A New Double Stack 1911 to Compete with Staccato?
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- The 2011 (aka double stack 1911) market is booming. While Staccato has owned that particular segment of the market, the Jacob Grey TWC9 does present an interesting value proposition for the money. Chime in with your thoughts in the comments.
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00:00 - Meet the TWC9
01:23 - Disclosures n' things
02:03 - Ciguera Gear legit!
02:45 - Is it reliable?
08:00 - Overview of features
10:07 - What the gun does well
14:16 - How you can support 1911 Syndicate
15:27 - What DOESN'T it do well?
20:43 - And then I got petty
22:41 - Why would you consider getting one?
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The intro music makes me feel like youre putting together a crew for a heist
Lol. Maybe
@@1911syndicate The first rule of 1911 Heist Club, is that is no 1911 Heist Club.
They operate out of Utah and hit California and Vegas.
I have over 12k rounds down range with my Staccato P with zero issues. None not even a light primer strike. I do shoot quality ammunition but that is still a huge comfort to me. I have only changed the spring one time… it just runs…
I really like the way you hold Jacob Grey.
You look really good holding Jacob Grey in your hands.
You look like you're having a great time behind Jacob Grey.
That's pretty impressive how you've gotten 1000 rounds out of Jacob Grey with no lube or cleaning.
What ammo do you mostly use? I'd like to know what kinda loads Jacob Grey prefers.
Did I mention how impressed I am with how firmly you held on, despite Jacob Grey being so smooth and tight?
And please be careful, you and Jacob Grey should pace yourselves. I hope you both shoot many more mixed loads with no issues.
He likes it rough like that
Well if you scored jacob (I just had to...) grey (4 inch) B+
How much did you score the equivalent staccato?
Or should I investigate the channel history further to find out?
(Sounds like a pleasure task, as I enjoy the content, but I'm curious)
Say Jacob Grey one more time I dare you
@@johncwilliamsiii J-J-Jacob G-Grey?
Biggest mistake was price. He should have made it $500-1k less than what it's at now and he would have the market locked. No one would buy a staccato except the people that have excess money to blow.
the petty segment had me ROLLING!!!!
Thanks for the review
@1911Syndicate Great review of a weapon I have been waiting to hear more about. Something to think about......This is the very first pistol to be mass produced by Jacob Grey Firearms. It may not be perfect, by your metrics, at least. But how many first-time makers have you experienced that introduce a weapon of this quality, reliability and performance on their very first effort? Especially in a 1911/2011 format! Imagine what the next models from Jacob Grey will be like. Also, I don't know too many people in the firearms world who would balk at using a firearm with a man's name. John Moses Browning comes to mind.........Samuel Colt.......Mikhail Kalashnikov (bet nobody ever oiled him up)......you get the idea. I personally like the idea of a 100% US made, all metal double stack that maintains the grip dimensions and overall weight of a GI 1911. Especially one that runs flawlessly.
Damn the production and editing are smooth on this one
That's our boy, Cryspy Visuals!
Crispy needs a raise
I'm a lefty also, so i'm glad you brought up the whole holster problem. If i'm going to drop 2500 on a pistol, the frame needs to be stainless steel, like Bul Armory, or at least a steel frame 4140HT or 4330HT.
Also, the new Platypus uses Glock mags and is fully custom.
I would say semi custom. But I get your point
Tonight on 1911 Syndicat : Jake over indulged in nose candy, Jacob Grey is definitely not related to Bruce Gray and has a premature mag ejecting problem, and and someone went way into the wilderness to express their political opinion on Crispy's house.
😂😂😂😂
Booga Suga
I think Jacob Grey is right there. I agree with the name thing. If they had released this with a diff name, and found a way to come in at where Bul Armory is somehow they would be calling this another "staccato killer". Especially because of the lack of distribution Bul is having right now.
Agreed dude thank you for watching 👊🏼👊🏼
Good review, brother
It’s a good pistol but if could only have one it’s a staccato. Yes I have a Jacob grey and a staccato
I would take the Jacob Grey.
The grip was 100% the reason I never gave it a second look. Now that you’ve pointed out the name thing I’m not a better grip would get me to come around
Metal grip, street price sub 2500 all day, dont need a mortgage to buy extra mags, better trigger, comes with optic plates, and the warranty isnt void if you sneeze on it. Seems like staccato has serious competition.
Also it seems like people are dumping extra money in aftermarket upgrades to be fully content with their staccatos. Jacob is g2g from the box.
And greatings from France guys
Mine has just over 2k rounds. my only complaint is the beavertail blending can create hot spots in the web of the thumb.
Great channel!!
Ty brother
Excellent break down!
First heard about them when they brought out their AR. Didh't hear about the 1911 until this year's SHOT Show, where it debuted IIRC.
I'll stay with my Tisas
Thanks for the video, guys! I really, really like the gat. Great looking piece. I'd take one over the staccato just because it is different.
I had the chance to check one of these out last wek and was impressed. It is more comfortable in the hand then my Staccato to me. However I don't care for some of the design choices. Namely the big silver screw in the trigger guard. That said if you like it, it seems very solid to me.
I have known Jacob Grey for years. They make fantastic rifles. When I heard they were doing a 2011, I assumed it would be nosebleed-priced. I was shocked when I heard the price. Jeez, it is a nice pistol, and I love it. It's a real bargain! JG uses the best aerospace materials to build this; the design and synergy in the gun are perfect, and the build uses aerospace specs and tolerances. I thought I would have to change the grip, but it works just fine thank you very much. I always wanted a gun designed and built by rocket scientists-literally, rocket men.
I still haven't warmed up to 2011's. It's hard to jump ship after over 40 years of 1911's.
That said, that's not a bad looking gun, but I'm not a fan of the choice of trigger.
That would have to go but that's just personal preference and easy to change.
You mentioned it has a pretty good trigger for the price point. For $2500 it better have
a damn good trigger, not just a decent trigger... It doesn't cost much or take that much time
to do a really good 1911 trigger.
The white dial Marathon is a good look (on you). I like it.
I’m a lefty, and purchased a TWC9. Mine doesn’t fit in my holsters either. It is more accurate, and fit together better than the Staccato I have.
Sweet 🍻
Which Stacato? P XC ...?
@@carlosdaniels9515
Actually it’s a Staccato CS. I like carrying it because the safety is workable.
did they change out the mim internals?
2ALA gave a honest review and he has every 2011
Apparently they’re a new hidden gem, if you get one that runs. Seems they either do what yours did or they won’t run a full mag without problems 🤷♂️ can’t say personally but a few customers have mentioned em.
Mine runs 100% reliably! I ran about 2200 rounds of 115gr ball ammo.
Armordillo concealment lux holster fits everything.
I've shot a bunch of nice 2011's and the TWC9 is a SHOOTER, holy smokes. I do like the gun.
PS. My buddies TWC9 was breaking at around 2lbs out of the box.
…Sausage Road…. I’m dying. 😂
It's Jacob grey.... 😂
Is that like Earl Grey?
Slide and frame are in fact not billet aluminum.
The frame is aluminum the slide is steel
Grip and frame are aluminum. Slide definitely not
@1911 Syndicate I would go Stacatto only due to the lack of texture on the grip...otherwise it's a fantastic blaster.
If you shot thecTWC you would know the grip is grippy and not as slick shooting it as it looks.. feels very good actually for an EDC
I bought a tisas "Ashley" and the New tisas mac 9 ds.
I would be interested in a staccato or something "high end", but in France, it's twice the price than the us....and very few guns and differents models.
So sad
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What’s the cheapest tight hand fitted slide to frame 2011?
Based on the snow on the mountains and your jacket you did this review a few months ago?
I noticed that your pistol light moved when fired. Is that the fault of the light(SureFire?) or is the rail not to spec? Great review as always, Jake.
Broooo 4inches long and black had me dying and hopeful 😂😂😂
Jacob Gray isn't Browning. But Jacob slaps good dry or lubed up wet.
I’ve shot both and I think the new Bul Armory Tac Pro 4.25” and 5” full rail, ported versions, are far better than the Jacob Gray. You guys should check em out. They’ll make you like Turk guns
What Sitka jacket are you wearing?
What do you do with all that brass?
People like to be different, I feel like they will do alright with these.
Side note. Look closer at the the Checkmate , Tisas and staccato mags I personally cab not tell the difference between then other then marking and base pads. Rumor has it checkmate makes Staccato's mag for them
Sweet gun id get that over a stacato
I have a Bul Armory Tac 5" and a steel framed Staccato P, and names aside, if they made this gun with a steel frame, and a more aggressive grip texture I think, for me, it would be a super attractive option to get a aluminum gripped 2011 for sub $3k.
Out of those 2 which one you think is better? Or do they serve 2 different roles or niches
@@dangelothompson3649 they're both great guns, but for me they serve two different roles. The bul is my range gun, the staccato is my edc. I was carrying the bul armory for several months, but the trigger on mine breaks at about 2.3ish lbs, which is awesome for a stock gun, but a little light for carrying imo. My staccato is a little more reasonable to carry at about 3.5 lbs, and the chopped beaver tail is more comfortable as well. Plus I wanted to put an Aimpoint Acro on it, which wasn't an option for my Bul Armory since it's RMR only. Overall I don't think you can go wrong with either pistol though.
I would love to see a review of the oracle arms 2311. A 2011 that takes 320 mags yes please.
Love your content, went to purchase one today and in handling the gun safety was not fitted well actually it was loose on one side not cool for a $2,500 gun.
My only gripe is a cosmetic one. Full length dust cover with a conventional machined slide profile just looks "OFF" to me. Monolithic slides give a much nicer profile ro the appearance of the firearm.
If it runs, it runs, if its accurate and reliably functioning its a decent piece.
The name reason I totally get. I always thought Kimber was a stupid name for a firearm and couldn't bring myself to buy one.
Went to a local shop to pick up the new staccato C, saw this gun on their display counter. I held it and it was interesting, but I didn't like the grip, don't know who Jacob Grey is, and I wasn't a fan of the overall look. I left with the Staccato. It's cool to see other companies come into the 2011 game though, and I am sure there will be some die hards soon.
I can't finish watching this video the background music is making me feel like I'm insane
I'd love to see you get your hands on a Cosaint Arms gun so there can be a reliable review that isn't coming from people I like to call "neo-fudds".
I fully agree. I bought a COS11 from one of my LGS and it was woefully out of spec, wish I had some more honest reviews to watch or read as it would have saved me time and money, as the pistol is currently there for warranty work, with no timeline of completion of the rework given…
@@notkimjongun2283 very unusual! My experience with Cosaint Arms has been amazing.. one of my favorite brands these days. My COS11 ‘s have been great shooters.. I optioned mine up and had built . Normal warranty turn around is about 2 weeks. I am sure your pistol will come back and be a great shooter..
The ambi thumb safety could have been an after thought. So the tolerance may be alil loose.
Awesomeness ⚡️⚡️⚡️
I'd give Jacob Grey a shot 🤷♂
Contains mim parts and uses a custom frame (basically stuck with proprietary grip) and nitrided finish
Vs staccato
Better quality internals, standard frame and DLC
I like it, but it does need more texture on the grip
Now Coke is Coke... Sprite is a Coke, Nehi Orange is a Coke. Diet Coke is not Coke. I like the review. as always you make me laugh at some point. Stacatto or Jacob Grey? Or Jacob Grey or Nighthawk TRS? Or Stacatto or Nighthawk TRS? Just one more. Jacob Grey or Tisas? I handled a couple in Dallas. I like the feel of the Jacob Grey in hand... WAIT! The weight.. Oh never mind. I could have sworn One was an all steel frame. It was a tad heavier. The aesthetics of the machining is pleasing to the eye. Dry firing, it has a nice trigger. Now a torture test would be fascinating.
Am I the only one who heard him say billet aluminum slide... That can't be right?
I heard it.
slide is 416 stainless, frame is 7075 billet aluminum. slip of the tongue I guess
I'd be interested to hear how this compares to the Quantico HiCap. I only say that since you were saying it was priced 2.5k but might be a 3.5k gun.
You pump pretty hot loads through Jacob grey or just powder puff loads?
Hot loads for sure
Sausage RD is what really had me rolling! 4" and black 😂😂😂
I now feel bad for Jacob
Lol
Tisas mags are checkmate mags
Oh Lordy… 50 shades of petty 😂 That was a good laugh. Sausage Road 🤔🤣
Lol
😂😂😂
Oh Jacob! You really keyholed that A zone so good..😂 Gun is ruined for me even if it was amazing.
Would be more appealing with a steel frame, unless you are using as a carry piece
Are grip panels available?
There aren’t any grip panels on this pistol. I put 3m grip tape on mine!
They aren't unknown.... Lesser known, for sure.
My question is how long will it go with zero malfunctions uncleaned? Yea I know "clean my guns" I do but I like knowing it will work clean or dirty
Time will tell and yeah maintenance is important but I also like to know how long something will go before some hiccups
Mine has 1500 rounds so far.. no cleaning yet. Just Oiled it before 1st range day and again about 1/2 way through the 1st 1000 rounds.. I will clean it before my next range day with it.. 1500 rounds is good enough data for me.. GTG ! I like this little Commander!
@@VenableRacing yea that seems very good
Tells you what brand to buy because it is the one everything else compare against.
Agreed similar to how Glock is the baseline for alot of striker fire polymer guns
Bul armory for the win
When’s the Apollo 11 review coming out?
Nothing planned yet
Left hand shooter, shot group trending low right.
4” and black!! 😂 Nice watch.
Sausage Road. 🤣🤣I hear ya on the name, BUT, Dan Wesson puts his name all over his firearms too and no one complains.
I might if I ever review one haha
Staccato Staccato Staccato, blah blah blah.
The Staccato is a Gateway drug. It is a a solid choice but I like variety. I had never had a 1911/2011 until I bought a Staccato P last year. Now I own five. Four double stacks and one single.
I am the type that would buy this because I already have a Staccato but Jacob might make a good side chick, or dude or gun or whatever.
What footprint is the 3rd plate?
Irons. RMR. RMSc
I handled two different ones and they were not even as nice as the Prodigy. Trigger was mediocre and the safety was very mushy. Haven’t shot one but from handling the two I have no desire to.
On fixed income can't afford that I'll have to do Springfield or tisas
stick to striker fired guns and more importantly, spend your money on ammo/training over buying more guns
Don't worry. I'll be ok.
Samuel Colt made them equal. Just call the gun Gray
Not a bad point or name
i was sold at "sausage road"
For 20 minutes at a time?
I'm a poor. I got a grand what ds 1911 should i get for my first 2011
J,
Who makes that jacket??
Every time I see this Gun with its unusual and odd front double cut matching both slide adn frame, it makes think it needs the Flying Tigers teeth murail in its maw. ;
Tisas 2011 mags are made by checkmate
Oh wow a couple thousand dollar gun that actually comes with a Fcking optic plate? That alone makes me wanna buy instead of these other bastards that make you hassle to get a DAMN OPTIC PLATE!!! drives me crazy.
It looks like it has a hard recoil impulse.
It’s not. What you see on camera often doesn’t translate to the in person experience
22:17 Jacob Gray had a premature ejection.
Hahahaha
Idk my prodigy has been excellent for me 1500 rds I would go to battle with it I completely trust it and I didn't have to sale one of my kidneys to buy it come on 3k most people can't afford that.
🤘 😁 🤘
I like it
I gotta say at that pricepoint that the amount of safety play seems absurd
I’ve seen play on thumb safeties plenty of times. This one wasn’t great though
I wonder how this would compare to a bul armory tac pro
🤷🏼♂️
The most obvious comparison is the Jacob Grey in made in America and the BUL is made by people that ruin America.
SMART ON POINT REVIEW 👉 JUST DO IT
It's a cool gun, but im sticking with Mandy 😂
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