a much better long night show in the long run. House of the Dragon has a great deal of source material which will make a stronger more coherent series.
Definite agree there. If Fire and Blood was the Age of Heroes, think we'd still get the long night even with S8 backlash.
@@JoeMagician I think fan quibbles with S8 are more about what was set up was not paid off, or was paid off backwards, and would have happened even if GRRM had published The Long Night. If D&D had a Jon vs. NK (Westoros' best living swordsman versus Holywood's best sword fighter in costume) sword fight and King's Landing had been destroyed before Arya stabbed the NK, I think fan response would have been much more positive. It probably would have at least seemed more organic that way. I don't find as much hypocrisy in S8 as others, but I get the anger.
Read Dying of the Light. 😎
Thank you for unrelling this for us. It helped me understand it clearly.
Mission accomplished!
Dragons 😊
Thank you! I love your POV
My first video of yours, will definitely be checking out more. But did I hear you DARE to call my Queen's sons "Strongs"?!! Viserys warned you, out with your tongue!
Also really glad you picked up on the high chance that it will be about the Dance only from George's blog, it's surprising and annoyed me how many of these kind of videos speculated about an anthology series of all Targaryen kings somehow missing these obvious clues.
GRRM also says in the blog post that the series will be set "a couple of centuries" before GoT (200, not 300) and that this one will have "lots of dragons" which would be true of an anthology too, but initially would only have three for the Conquest so this led me to think Dance as well as the more obvious Rogue and Princess and the Queen clues.
Great video! I do think the Blood Moon prequel was cancelled in response to season 8. They killed that spinoff in episode three. Also I don’t think most fans are willing to watch anything about ASOIAF that hasn’t been published first. I, particularly, want to know about the long night from GRRM, and him only. Fire and Blood is canon and so there is no chance that the show could ruin it for me. Anyway, HBO let the show runners kill GoT and are now paying dearly for it. They should thank the old gods and the new for this Targaryen prequel that may actually give them the chance to stay relevant after such an epic fail.
I agreed, I want to know more about Bran the Builder, but NOT from screenwriters, only from the imagination of George Martin. Fire and Blood offers a solid framework in which details can be painted in
erna minten exactly!
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slammed that like button! :-D
I get why HBO decided on house of the dragon (and it's as always so much clearer still after your fantastic analysis), but I really, really would have liked to see the age of heroes, and am not at all excited about the alternative. I guess I'm a bit disappointed in myself that I let GOT influence me so much that I am now so, so, so over anything Targaryen *sigh* Maybe I should read the books again? :-)
(but who am I kidding, I'm going to watch the new show anyway)
There’s just way more source material for the dance than there is for Age of Heroes stuff and, as we’ve seen, when the show runners are able to take more liberties the show drastically gets worse.
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Interesting analysis
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
I was looking forward to the origins of the white walkers and the age of heroes and the empire of the dawn and the bloodstone emperor.
I still would like an Age of Heroes series, eventually. I just don't want people to get bored of the political, incest sibling, war for a chair plots and the franchise gets lost.
I'm right there with you. If GRRM ever comes around to it again, he's got audience in me.
the stark's are too boring, they lack that umph that comes with targaryen's.
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GRRM clearly loves the roguish Targs.
@D D I wanted the AoHs because it's the bloody Age of Heroes and it should be a fun fantasy adventure. I couldn't care less about the Starks at this time because there are no Starks until near the end of the Age of Heroes, so they probably don't even matter until Bran the Builder forms House Stark and builds the wall, if that is indeed what he did. Needless, it probably isn't happening anyway.
The theme of the whole show was centered upon danereys getting back to the iron throne and being its rightful ruler , though 8 was total self destrusction in the books it ended with the same goals and jhon snow being revived back to life, after he gets murdered. Soo i think thats great, it trully revolves around house targeryan and its ancient kin, and house of dragons just has more lore to work with because the white walker arent as interesting or there is not enough official information to get inspired of off. having a conqueror with dragons is more exciting and know its dynasty to power is more realistic than having zombies come to life . Also they kinda resemble the walking dead so there is no point on being a competetive show when you have dragons and a whole diffrent genre to work and create with! I cant wait ! I bent thy kneee and will always remain loyal to the house of dragons
Me too, I also belive the only solution for the Long Night prequel to be reincarnated is to wait for TWOW and ADOS books to come out so that the prequel about AOH would be a prequel to the books instead of the TV Series
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Me 3. I'd like to see a Long Night show someday because The Children are intriguing but The Dance is a much safer bet for a prequel.
@Cza Tron I'm also loyal to the dragons. But the important question is which dragons; the blacks or the greens?
I definitely would not have watched any show that tried to connect itself to the way GoT ended the white walkers in the show. The Long Night could've been good as a standalone story if it addressed all the plot arcs that GoT blatantly abandoned and corrected what the show did to that storyline. But the fact that show writers would have had to make it all up without real source material would have made me skeptical regardless. I only hope HotD doesn't attempt to justify GoT's treatment of Daenerys by what happens to Rhaenyra. Nothing can redeem what D & D did to GoT.
Will the white walkers get some screen time this new series? I hope they still show up bc they def bring action and scary suspense to the show! I was excited to learn about them. I agree that S8 was terrible. Jon and the NK should have had a showdown battle and King’s Landing is where the white walkers should have been obliterated. I hate what they did to my girl Dani. She should not have became the villain. It would have been fantastic with ten episodes. The last episode was way too rushed.
Doubtful, they don't show up at all in Fire and Blood. And as far as we know, they weren't active for probably 100 years afterwards. Maybe some small hints, but I gotta imagine they're gonna steer away from that content.
As long as we get some action from Cregan Stark and The Rouge Prince I’m watching
*slaps table* HOUR OF THE WOLF
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I'm pretty happy. Long Night was an intriguing idea but I could see the high possiblity of the fans not liking it and low viewership meaning no other prequel would get made.
Dance is a much safer choice.
Possible Tuf Voyaging series too. Excellent.
I was so sad when Nightflyers was cancelled.
I'm secretly very excited for Tuf too. I love Martin's travelogue stories.
I watched this video before but since the world has come to a screeching halt I just rewatched it. I guess we will get House of the Dragons and the Winds of Winter at the same time, 2025!
We will get a Stark, Cregan Stark, comes in, fucks shit up and leaves like a boss.
I've already started chanting "Hour of the Wolf" in preparation
I hope they start with or just before Aegons invasion.
Because the targaryens are better then the starks 😄😄😄
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Wolves.
We want more wolves on TV.
always ! fire and blood !
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The only reason was that Bloodmoon didn't have anything to go off, so they would rather have book material to go off, but damn I would have loved to see Bloodmoon. A Lannister marriage with a Stark with green men priest like whatttttt. Take my money. 😅
And we get Blackfyre and Darksister he he.
I'll take dance with the dragons over the long night any day
Id rather a prequel covering roberts rebellion
The Targaryens are definitely more interesting than a dramatisation of Dying of the Light (AKA Blood Moon), but I will be gravely disappointed if the series starts with the Dance of Dragons. (It sounds like it will.) Much as I love GRRM's writing, he kind of beat that story to death retelling it in four separate books. I would love to see Maegor barbecue the Sept of Remembrance. Cersei's encore of that act was the single best thing D and D added on the show.
That's fair enough, but remember that most HBO users and GoT watchers won't have read any version of this story and it's definitely one worth sharing with them imo. I love a bit of Dance but I couldn't complain if we got some Maegor one day too! Arguably written much better than Cersei's version - it always bothered me that the Faith had no retaliation for her actions.
D&D ruined the white walkers and knight king thus destroying anything dealing with such
My theory is Jane Goldman is just a glamoured D&D. The red hair distracts you.
Considering the way D&D concluded the Targaryen dynasty by turning Daenerys mad at the turn of a heel, and exiling Jon to beyond the wall, I'm not too sure about the new series about the Targaryens. I was looking forward to Bloodmoon, and I hope it gets picked back up after the book series is finished (if it ever is, that is).
The end of the Targs wasn't great, but nor was the end of the White Walkers. Nor was the end of the whole of GoT for that matter. That's no reason a new story with different characters in a different time with different writers can't be enjoyable. Personally I'm most excited for House of the Dragon but I'd love to give any story in George's world a chance :)
If only D&D / HBO had FINISHED what they started, we wouldn't be hung out to dry with no answers.. so much build up, just to cut and run and let another show finish the job...unless it gets canceled. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
The Long night would have been amazing
Seems like it was definitely the right choice!
Melisandre's true origin
My theory is that Melisandre is actually Elissa Farman... If you know her story, she ran from Westeros and stole 3 dragon eggs and was never seen again.. except Corlys Velaryon said that her ship was last seen going to Ashai, the shadowland...
My theory is that MELISANDRE (ELISSA+ANDREW=ELISSANDREW) went to Ashai and learned the dark magic of shadows , that's why she can give birth to shadows (Stannis). After that, she went from Ashai to Essos and that's how Daenarys eggs were in Essos, those 3 dragon eggs are the dragon eggs that Elissa stole in the first place, then Elissa(Melisandre) gave herself to R'lhor and became a red priest.
That's my theory, when she had to make a new name for her she mixed Elissa and Andrew and got Melisandre.
What do you think? Trust me, search the story of Ashai, Elissa and Melisandre
The main thing I like about game of thrones is the many stories, houses, characters, and fantasy diversity. I just feel like the house of the dragon will just mainly be about targeryn, which is bad ass dont get me wrong. I just feel like it's going to be hard to be close to GOT level story wise. I could be wrong but I want multiple stories, history, lore, houses, etc
Perhaps they could make the Strongs our main characters to substitute for the Starks and keep Joe happy.
There are plenty of houses involved, don't worry! Check out this wiki page link for the list of belligerents on the right hand side (warning for major spoilers you can't avoid seeing on the wiki page if you don't know the story already though!):
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dance_of_the_Dragons
There are multiple story lines they could include too but honestly there's a lot for them to handle for the main story. I can see it being good for them to spend a bit more time with less major players to flesh out the story and have us more invested in groups from both sides, but I trust they'll find a good balance. I don't think you have to worry - the Dance is as close to GoT as anything in the world of ice and fire.
you are very wrong ! in dance there are velaryons, hightowers, starks, blackwoods, rivermen, lannisters,strongs ...
I am glad Bloodmoon got cancelled. It looked like trash 😂
Probably because it has the source material it needs.
Hope your wrong I think it would be the best spin off and they could even have kit Harrington play the character he could be reincarnated when the night kings #s get to a certain level 🪙
I would love seeing daenerys resurrected and burning all of Westeros 🔥😂 then moving to Valyria and rebuilding it lmaoo
ice zombies or dragons ?
Really.
As gutted as I was they cancelled blood moon at least we will get house if the dragon which is likely by the sound of it we gonna get the dance although personally I wud love to see an anthology seriesstarting with the Aegon conquest where we see balerion in all his dreaded glory 😂rigtt thru to Aerys 2 with the defiance of duskndahe and bobbys rebellion but whatever we get I’ll be one Haooy fan ....just Pls one thing I ask ?? NO D&D😂😂😤😤
I suspect your no Dan and Dave wish will come true
😂😂I swear by the the old gods & new if they come anywhere near it I will personally challenge them to single combat 😂😂😂
What’s that turquoise looking badge he is wearing?
I believe that's his turtle pin. Martin loves turtles.
and thank god, like what the hell was a prehistoric ice and fire story gonna be? just a dumb idea to seek to portray the age of heroes literally. goddamn show watchers.
The prequel is set in ancient Valyria
NFL commentaries with comments disabled. Fans so mean.
D&D made the Others weak asses!!!! They should to reach King Lannding
@LOTRonPrime and TWOW is all I care about. I will not be watching this series.
You sure?
Man, I don't give a shit about the Targaryens. They bore me. The Long Night would've be more interesting to me
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I'm disappointed the Long Night is abandoned, but seeing how many in the fandom only accept the written word of our Lord Grrrm, and anything else is blasphemy... I'll take what I'm given and I'm glad we're getting some prequels, even if it's more of stupid rulers destroying the country cuz they can't get along with their siblings. It's such a tired trope, but hey HBO budget sized dragons, eye porn for sure.
Ooh boy this video aged poorly.
How so?
i am happy that they cancelled the long night. it is boring. starks are boring. targaryens are the most interesting house with all their family drama. starks fan base is big because they are the good guys and have most povs in the main series.
Because the story was already written and Martin is a notorious procrastinator.